where she was going to end up. she gave an interview not too long ago, the interviewer asked her, if you could say anything to maurizio today what would you say? and she said forgive me. >> sheree loud isn't thinking about forgiveness. she worries more about the man patrizia had killed being forgotten. to her, maurizio good she's a sensational murder has come to overshadow the man she knew and loved. a visionary whose loss deprived the world of inspiration and beauty. >> he was a dreamer and i felt blessed to know a soul like his. he was a very special person. regardless of the name, the money, the fame, the drama. he was just a pure love. it was a shame, it's a sad story.

>> it's not like some scary movie, this really happened. >> i remember falling on my knees. >> you just think, i want to live. i have to do something. >> it was a miracle they lived through it. just two frightened kids. a night of terror, knocked on the door. >> he pulled out a 3:57 and said, move over. here >> a living pastor's family become targets. >> i heard the first shot go off and i said, i love, you i love you dad. >> they were the only ones who survived. and no one knew then how long justice would take or what it would cost. were you frightened, terrified that they would come back and it up? >> absolutely. >> a chilling man hunt, a young survivor, driven to become a state senator. >> he was very, very passionate. >> what they ever come out the dark? >> i always get a little emotional and can't believe it's [inaudible]

>> 30 years later, an answer. >> the power of forgiveness. this is what my dad and my mom taught me. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> in his 40s and married again, he started fresh, here in the beach, in malibu. it was time, finally to put it to rest. ali use hollywood to release those demons, get that in the rearview mirror. >> i look back and it was just building this coat of armor. and that was killing me and it was killing my marriages, my friendships. it was protecting me but it was keeping me away from people that i loved. ali >> after all, what else but

a movie could make sense of it? but those people did to him. and then what came of it? you couldn't make up. and the movie, it turned out to be a decades-long saga of crime and punishment retribution and forgiveness. perhaps it was too unbelievable not to be true. though backward happen. back east along the old route 66 for its next through oklahoma. where his sister lived with demons of her own. a warning. >> it was really true. it's not like some scary movie that you watch on tv or csi or whatever show it is you're watching. this really happened. >> it all did. the unspeakable crimes, the strange painful past toward punishment and then could there ever be forgiveness? god knows that's what the father demanded. >> god knows all about us, there's not a secret crevice of

our heart that he's not fully aware of. >> but could the sun obey? >> god never expects of us that which we cannot lose. god never demands of us what he does not empower. >> imagine now that it's 1979 in a little place called okarche, oklahoma -- before it happened. >> okarche is a small community and pretty quiet, peaceful little town. >> and to be frank, the douglass's didn't quite live in okarche proper. they preferred a medicinal plays way out by itself miles beyond the street lights. a little detail with keeping in mind later. but mention the douglass name back in 79, and this would be the location people will be apt to think of. the patino city baptist ridge of oklahoma city. where the reverent richard douglas and family had established a remarkable

reputation. >> richard douglass was one of the most influential baptist pastors in oklahoma. at the time, he was a pastor of over 3000 member church. >> everyone wanted to associate with them. the pastor's daughter, leslie -- >> we became the people who we are because my parents were so strong. we lived a life that he would want us to live and learn the lessons he wanted us to know. >> and the fact that reverend mr. douglass was a man of some heft in the baptist church seemed somewhat secondary to his nature. kindly, approachable, principled. >> if he wasn't at the church, he was visiting people and helping them work out their problems all the time. >> pastor douglas preached his first tournament at 16. and once he had grown into a husband and father, took his family all the way down to the jungles of brazil where he and

they spent their happiest years in a missionary outpost. ♪ ♪ ♪ it was for leslie and her big brother unlike anything they would ever know again. magic time. >> we grew up in a city called mullin which is right on the mouth of the amazon. so it's where the atlantic meets the amazon river. and it finally occurred to me why i liked being near the water so much and that's where i grew up. and i traveled with my dad. >> so they were close as close as a family on its own in such a place as this could possibly be. and accomplished. maryland douglass could have -- could've done all kinds of things. >> she was a straight a student and i just saw her being so smart and successful and what it was she wanted to do. >> and what she wanted to do more than anything else was

raise brooks and leslie. you could see their faces still? >> oh yes. and i can hear my mom singing. >> she did once. every week a church. and at home where she's so the outfits leslie war to compete in misty in oklahoma. >> i was the one who spent time with my mom whether it be singing or her making me a new dress for a pageant. >> so autumn, 79. 16-year-old brooks was an advance football playing a senior in high school. but -- doberman pincher dogs. leslie, a pretty 12 year old, was in middle school. that was busy and all over oklahoma, a chaplain at the state house visit of prisoners at mccollister penitentiary and packing them in at putnam peptides. for the pastor and his wife, charity began at home. >> their door was always open. and really truly cared about people and where they were, and

how they could help them. and how they could serve people. >> it was that generosity and openness that many years later, brooks would honor and his movie about his parents. and about that haunting night. it was up to her 15th on monday, everybody at home. >> everybody was in the kitchen. fixing dinner. leslie was in the kitchen with her. >> it was brooks who answered the knock at the door. people called and all the time at the pastures house. this one he didn't recognize. a bearded stranger who wanted a favor. and no one felt the evil then. as it entered the house. >> the first thing i remember is raising my hands is it always happens together. guy never happens to you. [inaudible] >> coming up. suddenly, just before dinner, terror. >> he pulled out a 3:57 headed

