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we've got breaking news as we come on the air with the lockerbie bombing suspect set to be in federal court for the first time as we speak. what we're learning about the man accused of building the bomb that brought down pan am flight 103 more than three decades ago, one of the worst terror attacks in history, with hundreds of americans dead. our team is inside the courtroom. also happening now in washington, the national security adviser, about to give an update from the white house, that's what you see on the right-hand side of your screen, potentially about the release of brittney griner and the push to free paul whelan. the biden administration officials meeting today to talk about his case. we are live at the white house with the latest. plus, a look at what exactly the january 6th committee's
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final report may look like, down to the eight chapters and the focus on former president trump. the reporter behind that scoop will join us in a little bit here on the show. i'm hallie jackson in washington. good to be with you on a monday afternoon. i want to bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian at the department of justice and paul butler here with us, an msnbc legal analyst. ken, talk about the expectations for the first court appearance getting started i believe as we speak. >> i believe this is like any other appearance by a defendant, the first person accused in this crime brought to the united states. abu agila mohamed masud is his name. at this particular hearing, we're not expected to hear much about the situation, but he will be read the charges, red his
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rights and offer to appoint a lawyer assuming he can't afford one, a public defender and then a discussion about bail, and the justice department will ask that he be detained without bail, it is assumed. we are not expected to hear anything about the mysterious circumstances under which the fbi got him here. all we know is he arrived on a plane yesterday, the justice department officials have been very tight-lipped about how they captured this man, how they got him. >> is there anything we can see in the court documents that would help us understand that at this point? or is that under lock and key, if you will? >> there will be an indictment, that will be unsealed after this hearing, and that may shed some light on it, it may not, i wanted to say also, hallie, this is such an important moment for the families of the victims of this horrific crime, and i think we have some sound. take a listen to one father who lost his 16-year-old daughter who had been an exchange
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students on that plane. >> her belongings were scattered all over the lockerbie countryside. we got her passport and we got her notebook. and the notebook had, on the cover, the quote, no one dies unless they're forgotten. and i try to live by that. >> you try to remember her always? >> an every day thing. >> 270 lives snuffed out and the alleged bomb maker brought to court in the united states. >> ken, thank you. we'll check back in when we learn more. paul, let me go to you, and clearly, the grief is still so fresh, even though this is something that happened more than 30 years ago. talk about this kind of time frame here, when you are looking to take action against, in this instance, a suspected bomb maker in this case. >> yes, hallie, a big burden for the prosecution, two substantial
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problems. the first is proving beyond a reasonable doubt something that happened 34 years ago. any case that happened that long ago, evidence disappears, memories fade. this has never been a cold case, and the fbi, along with british law enforcement, have been working the case since it happened back in 1988. the other big issue is whether the prosecutor can get the suspect's confession and that will be the most probative evidence against him. there are serious concerns about the circumstances, allegedly taken from a libyan prison and it was made claim that it was coerced and shouldn't be admitted to a u.s. court. >> paul, thank you, please stand by for the hour. appreciate it. let's talk about what is happening at the white house. and the white house national security jack sullivan set to brief reporters any minute, as we take a quick look at the briefing room, empty microphone lectern there. and the national security council has a key meeting to try to figure out a path forward to
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try to get paul whelan freed. he is in prison in russia under what the biden administration calls trumped up espionage charges as brittney griner is settling back in at home with her family and apparently in good spirits according to one of brittney griner's russian lawyers who talked with nbc news today, in her first tv interview when brittney griner was swapped for russian arms dealer viktor bout. >> i'm in touch with cherelle and her agent and sent some photos and videos of them together, smiling, so i think it just is like great news, i think everybody is happy, just before christmas. >> let me bring in nbc's josh lederman covering the white house. we expect to hear from jake sullivan in a second. as the national security meeting is set to focus again on paul whelan. you who do they get him out? what is the push? that is the question now for days, ever since news of brittney griner's release first
