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from a summer seaworld headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin this busy hour with the breaking news. a key suspect in the 1988 pan am walker bombing is now in u.s. custody. almost 34 years to the day. one of the deadliest terror attacks. let's go to nbc's aly receives joining us from london on this. ali, welcome. what do we know about the suspect and about his role in the attack? >> hi, alex. his name is -- was an libyan intelligence officer. an explosives expert. u.s. officials say that he was the man who built the bomb that blew up pan am one of three. killing 270 people 34 years
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ago. the department of justice says that he is now in u.s. custody. he will be appearing in federal court very soon. we don't have an exact date for that. authorities here in the uk have also said that they've reached out to the families of the victims that died on pan am 103. they say that masoud has been arrested. he is in u.s. custody. they are going to continue pursuing other suspects that were involved in that bombing. and who -- the mastermind of the attack who was convicted in 2001 for the attack. he was in jail up until 2009 until scottish authorities released him on compassionate grounds. because he was dying of terminal cancer. he went back to libya, died in 2012. and today it, he is the only person to have been convicted of the worst terrorist attack to take place on british soil. until now that they have masoud,
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one of the main culprits in this attack. about a month ago, there were reports that masoud was kidnapped by militias in libya. and that they may hand him over to u.s. authorities. and here we are now. he is in u.s. custody. and we'll be facing justice pretty soon, alex. >> so give me the significant going forward, ali, of the fact that this suspect will be -- is rather in u.s. custody. how do we know how he got to u.s. custody. >> there was a big break in 2017, alex. he was questioned by the libyan law enforcement. in an interview, he gave them -- come into u.s. hands in 2017. the video was recorded in 2012. he basically spilled the beans. he said that he had built the bomb. he was ordered by libyan intelligence to do it.
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he went to some of the details in the process of getting it out there. he said that he -- him another compresses were also thanked by gaddafi at the time for carrying out attacks. that was a key piece of evidence for the u.s. to pursue whom masoud who wasn't really on the radar beforehand. the significance of this is that it's still very murky what happened in this attack. the exact details of how it was carried out and even more significantly, why it was carried out. now capturing masoud, that might shed some light on all these questions. if, of course, he's willing to talk and we'll find out about that in due course as he goes through the trial process. >> there are a lot of people, 259 people who are killed as a result of that horrible attack, off of those 11 on the grounds. all of those families wondering why this happened. i hope they get the closure they would like to get. thank you so much, ali, for that. we have another breaking news story, this one with a smile on our faces because we brought to
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you live here on the last hour. splash down, nasa's new multibillion dollar spacecraft successfully returning from opening the moon. it happened about 25, 30 minutes ago. that capsule traveled 1.4 million miles through space. a collective data that would help nasa send astronauts back to the moon. it's supposed to happen by 2025. a big part of the dissent was to test the spacecraft's heat shields. against the searing heat of entry. about 5000 degrees fahrenheit. that's about half as hot as the outer surface of the sun. we're gonna more on this for you with lindsey. she'll be coming back at the bottom of the hour. even more breaking news to share. right now, the january six committee is coming together this hour for what could be a critical meeting, the panel is weighing whether to make criminal referrals for any of its investigative targets. that includes donald trump. we are today, committee member adam schiff gave some new insight on what goes into the process of determining whether to make a referral. >> we're looking at what is the
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quantum of evidence that we have against individuals. . what is the impact of making a referral. if we do make referrals, we want to be very careful about how we do them. but i think we're all certainly in agreement that there is evidence of criminality here. and we want to make sure that the justice department is aware that. >> we're also getting a new look at britney griner's first moments back on american soil. early today on msnbc, the special presidential envoy -- gave a new emotional details on griner's return. >> when brittani got off the plane, she connected with cherelle. and shortly, she sort of have a huge american flag in this aircraft hangar in san antonio texas and she called everyone over to take photos with her. as she was doing, that she has some other names, were shake hands with them. that, to me, was probably the best with this whole recovery. seeing brittani in front of that big american flag taking photos with all the people that were -- shows you the kind of woman
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that she is. >> definitely very emotional there. also some direction in washington. democrats face a senate shakeup, arizona senator kristen sinema leaving the democratic party to become an independent. earlier today, her senate colleagues going in, saying they don't think it'll change their day, their day-to-day approach, that is. >> it really doesn't make a difference. i think that kirsten's been operating as an independent this whole time. this is really less about the operations of the senate and more about her home state politics. >> functionally, i don't think it changes the thing. and that's a good thing. >> for more on that january six committee meeting that has we said is ongoing right now, let's go to nbc's julie -- on capitol hill. we know that as a virtual meeting. so what do we know about the topics and you know how long it's expected to last in who's attending? >> it's a good question, alex
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we anticipate that all the members of the committee are on this virtual meeting like i told you last hour. we know that the committee members have been in close touch. especially now in the final weeks as they get closer and closer to their expiration date. when house republicans are said to they control of the lower chamber. look, the topic of this meeting is all about criminal referrals. we heard that both privately earlier this weekend, publicly for multiple members on the panel this isn't a question that's been plaguing the committee for several months now. partly because these criminal referrals don't actually have much weight when it comes to the president of justice. who can choose to act unilaterally on these referrals. but also because it could be perceived as a political decision. that something that adam schiff discussed earlier today on face the nation. i want you to take a listen to what one republican member of the committee, adam kinzinger, had to say, really saying the quiet part out loud. >> the criminal referrals themselves are necessarily something that is going to wake doj up designated know before.