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moment later, he bent down, reached behind his back, and the awful business began. >> he pulled out a 3:57, had it in my face and he said, you know what it's all about, move over here. >> a second man own with a double barreled shotgun step through the door. it was a robbery, the man said. >> i took my wallet, i only had 43 bucks and i handed to him. that's all you got? that's all you? got yeah. and he went through my mom's prayers and he asked my mom if we had any rope. >> they pointed their guns, heard of the family together, hog-tied them. >> he told us all to lie down on the living room floor. face down. and they tied me up with our hands and feet behind our back. >> one stood guard with a shotgun. the other ransacked the house, pulled the phones from the wall. then the man with the pistol return to the living room. and he looked at pretty 12 year

old leslie. and now the character of the attack changed. >> he got leslie and he said i want you to show me where all the other phones are and where your hiding places for money. our and she said we don't have hiding place for many. so even if ransom. and so he put his gun in the back of her head and walked around the house. and then i heard him look back into leslie's room and i heard her start crying and saying no. no, no. >> you knew what was going? on >> my mom, of course was lying next to me and she was just so sobbing and i said, mom, when leslie's gonna be okay. we're gonna be okay. we're all going to be okay. >> brooks and his parents lay in the living room floor, hog-tied. and they listened. helpless as each man took his turn. as each one raped leslie. >> they brought leslie, and

tied her up, hands and feet behind or back like the rest of us were. >> i remember that night just thinking you've got to remember this, you've got to remember this, if you've got to remember this. >> the two gunmen help themselves to the meal bearer landed cooking on the stove. >> they sat down and at our table and ate our dinner. >> then the terrifying round of bargaining began. >> they went back and forth about what they were going to do. at one point, he had said if you'll give us four hours before you go to the police, then we won't shoot you. and we said, of course, spoke of you for hours. >> then, two hours into the ordeal. the family heard the leader, the one with the pistol, issue an order. >> go outside, start the car, turn it around, and listen for the sound. >> was it pretty clear to you, listen for the sound meant -- >> that's what i took it to mean. was that he was gonna shoot us. >> and at that point it came home to you that it was gonna happen? >> i don't think i believed we

were actually gonna be shot. what have we done? law >> and all they could do than was wait and pray. >> i remember him walking around over my head and saying, well i don't have to shoot you all live but -- then i heard the shot go off and i felt it hit me. and then i hear another shot went off and my mom screamed and then there was two other shots and then two more. and then i heard him run to the door and go out. >> shot twice in the back. brooks shamet on his stomach towards his parents. >> i went over to my mom and on tying her ropes with my teeth. i was trying to get a hold of her and said, i love you mom, i love you dad. >> they heard that? >> my dad was like love you too, get me untied. and he said we -- get your mother untied. and i said dad, i'm trying. i said mom, your loose. you're ropes or lose. untie me, untie me. and she looked at me and she

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>> we were taken to a house that was tied to the church in a neighborhood. people were wearing masks. leslie and i came out of her skin. the highway patrolman actually had his weapon drawn. he was telling me you don't want to be here. that was a scary moment. >> out at the hospital, orphaned >>, the finality of their loss sank in all the way. >> the hardest thing was the cemetery. i remember walking towards the gravesite, it was just dirt with a grave marker, with both their names on it. that was the first moment that it was real to me that they were gone. i felt like everything that was in me at that moment just fell

out, and i remember falling on my knees and just thinking it was senseless. >> having survived the deadly attack , having lost their parents, having suffered an arduous recovery, look and leslie were home and all of the family possessions were nd auctioned off to pay medical bills. so began repercussions neither they nor anyone else imagine. a hunting that would go on for decades. first, the siblings who kept each other alive through crisis and recovery were separated. leslie moved in with relatives in another town and started a school. brooks, just a turn shy of my high school graduation stayed with church members so he couldb finish school. >> at the end of the day, i was

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stephen and glenn were on the run. the day after the murders, they called family and learns that lawmen were on their trail. >> they ended up in arkansas that morning. >> still in the yellow malibu? >> yes. they walked to the bus station.>> eventually police managed to track down the yellow getaway car. they were long gone and had hopped a bus to memphis.