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broke. what leverage does the u.s. have left to get paul whelan out? >> that meeting taking place today, not only with members of paul whelan's family, but also with white house officials, with state department officials, and representatives from other agencies who are part of this effort to try to bring paul whelan home, and i spoke with the senior official who said look, we're not having this meeting necessarily because of some big breakthrough, that this is part of their regular work, but that it certainly is informed now by the discussions the u.s. had with russia to secure brittney griner's release, and the state department is saying that the message in today's meeting with the paul whelan family was consistent with what the u.s. government told paul whelan himself when they informed him by phone of the fact that brittney griner was being released, saying that the u.s. had not forgotten paul whelan, and will seek every avenue possible to bring him home. so of course, the big question is what are those avenues, now that clearly we have learned that russia was not interested
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in discussing his case, as part of a prisoner swap for viktor bout involving brittney griner. the u.s. envoy for hostage negotiations said that there are still chips for the u.s. to play here, but the big question is, what will the u.s. be willing to do that russia would actually seek to bring home? when clearly this was not a deal they felt they could do just a week ago, when they brought brittney griner home. >> what are those chips, right, josh? we know there is more on that but it is not public. >> all we really know from u.s. officials is that russia had made demands that made it clear to the u.s. that it was not a good faith negotiation. including seeking the release of russians who aren't even in u.s. custody, which would mean it would really be out of the u.s. control to give russia what it was asking for in those negotiations, but beyond that, we don't know what else russia might be asking for that the u.s. could entertain, although
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paul whelan, when he spoke to another network, said he believes that president biden needs to do whatever it takes, regardless of the cost, to bring him home, because he said he is in a precarious situation, hallie. >> regardless of the price, josh, thank you. let me turn to morgan chesky live for us in texas. we're learning more about brittney griner's condition after she landed of course in texas, has been adjusting to life back home, as you saw the first tv interview since brittney griner has returned to the u.s. talk us through it. >> reporter: optimistic news so far. brittney griner and her wife are standing near here, and underwent an evaluation at the medical center behind me. early reports suggest so far, so good. her agent did speak to espn saying in addition to having that live workout with the trademark dunk, a special delivery of barbecue arrived for brittney griner to check in with family and friends, and share with them. after she arrived back home.
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she has come a long way. the ten months in russian captivity. we know she was not always in good health. here is what her attorney had to say about a recent ailment. take a listen. >> she has signs of flu, nothing suspicious of outstanding, just the flu, honestly. but when you are in jail, it's a bit more worrying. >> reporter: troubling to have to deal with a sickness in a russian penal colony. but again, earlier reports suggest that brittney griner is optimistic and in good spirits. we are anticipating a statement from her at some point this week. according to her agent. at which point she says that brittney griner will share hopefully her future with the wnba, and the phoenix mercury, but as of right now, she says that message is solely
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brittney's to share. >> morgan, thank you. we will keep a close eye on what is happening at the white house briefing room. we're also looking at the administration pushing back on congresswoman marjorie taylor greene who is claiming she would have won the capitol riot if she planned it. what her office is now trying to clarify on that front. plus an nbc news exclusive. why defense officials are considering sending more u.s. troops to ukraine and live to the pentagon in just a bit. and with the january 6th committee final report, what it could look like and we will talk about what we expect and how soon we could see it. in just 60 seconds. soon we could see it in just 60 seconds with prevnar 20®. a pfizer vaccine! so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i'm asking about prevnar 20® because there's a chance pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you're 19 or older, with certain chronic conditions like copd, asthma, diabetes, or heart disease
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criminally refer over to the department of justice. with our nbc news team reporting they haven't made up their mind just yet. also the question of what is the formal presentation the committee is planning to make? what does it actually look like, right? we have new reporting with new clues on what the report will say, including what they describe as a voluminous executive summary, about former president donald trump's culpability for his repeated baseless push to overturn the 2020 election. and they also report at least two chapters entitled the pressure campaign by prufrm and his then vice president mike pence, and the 187 minutes in which trump refused to tell rioters to leave the capitol. i want to bring in the political congressional reporter with the scoop on the by line. and you are indicating that the report itself is expected to add texture to an extraordinary case already laid out by the committee about the defeated president's effort to thwart the peaceful transfer of power. >> it seems that some of this is
