on wednesday like most muslim americans i know i can now freely support morocco against france him and i assume you will be doing the same. >> i will be supporting morocco without a doubt i am all in on morocco and we'll see how it plays out. they're having a cinderella story. i do want to ask you, very quickly, you do know the english press better than i do, is harry kane gonna get let off a little bit easier than the way the english press went after macaya saka jordan santo and marcus rash for the penalties that they missed in the european championship? because we all remember the vile commentary that there is subject to online i haven't seen that against captain harry kane rightfully so he should not be that you know the bridge has better than i do. >> it's funny, look at the press you've got light line hearted the reason that they're gonna leave him alone, is

partly because he's, white but also look the other headline, harry and meghan. they can go after, meghan they give them another ally for the racist abuse, they don't need to go to black players as, time because that meghan markle. harry kane should be pilloried for, this and they shouldn't have been pilloried. we know that if his black, player and for shame because the world we live, in those black players are among the stars of the future generations that you just mentioned. >> and i'm excited to watch england in the future tournaments, my friend, it's great to see, you enjoy the rest that croissant, and enjoy the rest of your evening. off coming out on ayman, a new low -- tasteless comedy routine, for one conservative justice. then, the january 6th committee met today to discuss criminal referrals, what we know about that meeting, and inside the west wing. former obama white house photographer, pete suicide, joins me with an intimate look at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, like only he can.

i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. et started. all right, so this, week the supreme court had what might be its most consequential we cover oral arguments this term. two cases in particular were argued, that could effectively change america's we know it, and that's not been hyperbolic. when could change or political system, the other could fundamentally change our civil rights. our, show for months, has been closely following more versus harper, which is a case involves a dispute over north carolina's congressional map. -- they argue that it has supreme authority to create rules for federal elections, without, and i emphasize, without any oversight from state courts. it centers around a once fringe legal proposition known as the independent state legislator theory. and under this theory, legislators would have the

final say on nearly every aspect of federal elections, including the number of early voting days. the amount of polling places. and even whether the people vote for president should be ultimately accepted. and a version of this theory, if it sounds familiar to you, is because a version of this theory was actually promoted by trump allies during his attempt to overturn the 2020 election. here is justice kagan, laying out the stakes this week. . >> this is a proposal that gets rid of the normal checks and balances, on the way that big governmental decisions are made in this country. and you might think, that it gets rid of all those checks and balances, and exactly the time when they are needed most. >> now, tearing oral arguments, the court six conservative justices appeared split on the matter, roberts and barrett in

particular, appeared to skeptical of the maximal version of the republicans argument. as mark joseph stern -- it probably comes down to justice amy coney barrett thomas alito gorsuch and kavanaugh have all supported in the past. sonia sotomayor, kagan, and jackson, clearly have no desire to revive -- it so it serves as the ultimate test of her originalism. then that is the case in which the six conservatives appeared to be in, unison siding with a plight of an evangelical website design, or who asserts that work in the same sex couples, would violate her first amendment rights. some legal experts argue that a decision in the website of signers favor, could open the door to lgbtq discrimination across the united states, certainly limit their access to services. but the ramifications of this

case were overshadowed by samuel alito, for trying to turn the oral arguments into a comedy routine. alito tempted to joke about, quote, black children and kkk or should i say ku klux klan outfits, and it insinuated that he was familiar with a nudge of dulled website. so the end of the, week it fell to congress to bring seriousness back to the court. the house judiciary committee held a hearing and -- and a lack of enforceable ethics policies for nine of the most powerful people in america. committee chair jerry nandler, made it clear that we can no longer expect justices to operate an ethical honor system just because they should. >> the moral of the story is this. supreme court justices cannot effectively south police their own ethics. we shouldn't expect him to, without established guidelines,