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but i do think it'll be an important symbolic thing that the committee can do. or even more than symbolic, just very clear that congress thinks a crime is been committee here and the doj should investigate it. >> alex, i'm told by committee spokesperson not to expect any statements or any kind of public decision today even when that committee meeting concludes. but december 21st, just a couple of days away now, that's the day the committee plans to make their report public to make that final report public, that is. and whether they will make a decision on criminal referrals, they're going to announce that too. of course that includes someone like former president trump. others perhaps. those republicans that they subpoenaed in may. that would be an unprecedented step to sort of punish those individuals. including kevin mccarthy. who is currently in a political fight for his life. trying to seek the speakership gavel. a lot to watch here, alex. >> thank you for keeping an eye on it for us. appreciate that, julie tsirkin. do stay with us because we're gonna bring in the sarah --
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congressional reporter for politico. as i welcome you, sarah, committee members have been relatively tightlipped about who they are considered for criminal referrals of the doj. how about you? what are you hearing about the potential options? >> that's right, of course former president donald trump is the biggest name here. he has not face any legal consequences since the january 6th insurrection at the capitol. democrats are very eager to change that. especially with him likely running for president so the other republicans that have been considered our names that we've heard all along. we have trump's former advisers, mark meadows. his former attorney, rudy giuliani. there is also members of the house republican conference that have been subpoenaed and ignored those. there's democrats who like congressman jamie raskin have said they don't think they have the power to take legal consequences against these members for not complying with the subpoena. there is other potential punishments for them.
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such as referring them to the house ethics committee. these are really the conversations everyone's watching right now. as julie mentioned, this comes as house minority leader kevin mccarthy is really trying to get that speaker gavel next year. in any decision the democrats make here could put him in a bind forcing him to respond to all of this. >> speaking of what you're watching for. attendees from. now with the committee released its official report what are you looking for in that? >> this is democrats last chance to really talk about what role former president trump had in this. he is going to be launching his campaign. and democrats have been really trying to tarnish his reputation. based on what happened at the insurrection and his role in this. this is -- they have 20 days left of this committee in existence. they've made a really powerful impact so far with the video footage had been able to uncover, with a lot of behind the scenes details of exactly
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even what republicans are thinking on that day. what they were saying to the former president. so democrats, again, are trying to describe this narrative to convince the american public that he was the reason that this insurrection happened. this could happen again. if he was to take power. this is -- democrats are under a lot of pressure here too to have this final report which is expected to be very expensive. they had over 1000 witnesses interviewed here. can they make this interesting enough to convince the american public in this, now the midterms are over, that they still need to pay attention to this. and at this event that's happened for most people, it's not in their backyard. for those of us in d.c., it is. convincing the american public that this is still important and still relevant in the 2024 race. >> hundred percent. julie, let's get to the big senate shakeup this week. with senator kyrsten sinema announcing she switching from democrat to independent. her fellow independents, bernie sanders, responded her decision this morning.