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trapped along the lines of the public hearings that we saw over the summer and into the fall. tell us more. >> that's exactly right. what we're going to see here, the report has not been finalized, but these chapters very closely mirror the public hearings over the summer, pointing out each part that the committee saw about sowing distrust about the election and whipping up the mob and refusing to call it off. and the package comes all together. as we reported, people familiar with the report, said that there is going to be this huge summary at the top of it, really laying out trump's culpability. and at the same time, it is not going to stop with trump and it will pull in all of the investigation, over 1,000 witnesses and reams and reams of documents tand remains to be seen exactly how they will show it, and committee members are pretty mum how it will be, but we know for now that they are looking at the 21st. >> there has been a lot of talk, and you've done reporting here
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at nbc news, the five investigative teams on the committee here, talk to me about that piece of it. there is a question leading up to this how much each team would end up contributing to the finale document. >> the committee has worked at how to come up with a compelling narrative that people will be able to tune in to, while at the same time fitting all of this information into, you know, a concise and clear report. so people in the committee have stressed all along, is figuring out what makes the cutting room floor, for the conclusion of the report. at the same time, we know that there is going to be all of the appendicies included with the report. so even if information doesn't quite fit the main narrative and make it there, it will be included in some way, and it appears from the reporting, that it is going to pull from all of the work that the team has been doing. looking at extremism and looking at the money trail, for example.
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>> nicholas wu, thank you for bringing us such great reporting. appreciate it. i'm sure you will be doing much more of it over the next eight days or so. >> marjorie taylor greene, as we talk about the hill, trying to explain, she says, what she said about the january 6th insurrection over the weekend. saying that it was sarcasm. and to quote make fun of joe biden. to catch you up, she was at a republican gala in new york on saturday, insisting, i'm quoting here. she said, if steve bannon and i had organized that, we would have won. adding that it couldn't have been conservatives who make up the bulk of insurrectionists because they were not armed. fact check here. several arrests and prosecutions have happened for guns who brought them there illegally that day. >> and the office is trying to say this is just a joke even as she is getting backlash from the white house today on this. >> that's right, hallie. and this is often the tact with marjorie taylor greene after she says something that is relatively controversial, she
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tries to wiggle out of it by saying it was a sarcasm or a joke but the white house is not buying it. this is what andrew bates, the spokesperson for joe biden had to say earlier today. it goes against our fundamental values as a country for a member of congress to wish that the carnage of january 6th had been even worse, and too boast that she would have succeeded in an armed insurrection against the united states government. this violent rhetoric is a slap in the face. and we asked marjorie taylor greene's office today to try to explain exactly what she was saying during this speech to a group of young republicans in new york city over the week, and this was her response. the white house needs to learn how sarcasm works. my comments were making fun of joe biden and the democrats, who have continuously made me a little target since january 6th. of course, we know, hallie, that even if she were joking, that there were, there was no one joking on january 6th, and that there were people here that came
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to the capitol with weapons, many of them using those weapons, and we've seen for some time, you know, the leaders associated, connected to, and the former president himself, trying to wish away some of their comments, saying they don't exactly mean what they say, but then people act on some of these calls. so this is something that, you know, the january 6th committee is looking into, how this rhetoric fuels that kind of violence, and this is something that marjorie taylor greene is trying to explain away yet again. >> ryan nobles, live for us on the hill, thank you. still ahead on the show, rounds two for the oath keepers. what some of their members, now in a second seditious conspiracy trial, over their role in the capitol riot, how prosecutors are just in the last couple of minutes laying out their opening statement to the jury. plus, the brand new subpoena from the d.o.j. special counsel jack smith. we're talking about it next. we're talking about it next. ♪ ♪ ♪♪
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we are following more january 6th-related news with opening statements happening as we speak in a courtroom here in washington. in a second trial against people affiliated with the oath keepers charged with seditious conspiracy, among the most serious charges that prosecutors have brought so far at all. from just a couple of weeks after a jury found two of the oath keepers leaders guilty. and why is this a big deal? well, the guilty verdicts were the first for that kind of a charge for decades. it doesn't come around often and now the span of weeks the d.o.j.
