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amazing. >> reporter: i know. i know. it's huge. you really feel it here because obviously qatar, the first arab nation to host the world cup. it's a win for the entire arab world. and so there's a lot of excitement, and so i think, you know, morocco could be the team to watch. you never know. they could pull it all off. >> first african country to get to the semifinals. thank you. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can always reach me on twitter and instagram at jdbalart. please follow the show online. i thank you for the privilege of your time. alex witt picks up with more news right now. ♪♪ good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt here at msnbc headquarters in new york city. we're following a very busy start to this week beginning with justice. more than 30 years in the making, in fact, for victims of
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the lockerbie bombing. the suspect accused of building the bomb that brought down pam am flight 183 in 1988 killing everyone on board is set to appear in a u.s. court today. family members of victims speaking out this morning. >> it's taken 34 years to get this far. and so we want this justice fast. >> it's surreal. it's overwhelming. it's -- it's -- i don't even know if i have the exact words at this moment. >> in moments, the new details we're learning about the suspect, including how authorities finally tracked him down with 10-year-old evidence. plus, new details about brittney griner's first days of freedom. her return to the basketball
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court sunday after 300 days in captivity. >> she jumped on the plane, said hi to everyone, shaking hands, saying thank you. winter storms wreaking havoc. communities from coast to coast are digging themselves out or bracing for snow. california blanketed in spots with more than 4 feet of snow while a separate system dumps snow in the northeast which caused dangerous driving conditions. we're going to track for you where the systems are heading with more than 50 million of us in their paths. we begin with the lockerbie bombing suspect making his first court appearance today. molly hunter has more from our london bureau. i'm joined by glen kirshner. there are still plenty of unknowns in this story. what do we know, though, about how authorities tracked down the suspect? >> yeah, plenty of unknowns is
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an understatement. we're looking forward to seeing the suspect in court, seeing what kind of information the doj and the fbi present, actually have in their hands. the biggest unknown, alex, the biggest question we have today is how did he actually get into u.s. hands? how did he get into u.s. custody. two years ago, just to back up a little bit, the doj -- this is where all of our current information is coming, the doj charged masud with two criminal accounts, alleging he had played a key role in the attack. in that indictment, they laid out that he knew how to build bombs between the years of 1973 and 2011. he will be the first libyan operative to be tried on u.s. soil in connection with this bombing. you've heard from a couple of family members. it will be a huge relief,
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seriously long awaited. take a listen to a couple other family members. >> it's taken 34 years to get this far. sadly, many of our family members have passed on. and so we want this justice fast. >> it's surreal. it's overwhelming. is he the only person? no. but is he a key person, yes. >> alex, and that is what the doj indictment alleges. he was not the only person in the original lockerbie trial where one libyan intelligence officer was convicted. the only person to be convicted in the lockerbie bombing. the prosecution's case always rested on the fact that there were multiple people involved in this. and it was always thought there were going to be hopefully more trials and more people coming forward. this is certainly a relief today. >> you think about these families, molly, 34 years and i
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think people may have forgotten that there were a number -- i believe 35 syracuse university students on that plane. they were coming home from the holidays after they had had a summer -- rather a semester abroad in the fall. you think about all that time that their lives were robbed and yet this man continued to live for 3 1/2 decades after the fact and lead a life pursuing whatever he wanted to, at least until he was spoken to by libyan authorities. with regard to legality of what happens next, i know we're going to speak with a legal expert, but can you talk about the sentiments. when we heard this here in the states yesterday, it was shocking. we thought, what? has it had the same sort of repercussions where you are? >> absolutely. it's going to be so interesting that the original lockerbie trial was in the netherlands with three scottish judges, of course.