>> they were drinking heavily. they lost about $1000 while they were in the motel as a result of the cabbie bringing hookers to their room. >> and for after memphis, they wandered around southern louisiana looking for work. they found jobs in a carnival, and took up with a young woman named virginia witt - - her name was virginia junior keith. >> they were just about broke. except for a credit card stolen from mrs. douglas. by early november, three weeks after the douglas murders, they caught a bus as far as their remaining funding would take them. that was lumberton, texas.

>> they arrived on a continental trailways bus. they got the bus to stop right out in front of the house. they went and broke into the house. the two men did. virginia stayed out in the woods. they were going to wait until somebody came home. >> a homeowner returned, a friend along with him. they were waiting with a sawed- off shotgun. the sheriff found some signs of a struggle, otherwise the crime scene was a carbon copy of the douglas murders. >> they had been tied with the ropes, feet and hands bound behind their backs. they had hoods over their heads, both of them had been shot execution style. >> they didn't connect the cases right away. but they did have something to go on. the homeowners had a missing

vehicle. >> we were able to put out a national bulletin for that vehicle. >> they squeezed into the stolen car and headed west. they had little cash, a credit card stolen in the texas murders, and marilyn douglas is visa. they doubled back east to wyoming. they looked for oilfield work. the murderous road trip was about to come to an end. in downtown wyoming, one of them got drunk and started slapping ginger around. she had enough. at her first opportunity, she spilled her guts to the guard barkeep. the bar owner alerted the police. by then, hatches get to colorado. >> deputies found out that the car was associated with hatch, and they were wanted for murders in oklahoma and texas.

we try to pursue the car. we had old pickup trucks or patrol vehicles and these guys got away real quick. >> they lost the lawmen. aware of how dangerous the two were, the searchers scoured the county. >> we gave chase and the car got away. it disappeared 25 miles north of town. >> they gave the clock the - - they gave the cops the slip. they were desperate as cornered animals. they invaded a ranch house outside craig, colorado. >> they got the car stuck in the driveway leading up to his house. they went out of the car, went to his house, forced their way in, armed, of course, and took him hostage. >> here's how hatch convinced the rancher they meant business. >> he had a dog, he called it

his three-legged dog. the dog went to jump up on the bed and one of the guys shot and killed the dog. they told him that if he didn't do exactly as they said, he would be next.>> after the bloody warning, the ranchers stalled for time. >> he got them to drink a lot of beer, and when they went to sleep or passed out, he got away from them. his quick thinking and the way that he handled himself in that situation absolutely saved his life. >> the rancher met with the sheriff. >> we showed him the pictures, he instantly identified them as the two people who had taken him hostage before. >> the rancher warned the lawmen that hatch had an access to an arsenal. firearm and ammunition that he had brought, they were very, very well armed. there were close to 30 different firearms and thousands of rounds of ammunition. >> early the next morning,

nearly 1 dozen lawmen stormed the ranch house. >> wide right as we were driving up to the house, we saw the two men jumped from a window in the house and run, and they ran two different directions. they were both armed. >> a deputy fired a warning shot over his head. >> he tripped over the irrigation ditch and fell down. we all thought we had in fact hit that guy, we would have killed him, but not a scratch. >> he had surrendered without firing a shot. they were taken to the county jail. when belongings were inventoried, the esa each had less than a dollar in change, a credit card, and a pair of wedding rings. arrested at last. was the long nightmare over?

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wanted for questioning for additional murders in texas and had been captured in colorado after another home invasion. they reached bill james at the courthouse. it was the call they were waiting for. >> we prepared the extradition papers. >> why the hurry? why the rush? >> remember, the fugitives had committed a double murder in texas. the oklahoma residents were determined, they wanted the first crack. they had to get there before some lawmen from texas beat them to it. the news of the capture was a huge relief to brooks and leslie douglas. now the race to bring back hatch. the sheriff flew by charter to colorado. >> it was about 230 : that we landed at will rogers airport here in oklahoma city, and then

took him by car back. >> and then anything that almost never happens. on the way back to oklahoma, hatch told the lawmen they wanted to make a statement. >> we had a semblance of thanksgiving that day, and thanks giving evening the sheriff's office came through. >> they locked up hatch in this old building. they kept the other man in a more secure facility just on the block. sheriff deputies collected the two of them and took them around the corner and down to the sheriff's office so they could deliver confessions they seem so eager to make, and so they did. apparently, without any remorse or emotion, first hatch and the other men calmly described their activities on that murderous night.

>> the dog was barking at me. i walked out the door and drove off, and drove off. steve asked me what i had done, and i said i'd never done anything like that. >> they told us they didn't do that kind of stuff, in their words, unless they were drunk, and they had been drinking heavily the day that this happened, october 15. >> taking drugs as well? >> yes. they mentioned speed and cocaine that they had taken. >> he made it clear in his statement that he was the shooter, he was in charge.