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is gone for round two. the four suspects are charged with seditious conspiracy for their alleged role on the attack of the capitol and all four pleaded not guilty. julie ainsley has been monitoring this, and as we look at the statements from the prosecutor, the prosecutors are essentially trying to lay out the case that these defendants in their own words were at war. cribe describing them as warriors as they went to the capitol that day. >> and this is a new test for the justice department. they were able to get the seditious conspiracy charge convictions for some of the oath keepers leaders but others in the first trial were not convicted on seditious conspiracy, and now the question is can they get others who were a participant in the insurrection, on the capitol, as part of the oath keepers, can they also be charged with seditious conspiracy? and right as you laid out there,
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two of them were part of the first group of the oegtd keepers who were pushed into the capitol in a military stack and they form themselves in a triangle and how someone might respond to a mass shooting if you're part of a law enforcement, and an impenetrable group of people to force their people into the country past law enforcement. and vallejo, another defendant you put out will, is charged with being part of a conspiracy where they had a cache of weapons in an apartment, in a hotel across the river in arlington, virginia, they were never used but apparently part of a plan if they needed them, if they needed more arms to go into the capitol. and so now these people will have to defend themselves, just like other oath keepers did, saying that this is not part of an overall plan, that they were merely there responding. and another thing we may see from the defense is that they were just following some of the rhetoric from former president trump. that was certainly a defense that we saw in the first trial. and that could point to more trouble, as we know there is a
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special counsel case, revolving around the former president and his actions on january 6th. >> julie ainsley, keeping on top of this for us, thank you. breaking news coming in. just the last couple of minutes here. as we're learning the justice department special counsel now, looking into all things january 6th related, has sent a new subpoena to a local official, this one in georgia and it is a name you probably recognize. the secretary of state brad raffensperger, as officials we know of, in five states at least, have been subpoenaed in this investigation, in jack smith's investigation of january 6th, and the former president, let's bring in nbc news correspondent blayne alexander and i think people remember secretary raffensperger, because he was the one on the receiving end of the phone call in which the former president insist he find the votes, quote-unquote, in georgia and a clear sign of the investigation. >> it is a clear sign that the investigation is moving beyond just the day of january 6th
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itself and looking at the bigger picture and the events surrounding that. you talk about the infamous phone call, that happened january 2nd, a few days before january 6th and it is clear that is being looped into this part of the investigation. now, in speaking with raffensperger's office, they did confirm the subpoena was received but they said at the request of the d.o.j., they're not commenting any further. but according to a source who is familiar with the subpoena, we understand that this is seeking documents from the secretary of state, right? this is a two-page subpoena that is seeking documents, but it's not asking the secretary of state to come in and testify or appear in person. i think that is an important distinction to make there. we also know that it was dated last friday. it wasn't received by his office until today. now, when i asked about what sort of response may come from the secretary's office, and the timing on that, i was told that his legal team, secretary raffensperger's legal team, is currently reviewing legal options when it comes to a response. but hallie, yes, it is
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certainly, when we think back on that phone call, more than an hour-long phone call, you will remember that kind of shook up the runoff time, that was essentially when the former president was asking the secretary of state to, quote, find enough votes to overturn the election and that is something that secretary raffensperger testified about on capitol hill during the january 6th hearing and launched an investigation of its own in fulton county, georgia, where that phone call was received. so certainly interesting now that we're seeing it have some bearing on the d.o.j. investigation as well. >> blayne alexander, thank you very much for that reporting. thank you. exclusive new nbc news reporting, ten months into the war in ukraine the pentagon is looking to boost the push to keep track of the weapons that the u.s. is providing to ukraine. according to three senior u.s. officials there are now talks about whether that could include sending a small number of additional u.s. troops to the country. the president was asked about this this afternoon, whether more u.s. troops will be heading to ukraine. here is what he had to say.
