you're right. the engineering breakthrough can actually be able to build a power plant and harness this, it's, you know, there is a lot more optimism than it could be done now. but, you know, don't be expecting to be using fusion power in the next couple of years, maybe in ten years. >> but it is still, like, this is real, right? like they did crack something here that they did not have before, that's the take away. >> yes, this definitely is a big -- you know, we've talked to scientists, we've talked to businesses who've been involved in this for years, and you know, many of them are telling us, this is not a joke. this is a big deal. this is a major scientific breakthrough. and it's always caveat it with, at the same time, there's all kinds of engineering that needs to be done to figure out how to take this breakthrough, and turn it into electricity that all of us can be using. >> . >> thanks for breaking that down. that's all in on this monday night. good evening rachel. >> chris i was in the makeup

chair earlier than i usually am tonight just because i have -- i lost control of tile. but i was sitting there in the makeup room while you and harry brief liuka developed about my podcast being good and useful. i smiled so large. >> did you see. >> i pop the snaps on the back of the case in the makeup room. >> he interup theed me. i referenced the show and i interrupted me mid- sentence to say that's so good which is also true. >> the thing is like first he knows what he is talking about. second you've been listening and you like it but it was relevant to understand news. i want won the trifecta. >> truly. >> thank you, my friend. >> well deserved. >> thank you. all right. and thanks for joining us. happy to have you here. so, this was january 17th, last

year. on january 17th, last year to, get your head around what was going on that date. that was three days before joe biden was set to be inaugurated of the new president of the united states. inauguration day was january 20th. this was january 17th. 11 days before january 17th was january 6th when the pro trump mobbed tried to prevent congress from certifying yod joe bidean election. so january 17th last year it's week and a half since january 6th. and it is three days until the inauguration. and on that date, january 17th, here is a text message that was sent to donald trump's white house chief of staff mark meadows. it says "mark, in seeing what's happening so quickly and reading about the dominion lawsuits attempting to stop meaningful investigation, we are at a point of no return in

saving our republic. exclamation point, our last hope invoking marshal law. please urge the president to do so. three days before joe biden's inauguration white house chief of staff gets this urging president trump to invoke marshal law. misspelled as if the person thinks there's marshall's law and a ross dress for less probably a tj maxx law. what he means is marshal law martial as in suspended constitution and put the military in charge to rule by force. our last hope is invoking martial law, please urge 2 president to do so. this is throw days before the inauguration. call out the troops, use military force use weapons of war, against the american public to stop the inauguration of the new president, and

instead put trump in power. and you know, this is a message not sent by the white house chief of staff. it's a message sent to him. so maybe you are thinking, you know, i bet the white house chief of staff gets all kinds of weird spam text messages from overeager trump supporters whoever sent this doesn't know how to spell martial law. so how serious could it be? but this text message was not from some rando who guessed the number of the white house chief of staff. it was from a sitting member of the united states congress. republic can ralph norman on january 16th lat year three days before biden's inauguration, congressman ralph norman was trump the chief of staff to urge president trump to call out the u.s. military to use the military against civilians. in order to keep trump in

power. congressman norman was a sitting member of congress when he sent that. he is still one now. ralph norman was reelected in south carolina fifth congregga district by a lot by like a 2-1 margin. and marveling about the seditious radicalism a member of congress, somebody wants to suspend the constitution and keep the guy in power by force using military force. to do it. i mean marveling at some member of congress being that far out there, i mean, that's something we get to do from time to time. but right now, knowing this is what he was advocating. take power by force. knowing he was advocating that is one thing. knowing he and his party are going back to congress as the new majority party for next year, that feels like something different. because what are they going to do with the real power when

they have it? that text from congressman ralph norman to mark meadows comes to us tonight from reporter hunter walker along with josh, and the news website talking points memo. they posted a series of articles tonight. based on thousands of text messages they have obtained. thousands of text messages that they say were sent by and to white house chief of staff mark meadows between election night november 2020 and biden's inauguration day in 2021. these are thousands of text messages that were turned over to the january 6th investigation in congress. and talking points memo has obtained them, and they are reporting tonight based on this trove of texts that as unsettling as that message was from congressman norman, he was far from the only sitting member of congress exchanging text messages with mark meadows about what could be done to keep trump in power despite the