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lockerbie, of course, is a town in scotland. but i think the other thing that's really interesting when we talk about what kind of evidence has come out, why this has taken so long, 34 years, alex, is a long time. the doj indictment two years ago which happened on the 32nd anniversary of the attack, that only came out three years after u.s. officials apparently got their hands on a 2012 interview where masud apparently at least provided evidence in some sort of confession when he was being held in a libyan prison under different criminal charges. there's going to be a lot of legal questions surrounding any kind of confession or what exactly was said on libyan soil, and i think the big question, obviously, and why there was so much surprise here on this side of the pond, alex, and why exactly he of course is in u.s. custody and being tried in the u.s. >> those are questions yet to be fully answered. you talk about the legal issues.
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we have glen to address those right now. 2017, u.s. officials get a hand on this tape, right? taped in 2012. an alleged confession to having made this bomb that brought down pan am flight 103 and yet the indictment came three years later. why so long? >> molly brings up a great point. i think one of the legal battles that we're going to see fought in this case moving forward, alex, is the admissibility of a 2012 confession by masud given to libyan law enforcement officials. the rules in different countries are different with respect to, you know, how officials can go about extracting a confession from a suspect or a detainee. i was happy to see when i was reading through the lengthy affidavit setting out the evidence, some of the evidence, we're going to hear more about it i think later today when masud makes his first appearance
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in court, but setting out the evidence by special agent from the minute rachel auto. it looks like the department of justice is fully prepared to deal with the admissibility of that confession taken by libyan officials. because they say in march of 2020, fbi agents interviewed the libyan law enforcement officer who obtained the statement from masud and this law enforcement officer expressed a willingness to testify at trial in the u.s. if the libyan government agrees to make the officer available. so today is a day for, i think, gratitude that masud has been brought to u.s. soil to stand trial. but there are more legal challenges ahead for the department of justice. >> gratitude, 100%. but it doesn't really quell the lingering questions. molly brought one up about how exactly the suspect ended up in u.s. hands. do you think there's a reason we haven't yet been told that? >> oh, i suspect there is.
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there are all sorts of sources and methods that were probably employed. here's the other thing, i don't know that we're going to get an answer to that question in today's court hearing because that will not really be the subject of what the judge has to decide today. the judge simply needs to arrange masud on the indictment and then make a decision that's probably a foregone conclusion, whether he's a flight risk or a danger to the community or others such that he should be detained pending trial. feels like an easy call. but it's still a legal determination, the judge will have to reach. >> thank you so much for updating us on this developing and breaking news. for all of you, we're learning new details this morning about brittney griner's first moments of freedom. new photos show griner pictured on u.s. soil there along with her wife cherelle and a key negotiator who helped secure her
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release. griner is in texas, but espn is theiring this story. quote brittney griner pulled on a pair of black chuck taylor sneakers and a t-shirt and picked up a basketball for the first time in ten months. her first act was a dunk. way to go. marissa parr joins us from san antonio, i'm also joined by former deputy assistant defense, and joined by global opinions writer and former teheran correspondent for "the washington post." jason spent 544 days in captivity in iran on espionage charges before being freed in 2016. it's a bold panel we have. marissa, with these new details emerging about how griner has
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returned home, you've just spoken with her attorney, but what have you learned? >> i mean, what a change we're seeing this weekend compared to what maria was seeing three weeks ago. this is the lawyer, one of the two lawyers that was representing brittney griner in russia and she was talking about how the last time she physically saw brittney griner was three weeks ago. she said that it was brittney griner's likable personality. she was so friendly that it helped with her treatment. she said that even the guards wanted to help her out and try to do the best they could to help her navigate. ultimately britteny was having a hard time adjusting. but the other thing was the cold. the severe winter is no joke in russia. and so take a listen to this. brittney griner made an adjustment to her physical
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appearance in order to adjust to the cold. while she was optimistic she would get out, she was mentally prepared to stay a little longer than she wanted to. >> she really was thinking about cutting her hair for some time. and as soon as she arrived, she decided it's time to do it. it's practical reasons. it's cold and you can't dry the hair. just more convenient to have short hair rather than very long dreads. >> and her lawyer said while she wasn't been in touch with brittney, she has been in touch with her wife. what a win for the legal team and, of course, for all of those who love brittney griner. >> absolutely. and i think happy is the operative word. i appreciate you using it there. jason, i want to go to you. my colleague jonathan capehart special with the envoy for hostage affairs who helped