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>> are we sending troops to ukraine? >> yes. >> no. we're sending material, billions of dollars worth. >> this comes amid the backdrop of a political battle here with the republican majority incoming and signaling that they may not be so psyched to provide more money, including, and i'm quoting here, a blank check to ukraine. courtney kube has more. talk about the reasoning that you're hearing from officials about why the pentagon wants to track these weapons and what the broader implications are. >> a combination of reasons. number one, the most immediate one, is the fact that they want to make sure that the weapons going to ukraine are still being used, that there is some accountability for these billions of dollars that president biden just mentioned the u.s. has been sending to ukraine. but in addition to that, there is the political element. there is a large expectation that in january, when the republicans take over the house of representatives, that there is going to be a number of
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hearings, and calls for more accountability, for these billions of dollars that are being sent there, so some in the biden administration are just trying to get ahead of that. one of the ways they have been doing this is they sent a very small number of u.s. military personnel forward to kyiv, to begin this accountability mission. they have gar codes, there are scanners, many of the weapons in the system have bar codes on them and they're trying to get a sense of how much of the equipment, where it is, how it is spent and whether it is being used, and whether there has been a lot of battlefield loss. according to the officials we spoke to, my colleague and i, that there have only been a very small number of missions, only a handful, outside of kyiv, to actually track this accountability, so the pentagon and the military leaders are now looking at ways to shore up this mission. and that could include a very small addition to the military personnel who are already there in kyiv, it is a small number, and the goal is to get a better
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sense of what exactly is happening with some of these weapons systems. the officials said a-so far all of the accounts, all of the information that they have is that the weapons, the kwimtd, is getting to the front lines, it is getting to the ukrainians, for this fight against the russians, but they just want to be able to say that they have done everything that they can to ensure that accountability. for these billions of taxpayer dollars that are expected to continue in the coming months and potentially year. hallie. >> courtney, thank you very much. more nbc news exclusive reporting coming up right after the break. as we learn that survivors from the deadly colorado lbgtq+ club shooting will testify in front of congress this week. we have a preview. and a closer look at growing threats against community members after the break. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's one that'll really take you back. wow! what'd you get, ryan? it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual!!!
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the first into nbc here this afternoon, with the house of representatives, planning to host club q shooting survivors this week, in a hearing on violence and threats against lbgtq+ people, less than a month after that club shooting in colorado sprins. the house oversight hearing comes as we see an increase in hate crimes against community members. here's what we're not seeing a more clear picture today from the fbi on how much hate crimes overall are on the rise across the country. that's because the agency's new highly-anticipated annual hate crime report is not complete.
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according to the fbi, you can see it on the screen, they have only collected data from 65% of law enforcement agency, meaning we don't know how many hate crimes happened in 2021, that is partly because of a switchover to a new database reporting system that many agencies, at least some of them, have not fully caught up to yet. i want to bring our guest to talk more about it. we talked about how the fbi now has an incomplete assessment of hate crimes around the country, but i know that they are monitoring the situation, and there is cause for concern in all 50 states, attacks against lbgtq events for example, and concerned not only legislatively in congress, but at the state level, too. what else can be done? what do you want to see happen here moving forward? >> a lot needs to be done. and i think one of the things that you mentioned is that we have seen an increase, we've seen over 150 attacks or threats
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to lbgtq events this year, that's unheard of. in addition to the legislation that you just mentioned, we just did a report that came out, that was fielded the week before the club q attack, that said 48% of lbgtq respondents don't feel safe in america today. and 72% of trans gender folks don't feel safe in america today. just living in their own community. we need congress to act. we need to see more accountability for the social media platforms, because what happens is that we have these politicians who are politically motivated, targeting our community, sending out lies, misinformation, disinformation, and then on social media, it's getting average fied, and people are being -- amplified, and people are being targeted, and
