can't wait to see you, i'm such a space geek, i don't know if you are, but we're so upset about the artemis landing. that's gonna come down in the show so all eyes on that. okay thank you jonathan have a good one. >> thanks, you too. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> that all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports, developing this hour the january six committee is meeting this afternoon with critical decisions on the agenda. the committee is expecting to discuss whether to make criminal referrals on any of its investigative targets which includes donald trump. earlier today, many member, adam chignik, discusses significance it could. play >> the criminal referrals themselves aren't necessarily as something that is going to wake doj up to something before. but i do think it will be an important symbolic thing that the committee can do. or even more than symbolic,

just very clear that congress thinks that a crime has been committed here in the doj should investigate it. >> and i'm forgetting, look at brand-new pictures of britney griner's first moments on u.s. soil. she is meant to her first weekend back on the u.s.. it comes as we get some new insight today with the negotiations with russia that secured her release, earlier today, national security council spoke when john kirby revealing how the u.s. tried to get both griner and paul whelan back to the u.s.. >> there was a very serious specific proposal made to the russians to try to get both of them altogether. it just didn't land anywhere, it didn't go anywhere with the russians, and as we progress through the summer, and into the fall, again, the conversations ongoing with the russians, it was clear, martha, that they were treating paul very separately, very distinctly because of these sham espionage charges they lobbied against him. it kind of came together last week in the endgame with just a

boot for griner deal. >> and the reaction cause democrats shake -- have a shake up on the senate. we kyrsten sinema saying she's leaving the democratic party to become an independent. -- expressing confidence that it won't change how things work in the upper chamber. >> look, how surprised she made the change but functionally, i don't think the change is a thing. i think we're going to continue to do the same thing that we were doing whether she's independent, or part of the democratic caucus because she's going to continue to caucus with the democrats. >> i think it really has to do with her political aspirations for the future and arizona. but for us, i think nothing much has changed in terms of the functioning in the u.s. senate. >> let's head right to capitol hill right now, and we're joined by nbc's julie tsirkin. julie, welcome. the one committee members -- meeting virtually in an hour from now on p.m.. why this sunday session?

>> alex, look, it's no secret that the clock is ticking on this committee. the expiration date is coming up. in the start of the new year when house republicans take control of the lower chamber, effectively dismantling the january 6th select committee. but look, today they're meeting virtually. i'm told that the members have been texting, have been communicating, in one form or another, at nearly every single day as they get down to the wire here. but, today's meeting is a very special focus. we know that they're going to try to decide whether they should make criminal referrals. that's a serious step. members on the panel have been weighing. they're thinking about it very heavily since the last several months. it could be viewed as a political decision, especially with democrats that to lose control of the house in just a month from. now but i want you to take a listen to a panel mammal adam schiff had to say, and how they're going to lay out their decision-making and their thought process when it comes to this issue. >> we're looking at, what is the quantum of evidence that we

have against the individuals? what is the impact of making a referral? i'm going to create some suggestion by referring some, that others there wasn't sufficient evidence when we don't know, for example, what evidence was in the position of the justice department. so, if we do make referrals, we want to be very careful on how we do them. but i think we're all certainly in agreement that there wasn't evidence of criminality here. and we want to make sure that the justice department is aware of that. >> look, ships suggested that they are all in agreement, generally, on what to do with this process. but, look to be clear the department of justice, doesn't really need congress to make any kind of plume of this, right? all of this is really a matches jing tool for the committee to put their last stamp and mark on this investigation when they've been pursuing for more than 17 months. now this all comes, just days before the committee is set to issue that final reporting, and potentially announce whether they're making any criminal referrals on december 21st. alex? >> yep, a week from wednesday.

we have a circled on our calendar. thank you so much julie tsirkin. more developing news right now with the release of some new pictures today of britney griner's escape from russia, and her first moments on u.s. soil. also, new word from her wife as griner spent another day at a military facility in texas. nbc's marissa park is outside of brooke army medical center in san antonio for us. welcome, first of all when you hear about how brittani's doing? >> well, as we know she's in the process of decompression before reintegration. a lot of this process involves staying away from the public eye and talking to people about everything that she's been through behind closed doors. but we are learning more about those moments when she first learned that she was coming back home. of, course some of the first moments when she did land on u.s. soil. take a look. this is an instagram post from her wife, cherelle griner, and largely it was just expressing gratitude to everyone who brought. here quote >> --

