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mccarthy has, what we know is that he has no values. he's just a power hungry washington, d.c.ite that will do anything including align himself with someone like marjorie taylor greene. scary for this country. >> kevin mccarthy remains silent as the dangerously radical future of the republican party was put on lurid display over the weekend with calls for total war and white nationalism right out in the open. plus, elon musk's unhinged attack on dr. fauci is the latest example of the new normal on twitter where free speech apparently means freedom to hurl unlimited abuse at anyone who disagrees with the radical right. and a new round of subpoenas are issued by the special counsel who is investigating donald trump's effort to overturn the 2020 election. we begin "the reidout" with a new york party. the gala reminiscent of the

cantina scene from "star wars." it included white supremacists and ultra nationalists. their president, a man name gavin wax called total war on their enemies which for you nonworld war ii followers was promoted by joseph anti-semitism. special guest steve bannon who bragged that he made breitbart.com the home of the white nationalist alt right before joining trump's campaign and administration. next up peter brindalow who stated whites built american culture forgetting jazz, rock 'n' roll, the blues and seasoned food. i could go on and who just so happens to associate and promote alt right white supremacists

too. in 1999 he founded vdare named for virginia dare, the first english child born in north america a deeply important symbol for white supremacists because she allegedly had pure caucasian blood. on his website he has argued that america's immigration policy is adolf hitler's posthumous revenge on america. in 2009 he wrote that the obama administration was a, quote, minority occupation government. now, you might remember his name because he is personal friends with economic adviser and fox business host larry kudlow who took heat for inviting him to his birthday party. kudlow claimed he had no idea that his friend of 40 years has spent nearly two decades amplifying white supremacist, okay, larry. saturday night he rubbed elbows with young republicans and right wing political figures including former new york mayor and trump

tv lawyer rudy giuliani then jack prosobiac. suggested democrats attended a nonexistent pedophile duncan in the basement of a popular d.c. pizzary that has no basement. and that was later shot up by a right wing activist who thought he was rescuing the nonexistent children. he also blamed russia's hack on seth rich, the former hillary clinton campaign staffer who was killed during a robbery in washington, d.c. his proven lie tormented rich's family for years. more recently he was out front promoting theto the steal hashtag that was central to fomenting the insurrection. "the times" obtained a picture of him flashing the white power

symbol with joechs biggs who was indicted by the federal government for storming the capitol. i'm leaving out hundreds of other stories about his affiliations with his anti-semitic attacks but that white power guy was a headlining guest at saturday's gala. these people didn't sneak in. they were invited and celebrated, let that sink in for a second. young republicans of new york wanted these notorious white nationalists at their annual gala. a gala that showcased him and donald trump jr. whose lone accomplishment is his last name and also marjorie taylor greene. her speech was the crown's night jewel. she denied she or steve bannon helped organize the january 6th insurrection because if they had, she said, the insurrectionists would have won. >> then january 6th happens and

next thing you know i organized 9 whole thing along with steve bannon here and i got to tell you something, if steve bannon and i would have organized that, we would have won. not to mention we would have been armed. >> ha, ha, ha. somehow marge forgot to tell her crowd of travelers that she did attend a white house orchestrated event to help map out a plan for maga house members to object to biden's rightful election which just so happened to be a key component of bannon's much touted green bay sweep with the goal of overturning the 2020 election results. oh, and by the way there were guns at the capitol. court records, trial testimony and accounts from police officers and rioters produced evidence that multiple people brought firearms to washington for january 6th including an ar-15. the crossfit qanon congresswoman

was joined by new york representative-elect george santos who attended trump's stop the steal rally at the ellipse, mike collins of georgia and cory mills of florida. her comments and some of those members' willingness to hobnob with election deniers should be disqualifying, but sadly that is not the case in today's republican party. a recent prri poll showed 65% of republicans believe that the election was stolen from trump, 31% think that true american patriots may have to resort to violence to get the country back on track. and nearly a quarter of republicans think that it might be necessary to commit violence to save the country. joining me now is congressman eric swallow of california and michael edison hayden, senior investigative reporter and spokesperson for the southern poverty law center. congressman, i do want to start with you.