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what happens is we're seeing real world consequences, club q sadly was not surprising to us. we saw this coming. we didn't see it specifically at club q, but we've seen the rise in rhetoric, we've seen the rise in hate, and we're seeing the rise in violence against our community. >> you bring up club q, we have that reporting here on nbc, that some of shooting survivors will be testifying here, in front of congress. at some point this week, on wednesday. to be able to share what they've gone through, what they wanted congress to do, and i understand you will be a part of that. and chairman maloney, as part of her opening statement will have a message from you. what is your message? >> my message is that we have to act now, that we have never seen up extremists and radicalization against the lbgtq community, and that we need protections in place. and that our security is at risk. i mean even the department of homeland security issued last week a statement saying that we
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are more targeted than ever as a community. so i think that my message is that this is a crisis level. we need action from congress immediately. >> you talk about action from congress, but as you well know, republicans will take the house majority next year, and will have limited power in that chamber, to hold committee hearings, like the one this week, or perhaps not, right? how much is that of concern for you as you look ahead to 2023 and 2024? >> it is a big concern for us. it has been an ongoing concern. and that's why we wanted to have this now, to raise the flag, and to raise awareness and education around this. i think that, you know, i believe in the greater good here, and i believe that when we lay out the case of what's happening to our community, good people will rise to the occasion, and take the mantle here, because it's just too dangerous, and especially
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against our lbgtq youth. all of this rhetoric, all of this hate and vitriol is affecting men the most. the cdc just reported that last year, one out of every four lbgtq youth attempted suicide. this is a horrible way to be in existence and to live in this country today. it's unsafe for lbgtq people right now. >> i'm sorry that i stepped on your words. an important bill passed the house and senate, and president biden will sign it into law tomorrow at the white house. you will be there. you tweeted about it. saying it is one of many steps needed to protect lbgtq + people at the federal lefl. there is criticism of the legislation, notably from jick obergfeld part -- jim obergfeld,
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in part of the landmark ruling that protected rights. and this is a crisis, as you said, and action needs to happen now. >> so there are several things that need to happen. and you know, it never goes far enough. we're always taking people's scraps, it feels like, as a marginalized community. so i totally hear what obergfeld is saying. and then i say we need all of the protection, we need them at the state level, the local level, and the national level and the federal level. we need them at all levels. because we, prior to this, we had marriage equality through the supreme court, right? but as soon as dobbs was unraveled, and they indicated that they were coming for marriage equality, it is when we realized that we need to move this piece of legislation forward fast. so nothing is perfect. but these pieces help protect us as a community and our relationships. we need the equality act. it went through the house. it stalled in the senate.
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we need that next year. because that protects us at work, it protects us in public accommodations, and you see that as the supreme court becomes more politicized, and more extremist in its views, that it is going after lbgtq folks. the most recent case that they heard last week by 303 creative, around whether a knock on websites for lbgtq people who are getting married, that itself was brought by an anti-lbgtq group to the supreme court, and is not even being questioned by them in that respect. that it is a designated hate group, bringing this to the supreme court. so we need every measure possible. we need regulation around social media companies, so that they start protecting us, and stop monetizing us. we need the equality act. we need legislation at the state level.
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because if the supreme court rolls back marriage equality, 35 states, it will be illegal to have a same-sex marriage in. what the respect for marriage equality act does, is that it says that it has to, every state, whether or not it's legal to get married there if you're same-sex, they have to recognize marriage as legal. so there's a lot of work to be done. >> sara kate ellis, glaad president and ceo, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. still ahead on the show, we're talking about covid flu cases going up in time for the holidays. does it mean masks will make a comeback? ahead. and a couple of days away from the closing bell as we gear up for a huge week for the economic snapshot. the do you up nearly 500 points. our team has the preview next. our team has the preview next. t. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really?