of many, she continued as beachie and i start our journey to heal our minds bodies and spirits. i want to personally say thank you to some of the hands seen and unseen that help make it possible for me to see my white again. >> it was really special to see just as long, long list of everyone that they were thinking. you can take a look yourself. but now within the last hour, you mentioned the voters that we are seeing, this very first photo that we're seeing from the plane that she was on her way home. and nbc actually spoke to the u.s. special presidential envoy for hostage, false that's roger parsons. he explained his moment on the plane. actually, one of the more interesting ones what he was talking about how he was trying to give her space, thinking that she would need that, instead, he said that she was craving human connection. she wanted to talk. take a listen to what he had to say about her very first moments on u.s. soil. >> what brittani got off the plane, she of course connected with charles. shortly thereafter, she stood in front of a huge american

flag in this aircraft hangar, in san antonio, texas. she called everyone over to take photos with her. as she was doing, that she would often with their names with, look them in the eye, shake hands with them. that to me was probably the best moment of this whole recovery. seeing brittani and from that big american flag, taking photos with all the people that would try to bring her home. it shows the kind of woman that she. is >> so when you asked how brittani is doing, i think that is just so telling. not only graciousness expressed, but also you could really see just the resolve and the grit that got her. there remember, that carson's is one of the main key players that help to get this negotiation on the ground. he also mentioned whelan. it's so important to mention him because everyone is talking about how we line is something they are also focusing on. he said that there is a meeting tomorrow happening with all the people involved in type of these negotiations. he didn't say more, just that steps are being taken to bring him home as well. back to you. >> yeah, it was important to

say the john kirby spokesman -- and how hard they tried to get pelino in this part of the tea who has. well so very interesting, thank you so much melissa power for that. joining me now is democratic congressman jamal bowman of new york. welcome search, good to see. you you have heard a number of your colleagues on the other side of the aisle criticizing the exchange, questioning if president biden made in fact, the best deal possible. something that he should have freed the former u.s. marine, paul whelan. is it dangerous, right now, for the gop to be questioning this. if negotiations are still underway, or at least discussions, what are these reactions saying to you? >> well, unfortunately the gop continues to be anti black, anti woman, an anti-lgbtq. you see the bottom line is brittani liner is a black woman, who is a lesbian. and when you look at the policies that should gop

continue to support in their constant rhetoric, they are anti-those things. so, it's a very unfortunate, but it's really good to see brittney griner home with us, back on u.s. soil. it's unfortunate that she had to go through this. it makes me think of all the people who are unjustly incarcerated, in our country, and around the world that need to be coming home as well. >> yeah, there are a lot for sure under that category. let's move, sir, to the january six committee. you know it's meeting. today i was expelled terms precisely whom to criminally referred to the department of justice, how do you want to see this handled? should the committee criminally refer the former president, donald trump? >> absolutely, yes. first of all, i want to commend the committee for being so comprehensive and transparent over the last several months in laying out exactly all of the evidence and information that

they've acquired related to the president, but not just the president, rudy giuliani, mark meadows, and many others. i think it's important for the committee to continue to be transparent and -- in terms of the referrals that it will make today. for me and for my constituents and people i speak to across the country, it is crystal clear. the president lost the election, he pushed a big lie, he weaponized social media and his base toward the january 6th insurrection that we saw. he wanted to be a part of that insurrection, and had to be held back by secret service. i expect that the committee will do the right thing and make its referral. the committees not just charged with prosecution, but it should continue to be comprehensive and transparent and sharing its information, because this is part of the historical record. people for decades to come will

read these referrals and will observe the january six committee. so, i look forward to that. i'm continuing to inform the american people as to their findings, and the referrals. >> ten days to wait until we get those findings. i know all of us, many of us are really holding our breath until it happens. but, let's get to something else. you and senator bernie sanders have done, which is led more than 70 lawmakers urging the president to take executive action to guarantee those rail workers seven days of paid sick leave. because it wasn't included in the agreement to invite a strike. what options does the president have for executive action, and do you expect him to respond? >> i'm expecting him to respond. what he can do is expand upon president obama's 2015 executive action. but this time, ensuring that rail workers are included in paid sick leave. it's unfortunate that congress even has to intervene in the