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take a listen to what he said. >> i have been to suspect that is probably a lot to do with politics back in arizona. i think the democrats there are not all that enthusiastic about somebody who help sabotage some of the most important legislation that protects the interests of working families and voting rights and so forth. i think it really has to do with her political aspirations for the future in arizona. for us, i think, nothing much has changed in terms of the function of the u.s. senate. >> julie, they're on the hill, is senator sanders reactions some -- similar to what you hear from us democrats? >> you know, largely, i think in terms of the function of the senate, we've heard some of democrats especially being careful not to alienate -- sentiment because they need her support, senator schumer had said that she will keep her committee assignments as a democrat. those sinema did not explicitly say whether she will soak all
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caucus with democrats like bernie sanders for example does or angus cain the, send us other independent. senator bernie sanders did not mince words. he called her out for blocking key pieces of the biden agenda. key pieces of democrats agenda. including senator sinema's refusal to kick the filibuster out and essentially be able to pass legislation like abortion protection, like voting rights. with 50 votes instead of 60. sinema obviously taking a strong stance against that. one more point, when you call sinema -- senator bernie sanders fellow independent. i think it's interesting because i'm sure both of them can't see many similarities between one another. but now, of course, they joining -- part of the independence in the senate. i think it's important to underscore just how careful democrats need to be here. in order to keep sinema sort of in line with them. she did caucus with democrats. not a single time really since she's been at the senate in 2018. she hasn't attended a leadership meeting. she's not a member of leadership like bernie sanders is. for example.
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she's always seen her role as independent. i think that's been clear from what we've been hearing from other democrats in the senate. they are shocked by this news but not essentially surprised. >> i get what you're saying, absolutely. sarah, if democrats are concerned about the future, looking two years ahead -- largely presumed he's going to run for senate in arizona in 2024. he'll run as a democrat. if sinema runs again and does so as an independent, how concerned is the talk about them splitting the democratic vote and essentially handing the election to a republican? >> this has been dominating conversation in both arizona circles and in d.c.. i talked to a lot of democrats. both are aligned with rebecca go who i can report is expected to be run. and those who are aligned with kyrsten sinema. the big concern here is of course sinema put herself squarely in the driver seat for this 2024 race. she has not yet said if she will be running.
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her decision essentially takes herself out of a one-on-one matchup with any other democrat in arizona. she's really affirming that look, she's in control here. anyone who wants to get against her, they need to be willing to potentially lose this seat. she is a lot of fear right now that what happens with the seed right now. if senate democratic leader chuck schumer in his campaign arm. if they decide to back kirsten sinema. then that essentially boxes out any democrats like reuben gaye go or there's another arizona house republican -- he's also looking at running. that would really make it hard for them to jump in this if chuck schumer and his party apparatus or behind sinema. that's going to be the biggest question for me. i think there's so much pressure on schumer right now. right now, the -- they were planning to launch this really speeds up their timeline. they were not planning to make any kind of announcement. they were looking at next year.
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-- we just had the midterms and it with a really contentious seat race in arizona. now the other next races already started. >> point well taken. sara faris and julie tsirkin, ladies, thank you so much. two words trump taxes and actually one more word, when? new insight next to how lawmakers might keep that ball rolling in the new year. and with a new congress. d... leon the second... and leon... the first of them all. three generations, who all bank differently with chase. leon's saving up for his first set of wheels... nice try. really? this leon's paying for his paint job on the spot... and this leon, as a chase private client, he's in the south of france, taking out cash with no atm fees. that's because this family of leons has chase. actually, it's león. ooh la la! one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours.
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the house -- plans to do with donald trump's income tax returns. with a republican says they control of the house on january 3rd. the panels investigation into trump's taxes may soon finally reveal the full details of his financial dealings. if they can finish sometime. joining me now is david cay johnston, tax expert, founder of d.c. report.org. and author of the book, at the big cheat. welcome back, david, always
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good to have you here. any word on whether any or all of the ways -- have even seen the tax returns. how are they getting access. is any reporting on the texas servicing? >> no. simple answer is no. we know that richie neil, the former high school economics teacher who chairs the house ways and means committee. tax writing committee. had a caucus with democrats on that committee. and they have a number of options are what they can do. right up to -- putting the tax returns in the congressional record. richie neil is a very cautious man. he's not going to do anything that he thinks would in any way jeopardize any of the cases against donald trump including the possibility of the manhattan district attorney bringing a state and local tax case against donald. >> we know that it's generally illegal for the government to release an individual persons
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tax documents. so how might the committee make its findings public? is there a process by which the panel can release at least key information about trump's finances and put it, i guess under, the auspices of being in the public interest? >> when that's exactly what she would do. little history here. in 1924, after the teapot dome scandal and a scandal in the u.s. senate. congress changed the law. tax returns had been public. if you go back and look at these two perspective in, they would report this person made this much income and paid that much income tax. but the law stopped that. however, the law also granted congress the seem right the president has to look at anyone's tax returns. donald trump or joe biden could have and could today in the case of biden ask for your tax return, alex, and look at it. the committee receives the from of the irs. reason to put them out there. a little late to hold hearings.