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on the death of grant wahl, the occer journalist who died while covering the world soccer cup on friday. new details, there is no indication at this point of foul play. >> when it comes to the tragic death of grant wahl, what i can say is that his remains were repatriated today, the family has spoken to the fact that he will, his remains will undergo an autopsy in this country, it's my understanding that his remains are now in the possession of the new york city medical examiner. what i can also say is that we have seen no indication of foul play or anything nefarious at this point. >> wahl was according the quarterfinal match friday and fell ill apparently and onside
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paramedics did everything to help him. now concerns over the triple-demic. covid and flu cases surging since thanksgiving. flu cases are up 14% since october. and more than 450,000 new covid cases in just the past week. a bunch of cities around the country they are noticing this, l.a., new york, seattle, all now strongly recommending that people wear masks inside in public. no mandate. stopping short of requiring it. but asking for it. and as you can see in the graphic on the screen there, rsv cases have started to go down lately, but the so-called triple-demic threat is still causing hospital beds to fill up. senior medical dr. john torres. a lot of travel with the holiday season, people going out in public in places. where really are we on this mask situation? some of the biggest cities in the countries saying, yeah, you should wear one. and people are going to be
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resistant to that idea at this point? >> hallie, the reality is how much masks can protect us from catching these virus, but the same time, the masks tend to be a hot button. so, the mandates, i don't think you're going to see mandates happening. you're going to see strong recommendations of people saying, now that the numbers are up, especially for covid and flu, let's put masks on. and you have to look at kind of the combination of everything. like here in colorado, covid cases could be low, which they are, but flu cases, we're at a very high level. so, i wasn't to make sure i'm masking when i go out in public, because i don't want to get the flu, and also protect myself against covid and rsv. and so, again, i think the thing to think of, these mask mandates, i don't think we'll see that happening again, but recommendations, when you are indoors, on public transportation and any time you're around people where there's concern, because the rates are going up. you want to make sure you protect you and your loved ones. >> if you decide to wear a mask
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somewhere but nobody else around you is, does that still help? >> it helps quite a bit, actually. it's called one-sided masking, meaning, you are wearing one, but nobody else is. there was a study a year ago looking at airplanes. if you wore a mask, an n-95 or a kn-95, person next to you is sick, you cut your chanszs of getting covid by 54%. other studies have looked at it, as well, and said, yes, it looks like it can help protect you. in the best case situation, everyone is masking to protect each other, but you wearing a mask yours, regs assured that is giving you a lot of protection and the vaccines, as well, that combination gives us a powerful weapon against getting these diseases or seriously sick from them. >> do you think we've seen the tripledemic peak here? >> i think what you're seeing right now is a few things. if you looked at your graphic, rsv cases are starting to come down, that's what we're seeing in different parts of the country. will are some hot spots, but
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we're seeing flu cases are rising dramatically across the country. if you look at the map, most of the states are high or very high. on top of that, covid cases, a few weeks ago, we were down around 30,000 cases, we are at 65,000 cases now. the deaths are still saying in that 300 to 400, which is more people than we want, but not climbing higher. so you're going to see a slow decline in these, but after the holidays, you're going to see another increase. so, having this conversation i think mild-january, we'll be able to say we're a couple weeks away from it peaking. we have to see what happens after the holidays, but getting through that safely can help keep us safe after that. >> dr. john torres, thank you. the dow is up just a couple of minutes before the closing bell. take a look. it is up 460 points. 1.3% roughly. with investors getting red did for a big week ahead as it relates to economic snapshots. tomorrow, we're going to get a key report on how much people
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are paying for stuff you use every day. in other words, a bit of a read on inflation, right? also starting tomorrow, the fed is again meeting, again, to talk about potentially another rise in interest rates. that announcement will come on wednesday. and could set up what the markets are going to look like for the rest of the year. with more on that, contessa burr. it is so good to see you. it is a big week for the economic pictures. >> well, look, 8:30 eastern time, that's when we're going to get the data over how much we're paying for goods and services. the consumer price index expected to show growth of .03 from the previous month. what we're seeing is that the dramatic cost spikes that we have experienced this year, are easing. in big part because gas prices are dropping. though we're still paying a lot for food. new and used car prices are easing, as well. and, of course, when we go into the stores, holiday discounts help. the markets are waiting with baited breath, because they want to see if the fed will stop
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raising interest rates to control inflation. wednesday, we're going to hear from the federal reserve. we're likely to hear about another rate hike, but the expectation seems to be it will be a half percentage point rather than the three quarters percent that we've seen in the past months. investors are really going to hone in and listen for language that indicates the central bank might be willing to set aside more planned increases in 2023, but felt chair jerome powell is expected to highlight the need to get inflation under control rather than to fuel more growth and, of course, we've seen that the labor market remains tight, employment remains strong and prices are still creeping up. thursday, we will get decisions from the european central bank, as well, and the bank of england. they are also trying to tamp down on really extreesh yating inflation in europe. and then, of course, friday, we have the deadline for congress to pass a government funding bill and we're watching all the politics surrounding that, hallie. >> all that and more.
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