first place. you would hope that employers would do the right thing and ensure the threes paid sick leave for workers who do this backbreaking, and some of the most challenging work that anyone in the country has to do. but once we saw that we had to intervene, we wanted to ensure that there was paid sick leave for affiliated and associated in part of this bill. we got it passed the house, and we even got six republicans on the senate side to sign on. but unfortunately, the chamber of commerce and others, got involved and got into the ear of many republicans, and we were unable to get across the finish. line so, the president has the executive authority here asha president obama in 2015 to ensure that rail workers have paid sick leave. where the wealthiest nation on earth. rail road companies, if you will, are making record profits. they should be able to provide paid sick leave, which would be a small percentage of the profits that they make

annually. >> all right, thank you for ironing all that for us. let me switch to this, getting your thoughts are on course and sinema searching for the democratic party. in response you tweeted, by felicia, this is about your pharma donors, stop lying. are you unfazed? do you think this is going to have little impact on the democrats majority in the senate? >> what's unfortunate is that senator sinema has been stumping with the republican party, and fighting against the interest of the american people and the democratic party for the last couple of years. we may have got a build back better if it weren't for cinemas senator. -- big pharma donors and the wealthy elite in our country that she has the american people. so. we will. .

see she's claiming that it will not change what how she governs or what have. you but i what i would like to seize her being responsive to the people in arizona and the american people at large. if this move communicates why do not trust our government -- do not understand how it works, don't lean to understand more of how it works because of moves like this, days after raphael warnock gave us a 50 1:49 majority in the senate. it just wreaks of foul play and decisions that don't have anything to do with democracy and the american people. >> congressman men, jamal bowman of new york, thank you so much to have you on the show. thank you so much for time sir. and for weighing in. >> >> we have some breaking news just a stunning revelation justice -- almost 34 years later a suspect in the plane bombing is now in u.s. custody.

the libyan national, suspected of making the bomb that blew up pan am flight 103 over lockerbie scotland on december 21st, 1988. that flight was en route to new york -- the explosion killed all 259 on. board another 11 on the. ground 190 of those victims were americans, 35 of them students at syracuse university, studying abroad. the suspect had been in libyan custody since 2012, a doj spokesperson told nbc news. the suspect is expected to make his initial court appearance in the u.s. district court, for the district of columbia. that will happen in our next hour, we're going to get a report from our london -- for you. meantime 02 have been a flannel of the recent white house state dinner, we're learning about an interaction between hunter biden and congressman kevin mccarthy and his mother. who approached whom, and do we know what the reaction was? well, it is detailed in this article. we'll discuss the implications, next. ations next

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ten days until this start of winter, and it's already packing a dangerous punch. dana griffin, nbc news. >> all right dana griffin reporting over there and the reaction today to donald trump's recent engagement her mar-a-lago with far right. doctors but tuesday, -- qanon conspiracy theorist, it comes just two weeks after trump had dinner with white supremacist, nick fuentes, and yay, formally known as kanye west. yay has made a number of horrific -- don trump's niece told me this is all part of her uncles 2024 strategy. >> everything donald does is transactional. he sort of a black hole of need, and when he's not getting what he wants from some people, i think in this case, the majority of the republicans in congress who have had enough and sort of see him as electoral poison, he will go

wherever he needs to in order to get his fix, which is attention, and sick offensively. >> joining me now is peter baker, msnbc political analyst, chief health whitehorse pundits and coauthor of the traffic new book, the divide, or trump in the white house 2017 to 2021. welcome, my friend. as someone who has been following donald trump's political career and also interviewing him, post presidency at mar-a-lago, do you agree with his niece, mary trump's assessment? >> well look. i do think that he is reacting to the fact that he's being shown to some extent by when -- he's reaching out to the people who support. him his view of politics is really all about who likes him. who supportive of him, who's loyal to him? he's all less ideological and a lot less philosophical or even policy oriented but it is about his own personal leave --

need for validation. even if it means goes further to the extreme. he's going to take that support and go in that direction because these are people who are sticking with him to some degree of fervor. of course, he's always floated with differences. he's the one who promoted the -- way back in the day, after charlottesville, and all these other examples of currying favor in a fight with the far-right. even so, i think what you're seeing now is a far more open embrace, if you will, of extremist extremist elements in l.a. american society. there's no apology. he is not saying, i don't support the view even if i don't see them. he simply says, basically, at that the messages, get used to, it this is who i am and this is what i'm going to do. >> yeah, and in fact i asked mary if she expected apology and see she said, nope not gonna happen. all of this, peter, this controversy is just a piece of trump terrible, horrible, very bad three weeks as you