>> why did hatch go along with him? >> hatch is a follower. ache said i was the strong one, i made all the decisions. >> big dog, little dog. >> he told the sheriff that he alone was the trigger man, not only in the douglas killings, but in texas as well.>> the other incident, the shooting of those fellows in texas. did he tell you why he pulled the trigger then? >> he said that he had to do it, because steve hatch was just too weak to do it. >> afraid to pull the trigger? >> yes. >> did either one of them express any remorse? >> the only remorse was one of them said they want the death

penalty. >> i want the death penalty, and i want injection as soon as possible. i want to see my parents and my nephew, then i want to get executed.>> for brooks and leslie douglas, the capture of the killers appeared to put an end to the ordeal. >> did you have any idea how much you still had to go through even though they cut him?>> no. i had no idea. so you figured you were probably done at that point. >> yes. >> naove. >> yes. >> brooks and leslie douglas had healed physically enough to return to school. now shellshocked after the murder of their parents, they struggled. any semblance of normalcy was forever lost to them.

leslie had moved to another town. brooks was still in the old neighborhood near his high school. they still had no idea that oklahoma winter that the legal trials of the men who killed their parents were about to begin and would become their own decades long tribulation. despite their long and detailed confessions, the pleaded not guilty to charges of the rev. and his wife, and shooting the douglas children. stephen hatch was tried first, at the canadian county courthouse. >> hatch was the follower, he's the one that picked it up that night, he wanted to commit another crime. he's the one who created the second crime. >> the state of oklahoma look to have an ironclad case against him. most important, of course, the harrowing stories of the

eyewitnesses and survivors. and the thanksgiving statements, those confessions. the state also had ballistic evidence linking linking them to the murders, and the testimony of their traveling companion on the run. they testified that he told her about killing the douglas family . >> we had to surviving witnesses. we were able to identify them, we somewhat kept it simple. >> simple? for the judge hearing the case, maybe, but certainly not for those surviving witnesses. brooks had already testified once in the preliminary hearing. both he and his sister would have to relive it all for the trial. 13-year-old leslie douglas came to the trial. >> how did the kids do on the stand? >> they both did well.

>> they stood up. so we tried them in one day. one witness after another. >> the hedge case took three days of the courts time. hatch testified in his own defense. he was convicted, and sentenced to death. the trial in early summer did not take much longer. but in the courtroom, they kept him under heavy guard. both all, unpredictable. >> he was a mean person.>> they testified for two hours about his inks giving confession, then came the star witnesses for the prosecution, brooks and leslie, teenage siblings who were about to revisit most traumatic light night of their lives. >> coming up, face to face with the gunmen. >> i had to pretend like i was somebody else. >> they find the courage to speak, when dateline continues.

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>> glenn was on trial for the murders of richard douglas and his wife marilyn. the cold-blooded executions were witnessed by the douglas children. now brooks and leslie would have to relive the horrific details of that night, from the stand. they both calmly identified glenn as the man who shot the men murdered their parents. >> did you watch the testimony? >> yes. brooks was very strong in his testimony. leslie was as well, but it bothered her more than it did bother brooks to testify. >> i had to pretend like i was somebody else just telling a story of what happened, it's kind of like the night it happened, and i had to remember all of this.>> that promise that leslie douglas made to herself tonight that her

parents were killed, not to forget anything, that's what carried her through. >> i don't know why, i just believed i had to remember every detail. when it was time to be on the stand, i knew everything that i said was important. i had to be specific, and remember. i don't know what got in my head. i just had to remove all emotional attachment. >> the jury needed just two hours to make up its mind. glenn was convicted. he was sentenced to 1000 years for shooting the douglas children, and as for the murder of their parents? >> we are sworn to try the issues and heretofore have found the defendant guilty of murder in the first degree, his

punishment, death. >> end of the road. or so they present. glenn was escorted to the penitentiary, and death row. >> he was taken to be processed by the department of corrections. when we got out of the car, i told him glenn, this is the last time i will see you until i come back to see you die.>> with this monstrous chapter of their lives apparently over, leslie and brooks began to thrive. leslie, living in a new town with her mother's family, a stellar high school student, a cheerleader, college-bound. >> how did you going to do all of the things that you did, like any regular teenage person? >> my mom said if anything ever happens to him, she wanted me to be strong and move on with

my life. i remember crying and saying mom, why are you saying that? nothing's ever going to happen to you. i think it was just one of those things that i had in the back of my mind, and it helped me to push through things. >> through those first trials and in the years immediately after, brooks also felt his parents were somehow still with him.>> at least during the first couple years, even now, especially, i could hear them, i could hear their voices as i was making decisions or doing things. i felt like they were still with me. it wasn't until years later someone said you are an orphan. >> he was. and life begin to spend in a strange direction beyond his control. it began to look like his parents killers might escape

justice after all. >> i felt the bullet hit me, i heard my mother scream. >> brooks and leslie returned to the courtroom. >> i screamed and he shot me again. >> this time the outcome will be very different.>> i remember when the verdicts were read, there was an audible gasp. >> that when dateline continues. that when d ateline continues. ♪ ...i'm over 45. ♪ ♪ i realize i'm no spring chicken. ♪ ♪ i know what's right for me. ♪ ♪ i've got a plan to which i'm sticking. ♪ ♪ my doc wrote me the script. ♪