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negotiate griner's release and he said something striking about the conversation that he had with her during their flight home. take a listen. >> tried to give her some space, look, you probably want to decompress after ten months in a russian prison. she said, i want to talk, i want to relate to people. and i found someone who was wonderful. kind, generous, interesting and above all authentic. >> and to add to that, also very positive, but you are someone who understands very much what brittney griner went through. what is your reaction to hearing that and i wonder if you could talk about your experience, how re-adjusted. >> it brings me back to the first days of freedom. i spent the entire 544 days in isolation and then in a cell with one other person. so you really want to reconnect with folks. i know in brittney griner's case, she was surrounded by
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people speaking russian all the time. the opportunity to just talk to people who share the same cultural references, experience, history is a big deal. at the same time you're very deliberate in those first interactions. and it took me awhile to kind of get my social grounding back, but i do remember just feeling as though i wanted to talk to people, i wanted to read and consume news and information. i wanted to know what i had missed during all that time. >> i can about imagine. evelyn, when it comes to the u.s., is it in a better or worse position now after griner's release for any potential exchange with paul whelan. he's still there. >> yeah, i think, alex, the reality is that vladimir putin probably was never going to trade paul whelan for anyone except someone they consider a spy. they consider paul whelan a spy. and vladimir putin is going to
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hold on to paul whelan. i think once he found that he had brittney griner, he probably made the calculation that he could try again to get viktor bout with brittney griner. the reality is that now the u.s. administration has to look for another exchange and there is one i think potentially in the offing, just based on media accounts, you know, the germans rolled up -- a january 6th coup attempt just last week. and one of the people they captured was a russian citizen and they said that citizen was supporting the effort to overthrow the german government. if that russian citizen was doing that, they are acting with the knowledge of the russian government, maybe they were a spy, and that could be a potential swap if the germans agree to it. the germans have another intelligence operative in their possession, but he's in jail for murder and the germans said he
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would not swap a murderer for anyone. so i think there are avenues that the u.s. government is approaching. the ambassador who is charged with negotiating these details for i guess dozens of americans who are being held, unfortunately, in various countries, and as he said in all of the interviews, his mind, even when picking up brittany, was on paul whelan. >> putin's perspective there, keeping he can keep an alleged spy and have a swap done for someone who is a proven and notorious global arms dealer. remarkable that perspective and balance there. let me ask you what you wrote in your most recent piece in "the washington post." here's the quote, this is the first step towards normalcy for griner and the first step to end hostage-taking. what do you think happens next or should happen next? >> as of last year, "the
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washington post" reporting that there are more americans being held hostage than by terrorists and criminal groups. so we've seen this uptick in the number of americans being held. it's in the 50s right now. and, you know, the likelihood of these people coming home with anything other than some kind of negotiated deal is almost zero. so i know there's a lot of pushback on the desire to do deals and a lot of criticism that this might make it more likely that foreign governments take americans hostage. it's the wrong question, though. the question is, what are we doing to deter this behavior? what are we doing to make it costlier, what are we doing to make it harder for them. we aren't doing enough. we haven't done enough. we haven't used the legal remedies that are available to us and i think it's high time we
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start doing that. >> i hope the biden administration is listening to that comment. thank you. this morning, new fbi data about hate crimes across the country. why doesn't it include data from the biggest police departments in this country? why congressional leaders are up against the clock to avoid a government shutdown. and take a look at this, sure, you expect snow at a ski resort. but like this? a chair lift at lake tahoe almost got knocked out of the air. that's straight ahead. f the air. that's straight ahead. can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could do. getrefunds.com has helped businesses get over a billion dollars and we can help your business too. qualify your business for a big refund in eight minutes. go to getrefunds.com to get started.