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but remember that trump brought all this about by asserting that he was being persecuted by the irs for being a christian. never mind that he calls christians and writing this idiots and fools and smoke them says life philosophy is revenge which is anti-christian. that's his case. the motivation for the committee was, we should take ak at that as part of our duties. what can they do? little late to hold hearings. but minority committees, as the democrats will be next, or have enough to do this. more likely we're not going to see them in the short run. if they do come out, it's more likely to be in a prosecution in manhattan. >> you bring up a good point. time is certainly not on the side of democrats who run the committee and who are going to see control over what is january. you have the boston globe editorial board arguing that maybe the house can hand them over to the senate finance
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committee. the senate committee there. that does remain in democratic control. that perhaps it can carry out the unfinished oversight of irs audits. is that possible, david, or does the window on whatever actions can be taken essentially close in just a couple of weeks when republicans take over the house? >> i think that's would richie neil and the other members of the committee on the democratic side are talking about. they certainly can give it to the joint tax committee. that's the house senate tax committee. they also could give them to the senate and if we do see a hearing as the boston globe suggests. it's going to be from the senate. remember that the tax returns themselves aren't going to tell you everything. audits just begin with a tax return. and in the irs in normal procedure saying justify this line or this entry in your tax return. they don't have the business records. the only have the tax returns
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or more likely what's called the tax information. that is the data lifted off the returns. >> so if the panel finds evidence of financial malfeasance are they permitted to share the documents with other entities investigating the former president like the doj. and the 16 committee. >> i think for now they're in an area that is largely untested. the internal revenue service has revenue sharing agreements of information sharing agreements not revenue sharing, information sharing agreements. with state governments in some city governments. and so they exchanged data all the time under these agreements. that's why manhattan prosecutor can effectively go what's in the federal tax return. new york city tax returns and federal returns are virtually identical except for retirement income. i think this is the area that is of great concern to reach the neo-who's on the screen there holding up $1 bill. because he is going to be very
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cautious to make sure he doesn't create a new problem on intentionally. >> let me ask you quickly. with last week, the trump organization being convicted of tax fraud there in the new york case. prosecutors are now charged trump. but during the trial, closing arguments, they told jurors that he personally doled out of the book perks and approved a crucial aspect of this scheme. so how might the pervasive illegality that florist in his company informant we've seen his taxes? >> donald is known for manipulating values. so he can take more depreciation, which reduces your tax bill. understating income. it's just come out by that emerson at four was that trump had a number of unreported loans. including one to a company that wasn't for a long time the only south korean company allowed to do business in north korea. we all know about donald's relationship with the dictator kim.
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almost 20 million dollar loan. we don't know about. so there is a lot to be learned about donald trump's finances and he knows he's in deep trouble. >> david cay johnston, always a pleasure to talk, with you thank you much. space geeks standby, something happened pretty amazing. it just happened. over to show you if you missed it. it's all about that. artemis 1. maybe it's perfecting that special place that you want to keep in the family... ...or passing down the family business... ...or giving back to the places that inspire you. no matter your purpose, at pnc private bank, we will work with you every step of the way to help you achieve it. so let us focus on the how. just tell us - what's your why? ♪♪ nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid for twice as long as pepcid. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention
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less than an hour ago, the dramatic landing as nasa's orion spacecraft return from opening the moon. and it's pretty exciting. we have lindsey and -- lindsey reiser, back in the big board of this. we were so enjoying this one is going down about an hour ago. how did it go overall? were there any hiccups to the -- walk us through the big return to earth. >> i like, there is going to be post event press conference later today. so maybe we'll find out if there were any hiccups. as of right now, they are calling this textbook. let's go ahead and look at some of the live images right now the nafta is giving us. this really was the culmination of so many tests. testing the rocket system. the most powerful rocket system ever both so far. testing orion's heat shield. making sure that it could withstand 5000 degrees fahrenheit coming back into earth atmosphere. to give you an idea here of the flight path for a ryan, after leaving earth, around the clothes fly by of the moon. then flew disinterested return
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the moon. this is further than any spacecraft built for humans has gone. then another close fly by of the moon. that kind of help slingshot orion back on a trajectory for earth. so that women are gravity assists was really crucial. this splash down here. huge test for the heat shields, for the 1300 formal resistant tiles. big test for the parachutes to make sure that they could deploy unroll. bring orion from 24,500 miles an hour to zero at splash down. let's go ahead and show you some of what they are studying on this mission. remember, this was unmanned. but eventually the goal is to put humans in the orion capsule. there are -- mannequins on board with sensors under the seats. radiation vests. there were also mannequin wearing a new generation space suit. alex, the ultimate goal here. we'll have humans going on a ryan. hopefully 2024. to do the same mission a fly by in a deep space.