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word for those years after brooks headed off to college. >> i went to six or seven different universities. i called it my road scholar days. i would go for eight weeks, get kicked out or leave and drive down the road to the next school and i would only be there for six or eight weeks. i was having a hard time. i had a hard time focusing. >> legal development over the next few years didn't make it any easier. the appeals of the two men can do the killing brooks parents seemed to be drifting, deflected, scattered and confusing. a supreme court ruling on the death lt led to hatches death sentence being vacated twice, and therefore, more uncertainty for the douglas kids, more legal hearings. >> this case doesn't fit the aggravating circumstances. i

can't imagine a case that would. >> is sentence reinstated, hatch went back to death row, and glenn, the trigger man had been filing appeals from a nearby cell. in february 1985, six years after the douglas's were murdered, the united states supreme court ruled that he deserved a new trial. prosecutors failed to provide a psychiatrist, at state expense. kathy was the da. >> i contacted brooks and leslie and indicated that we would have to retry glenn. they thought this would never end. >> that was exactly their reaction. once again they opened psychic and emotional wounds for inspection by the courts. >> this is the thing that is so remarkable, that you are able to go there again and again, in

places that are daunting and difficult, and yet you clearly feel that same emotional turmoil every time it comes up. >> i do. >> you are feeling it all again>> you think 31 years later it would different. i get emotional and start remembering and think i can't believe it has been this long. >> as the second trial began in february 19 v6, the lawyer laid out the defenses case. >> not guilty by the reason of insanity. that would maintain that defense throughout the trial. >> after six years in maximum security, glenn was nearly unrecognizable. sheriff lynn stedman was in charge of security. >> he did not make a sound during the trial. he let his hair grow long. he sat there with his head

down, looking at the table the entire trial. >> what jurors heard from other witnesses, despite the passage of time, details of the crime remained chilling. >> douglas was again laying on his back. his feet were also tied together. >> glenn never took the stand and never said a word to his lawyers, the jury heard his wings giving statement. >> who did you shoot first? >> the man. the son, the daughter, the mom, the man again. i think i shot the boy twice. >> then came the eyewitnesses to that night, leslie douglas now 20 years old, a college student, she calmly splinted all to the jury. >> i heard two more shots, then another shot, i screamed, he

shot me again. i heard him run out the door. >> i was amazed by her courage. she had to go back there, in her mind. she had to tell them exactly what happened. she did not falter.>> she was rocksolid. >> yes. >> brooks douglas was not spared . >> i felt a bullet hit me, another went off, and my mother screamed. >> the core of the defense case was the testimony of psychiatrists, three of them. >> do you believe he was insane ? >> yes sir. >> he did not know right from wrong. >> throughout it all in court, glenn burton remained silent. he presented himself more like a mental patient than a convicted murderer.

sheriff stedman watched and decided they had to be a ploy. he was feigning insanity. >> it took five years or so to come up with this act. >> the jury came back and sentenced him to life for each of the murders, and 200 years

each for the shootings. >> wait a minute, stephen hatch did not fire a weapon. he faced execution. the trigger man got life brooks was floored. >> i heard the decision read. what was going through my mind was that i could just see my parents dying and knowing that they would never be avenged. they died, but this person took their lives, and yet he's going to allow to continue living and at our expense. >> after all this time, all the suffering, his parents, his, his sisters, glenn had cheated the fusion are. sheriff deputies escorted glenn

beck to a prison cell. there they were, standing feet apart. brooks looked at glenn ake, something in him snapped. he saw the deputy passing by, his revolver tantalizingly close, and in that moment, brooks douglas contemplated murder. he reached for the officers weapon. >> you saw him being led somewhere. there was a deputy with a gun. by chance, i walked out and he came out in front of me. it was kathy who grabbed my arm. >> she saw what you wanted to do. >> yes. >> might have done it. >> i might have done it. >> two can play that game. >> that crime had been allowed to you after all. yes. >> brooks knew that he couldn't have done it, even if the prosecutor had not stayed his

hand. he told us he went back to the night he was shot and bleeding. >> why did i get off the floor? did i get off that sword to go kill a man? no. would that be what my parents wanted for me? i'd have been much better off to have died that night. i needed to live my life and i would never be able to do that as long as i was holding that.>> at that moment, he could have no idea that this was not the last time he had encountered the man who killed his parents. they were dozens to meet again. coming up, a confrontation with a killer. >> what did you see in him? >> powerful emotions. long buried demons. >> this was supposed to be over. >> when dateline continues. . >> when dateline continues.