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we're following breaking news from the fbi this morning. the bureau just released its new report on hate crime numbers in the year 2021, but this picture is far from complete. an alarming amount of information is missing. only 65% of police agencies provided data, that is down from
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93% in 2020's report. two of the nation's largest police jurisdictions, new york and los angeles, were not even included. joining me now, ken dilanian and vice president of the anti-defamation league's west coast operation. i'm sure you're curious about this, robert. we'll get to you in a moment. ken, is there a reason why 2021's report is so incomplete? did we learn something from this one that it's been released? is it a complete picture at all? >> it's incomplete because the fbi transitioned to a more comprehensive national crime data reporting system. many, many law enforcement agencies were not ready this year and didn't submit any data at all. but even so, the fbi counted more than 7200 hate crime incidents in 2021 which is the third highest tally in a decade. that's with 65% of law
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enforcement agencies reporting. because of these inadequacies, they couldn't give us an accurate picture of the year-to-year increase while private researchers have found big increases in hate crimes across the board. the fbi is promising that things will be better next year. they've actually spent millions of dollars, the justice department has, providing grants to law enforcement agencies to transition them to this new data reporting system that they say will be more granular and comprehensive. right now it leaves a big gap in our understanding trying to look at a nationwide picture of hate crimes, alex. >> so, robert, does it -- putting out something that's incomplete like this, does it undermine the reality of the problem? does it add some confusion to it? would you have preferred that the fbi said we have some issues, maybe it's logistical this year, but we're going to wait to put out our report until next year. what are your thoughts on this? >> getting any data is critical because data drives policy and it gives us a sense of what's actually happening in communities across the country.
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but keep in mind that law enforcement agencies of which there's over 18,000 in the united states had advanced notice of a couple of years of this change that was happening, you know, in the current moment. so it's the little -- it's quite disappointing that we saw a 22% decrease in the reporting of hate crimes. and so if you look at what's happening across the country, particularly as was just said, this is the third highest number in a decade. it's probably -- if we had all the data, i think there's probably a good chance that we would actually be experiencing a record high in reported hate crimes across the united states. >> okay, well to that end, let's take a look together to the independent study. it came from cal state university which found hate crimes were up 21% in 2021 across 18 states. generally speaking, how much does this concern you and do you think had we seen a similar number from a more complete picture of police agencies reporting to the fbi, this would
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coincide with that? where -- are we underreporting this? are we undercalculating this issue? >> hate crimes are among the the most underreported of all crimes that occur in the united states. that happens for a number of reasons. and so individuals, victims are often reluctant to go to law enforcement. but i think our big concern here is that law enforcement -- even though they may actually have this data, is not reporting it into the fbi. and we need a comprehensive national picture of what is happening because that will actually help us respond in ways that we can work on hate crime prevention. ultimately we want to reduce the number of hate crimes. and these numbers don't reflect the type of bias that millions of people experience in their individual lives every day across the country. >> so, robert, give me a sense,
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given your position there, doing incident tracking, what is it that prevents a more complete picture of reporting? is it that people don't see something as being a hate crime or people are reluctant to report it? what's been your experience on that? >> there's a couple of reasons. one is, there is sometimes a natural reluctance of people to go to law enforcement for all -- for a host of reasons. and then i think most importantly we need to ensure that law enforcement are trained on how do they recognize the indicators. so a case may come in, someone may report something and there may be one or two bias indicators, but it's possible that it doesn't get categorized correctly. and so training the thousands of police officer who serve every day to be able to recognize the indicators of a possible hate crime is absolutely critical. >> point well taken. thank you, guys.
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opening statements are under way this morning in the second trial of oath keepers members charged with the january 6th insurrection. the four defendants are charged with seditious conspiracy. the start of this trial comes less than two weeks after the guilty verdict for oath keepers founder stewart rhodes and florida chapter leader kelly meggs. they were the first people found guilty of seditious conspiracy in decades. wind gusts more than 160 miles per hour. we're going to have an update on the massive winter storms on both coasts. more than a million people plunged into darkness in ukraine. we're live on how those residents are coping next. e cop.