nobody addresses impossible task of evaluating ethics without a clear standard. we have justices accepting overtures from individuals seeking to influence the court with little to no transparency. ethics should not be a partisan issue. >> joining me now is dahlia lithwick, she's an msnbc law and politics analyst, and author of lady justice. women, the law, and a battle to save justice. thank you for making time for us, let's start with this, case you and i have spoken about this, more more versus harper, many feel that it could up and democracy in this country as we know it. based on what you heard this, week is still a threat? to have any more clarity on where the court stands? . >> well, i would start with the proposition that we have to be so careful, about making assumptions about what happens in a case, based on what

happened at oral argument. every supreme court watcher will tell you, that they have been burned more than once by making predictions. but i think you're kind of assessment, and you cited my friend mark joseph stern slate, i think that's correct. i don't think i counted five very enthusiastic conservative votes for the maximalist, aka bonkers view of the independent state legislature doctrine. it felt very much to me, ayman, as of the justices you cited, particularly barrett and kavanaugh, we're trying to pick some middle path, that would cabin the degree of -- of what they did prove and also i also thought that john roberts was not on boards for any of this. >> in a new pc note or what you called a fascinating aspect of

this week's argument, which is ample evidence -- to many members of the supreme court seem to be inching away of from blatant democracy busting in a policy partisan war over democracy. do you think that weighs on the conscience of the supreme court justices. i know that sometimes we like to think of the -- look at the law, and less about the law, saying the but do they look at the it from their perspective of, this could've handled, democracy and they should take that into consideration? >> i, mean i certainly took a lot of heat for writing the most aspirational piece average in a long time, when i suggested that it felt as though, again, those three justices of the quote unquote center of the court, not gorsuch, alito, or thomas, they're all in for this. but the justices of the new center of the court, might be feeling a little bit of what the public was expressing in the midterms, which is we don't like election deniers, we don't

particularly like riots and violence, we don't like people attempting to set aside elections. and at bottom, that's what the independent state legislature theory is. it's a form of massive vote suppression, and of doing away with checks and balances, so my sense is that a court that is looking around, and we know john roberts, at least, is. and brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett to a lesser degree, are dubious about the public's respect and regard for the court, might be able to back away from a big big swing lawsuit, that has no merits, that has no constitutional at or historical basis, and would really be a part of this move to kind of end democracy. i don't think they are on board for that projects, and if you think about the ways that the court keeps batting way don't have donald trump, it feels like they're not on board for the component of trumpism, that is democracy, it's over. it's interesting to say that

way, because we are talking about democracy and political rights, the other case i wanted to talk to about was more about of civil rights, and that is 303 creative, do have designer in this case have never made a wedding website for at any one, it certainly is not -- over someone's sexuality -- >> this is a case that was entirely hypothetical, there's no harm done, an unlikely masterpiece cake shop, case which folks will -- i do want to make a wedding cake for same sex couple, there is no same-sex couple here, because no one's been denied services, no inside relief under the colorado public accommodations law. so right, what we kind of fill the void of having no parties on the other side. only one aggrieved party this

had no harm, it's a bunch of hypotheticals, and you said it in your intro, it led to some awkward comedy stylings. i'm assuming justice alito didn't quite realize what he was doing. what i was doing -- it eerily harming and so demeaning of the seriousness of this case. but for a lot of us who are watching, it felt kind of insulting. >> i feel, like for such a long, time we've held the supreme court in this country we put it on expel, still rightfully, so right? because it was such an important institution, it still is such an important institution, but i think the more we're seeing these justices and the way they reveal more of their themselves i think a lot of americans are getting on board with some need for reform of the supreme court if not expansion and in some

kind of ethical constraints on this powerful institution. delia lithwick, it's always a pleasure, thanks so much for making time for us tonight, we really appreciated as always. >> thank you. >> i want to continue this conversation with michelle goldberg a columnist for the new york times, an msnbc political analyst, and elaine beverley, a political strategist and host of our mares process cast. michelle, your reaction to the increased polarization of the supreme court, and how it hurts his legitimacy, this final point that i was just talking about here about how this institution that we were veered for such a long time, is no longer the institution that should be revered in the same way. >> well, i'm not sure it should've ever been revered. we came of age, in a unique situation, we can move at age -- when the warren court played a very progressive role in the rights revolution, but that is not the norm for the supreme court.