marge, your colleague, claims when she said that had she been there and she organized the stop the steal insurrection it would have won. she and bannon. she claims that was sarcasm when the white house asked for comment. she claimed she was making fun of joe biden and the democrats but kept repeating the second amendment an talking about it. just listening to her ridiculous comments, it does kind of sound like she's saying they would have upped the violence and used the second amendment which means there would have been more violence against your friends, the police officers who protected the capitol, many who got hurt. what do you make of her and the man who wants to be speaker is her partner? >> joy, marjorie taylor greene is going to be in charge in a few weeks because kevin mccarthy struck a corrupt bargain with her so that he can be speaker and so he is going to allow under their tent somebody who has this fever dream of an armed

insurrection that is successful against the capitol. she didn't say she was embarrassed or disappointed or disgusted by what happened at the u.s. capitol, if anything she was embarrassed and disgusted that it failed and that she if she was one of the lieutenants would have ensured that it would have succeeded. but kevin mccarthy -- he cannot -- without her and so the fear here, the risk for our country is that we are lurching into this era where violence will be preferred over voting because republicans know that what they actually believe in is not popular, it doesn't win elections at the state level, it didn't earn them the senate. they had to cheat through redistricting which will be overturned in a few months to even narrowly win the house and so their entire philosophy is at risk unless they bring violence into the mix and that's what the new republican party is going to be defined by is chaos and we will stand in the breach, the judiciary and oversight committees to defend what we all

hold so dear. >> now, you know, we would love to not talk about this woman. i have to be honest. she's not a serious person, not a serious congresswoman but she is going to be in charge because kevin mccarthy has to put her in charge. people like matt gaetz and some of these "star wars" barroom characters because he can't be speaker without them and gaetz had already said he won't support him. it's down to her. i want to play so you understand who this person is literally two years ago she was a facebook troll. she was a facebook troll in congress who is going to be in charge. here she is, this is before she was a member of congress, this is what she used to do when she wasn't doing crossfit. let's play this. i believe it's cut 4. >> q is a patriot. we know that for sure. >> you are using your lobby and the money behind and the kids to try to take away my second amendment rights. you don't have anything to say for yourself? >> alexandria ocasio-cortez, i'm an american citizen.

i pay your salary through the taxes that you collect for me through the irs, because i'm a tax paying citizen of the united states. if you want to be a big girl, you need to get rid of your deeper and come out and be able to talk to the american citizens instead of us having to use a flap. >> congressman, i know you take your work seriously and i know most members take their work seriously but the fact that that person is a united states congresswoman. she was literally a facebook troll two years ago and a qanon or q-tuber, whatever you call it and now will be running the house of representatives. what hell do we have ahead of us with that group and white nationalists that run with her in charge? >> joy, remember, republicans went to the voters and they lied. this he told voters we'll focus on inflation, bringing down the cost of gas -- by the way which has come down already and now what you're seeing is, no, this is what they'll get. they'll get hunter biden, defund the fbi which marjorie taylor

greene is one of the largest advocates for, doing everything they can, you know, to, you know, pan grievances around the border but not offer solutions so our job has to be show people who they are, defend and debunk on behalf of the biden administration any of the lies told and then, of course, to pivot to our message of putting people over politics and building on the first two years of the biden agenda. >> let me bring you in, michael edison-hayden. you wrote the write-up of this bizarreo world event and the headline struck me. white nationalists and other republicans attend this gala. i mean, you pivoted directly from the white nationalists to republicans and that would seem like over the top, except that the president of the new york republicans club referenced total war. i want to read you a little bit of what joseph gobles said.

we cannot overcome the bowl they advice danger unless we use equivalent though not identical methods. he essentially paraphrased that. tell us about this group and gala. >> gavin wax who is the president of this garbage pail kid in charge, it's no necessarily a physical imposing person or a tough guy but he is really leaned in very strongly to fascist rhetoric. i'm not trying to use that too liberally but there's no way around it. he talks about we're going to do this in the judiciary and do this here then we'll do it in the streets. when you say do things in the streets, you know, we know exactly what he's talking about, right, and people from new york know exactly what he's talking about because we have had many encounters around republican events in which proud boys mixed

it up with protesters and leading to numerous assaults. gavin wax knows what he's talking about. in 2018 he wrote a defense of the proud boys, right. he invited jack. they're doing it right out in the open. >> you mentioned jack. here's a picture of him with richard spencer. now, he and richard spencer have apparently fallen out but that is -- this is who he hangs with, roger stone, richard spencer and proud boys, proud boys have essentially taken over the republican party in miami-dade. the county where i used to live in florida, there is a school board member backed by the proud boys and very heavily african american broward county, florida. how extensive is the penetration of white supremacists and white