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and then eventually after that, landing on the moon again. with the first woman of the first person of color. here we're looking at an image to the moon here. with some areas where we've already been on the moon. these are two rover missions, when emissions, for 2023. for artemis 3, they are honing in on the south pole. why? because they know their sights in the region. these are some areas in the southern poll that they've already mapped out. each one is about nine miles wide. they have some decisions to make. right now, they are studying the orion capsule. they're going to take a couple of hours to do that. they want to make sure that everything looks good. and even though this is a huge sigh of relief, alex, after the celebration tonight, tomorrow is day one of the next part of the mission. >> it's so exciting. thank you for bringing us to assess what with your energy enthusiasm. i really appreciate that. thank you, lindsey. let's go now to today's other top stories. in ukraine, 1 million and a half people in and around odessa are without power.
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thorough. the jury was this committee is meeting right now going over critical parts of its agenda. the palace is cutting whether to make criminal referrals on any of its investigative targets. that includes donald trump. joining me now, north carolina congressman deborah's. by shortages cheri subcommittee on constitution civil rights and civil liberties. representative, roth's mantra being here. will the committee's report be released before christmas, is that a guaranteed? and what are your expectations from that report? >> so, yes, the committee's report is scheduled to be
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released on december the 21st. so that is before christmas. what i expect from the report is a thorough analysis of what went on on january 6th. what precipitated what went on on january 6th. and how the president and those around him responded after the insurrection. as we've seen from all of these hearings, they are taking a deep dive to create the historical record. of what happened on that horrible day in u.s. history. i am confident that they will fully flush out what happened, why it happened and who was responsible. >> if they do make a referrals, who do you think will be included? >> i am not on the committee.
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but i will say they are very thoughtful and meticulous legislators. and have great, great legal counsel. so whoever they recommend for criminal prosecution will be somebody who clearly, there is enough evidence to convict. and it would be irresponsible to do anything other than that. but i have great confidence in this committee, former prosecutors in the committee and a very thoughtful legislators. >> i completely agree with you say. i understand that you're not on the committee. but you heard everything that that committee put out there into the public realm. you may know even more than that given your position within congress. do you think donald trump will have a criminal referral? should he? >> i do not know. however, based on the evidence
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that the committee has put forward all roads lead to donald trump. and so we've heard from several witnesses. republican witnesses within the administration. that not only did the president know what was going on the. he held rio up that crowd and as we know, he is completely unrepentant about what happened on that day. >> indeed. let's move now and turn to the supreme court because the justices, as you know, are currently weighing a decision that could've and election laws across the country. in fact, the case was brought by republicans from your state of north carolina. after courts there struck down their attempt to redraw congressional districts in their favor. you are in the room. as the court was hearing that case will kind of impact will their decision have? >> their impact -- their decision could have an
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impact on how elections are conducted all over this country. not just now, but in the future. i think that the bed -- bass majority of the members of the court were very concerned about the theory that was put forward by the north carolina legislature. completely getting rid of judicial review. which is part of the foundation of our country. for how legislatures do election laws. when it comes to federal candidates and federal elections. there was a lot of skepticism in the room. there were a couple members of the court who clearly had bought into that theory. we did hear a lot of reservations from chief justice roberts, from amy coney barrett and even from brett kavanaugh. and so i am watching and waiting. but the most important thing is that they understand how
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what is most common things that you're hearing. what did they share this more surprising to you? >> most surprising thing for me is that people don't regret it. they're like yeah, i had to do this, otherwise that no other option. even though they're in debt, they're working maybe. they don't regret it because they see no other way they could've gotten even just a little bit of upward mobility. it's unfortunate but it seems like until we have bigger systematic change that this is what we're kind of stuck in the cycle. particularly younger people of color. >> give me a sense of what you hope to take away is of this. is it for the citizenry or is it for congress? >> i think it's for everyone. i think congress needs to understand and i think we see that with a lot of the new younger members. this chansley member of congress suggest tweeted about the fact that he couldn't actually get a house that he wanted to because his credit application --
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