colleagues of the new york times called it. on wednesday it was revealed a trump search team found at least two more classified documents are in west palm beach storage unit. how did these suddenly turn up, is there any reason to believe there are more classified materials floating around? >> well i don't think anybody is willing to bet that there aren't at this point. look, this turned up because the trump team hired people to search the various places that there might be documents like this. the court actions that are going on right now. the justice department looked at that and said, this is an example of how they haven't complied with legal orders. they went to a judge this week to ask the judge to hold the trump deep in contempt. the judge didn't act on that, may not act on that, told the two sides to go back and work it among them selves. but it suggests how frustrated formative justice is with the fact that here we are two years almost after the president left office and they still don't have real assurances that they've got all the documents that don't belong to him back. >> is the fallout that you

expect that could come from this particular discovery? i mean maybe more search warrants? >> yeah, it could be. the problem with a search warrant as lawyers will tell you, and i'm not a lawyer, is that they need to have a particular understanding of where documents might be. so, you can't just have a fishing expedition and saying we like to go everywhere and go see everything. they may not have that particular knowledge about particular doll documents at this. point but they certainly don't trust the trump team, no question about that. i think this could add to the larger legal pressure on the president but could lead to indictments. if you're looking at an instruction of justice charge, which detached department have said is looking at in this court papers, while this is one more example of how they can say that the trump team has failed to promptly and expeditiously respond request to return documents that don't belong to him. >> let's turn now to your point that out of the washington post,

it reflects my owed to be a fly on the wall of the state dinner, right? it was a very surprising moment, and it's from the white house late dinner. at one point hunter biden walked up to a group, including house minority reader, kevin mccarthy, and said hello to mccarthy's mother. according to people familiar with the exchange. okay, so first of all, what do we know about this interaction? >> yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? of course the fact that the president had kevin kathy to a state dinner, it is interesting in notable. the president who is trying to return to the normal way of doing things in which you still have people across the aisle, to your home, the home being the white house. the people's house. for events like a state dinner, you don't make that a partisan affair. has president didn't see that way. but hunter biden, obviously, is deciding at this point knowing that he's a target, knowing that he -- that the bull's-eyes on his back to confront his accusers, his attackers. in fact, he did that in a very personal way by going up to mccarron mccarthy and basically

suggesting that he is not going to shy away from. i think that that's the message he wanted to send the republicans at this point. >> but you think -- i mean the post story suggests kind of a charm offensive, maybe? do you think that's a case? do you know if it caught the leader off-guard? the question is, could it work, given everything the you know? >> i think it's harder to be mad at people who are saying mean things about people if you see them in person and you know who they are, if they seem like him in being sued. the truth of the matter is that this is all driven by forces that go beyond that. kevin mccarthy is interested in winning the speakership. in order to do that, he needs to convince the most conservative members of his caucus that he's with them. anything short of a full on investigation of hunter biden would undercut his ability to win that vote coming up in january. so of course, he's not going to show anything less than complete fidelity to that cause. after his speakership, if he

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the waters very suit of about, of california. on the 50 years anniversary of nasa's first moon landing, the return of the unmanned spacecraft to mark the end of this 25-day artemis 1 mission. it's been testing the most powerful rocket yet, as well as the capsule as it was out in deep space. let's go to my fellow science and space geek friend, and colleague, lindsey reiser joining us now from the big board. okay, they're watching this thing with baited breath. all the engineers, they want to see if the heat shields work because that's super key right now. walk us through the mission, the splash down, bring it all to us. >> alex, party one they said all along was texting those heat shield. the whole thing has been a test. let's look at the launch. this was testing the sls system. the most powerful rocket system nasa has ever built. i was there in person for the launch. it was incredibly powerful. we were five miles away on a still had to brace myself. and then, once orion was successfully in space, and that

rocket, the booster, the core stage had successfully dropped off, let's go ahead and show you the flight path to show you where paul ryan went. orion went and did a close live eye of the moon, then ritual -- 40,000 miles past the far side of the moon. then, around another close five by, another 79 miles across the moon. we have incredible images that orion was able to take. images of the length we haven't seen before. you can see her earth on one side, the crescent moon on the other. then, orion used the moons own gravity, sort of slingshot effect to get back to earth and that is where we are today. this incredible splash down here. i believe we also have some images of the navy rehearsing the recovery of the ships, of this capsule. here we go, because it is an incredible feat here, a multi pronged a crutch. this capsule going to come down, 24,500 miles an hour, seven miles a second. these teams are going to be there, they're going to be