nationalists per the data that southern poverty law center has done into the republican party? >> so, i mean in terms of data, i mean it's -- some of it is hard to quantity fry because you're dealing no longer with groups of, oh, everybody is meeting in a barn and wearing a hood and things like that. everything has become at tommized, lots of people in their basements, everybody is on telegram. it's like they're communicating as if in different prison cells through different walls of the internet but it is extraordinarily prevalent and, you know, i don't like to be like, oh, we have to be -- but this particular event for me is alarming and not a word i would typically use. they're calling for war. we are not at war. the people on this conversation right now are not at war but they say they're at war and we have to take it seriously. that means not giving them any quarter, no inch about this where they're organizing. we need to know what they're doing and we need to know what

they're talking about. they offered and this is absolutely true and important for both of you to understand they offered no plans, no plans that would be -- would improve the material lives of their constituents and that is very, very important. there's no talk about anything that would improve people's, you know, their pocketbooks. it is strictly about this fictitious friend enemy distinction, separate the enemy and destroy the enemy. that's fascist stuff. we need to pay close attention to it. >> and it's very open. i'll close with this, congressman. we have seen hate crimes in new york city up 125% just in november. and it would probably be higher except that major police departments including the nypd are not turning in the data to the fbi. is there going to be possibility for oversight over this really alarming the fbi -- chris wray

has raised alarms about it it. the invasion of white nationalism, open white nationalism in one of our two major political parties? >> first, joy, there has to be a collective denouncement of all anti-semitic tropes, sentiment, statements that are being made, calls for violence and, again, we're not seeing that. kevin mccarthy does not denounce marjorie taylor greene in her conduct and who she and her colleagues associate with but also we had a hearing on the homeland security committee two weeks ago where director wray and secretary mayorkas both talked about the elevation of this issue and that we actually are short funding grants for jewish group, actually any nonprofit group in america for security grants to protect them. i hope we can provide more funding for particularly jewish groups across america so that they can protect themselves and

take additional measures as greene greene and others with their rhetoric are putting a target on these group's backs. >> yeah, and they're talking about trying to impeach secretary mayorkas. i wonder why. thank you, congressman swalwell and michael edison-hayden, thank you very much. up next on "the reidout." how conservatives are trying to redefine free speech as elon musk using his free speech to threaten people like dr. fauci. "the reidout" continues after this. r this flu symptoms hit harder than the common cold. so it takes the right tool for the job... to keep it together. now there's new theraflu flu relief with a max strength fever fighting formula. the right tool for long lasting flu symptom relief. hot beats flu. get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could do. getrefunds.com

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ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for the richest man in the world. cheers and boos, i see. >> weren't expecting this, were you? >> it seems that for elon musk who spent $44 million just to delete twitter accounts that make fun of him and to allow only the free speech that fits his weird covid and fascism friendly views, what being exposed to views you disagree with looks like in real life when comedian dave chappelle brought him on stage during his show in san francisco over the weekend. perhaps he forgot that the world is not made up solely of people who stand billionaires and wrongly presume them to be geniuses but also those who do

not want to see twitter became an open forum for all the trolls that were kept at bay. to those the apartheid child tweeted, the woke mind virus is either defeated or nothing else matters. that came a day after he used his platforms to mock the lgbtq and to go after fauci saying my pronouns are prosecute fauci. the latest attempt to redefine free speech which is whatever conservatives want said and nothing more. they've gone to great lengths this those efforts and when it comes to social media platforms as "the atlantic" writes to use them for their own political purpose, including prop began that, disinformation, harassment and message discipline, conservatives had to invent a new kongsal right to post and adam joins me now. i want you to explain for those

who have not read it what the right to post means. >> it basically means that you would have a right to free speech as long as you are saying what conservatives want you to say. and this is sort of remarkably consistent. you go back to citizens united. it was said that corporations had free speech that to muzzle them would be to muzzle the most important voices in our free economy and then the second that, you know, twitter was not doing exactly what they wanted to do, they started using state laws in order to gain control of twitter's editorial discretion to make them their editorial policies what conservatives wanted them be. and what you see is something pretty consistent here which is that when corporate actors are helping republican interests, they have a right to free speech and when they are not they are engaging in corporate censorship and similarly when right wing governments punish private

actors for their speech, even though it's a violation of free speech this is celebrated. a view of free speech that says you only have that right as long as you're saying, you are know, what conservatives want you to say. they have a right to free speech. you have a right to shut up and like it. >> well, let me read another piece of this. this was on the allure of twitter. there's this thing where they weren't happy with just having get her and gab where all the nancys are. they want to be with the regular people. there's a reason they want to immost their free speech and, you know, elon musk was willing to pay $44 billion to give them the entree to talk to normal people and this is what she writes. the allure of controlling twitter in particular is that the platform removes the middleman and allows for the direct dissemination of propaganda without verification to an audience broader than hard core conservatives and bully any opposition including those who decide what goes on the front pages or leads of the evening news.