supreme court, throughout its history, has mostly been a reactionary, a reactionary institution. it's been a shake back on liberal progress. and that, sense aids just reverting to the meme. i don't think this frame court deserves any veneration whatsoever, it's a sorely political institution, and well it's a really -- is shocking that they never agreed to hear this case in the first place, instead of just dismissing it out of hand. i also believe this supreme court is not going to further investigating our lights and liberties, and not kind of taking a scalpel to voting rights. we can be glad it hasn't taken a sledgehammer to them. but you know, that's kind of cold comfort, given all the damage that this court has done.

>> -- americans, even before the overturning of roe v. wade, and especially since the overturning of roe v. wade, americans are increasingly growing less confident of the supreme court, that it is become more political, and not purely objective. . >> so the court has a public confidence problem, the public, largely, no longer believes that the supreme court is above person, ship above politics. and we have evidence of ginni thomas working with donald trump, and trying to overturn our elections. and clarence, thomas not been held to account for that. i -- stare decisis or judicial

precedent, just completely rebuilding the ambit of our laws. -- but with no appreciation for the way the constitution. and alito's flipping quips in this three a three case, is just further evidence of the ways of which this arch conservative alignment of justices. has very little -- is affecting the daily lives of millions of americans. so they have a public confidence problem. >> don't go, far we're gonna talk more later in this hour. democratic congressman mondaire jones joins me to discuss the suspect for a marriage act. but first, richard louis is here. >> pretty, ceo olivia man suspected of making the bomb of -- is in custody.

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representatives past the respect for marriage act which would guarantee federal protections for same-sex and interracial marriages. 250 to 169. and now heads to president biden's desk for signature. the legislation was spearheaded in the senate by henry baldwin, the most openly gay person elected to the senate, excuse me. it's no doubt a win for lgbtq rights. but the bill does have its limitations, notably, and allows religious organizations to deny services to lgbtq couples, according to their personal beliefs. joining me now to discuss, this and much more, is dak democratic congressman mondaire jones of new york. congressman, it's always good to see you, thanks so much for coming back on the show. your thoughts on the respect for marriage act. >> it's great to be with you, ayman, this is an incredible achievement, i'm really proud of what we've been able to do in the united states congress. we haven't got a filibuster proof majority over the senate, when does that happen?

this is something when i was growing, up -- under state law. i'm really excited about, this we've got a lot more work to, do you mentioned some of the challenges, another challenge is that this still does not ensure marriage equality in every single state in the union. and we've got to go further than what we've done thus far for that reason. >> i think some of us who have been watching the story closely, say they alarm bells i started to go off -- after justices concurring opinion, actor now overturn the opinion. because there is a part where you said that the court should revisit cases that established the rate of same-sex marriage. we know this country well, that is the signal to somebody out there to bring litigation for they can bring its way to the supreme court. are you afraid that the supreme court will take that step.

now the clarence thomas has signaled that he wants to see that, more or less? >> in fact, that was the impetus for this legislation. we saw in justice thomas's concurring opinion in tops, but they're gonna be a number of other rights that are taken away from millions of americans. in the same way that this far-right 63 super majority on the court, straightaway the fundamental right to the innovation that it lasted for 60 years and our constitution. so we want to get ahead of the problem, and we did that, but we also know that there are other things, on the chopping block. the right to contraception, the rate so many other things that we simply take for granted in our everyday lives. these are the problems that you have, we have the right has stacked the court with radical extremists. mitch mcconnell, for example, tenino won at the ability to appoint merrick garland to the supreme court. now we've got a 63 hyper partisan majority, that does not care about his own