election results. 34 republican members of congress were reportedly texting about it with mark meadows. and hunter walker and his colleagues published many of the messages tonight. now, i should note we have not reviewed the original text messages ourselves. we are just reviewing what has been reported by talking points memo. that said, we have reached out to both mark meadows and ralph norman for comment burks we have not heard back. i can tell you when talking points memo reached congressman norman when they reached him, and he asked about his text calling for martial law, congressman norman told them, it's been two years. and he asked them to send him a copy of his text message for him to review. after tpm are forwarded him a copy he said we didn't receive any further response from the congressman. i should note that some of the texts between mark metos and

members of congress have been reported and some have been released by the january 6th investigation. but, seeing them all in one place at tpm, it's quite something. particularly because republicans are about to take power in the house, which means they are eminently about to shut down the work of the january 6th investigation. i mean, in addition to congressman norman, south carolina, calling for martial law calling for the u.s. hill tarry to install trump in power, even after january 6th happened, there's also a republican congressman from tennessee telling white house chief of staff mark meadows that republican legislatures should overrule the vote and proclaim drump the winner. mark green told the white house chief of staff that should happen in various republican controlled states, because he described a guest on news max saying it was a legal possibility. also, a north carolina

congressman pushing the same strategy, congressman greg murphy of north carolina, the same strategy cut and pasted from a right wing and another north carolina congressman suggesting to mark meadows ted bud he suggested to white house chief of staff mark meadows that the voting machines had been rigged by george theros, the congressman who is not only going back to congress but going back as a senator. because he just got promoted to u.s. senator in last month's election in north carolina. ted bud. also right wing favorite paul gosar of arizona sent the white house chief of staff a link to evidence rigging, and he got this supposed evidence and he forwarded it the citation to mark meadows in the white house and the blog he got the information was called some -- some swear word told me a word that starts with b and rhymes

with mitch. that's the name of the blog he cited to the white house chief of staff to justify what ever means were necessary to keep trump in power. some b told me. congressman jim jordan of ohio texting a detailed plan for how vice president mike pence could overturn the election and proclaim trump to have been reelected when he wasn't. jim jordan is expected to be chairman of the house judiciary committee next year. and lots of cases, there's no record of mark meadows ever replying to the messages. but in some cases he does. and there are also references that suggest he was communicating with many of the members of congress separately on encrypted messages apps that are messages the january 6th investigation has not obtained. congressman scott perry of pennsylvania exchanged so many texts with mark meadows full of broken conspiracy series about

italian satellites and cia director being in cahoots with the british government shall the british government? to steal the election for biden, why would the cia works with brits? there was so much of that from republican congressman scott perry, talking points memo has a separate article tonight dedicated just to scott perry's text to and from the white house chief of staff. congressman scott perry chairs something called the house freedom caucus a powerful group far right republicans whose power will free under the republican razor thin house majority. it may be the entities that determines who gets to be the next republican speaker of the house. we reaped out to congressman scott perry of pennsylvania for comment, but we have not yet heard back. and again, many of the text messages have been reported before. some in drifts a drafts but we know we can see the text messages together, but also the guys are going to be in charge of the u.s. congress and in charge of the u.s. house in a few weeks.

which means among other things, as i said, that the january 6th investigation which first unearthed the text messages, that's going to be shut down because of course if you were a republican who had been involved in this stuff during the january 6th era of course you would like to shut down the investigation. among other things that expected timeline, means the january 6th investigation has a very short window of time to finish their work and publish the finding. they met last night reportedly to discuss whether they will make criminal referrals to the justice department and how many, and of whom, and nbc news reports that the committee has yet to make a final decision on that. the committee reviewing a draft of its final report which is expected to be released next week. next wednesday, specifically, the 21st, merry christmas, everybody. the final publication of the of the january 6th investigation