studying for hours doing imagery, making sure that those heat shields, which not only protected orion in deep space, but have to protect our ryan from the heat upon reentry held. so, alex, this is an intense credible test of the system. this is all eventually to pave the way to artemis two. and then artemis three, for humans to land back on the moon. >> okay, so i'm getting a word from the control booth. it's about three minutes till it actually lands. we would really, really like to stay with us and make sure all go smoothly. you bring up the heat shields though, what's it, like 5000 degrees that goes through earth's atmosphere? that is extraordinary! it's my understanding that they've expected to bend these heat shield, right? the metal, or whatever the composite. is >> it tiles. >> so it's about 1300 tiles that have to withstand all of this, and so that is why, this is new technology here. that's one of the reason why it's gonna take several hours once orion does splash down.

they want to make sure that these heat shield did protect orion, because remember alex. the next mission people are going to be on board. this capsule is built for four people now instead of three. there's room for a rowing machine in a ryan, even a laboratory. so, the technology is. there this is a huge test. engineers right now are in the control room, they have said, all right the parachutes have deployed here as we're looking at live pictures. engineers of the entire time, even after the launch said that they're not going to rest until after this moment to make sure everything is going. well these parachutes will slow orion down from mark 32 to 0. >> astronauts once on board are going to be experiencing this moment, 4g. >> yeah and they're also going through some communications lap? it's my understanding the last five and a half minutes, because of going through the earth's atmosphere, they have no communication with this. i wonder if that's something they can improve upon, or not? >> there were a couple rock out

periods. i'm not listening to the national live television right now, so i'm not sure if they're still communicating. but, alex, everything up until this point has gone picture-perfect. engineers have even said that they are expectations have been exceeding, have been exceeded. so, this is a learning mission to your point to figure out how they can tailor the specifically to humans. >> yeah you mentioned nasa tv, my control booth has just said that we can listen, let's do, that let's listen tenacity as they come down with a spot on the board. here it is. ome down with a spot o >> briefing in progress. >> this is, everybody, what nasa's plan where. >> three good main shoots for orion. >> alex, these parachutes are 116 feet wide. they are absolutely huge to slow down the speed of iran.

>> we have three fully inflated main shoots. time to splash down, 90 seconds. [silence] >> perfect descent rate reported. [silence] >> alex, the splash down is off the coast of baja, california. it was really supposed to be off of san diego. but because of the cold front, they ended up moving it about 300 miles south. >> yeah, with all those waters and alike easier to recover in this. so they're going to be practicing, they want to get as close as they can, i think it's gonna take a couple of hours to get the actual capsule out of the water. this is so cool! look at this! >> and there it is! high of both the pacific americas new ticket to ride the moon and beyond now in view. orion under it shoots the

sending toward splash down. >> alex, they're able to take more time to inspect the cat sal at splash down as opposed to once humans are unbound. they only have about two hours when humans are on board to get them out and get them evaluated, and so yes, they will be. >> we orion perfect and retain for splash down. seconds away. [silence] >> 1000 feet. good descent rate. [silence] >> and, alex keep in mind while there are no humans inside this capsule, there are mannequins with sensors measuring everything. >> again learning expectation.

>> 500 feet. >> i understand they're also gonna go underwater, have divers go underwater to see how things are before they would extract that, whether that would happened. >> correct. and conduct some mj below water and above water. >> splash down! from tranquility base tutorial truck, to the tranquil waters of the pacific, the latest chapter of nasa's journey to the moon, comes to a close. orion, back on earth! unofficial splash down time, 11:40. and 30 seconds i am central time. -- >> you know why i always love these nasa commentators. mission elapsed time of 24 days ten hours and 54 seconds. that's unofficial. splashing down off the coast of baja, california. >> and alex, we'll wait until

the nasa press conference to make sure that everything went off without a hitch. but right now -- >> now being inflated for, four of the bags currently being inflated. >> from where we stand, it looks like things are going exactly as not supplant. >> obviously they had to. -- >> and we have a report that orion is stable and upright, as it should. be >> amazing! >> so now we'll have boats that will approach orion. eventually, again, after the hours of imaging and. once >> again, splash down occurring at 11:48 am, central time 9:40, am -- must've baja, california, after a textbook entry for the week orion spacecraft bring its 25 and a half dimension.