precedence, even, and we see that in terms of relief it has provided, as well as marriage equality, and other things that has been doing. we expect these decisions to be rolled back, in the next few years, unfortunately. >> let's shift to the national defense authorization act, the house passed the nda this week, and it set at 858 billion dollars for spending, i think 45 billion dollars more than what the white house was asking for this budget. was that necessary? . >> no, it wasn't. i hear a lot of folks concerned about inflation in this country. i share their perspective. and in the same way i voted against the nda last year, i voted against it this time around. the ndaa is a holiday for lobbyists in washington, it has so many things in it that have nothing to do with the defense of our country, and it's why i've shown the political

courage to vote against time and time again. americans want to make sure, obviously, that our military has the resources that has. but as you just mentioned, we just, gave in the form of the nda 45 billion dollars more than the president even requested. and we all know that the president doesn't request more than he already needs, so that he has some extra and flexibility to do with it as we will, to protect our borders, and to defend our nation i can't see threats both foreign and domestic. but what we see here is the fact that special interests have a chokehold over the united states congress. and we have to start showing the political courage to get away from that. >> congressman, before we go, i want to discuss your time in congress. you talk about political courage, unfortunately a time as a congressman is coming up, i think possibly because of, political courage and the way you decided to run your race, and where he decided to run it, but let me ask you what is your proudest moment of your time in office, what do you hope to do

next? >> i appreciate that opportunity, obviously redistricting has been a nightmare in new york in particular, and it cost us the house which has been to the detriment of our democracy. i've done a lot of things as a freshman member of congress, one of the things i'm most proud of is having bridge divides but caucus of the time, to pass the largest diminished in our nation's history, in generations. and then of course, i'm also proud to have helped -- seniors on medicare, and like my grandmother, which is one of the reasons i ran for congress in the first place, as well as investing climate, action and in a way this nation has never seen. i would say to keep doing the same work up to save in our democracy, and keeping an eye towards a future that will. >> we will be your fruit and this network, and i don't want to say we hope to see run again, but if you decide to get back in the ring, you'll certainly have a fan of me, my friend, congressman mondaire jones,

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debt are the subject of the new msnbc documentary, lone wolf, switch premiers tonight right here on msnbc, after the show at ten p.m.. >> most of my salary is going into pain off by a student loans right now. but even with that, after four years of residency, i'm gonna basically mean $50,000 more debt. >> when it gets to like 45 million people, it's like this is systemic, maybe this isn't just a couple of people who made bad decisions. maybe this is actually an orchestrated scam. >> all right, let's bring back my sunday night panel, michelle goldberg and elena beverley, is could have both of you with us on this. michelle, do you see any scenario in which the supreme court upholds president biden's forgiveness program? >> i would be stunned if they did. i say that, really, based not on any kind of legal theory or legal analysis. i think this is a supreme court

-- and maximal constraints ahead are democrats in the white house. and i cannot imagine this the mueller and it's this. and >> elena, talk about the -- we heard that gentlemen in the clip, talk about 45 million or so who are impacted by student loans and then saying that is a systemic problem. there he, says a scam. >> it is a systemic problem, and i was heartened to see derek hamilton in the documentary that you guys are gonna be showing later this evening, because he would be the first to tell you the impact that student debt has on communities color, and particularly african americans, which are the largest percentage of student loan borrowers for higher education.

so, when it comes to student debt, it ends up being this relief, that becomes not just a financial cushion or play money, a few thousand dollars here and there, but the cancellation of student debt, and even some offerings of even $10,000 to $20,000 to pell grants students, and subpoenaed investment. it hasn't been investment in generational wealth. over 50% of african americans who have higher education student loans have loans that are greater than their net worth. so by providing some debt relief, we're actually ensuring that we're in some ways reducing the racial wealth gap, and helping to improve economic mobility for communities and students color. >> michelle, i guess not in a legal sense, but that aside for a, moment but in political sense, we know the politicians

make decisions for political interests right now. what's the political interest for this program for -- >> well, look the simplest argument it is what was promised on the campaign trail, and i think that we saw in the midterms, the importance of young people turning out to vote, and young people are going are not going to turn out to vote if they don't believe the politicians are keeping their promises to them, if they don't believe that politicians can make their lives better, and kind of address the most crushing material at emergencies in their lives. >> elaina, is there a way of the supreme court suit chooses down, there is another way to work student loan forgiveness? >> i think, the primary way of dealing with the issue of college debt, is one of affordability, so i think what we have is in tandem, the biden