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millions are under weather advisories this morning because of winter storms impacting both coasts. california got pounded with more than 4 feet of snow in some places along with heavy rain and wind and the northeast saw its share of dangerous winter weather. in fact, over a dozen vehicles were involved in a pileup in massachusetts as those slick conditions made for tricky
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travel. miguel almaguer has more on the wicked weather. >> reporter: i want to show you exactly what the sierra nevada is dealing with. this storm system was brutal. it blanketed this area. in 48 hours, there was more than 48 inches of snow in some areas. it even shut down interstate 80, a major thoroughfare across this area. there was concerns about avenue avalanches. while it looks beautiful, it's also dangerous. this morning, a storm system powering its way from coast to coast, packing a nasty punch, dumping snow, rain and ice. brutal conditions expected to impact more than 50 million people nationwide. it started out west, blanketing parts of the sierra nevada mountains with more than four feet of snow. whiteout conditions wreaking havoc at the national park. while torrentialle rains and
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heavy winds put millions along the pacific coast at risk, water rescue crews in orange counting hoisting a man to safety after a flash flood tore through a drainage canal. high winds also battering the region with wind gusts reported up to 169 miles per hour at a ski resort near the nevada border. at this popular lodge in lake tahoe, the chair lifts almost taking flight in the wind. dangerous winds also downing power lines and trapping drivers in their cars in northern california. >> whatever you do, don't get out of the car. >> reporter: all of a this part of an atmospheric river event, it's hammered with snow or rain. as that system works its way east, blizzardlike conditions are expected to hit the northern plains, while tornados and damaging winds could impact some
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southern states on tuesday. >> i'm not ready for this. >> reporter: overnight, a separate system bringing snow to parts of the northeast, including dangerous conditions in eastern pennsylvania where there was a rollover accident. this car flipped upside down on the side of the road. and by the end of the week, that same brutal storm system that originated off the pacific coast could also take aim at the northeast. >> there's another concern looming in this area, all that snow you see on tree branches could snap down some trees onto power lines and create power outages. it's also frigid here, just 12 degrees. all of the problems in this area now headed east. back to you. >> big thanks to you, miguel almaguer, for that report. joining me now bill karins. the question is, how bad is this storm system going to get and where is it going to hit the hardest? >> the central plains, alex.
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what we saw in california is going to be multiplied by two or three days in the plains and it's going to be blizzard conditions. almost impossible on the roads. we're worried about people getting stranded. they're going to tell people to stay home for two days in areas of western nebraska, especially. again, we want these storms in california. we need them to fill up these reservoirs. last winter, we had an active december too. tahoe, in the first 12 days of this month has had seven feet of snow. that's great for the skiers, but obviously it causes all the problems on the roads which you've seen. soda springs picked up 5 feet this weekend. right around tahoe, the donner pass area, 46 inches. some of -- they've had over 150 inches of snow already this ski season which is incredible. as far as what we have to deal with, 10 million people are under all sorts of warnings and
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advisories. focus on the blizzard warnings, wyoming, portions of nebraska, northeast colorado and heading into areas there a little slice of montana. what are we going to deal with? it's moving through the rockies today, that is going to slide into the mountains of colorado today and then we're going to take this into the plains. this is a big snowstorm. we get blizzards in the plains, but typically it's only 6 to 10 inches and then it belows around a bit. this is going to be up to two feet of snow and it is going to be wind-whipped, up to 60-mile-per-hour winds. that's why the highways are going to be impossible to get clear. and then on top of this, alex, we have to worry about severe weather with this. tuesday afternoon into the evening, maybe some nocturnal tornados possible, shreveport. when are we going to deal with this? it looks like it will turn into a nor'easter on friday.