moderation policies designed to keep more mainstream social networks profitable for advertisers interfere with both objectives. this was to me struck me as a real key point, that the right wants to promote covid denial or the hunter biden conspiracy but the cure -- kuration keeps them from being able to disseminate prop sgaj da. they can't get it on cbs or nbc or abc, just on fox. they can't force them to hear it so they can bully the abc producers directly. why do you suppose that's their only way in their mind of getting conservative views out? >> i don't think it's the only way. it's just a find they find effective and don't want to just bully and harass liberals, although they do want to do that, people that are important voices in the media, people in morn positions in the media,

they also want to influence their own people to be as extreme as possible and one of the ways they do that socialize people through twitter saying if you want to be one of us you have to accept this set of extreme views. and that sort of group think is not just ideological. i mean it's something that affects people of all political per situations on twitter, unfortunately, it hurts towards group think the way social media works, but in this case that's why it's so valuable to them. they want to be able to use it to keep people in line. and, you know, twitter is a private company. elon musk can do what he wants with it. but, you know, before when it was not owned by elon musk they wanted to use the power of the state to control what you could say on twitter or tell twitter what their editorial policies were allowed to be. to look at it metaphorically, book stores decide what kind of books they want to carry all the time. and this is sort of like these laws are sort of like saying you

have to carry these books and you have to put don trump jr.'s book in the front display window, you have to promote his speech. you can't make your own decision about what speech is valuable or should be promoted. because they fundamentally do not believe that if you are saying something they don't want you to say you have the same right to free speech that they do. >> and it's a sign of incredible weakness, right? they feel like they need to manipulate language as you said, force don junior's book to the front of the book store because nobody wants to buy it and nobody wants to hear it and this idea of trying to control language itself, we highlighted another tweet where elon musk who is a child of a apartheid era south africa twisted the meaning of truth and reconciliation. it's deliberate. a white guy raised in afar tie south africa -- racial accountability in south africa for his right wing fantastical

ends. they're just words to him. it's the same christopher rufo did with critical race theory and said i want them to think anti-white. we want them to think these horrible things and i don't care what it means. it feels like this is elon musk's purpose for twitter change the meaning of free speech is you have to let me harass you. >> yeah, you can already see and this has happened with the former head of safety at twitter where cnn just reported that he to leave his home because of things that musk said about him on twitter that were inaccurate. this is how they want to use a social network. they want to use it to bully people. use to it spread disinformation but the value of twitter, ironically comes from the fact that there are people not conservatives on it because those are the people -- >> right. >> they are trying to reach. they can reach conservatives on other social networks. they never complain about editorial policies that other

social networks that are conservative because they're fine with that. but, you know, as long as people who are not conservatives stay on the network people who are influential in politics, media or anything else, you know, that is what gives twitter value as a social media network. if those people get driven off, if those people are successfully harassed off the network, then, you know, the network ceases to have the value that it had, you know, when they wanted to control it in the first place. >> well, right, it'll just be gab. i mean and there will just be nancys on there. when all the normal people leave and all the celebrities leave and all the journalists leave they'll have getter and no one -- there is a real world connection between the propaganda and hate speech and real life. we saw that with musk getting booed by real people. the increases in anti-semitic

crimes. it's increasing all across the country, anti-black people. anti-asian -- there's no accountability, is there? >> this is one of the things that people who have run websites have understood for a long time which is that for conversations to happen you have to have some level of moderation because otherwise the loudest, nastiest people take over the conversation and they don't let anybody else speak. so, you know, this is one of the paradoxes of how the internet works. and unfortunately, you know, twitter's approach to moderation is not that they'll have moderation policies, their approach will now have a right wing slant because of the ideological disposition of its owner. >> yeah. if they were -- if they actually had real confidence in their ability to persuade, they wouldn't need to do it by trying to freeze out anything but what they want to hear but obviously they don't have that confidence because they know most people ain't buying what they're selling. adam, beautiful piece. i hope everybody reads it.