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today to discuss whether they make criminal referrals on any of its investigative targets. the panel is weighing whether anybody in the scope of its investigation violated criminal law, and warrants urging the federal justice department filed charges. the public meeting is scheduled for december 21st, that's ten days for, now that the committee when they expected to vote on the release their final, reports and any associated referrals. my son in a panel is back with me. michelle, do you think the justice department would take action on these possible criminal referrals, and bring charges against on trump or someone else for his alleged role in trying to overturn our elections, on ten or six. >> i think that the justice department does bring charges, it will be based on its own investigation, rather than these referrals. my understanding is that is what members of congress expect

as well, because it's both kind of a public statement, this is what you do in congress, if you find clear and compelling evidence of criminality, we and hopefully the justice department will act on some of the findings with the panel -- because the panel is going, to i believe, earliest most of it. most of it is interviews, there's hours an hours and hours of video. so they've assembled this formidable public record for investigators in the justice department. and also in the states. >> elena, what message do you think would be sent if the committee did not issue criminal referrals? after all this work. >> that's complicated. agree with russia, at the doj, but clearly through their counsel looking immediate

connector on investigates, and follow the law. but i think there's real expressive value, in the committee actually making criminal referrals, and suggesting, to or sharing clearly with the american public, and with a historic record, the dak criminality took place, in their, eyes in their view, based on the evidence they were able to en masse. so by not actually making a criminal referral, the argument could be made that they're leaving it to be a blind slate for the department of justice, so is nonpartisan, in on politic. but i think based on all that they have done, hard the depth of the hearings, all the evidence they have amassed. they should come to a conclusion, about criminality. given the seriousness of this issue. >> michelle, let's switch to some developing news, the new

york post reporting that last year, at the republicans gala marjorie taylor greene joked that if she and steve bannon had organized january 6th capitol attack, quote, they would've won, and they would have been arms. your reaction? >> he shares a joke? i think this has there's no question that the trumpist wing of the republican party, there's been no question for some time, that they are pro insurrection, we know that donald trump recently did a fund-raiser for people who stormed the capitol. he's talked about pardoning them, it's sort of when, from and this often happens with republicans, from we didn't do, it or conservatives didn't do, it it was antifa, to we did it and it was a good thing. and that's kind of -- i think that there is, even if

she laughed, there, i think that they are dead serious, you hear again and again, from republicans, about the need to, kind, of take up arms about the current government being illegitimate, and so marjorie taylor greene is just much more blunt about it and most of them. >> elaine, your reaction to marjorie taylor greene's comments? >> oh, is unconscionable. look, all of her remarks have been so unconscionable, has struck the consciousness of the country. there's no way that she has any legitimacy, and the problem is the republican party refuses to denounce, or to say that she has no place in their party. and has not picked kicked her out and the more she's able to have this type of brazenly,

anti-democratic, racially -- all of these elements of her platform, the more she normalizes that type of communication, that type of action, and that is an acceptable way of leading. so that is my general reaction, she is abhorrent. >> michelle goldberg, elena beverley, thanks both of you for joining me tonight, really appreciate your insights throughout the hour. after the break, i'll be joined by former white house chief photographer, peter suzanna, stick around. ick around [baby yawning] let's get you home for the holidays. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪

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inside the white house, serving under barack obama and ronald reagan. and, in his most recent book, at the west wing and beyond, what i saw inside the presidency, he provides a rare look at really what really goes on inside the halls of power. luckily for us pete souza, joins us live now, pete, it's good to have you with us, this book has a different feel than your last, when the focus is more about the other staff to make the white house run. names that we might perhaps not no other than the president himself, right? >> that's right, i mean, this book focuses on people that helped make the presidency work. and, it is not just the employees, the obama appointees. i highlight the groundskeepers, the butlers, the chefs, the people that work at the white house, no matter who the president is. >> why did you decide to focus on, them or make them the subject of this book?