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>> this person hid, fell apart, and goes through all this kind of stuff. i wanted to make something of myself. she's not ever going to get to college. i went to college and got a masters degree. i don't like people telling me i can't publish things or do things. i'm not going to allow everything that's happened affect my whole life. >> brooks finally struggled through college.

she went to law school, and got married. they put their lives on hold to unpack their awful memories for trials, appeals, parole and clemency hearings. >> is soon as i would hear that i needed to testify again, it was a month leading up to it. plain old fear. >> in 1990, 11 years later, brooks decided almost on a whim to run for the oklahoma state senate. >> was at that frustration with the system that made you decide to get involved in politics? >> i remember feeling helpless, and looking for what are ways i

could begin to gain a little control over what was happening to me. >> did it seem ludicrous? >> i felt oblivious. >> you didn't know what was impossible? >> nobody told me i couldn't do it.>> he won. it was an upset. at 27, it made him the youngest senator in oklahoma history. a tv reporter covering the capital became a close friend. >> his teenage years were tough. he struggled for a long time. but he was starting to get the pieces back together.>> i think that at that point, he was ready to start moving forward with his life. you could see a transformation.>> later gov. brad henry. >> was natural that we graduated - - gravitated toward one another.

he is a republican and i'm a democrat. we just became very good friends. >> it was in his second year when brooks found it close to his heart. >> that was the core experience of his life. >> the jury never heard one word. we were not considering how brutal that crime was. this person took another individuals life. >> the movement was in its infancy then. he met resistance from judges and prosecutors. >> he was very, very passionate and focused.

who could argue with him? nobody in the senate or the house. no >> a revelation. not a happy one. for all he had accomplished and overcome, the brief, the flirt and the fury, the can fusion, it wasn't enough. perhaps it was his long dead father still whispering here. he sent himself on the slate of tour of oklahoma in mcallister. the trigger man in his parents murder. stephen hatch waiting out his final days on death row.

>> at first brooks was afraid he might run into him behind the wall of the penitentiary. he was nervous about that. then something started gnawing at him and eventually he realized what he had to do. he had to confront the murdered his parents, the man he contemplated killing outside that courtroom years before. >> you went to see the warden? senator does have its perks. the warden sent a note to the prisoner. much to everyone's amenities amazement, glenn agreed to a meeting. it was february 1985. brooks douglas found himself sitting across the table from the man who murdered his parents. and shot him, and his sister. >> you wanted nothing more than to see your dad. >> i still wanted it.

hearing myself say that was very, very strange. >> you had to confront that you just said that to this man. you wanted him dead. >> i wanted him dead.>> by saying it? assume something clicked inside. - - >> something clicked inside. what i really wanted was for it to be over.much is dominating my life.er.much is dominating >> it's not what they wanted to do, they found himself sitting face to face, with his parents killer. and now, the world's came out. he realized, he meant them, completely, and he forgave glenn ache. inside them, they said it was

almost physical. >> now, you are the one in the position for having to feel the unbelievable. and you are confronted in the same time. your desire to see these that voted in the president. what action did you see in him? >> he was completely remorseful, which surprise, me right off the bat. when that moment came, he was trying to wipe away tears. >> brooks confided in his friends. >> he calls me after the meeting. i said how, did it go? and said, i forgave him. there was silence on the phone for a minute. my job is on the floor. >> the things that purged this is forgiveness of watching it go forward. he really couldn't explain. i think he surprised himself.

he actually would, affirmatively, forgive his parents murder. i think, because of the teachings of his father, and his mother, it could be able to define that forgiveness, somehow, and i think it has been a tremendous, tremendous load in the shoulders. >> her reaction was a little more muted. >> he had told me about meeting with him, and him for giving him, and we having a hard time understanding it. >> is forgiving part of moving on? part of getting past it? >> i think it is. i think they had forgiven, you can forget, but it just doesn't change in circumstances sometimes. >> there is a difference between forgiveness, and forgetting. along with brooks, and

resolutely douglas, was some unfinished news with stephen hash. not the trigger, man no, but to a murderer, yes. >> coming up -- >> i was trying to sleep, i was afraid that someone was coming to get me. >> a new part of the story, after all of these years. when dateline continues. when dateline continues. [coughing] hi, susan. honey. yeah. i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad. try this robitussin honey. the real honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash?