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late thursday into friday, a little bit of wintery weather in areas of the mid-atlantic. here's the areas that have the best chance of heavy snow. not i-95, it could be an epic ski weekend. >> if you're going to be traveling, watch out. thank you very much, bill karins. >> this morning ukrainians are facing a new barrage of air strikes. russia launched a new round of attacks knocking out power to over a million ukrainians and hitting infrastructure in the east and the south. ukraine's president zelenskyy spent part of the weekend speaking with world leaders including president biden in hopes of shoring up more aid. let's go to ellison barber joining us from kyiv ukraine. talk about what you're seeing, what you can see, given the power outages, and also what you've learned about zelenskyy's calls with world leaders. >> reporter: alex, we're a little more east from kyiv area. but, yeah, i mean, you mentioned
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that phone call between president biden and ukrainian president zelenskyy. president zelenskyy's office is calling that phone call productive. they say it was fruitful. according to a readout from president zelenskyy's office, they say that the two discussed russian air strikes on ukraine's energy infrastructure and president zelenskyy talked about the importance of a capable air defense. ukrainian energy officials say 50% of this country's energy infrastructure has been damaged by russian air strikes. that's not the only factor at play. we often talk about these air strikes and the power outages when we see these big missile strikes and these massive, massive outages in cities like odesa. this is something that's a constant for ukrainians. president zelenskyy talked about it this weekend. almost every day, he said, there are hits on energy infrastructure, from missiles, drones and shelling, all of it is putting so much pressure on the grid, straining the system, that they're having to counter
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it and take power away from other people. so regular blackouts are happening here even when it's not, big cities following big strikes. this is a constant for ukrainians and we met one family dealing with it right now. they recently fled kherson. that city was liberated a month ago. they talked about the joy they felt when they saw ukrainian forces come in. they had been without power, without heat, without running water for a month prior to that. but once ukrainian forces came in, they said it felt like a light had been turned on. they felt hopeful. but the infrastructure in that area was so severely damaged, they still have no electricity, no heat, no running water in their home and russian forces were still shelling the city from the other side of the bank. they continue to do that today. three days ago, they made the difficult decision to leave everything behind and try to come to kyiv, a city that they felt was maybe a bit safer because it's further from the front lines. they still don't feel safe.
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listen. >> translator: we were saving money for the apartment and now we had to leave it. it should have been something really serious to make us leave all our things. >> translator: i don't think we're safe here either. there are 25 regions in ukraine. all of them are under russian strike now. >> reporter: we've had reports of attacks and civilian casualties today in the south and in the east. the regional governor says a town there was shelled and they say russian forces used cluster munitions. the two civilians are dead and at least ten wounded. alex? >> it is extraordinary the adaptability and courage of these people. it is inspiring. thank you. coming up, major new economic data due out this week. what it could show about the rising costs americans are facing every day.
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it leaves her free to focus on what's important right now. that's the planning effect. from fidelity. just four days, that is how much time congress has to pass a funding package to avert a government shutdown. they may have to pass a short-term agreement ahead of the midnight friday deadline. otherwise, lawmakers could stay in washington to try to keep the government funded. joining me now is garrett haake. welcome on this one. how many times have you gone through this before? they push this right up to the end. don't you guys want to do your christmas shopping? come on. really. when it comes to the big sticking points right now as, let's see, an election overhaul measure aimed at prevents another january 6th and other key issues, talk about all of them and how the negotiations
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are going? >> we've seen this movie before. congress loves a deadline when it comes to their spending bills. once again, they're right up against it. that's when they tend to get most of the work done. you mentioned that election interference bill, that's one of the things that might get tacked onto this. but we're talking about a spending bill here at the end of the day and the disagreement is over money. specifically a difference between republicans who want to see a defense spending at a higher level than nondefense spending. democrats like to achieve parity there. they like to see the top numbers the same. republicans are arguing that democrats spent a bunch of money on democrat-only spending measures like the inflation reduction act. they're saying, we don't want to sign onto more domestic spending. that's where the fight lies here. we've been hearing from members over the course of the weekend, including just this morning, congress usually does find a way to get these bills paid for the next year.