report may be a formal presentation by the investigators which would happen around the too many it is finalized and published wednesday january 21st. and we are waiting for details on that. but meanwhile, the prosecutions in court for january 6th related crimes and alleged crimes those prosecutions are also entering a really crucial stage. not only crucial for the defendants but for the country in terms of accountability and getting the history right a getting the story straight about what happened and what crimes were committed on that day. we go seditious conspiracy conviction for the oath keepers. and its founder and one other member of the oath keepers were found guilty of seditious conspiracy and plotting violence for january 6th to try to keep trump in office. that was the seditious conspiracy conviction that happened. there's two more seditious conspiracy trials on the way. today opening statements, and

in the next round of oath keepers prosecutions, this is yet another trial on seditious conspiracy charges for four more members of the oath keepers including some of whom were -- some of those seen entering the capitol on january 6th in the upper in everything military stack formation. we have another seditious conspiracy trial coming next week that will involve members of the proud boys. another pro trump right wing paramilitary group. here's something to keep an eye on. when it comes to charges against january 6th defendants. when you have those convictions of the oath keeps on seditious conspiracy, that's the headline charge that got all the most attention and for good reason. but when you have the seditious conspiracy conviction those two members and also all of the other fellow defendants charged in the same trial they were all also convicted of a different

felony. obstructing an official proceeding. in other words they were convicted of a felony charge trying to prevent congress from doing their job, certified presidential election. and that charge obstructing an official proceeding has not just been used against the organized paramilitary groups like oath keepers. about 300 defendants from january 6th have been charged under that specific felony statute obstruction of an official proceeding. that specific statute obstruction of an official proceeding has been seen as by one of the most likely felony charges that could be brought against donald trump himself if he were to be charged personally. in connection with the january 6th attack. that's why it's worth sort of memorializing that phrase. obstruction of an official proceeding. it's worth keeping an eye on that as a felony charge used hundreds of times and has been used to get hundreds of

convictions thus far against january 6th defendants. because in a washington, d.c. federal appears court judges started to consider whether the charge should be nullified when it comes to january 6th. whether it shouldn't be allowed to use that charge against january 6th defendants. at a lower level at the district court level in the federal court system in dc one trump appointed judge who has ruled that felony charge that, obstruction of an official proceeding can't be used against january 6th defendants. lots of other judges, including judges in that same federal court in that same d.c. district court said it's fine to use that charge, and in fact have oversign trials it has been used and has been used to secure convictions. but there's one trump judge who says it shouldn't be used. and when that trump appointed judge ruled that way, the justice department appealed and

so today, it was the next highest level of court a federal appeals court d.c. secretary court of appeals heard arguments whether that specific felony charge can essentially be off ateed for january 6th defendants and that could have wide consequence for everybody all the way down the line not only people who have been convicted of that charge but people facing charges on that -- faceing that felony charge and potentially the consideration of whether or not a charge like that might be used against people who were at the top of the alleged conspiracy. so, again, oral arguments on that in the appeals court in washington, d.c. today. and those appeal court judges can rule whenever they feel like it in terms of when they want to give the ruling, but a lot is hinging on their ruling. in terms of january 6th, it's crunch time right now on the legal front and also for the january 6th investigation in congress, which as we know, is in the final weeks.

joining us is congressman democrat of california member of the january 6th investigation. i appreciate you being here tonight. thank you. >> happy to do it. >> first shall let me ask you if i got any of that wrong or got any of that the wrong way around either the new information reported by republicans teching with the white house, up to and after january 6th, or anyone i reported about what's happening in court? >> not that i am aware of. i think as we said before, we are going to be publishing all of the committee records, and the interest in this shows there's going to be a lot of interest, i think, when we release all our records, and there's a lot to sort through. >> and in terms of all your records, that will be the transcripts presumably of all hundreds and hundreds of interviews and it will be the documentary evidence that you

obtained as a committee? >> yes. with this exception. the secret service said they lent to us, a million documents and host was not relevant. and it's not a committee record. we don't own it. we were just allowed to sort through it. the relevant piece of information we obtained will be made available. >> what should we expect next week in term of the release of the report? we are expecting, and i think sort of as people in the news business hoping for a public presentation of the findings of the committee to go along with the written report. is it fair for us to expect some version of that next week? >> i hope we could do that. to be honest, we worked through the weekend. we are editing and reediting the report. it's not even done yet. we are working so hard on all of it. and, so it's crunch time for