>> textbook entry, there we have. it >> alex, eventuality the it will be brought on to the deck of u.s. as portland and should be back in two vehicles -- kennedy space center billion of the month. >> absolutely extraordinary! i wonder how far off the coast it went their eye off of the high california? again, it was a ridiculous be in san diego. cold weather, choppy waters, they push that south. >> yeah, it's off of guadeloupe island, so i believe that the ship, from where they're conducting this video right now is about five miles away. of course, we're gonna listen to nasa tv after this conundrum. that -- >> we have confirmation that four out of the five cool module of writing system bags have fully inflated, standing by forward on the fifth one. but orion is in great shape. stable one, just in the orientation that had been expected. >> it's my understanding that

the capsule did a roll, like 180-degree role as it was entering earth's atmosphere, lindsey? the angle in which it was hurdling down to earth, it had to roll over to get to earth atmosphere. >> yeah, there were two positions that iran could land. it landed in position one, which is upright as they say. it also could have done top down. that would have been position number two. but also before orion jim hurling downturn, it had to separate from the european space module. so orion just entered completely on his own. so we're waiting on board for that fifth bag deployment, it sounds like. >> do you know how long it will take for boats, what they've approximated to get to the capsule? i mean, you said is gonna be a few hours. >> this is message control, houston, once again the orion spacecraft have been completed of 1.4 million miles. >> wow! we >> bobbing gently in the

pacific ocean. -- [inaudible] >> however you the food that you can arrive, shaking, could take a little bit to recover for this. before the recovery team arrives. >> we are now receiving word that all five of the crew module operating systems are fully inflated. >> this is incredible! >> so that's exactly what we have hope for, we orion safely bobbing up and down in the pacific ocean. >> this is the next era of space exploration. this is going to take humans back to the moon, eventually, alex, the goal a lofty one, to get to mars. >> yeah! but it's extraordinary. the pictures they've sent from the far side of the moon, seeing the shadow of the moon as it played across the face of the earth, really. it's just extraordinary! you know what, but watch splash down one more time for all of

you space geeks out there, that include lindsey, me here it is. >> splash down. from tranquility base to tours literally, to the tranquil waters of the pacific, the latest chapter of nasa's journey to the moon, comes to a close. we orion, back on earth. >> we have a live picture back, so it looks like the boats are getting there already, okay! >> these teams, alex, have rehearsed. they've gone through dummy capsules if he will to practice everything, so this naval team is certified to do this. they are ready. >> all right, all as well as, well i guess we can very definitely say that we will keep monitoring this. you say there is going to be a news conference later today that gives us official word from nasa. >> 3:30 am eastern. >> we'll have some more updates on this in the next hour.

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near this mcgahn republican kari lake now formally challenging arizona's election results. like a seeking a court order, overturning the election avatars see lost the governor's race. the loss of claims claims. -- this comes just after her defeat was in fact or. five the joining me now is don calloway democratic judges and founder of national voter protection fund. --

and former republican congress in from florida, david jolly, both are msnbc political analyst. good to have you guys here. don, i don't know, where have we seen this before? didn't kari lake when anything from trump's failed election fraud claims? >> she did not, apparently. i heard my brother michael -- from morehouse i'm saying that he thinks it's a good thing because it gives you an opportunity to lay out pleadings, and show that they're not subsistent i show that there's really nothing there not only for her, but for all of these election deniers claims in the bin of trump. i actually don't think it's a good thing because it continues to sow seeds of distrust, of government, and election processes. something that all of us on both sides of the aisle for a long time have really worked hard is to preserve election integrity. to make sure that elections are handled. fairly won an election is handled equally and it's carried out judiciously. what we don't need is one of the two major candidates going to these expense, wasting taxpayer dollars, wasting how

much of professional folks times to show that it was illegitimate when i was in fact carried out close to with the intent of anything we can expect. -- [laughter] i probably shuns in his blunders undertaken by kari lake, especially the notion that she might be a black woman. [laughter] >> listen i remember the conversation -- doesn't make you a glass have empty kind of guy, or a realist? i mean, it's one of the other, or both. but look, susan, where it is kari lake see this going? what do you think her endgame is here? does this do anything to politically help her future? >> well first, i'm gonna go to the half -- glass half full because i think it's great that every other candidate who is running election denier can see that there rates. she really does stand out and a very negative way. but, we had that in our elections and i'm actually very