>> you know, this was really my covid project. i was looking through my pictures, and realized i did spend a lot of time photographing things away from the main action. it was a conscious decision, i never thought i do a book, but i started looking through my photographs i thought,, maybe i have something here, i think there is a fascination with, not just the west wing, but air force one, the motorcade, the helicopters, and i thought it would make an interesting book, for people to take a peek behind the curtain, show them what i saw. >> now, and it's certainly a fascinating book, the machine of how the white house works is incredible. some of my favorite photographs are really the lighter moments inside the obama white house, the basketball games, the dogs. was that atmosphere, from your experience, unique to the obama administration? or, did you see similar experiences from the two administrations.

you also covered the reagan administration. >> yeah, certainly i sought lighter moments in the reagan administration. i think the reagan administration was a little bit more formal than the obama administration. and look, you have to laugh every once in a while, we have to have some fun. because, there's a lot of stressful hours the take place within the white west wing. and every once in a while you have to have a little bit of fun. >> the book includes some images from serious and important moments as well, not just a fun ones, you mentioned. the situation room inside the oval, four key negotiations. talk about what it's like capture tense moments, while not taking up space. how do you reduce, yourself and reduce the camera, so the people around you are not, in one way, either performing for the camera, or mindful that you are there, and in some ways infringing upon what they want to talk about? >> i, mean i think a lot of it

had to -- i was in every meeting. i was there every day. i became like, part of the presidency. i wouldn't say i was a fly on the wall, but i was pretty close to being a fly on the wall. and i think i just had a knack, for being able to keep myself really on intrusive, and almost just kind of blend in with what was taking place. >> so i this became part of the everyday aspect of the presidency, and so many ways. >> i want to ask you about this image in your book for the final day of the obama ministration, the staff are doing final chase of the oval office, before donald trump enters, can you tell us what you remember about that moment that they. -- >> what i was doing was preparing to get a picture of president obama leaving the oval office for the last time, and i had this leadership set

up to get a wide shot of him leaving that door. -- brian mott, stellar and maybe a coma cheri his two personal, aides were just checking to make sure that we weren't leaving anything behind. you know brian was opening that door, that cubbyhole door which is famous from the picture of jfk junior, climbing through it, if you remember that picture from i think 1962, and the pharaoh in the background as just checking the drawers to see, if, by any chance, any papers were left behind? >> it is incredible. it's like when you're taking out of a hotel room, and you want to make sure you didn't leave your iphone charger in the drawer next to the bed. >> that that's exactly what was going on. that's exactly what was going on. >> there is just one image in the book that really shows biden in full view. what was like to be around joe biden. what do you think it's like to be in his administration now

selling it? do you think there are many stylistic differences, and then be difference in the town of pictures? >> yeah, i think adam charles, biden's photographers doing a great job. i've seen some of his work on the walls of the west wing. joe biden is one of the most empathetic and compassionate individuals right now. he's just a decent guy. obviously, his mannerisms are different from president obama, they are all slightly different. i think it would be really interesting too, maybe, i try to spend a couple of days with president biden, this next year, i love to do that just to see the differences. >> but, listen if there's anyone that has the connections, for pete, am sure you can make a few phone calls and make that happen. but, before we go, i do want to get your thoughts on something. naomi biden, the presidents granddaughter just got buried at the white house. you, yourself got married at the white house. that is a very rare group of

people. there's only been 1920s there. what is it like to be part of such a rare group, in history of this building? >> well, obviously, it was a great honor the president obama insisted on officiating are waiting at the white house. very small and private ceremony in the rose garden, and i'm kind of thankful that naomi biden did get married, and in a ceremony on the south lawn. so people can ask her about her wedding from now on, instead of me, talking about my wedding. >> who took the pictures at your wedding at the white house? >> check, hannity was one of the photographers that worked under, me and says the president was involved, he documented the wedding up. >> incredible. pete susan, it's always a pleasure, the book is the wet

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