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when there's not some overriding political issue that might push us towards a shutdown. that seems to be where we are right now. they need more time to finish it and they might have to give themselves more time, perhaps into next week to finish drafting a massive, you know, multi, multibillion dollar bill. so far, alex, no sign we're turning the lights off friday night. >> that's a relief. thank you very much for that. let's turn to a new segment that we're rolling out, cnbc on msnbc reports. we got you covered with markets, the economy and how it impacts you and it is going to be a big week for the economy with the fed expected to meet tuesday and wednesday leading to another potential rate hike announcement. but first, tomorrow we are expecting a new report that could shed new light on the big issue dominating so much of our lives, inflation. the consumer price index will show whether the hot economy is cooling at all. so far, the markets appear to be optimistic right here.
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we have the dow currently up almost 257 -- 255 points. but we have morgan brendan with a big welcome to you. let's talk about what analysts are expecting in this report and how it's going to affect the fed's two-day meeting the week. >> first of all, let me say, it's great to see you and to be joining you today. but that question is very much the one that is going to move markets this week. in terms of the consumer price index reading that we're going to get tomorrow, economists are expecting a 7.3% increase for november, the pace of the growth of inflation versus the same month a year ago. that is a very high number. the good news, it's actually a high number that is moderating and not as high as it was. so if we are to get that type of reading, that is going to be a little bit lower than what we saw in october, a little bit lower than what we saw in september, and a little bit lower than the high we saw in that pace of inflation back during the summer. it really gets to the crux of what is going to be debated by
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federal reserve officials in this two-day meeting that starts tomorrow and how that inflation reading is going to factor in. what do i mean by that? it's not the size of the interest rate hike that we're going to get on wednesday that markets are focused on, it's this idea of keeping rates higher for longer into 2023 and beyond. it has been widely anticipated and this could always change depending on the reading tomorrow, it's been widely anticipated that we're going to get a half of a percentage point interest rate hike on wednesday. that would be a very big increase. coming off of four jumbo sized three quarter point interest rate increases, that too represents a moderating pace in terms of tightening financial conditions. what cpi and other data points we're looking for, including more labor data points are going to signal is how long, what the trajectory is for continued rate increases into 2023 by federal reserve officials and whether to keep them there for longer.
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it has been a month since the murders of four university of idaho students and still no suspects and no motive. local officials along with the fbi say they continue to receive tips in the investigation including on a vehicle they believe was seen near the house around the time the murders were committed. steve patterson has the very latest. >> yeah, the university of idaho campus is still largely deserted now that winter break is underway. the university had its winter commencement on saturday. it was a poignant day as one of the victims should have been walking. >> it's been a tough few weeks for our community. >> a subdued and somber ceremony over the weekend. pomp and circumstance mixed with grief. >> ethan -- were taken from us
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far too soon by a senseless act of violence. >> the victims honored with a moment of silence. one of them should have been crossing the stage to receive her diploma. ♪♪ and on what was supposed to be a joyful weekend, fears that a killer could be walking among them. the police issued a warning to the crowd urging the community to stay vigilant and travel in groups. >> you'll see us around the commencement and around town. >> police are still searching for any suspects and murder weapon responsible for the murder of four students in their bedrooms almost a month ago. officials said they're looking for more information about a white hyundai elantra. the police are betting the influx of tips related to the car. the campus quieter than ever as
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winter break begins. for those remaining, a struggle to remain a sense of normalcy. >> how does the town heal from this? >> time is a big thing for sure. but also, just like embracing the community of moscow. >> for a community still waiting for justice, a cold winter settling in. >> so officials say they are determined this case will not grow cold. there's something like 50 fbi agents working the case and local police insist they still have the same amount of staff and those tips by the way, continue to flood in without any indication that momentum is slowing down. back to you. >> thanks. well, artemis 1 is back on earth after a hugely successful mission. it slashed down on sunday. nasa teams called the reentry textbook. it traveled more than a million
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