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having them testify against them, one last time. hatch, pleading for his life. >> i am sorry for the pain that the children feel, with leslie douglas, and how they continue to feel. i can say sorry for the rest of time, and it would not be enough. i could die 100 times, and it would never be enough for what had happened. >> and then, testimony is bringing back all of the horror. >> i found out from the clemency hearing that i was not aware of, and it kind of shattered my world. >> it happened with the very beginning, when the state brought the murder charges in the first place. they chose not to put leslie through the additional trauma of testifying about it. after all they could prove murder easily. and leslie, new not in all those years, that the killers denied raping her all along.

then, batches clemency hearing, with his life on the line, he stuck to his story that he had not sexually assaulted her. >> they had denied raping me. so, i think, right then, it really just threw me for a loop. i was only supposed to talk for 30 seconds, ended up being three or four minutes. i was just so upset. i remembered every minute of it like it was happening, right then. >> not only did i have nightmares, i was afraid to go into restrooms. i was afraid of sleep at night. i heard noises that would wake me because i was afraid that somebody was coming to get me. not only did i never go to my parents funeral, i could not mourn that they had died. >> still, after all of these ears, they seemed like there was no remorse. >> not only denying this, but calling you a liar? >> right.

i said, i couldn't see where this was, and that this happened, but there is no thought >> the clemency appeal was denied. august, 1996, lexi, and brooks spoke, luster from oklahoma city and to witness stephen hashes death. >> all of the supreme court had denied to proceed with the execution shortly after midnight. >> they need to witness the execution of a murder, the only reason why they could do so as well, with legislation that they helped pass that here. >> the night of the execution, and they give them an option of taking the last statement. didn't say anything. >> right, that just left me kind of numb. kind of stunned. wow. isn't that what we all want to

do? it has changed the things that we've done and life that we regret? to go back, to do those things, and to ask for forgiveness? they took a big huge part of me. >> just after midnight, 17 painful years after they were killed, they watch stephen hatch strapped to a gurney die by lethal injection. batch left behind a written statement. in a, t called those who sat in judgment of him evil, and barbaric. an hour after hatch was pronounced dead, brooks spoke to the press. >> leslie and i have, again, witness the taking of a life. the first time we did so, we were young people who were present for our mother and fathers who were viciously killed. today is the end of a very long ordeal that, has dominated our

lives. >> a family, witnessing an execution, was so unusual. leslie appeared on the today show. >> how has this crime haunted you, since it happened? >> i dealt with it a lot better than, but as i've become older, and have had children, it has become so much harder to try to explain to my children that they were never going to get to know their parents, are never going to get to see them. >> i'm never going to call, whether they are in california, or wherever it is that i'm living in mongolia, and getting told, what, we need to tell you this, it is going to have to testify with it. it is over. >> it felt as if they're putting it behind him. had accepted things as they were. but according to brooke's friends, it is with the

execution. not long afterwards, his second marriage ended. >> he brings everything back up. you have to go to the prison, you have to witness it, and it takes you back to that place. i think that made it tough for him. >> it took him right back there, indeed. >> one of the more bizarre things that it felt like as we were watching him die, i was also watching it all over again. part of us died. i will never forget it. none of us ever will. >> now, either of them could have known then. and one day, he's going to choose his own decision. to relive the worst night of his life in, living color. >> he was just gut-wrenching,

falling, and i just felt so bad for my mom and dad. he knew that they were going to say, and he had so much to live for, and it was really excruciating for everyone. more than you could ever imagine. >> coming up -- >> my parents would be proud. >> freeing his ghosts. a surprising move, that help heal the past, at last. when dateline continues. eline continues. but her moderate to severe eczema could make it hard for her. now i'm staying ahead of it. dupixent helps heal your skin from within. so they can have clearer skin and less itch. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. ask your doctor about dupixent.

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restless. the man who helped murder his parents had been executed. the shirt -- shooters behind bars for life. brooks, seeming unsure where he belonged. three turns in the oklahoma senate was enough. he started a business, sold it,

served as an army officer in the middle east. enrolled in harvard kennedys school of government, where he met, and married, julia. the crime that so infected his life? well -- he did make speeches, from time to time, about victims rights. >> it took 14 years for us to get the wedding rings back that these guys have stolen, and taken with them. one of them, they actually had to saw off him when they caught him. >> life was different now. he, and julia, had two children. settle down in california. then, brooks decided that maybe they would do it as a writing workshop. >> brooks came to the class, he pitched three ideas, when it comes, when was a, drama and when he proceeds to tell me about his life. >> a story about justice, and vengeance, becomes a story about forgiveness?

i thought that was a unique, and important story. >> he says that is the one you need to write. he says, i don't think i can write it, it is too personal, too painful. but, he convinced me i should try it, so i wrote a few scenes. parts of it were very difficult. i mean, extraordinarily difficult. >> oh, yes. difficult. but before long, as important as everything in his life had ever been. could he make the movie? he had never done anything like this before, not even close. but, egos are destroyed, fortunes may vanish. with amazing regularity here. still, he believed this was the answer. he hired brown to cowrote and directors movie. he raided his bank account, and when fundraising with friends and family, scraping together a couple of millions of dollars. he poured three years into his labor of love. he cast hollywood actors, as well as some of his friends.