grateful for the. her next play, the quote you read, it's clear she wants to go to mar-a-lago and be trump's vice president pick. there's no other place for her. she can try for senate again. but she really, really put herself in a jam the way she divided the republican party. >> yeah, i'm gonna ask you in a second about whether or not he will be ultimately picking a vp candidate, you know i'm gonna go that one, susan. but david, before i get, there isn't really an appetite among enough of the republican base for challenging elections? do you think we're gonna see even more attempts at this kind of thing in the future? >> well, there's only an appetite. the question is how much influence will that -- in 24. i think to susan's point about kari lake, look, there is a constituency. you talk about the mic pillow guy's constituency. jerry lake solace carry week

ago if you want to lose there's no way i will lose of this is. fair it was very much a donald trump line. she said if i lose, it's because of people arizona have been robbed by a maladministration. so she told us what she was going to do, and i do think the question is, what is her plan politically. she's trying not to get away, and she can lock on to that constituency that wants to talk about conspiracies, so, look, will donald trump actually embrace turnout? maybe. but this is carey like saying i'm not ready to leave the stage, and i know there are enough republicans that will accept my healthy dose of arrogance and crazy, and when you give me a platform to have it. >> all right, well let's turn to 2024 with the new york times reporting during last week's state dinner with frances emmanuel macron, but the president and first lady say that they are ready for a reelection campaign. the president said he will make a formal decision after the holidays, don. do expect an announcement in the new year? >> we i really don't know whether or not whether they

plan to announce. i know that he's doing all the things legally and politically that he needs to do to seek reelection. chief among those things, having an awful good first term as president from a legislative perspective. from a political perspective, from a public purse affairs perspective. joe biden has been a fantastic president. let me say that just unclear, no legitimate member of the democratic party will primary president biden in 2024. that goes from members of his administration, all the way through the cabinet on down. governors, anyone who would be a legitimate candidate, will not primary president biden. he would first have to decide that he would not run, that would of course set off a firestorm of potential candidates. but president biden deserves reelection, and he will not have a primary from inside the party. >> okay, quickly i want to -- michael cohen told me cohen about trump running again. here it is. >> all he's done is announce,

who's his campaign manager? who's his financial? who's his press secretary? who's his schedule? or who's anything? the answers he doesn't have it. all he did was file a piece of paper. it doesn't mean anything. put together staff, let me see. all he's doing is grifting off of that announcement. >> seems i'm coming with you with this, when i'm scared to see -- will this trump run, will go the distance? or, are you sticking with, he's not running prediction you've been caring for quite some time which goes back to kari lake like why is she trying to be a vice presidential nominee, potentially, because there may not even be a run what they're realistically. >> yeah, what i said is that he will not appear on the ballot. he may say he's running like michael cohen said, and he filed a piece of paper, even if he puts a clause up campaign spent together, at the end of the day he will not be on the ballot is my belief. kari lake works out where for donald trump because we know he likes attention, so unlike, what normal candidates do, and announced their vp choice

around the convention time, maybe he announces her early just to get more attention if he's not getting any positive press with his dwindling base. >> how dwindling, david, do you think that is? does he really run, based on what michael cohen said, or announcing is one thing, filing is nothing, fine. but actually fall wing through. michael cohen said he hasn't put in the staff. i mean, they're not there. >> well, that's right. the paradox republicans remains. you can't win with donald trump nationally, but you can't win without him and his voters if he decides to blow up the whole party. look, week one, we had announcement that few people showed up to. they tried to leave early. we, to expose the antisemitism and white supremacy. -- week three he lost georgia race, and the trump businesses in new york were convicted of tax fraud and more mar-a-lago documents appeared. a terrible three weeks.

but i think to susan's point, this is critical. he announced, because he had to own the field early. he had to claim the nominations and say this is still my party. but what he hasn't done is actually run. if he's not going to run, then it doesn't matter, he didn't get in it to win, it he won it for prosecution defense, or grift as michael cohen side. >> okay. don, susan, dated, many thanks guys appreciable. meantime, christmas came early for the house -- committee and there's another big that led committee, one member's bill to answer question everyone has wanted for years? my dad knew your come too fast? 12 hours!! not coughing? hashtag still not coughing?! mucinex dm gives you 12 hours of relief from chest congestion and any type of cough, day or night. mucinex dm. it's comeback season.

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