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in his endless quest to become the new face of the republican party ron desantis loves to zero in on whatever the fortune elon musk/joe rogan crowd decides is the culture issue of the day and exploit it to its last ugly compound. going after trans people desantis has been doing quietly for months. his crusade to deny transgender medical care to two of society's most vulnerable groups, children and the poor. the daily beast reports when a far right state legislator failed to pass an anti-trans bill, the governor resorted to back room bureaucracy to get the same result using different state agencies to cut off gender affirming care. they go on to write, the governor's attack is something of a pincer movement. his administration targeted the poor by eliminating state and medicaid care and it is currently preparing to bar doctors from providing related

services to minors. joining me is shevrin jones. senator jones, great to see you. i want to read from a little bit of this daily beast recording. florida is -- talking about him gaslighting florida. la is now using its health care regulations to gaslight the state's transgender population and doctors who specialize in the field. by casting doubt on the global scientific community's emerging understanding of gender disfor ya described in the ike at trick manual as the state of being when one feels a deep chasm between the gender they experience and the one they're assigned at birth. official government reports from the desantis administration cite disproven or outdated scientific studies. the governor retains power he wouldn't have in the legislature. what's going on in your state? >> well, first, it's good to see you also, joy. it's unfortunate that it's nothing new to see the governor go after those who don't agree

with him but also a continuation from what we know that the republicans do not want to follow science on anything. we saw that with just pass with the attorney general and now we're looking at it now where governor desantis is using the agencies to come against children, not just children and their parents and their doctors. this is just par for the course of what we're dealing with here in florida. there is -- it's troubling because when you look at the issues that we're dealing with in florida, they're politicizing an issue that is not even the issue right now while rear right here now in a special session to deal with the most critical issue and that is housing insurance. but what are we doing? the governor is traveling the state and traveling the country to deal with everything but and the demonization of children who want to be left alone in the free state of florida. >> let me ask this.

this has got to be incredibly rare. people who make jokes about it aside they're not like 7-year-olds walking up to the doctor and saying, i want to change my gender and telling their parents and ordering them to do it. this is such a rare thing. is there some sort of massive amount of children who are getting this -- and aren't doctors involved in this? he's making it sound like parents are just deciding, i had a girl and now i would like a boy or i had a boy and now i would like a girl and taking them to the doctor and changing their gender. that is not happening. >> not only is it not happening, these are -- these parents are with their children and their doctor and they are having a conversation about this. the fact that the governor and the republicans here within the state of florida has found this to continue to be the issue of the day, the issue of the year, the issue truly of the last two to three years and they want everything for parents to have a

choice except this, go back to what you and i spoke about before when we talked about christian nationalism and they want everyone to agree and believe like them and not allowing parents to raise their children like they want to raise them or let's go to miami to how you want to shut down businesses that have drag shows where mind you behind the scenes my republican colleagues speak of how they enjoy taking their families and children to enjoy the bumps and things of that nature but still you come and vote against these same people in their businesses that you say you support. >> yeah, you know, you make a good point because this is -- if you ask -- if you go by ron desantis' agenda you would think the most important things happening in florida are critical race theory which makes white children feel sad, library books that need to be banned. not stopping covid. you got to let covid in your school, drag brunch and disney world making movies with too

many gay people in them. not the insurance crisis, i mean, hasn't the insurance system collapsed in the state of florida? there's a huge housing crisis. it's more expensive to live in miami than new york city. does he ever deal with it? maybe he should deal with fraud. didn't the guy who create the don't say gay bill, literally have to resign in disgrace because he committed fraud against the small business administration taking ppp funds. >> truth be told rep harding did the right thing by resigning so we can begin the process of moving past the distraction and work to provide the real relief that the constituents within that area in which they need and you gave us the laundry list of everything that's happening right now, florida has no shortage of issues that need to be addressed, joy. and i have constituents right now in my district from miami gardens all the way to libya city who have been waiting for weeks, even more months to receive re-employment trying to find relief for their

homeowners' insurance and ensure they can move outside -- they can stay inside their neighborhoods and not be kicked out of their household because they can't afford to live in miami. we have no shortage of issues that we're dealing with right now. but you know what, they found the issue in children who are with their parents and their doctor who want to make a decision, gay children are the problem, black children and black people are their problem. banning books is the problem. the real issues, the real things that's hitting people's pockets is not what's on the agenda of the day in the state of florida. more than it being a problem people are suffering every single day. >> because your governor wants to make that a petri dish for everything on forchan. anything they're screaming about he wants to use as a platform to make himself into the president. pretty disgusting but it's what's happening. is that state senator shevrin jones, thanks for being here. the special counsel overseeing trump's investigates isn't wasting time subpoenaing

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