and then, he called it heavens rain, for reasons his father would have understood. heavens rain opened in 2010, and leslie, who survived the whole long ordeal in her own very private way had to watch someone else, very publicly be her. >> do you realize that every time we go through this, i have to relive everything again? and i do not know who is going to show up in my tree ms.? >> the scene that kept coming into my head was, i wonder how she feels about this? what does she think about this? >> it kind of got me back into my head, where i was, what i was thinking. she actually did a great job portraying me, i thought, i could say word for word everything she said, because those things all came out of my mouth. and, you just kind of go on

with your life, and then you look back and go, i really did live through that. it is different. >> it is. it is like seeing yourself as they see you, which is something -- >> that can be scary sometimes, but no, i think my brother has told a beautiful story, and you know, i think my parents would be proud of how he has portrayed our family. >> leslie herself has a small part, it tribute of sorts to her mother, marilyn douglas, who sang, a lifetime ago. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> she has a beautiful voice, and that voice got silenced. in the movie, she sings. and people who heard her voice were astonished by how beautiful it was. i am hoping this will be a new chapter for her, to start singing again. >> and brooks?

>> i did local theater here in the city. so i knew that i wanted to act in this movie. >> act? oh, yes. but in fact, there was really only one role he wanted to play, one that he may have been born to. brooks decided he would portray his own father. >> nothing excited me more than the possibility of, of really being able to do that as a tribute to my dad. >> the movie follows brooks and leslie's life, picks it up after his election to the oklahoma senate, with flash back to their idyllic years as missionary children in brazil. it is a portrait of an american family, with at the heart of it, the words he still remembers, contained in his father's very last sermon, of course, delivered by brooks as his preaching dad. >> you see, the joy of life is

poisoned by the resentment of past grudges. >> you intentionally put that particular sermon in the movie? >> yes. a lot of that was the sermon that he preached the morning before he died. >> the theme was certainly forgiveness. it was something he preached? >> thus the title, "heaven's rain". it is from shakespeare, the merchant of enes. the quality of mercy is not strained, it drop if as the gentle rain from heaven, upon the place beneath. it is twice blessed. it blesseth him that gives, and him that takes. >> i am so, so sorry for what i did. >> could you at least tell me why? >> well, the truth is there was no reason. >> it is the reason he made the movie, this scene.

>> why is that moment one that still makes the emotion? >> what i'm sitting in front of him? >> yes. >> i think that it was so revealing. i look back, and we were just building this code of armor, and it was killing me, and it was killing my marriages, whatever, friendships. and at the end of the day, it was protecting me, keeping me away from the people that i loved. >> there is another scene in the movie, a flashback to the night of the crime. maybe this was the scene he needed to play to finally move on. [sound of gunfire] [sound of gunfire] [crying] >> i wonder how it must have been, you portraying him, when he died?

>> that was one of the very few instances in my life where it was actually much harder, and much more painful then i started out thinking it was going to be. >> his wife was with him on set for that one. >> he was upstairs before we filmed, and he was gut wrenching, balling saying, i just feel so bad for my mom and dad. he knew that was their last day, and he was so young, had so much to live for. and that whole night was really excruciating for everyone. it was more real than you would have imagined. >> dad's dad, mom's dad. >> he had to relive that night and i know how hard that was for him. we talked about it, how hard it would be. i was glad it was him going, and not me, i could not have dealt with it. >> after the los angeles

opening, "heaven's rain" was first released in oklahoma and texas, and later across the southwest. and as if to close another chapter in brooks and leslie's life, in april of 2011, glen ache, the trigger man, died in prison of natural causes. brooks went on to promote the movie. often, speaking after a group screenings, the film found its early audience, about oklahoma churchgoers. >> i am not sure people can fully appreciate you power that the grace of god has had in your life, in granting forgiveness to the people who have murdered your parents. >> an old wound, he could have left it alone, scarred over as it was. more than once he turned down book and movie deals proposed by others, and chose to let the dead lie. but not now, not anymore. and by opening the wound again

himself, he might have finally healed it. >> could have just said no, forget about it. >> could have said, someone, something that happened or, be forgiven, and these are all very old lessons, nothing that i came up with. this is what my dad and my mom taught me, what my faith has taught me. i wanted people to see who my dad was, who both my parents were, the work they did, the lessons they taught me. >> what do you want people to take away from this movie of yours? >> the power of forgiveness, the importance of it. >> if it is individuals, as people. if we are going to move on past the things of our past, we have to find a way to forgive. or, be forgiven. i mean, he did some horrible

things, they threw some huge curveballs our way. but it is always up to me, every day i wake up, it is up to me, whether i want to live a full life or not. >> brooks chose to live a full life. but in may of 2020, tragedy struck the douglas family, yet again. at age 56, brooks died of cancer. his message of forgiveness was not lost on his sister. >> i looked like, you have to forgive, or you just can't move on. you just dwell on it and dwell on it, especially when people have hate, i could not go on hating these men because that reflects in your own life. if you have hate for people, it makes you a hateful person. and i don't want to live like that the rest of my life. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ r adults undetectable,

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