the committee not just the staff, but all of the members that are working on all of this, so, we will get done, and i am look forward to having it being done. >> in terms of the decision making that needs to happen, have you and your colleagues come to a decision whether or not you are willing to talk about what the decision is, but have you come to decision about the question of criminal referrals? and if so, when will we, the public, find out what the -- what that decision is? >> well, we had a great discussion last night, and we are going to have a little more sorting through it. as i think i mentioned before, we have yet to have a vote in the committee. we just reached consensus. so i think we are reaching consensus on this element as well, and i believe this will be a released and we will see if we get it done released along with the report, and the

recommendations and the like. >> as we get close to the end of the investigation, are there any other frustrations or regrets you have about the investigation being shut down in terms of avenues that you weren't able to proceed down, potential leads you weren't able to follow simply because of the constraint of time? >> well, we always knew we just had this congress select committee's only alive for the congress. unless we renewed. so it was expected this would be the end of our efforts. i do wish that we had heard from some of the individuals that we subpoenaed who basically blew us off, including members of congress. and other officials. there's information they have that we would like to have. but i am confident in this that the department of justice has

tools the committee does not have to get information from a variety of sources. so, although it's not going to be in our report because we couldn't get to the information that was relevant, i think there's a high likelihood that some of this information will become known to the public as the department of justice does its work. >> the justice department was vocal in wanting records from the committee sooner than the committee was willing to hand them over. they wanted full transcripts from some of the interviews that the committee, the investigators were able to conduct. have those points of conflict for the justice department wanted more from you guys than you were willing to give them. have those been resolved over or will the justice department be treat as a member of the public and will get it the same time we all get it. >> we have provided some information to them in advance of our report. not all of it. but i mean, the point is, we

are not an arm of the department of justice. we are the legislative branch and they are investigators anymore than the department of justice is investigators for the congress. so, we support what they are doing. we are providing some information now, and we are going to -- they are going to get everything, of course, when we publish the committee records and i think we are in a good spot. they don't report to us but the special counsel picked up pace on the investigations. >> democrat of california member of the january 6th investigation who as she explains is very, very busy along with the other committee helps and the staff. thanks for your time tonight. nice to see you. >> thank you, good to see you. >> we have much more tonight stay with us. much more tonight stay with us.

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technical sense. historically speaking in the first election, after a new president has moved into the white house, that president's party gets slacked in the midterm elections. and you know, don't ask me why. it's what american voters like to do. they like a candidate and a party enough to put them in the white house and immediately next chance they get two years later they change the preference to the other parties controlling congress. i don't know why it goes this way, but it always goes this way. if you look historically since world war ii, the party that is not the president's party has picked up an average of 26 seats in the house. in the mid term elects. the average since world war ii is 26 seats. and recently, it's been worst. in president's trump midterm democrats picked up 40 seats and president obama's first midterm republicans picked up

63 seats. and that historical data is presumably why republicans, ahead of the midterms, were crowing about the fact they will pick up poe, 40, 50, 60 more seats than that. now the results are in, and now we know, turns out the republicans got 9 seats. 9 tota seats. they didn't hit double digits. that's a historic wipe out. and the other side, the democrats gained a seat in the senate. to add insult to injury. but the republicans were expecting to do well up and down the ticket. they were expecting to do great in governors race, expected to do great in state legislatures and thought they would flip some from democrat to republican and they didn't do that either anywhere in the country. this turned out to be the first midterm since the 1930s that the opposition party didn't flip a single statehouse or state senate. and in fact, the democrats were

the party that flipped four state legislative chambers both houses in michigan, house in pennsylvania and senate in minnesota. it went against republicans all over the country in all kinds of races. look at wisconsin and in kansas. in both those states, republicans had control of the state legislature. they were a total look to stay in control of the state legislature. but on top of that they were confident they would get rid of the democratic governors in both of the states in both kansas and wisconsin. there by full republican control of the both states republicans expected that at the end of the day, by this point right now, they would have not only the governor's office but the whole state legislature in both wisconsin and kansas. in wisconsin and kansas, as it turns out, republican candidates for governor both lost. to democrats. so the republicans were not able to a get full control of

the states even though they fully expected to. it was actually the democrats in the election who got full control and the governorship and both houses of the state legislature in four states. where they didn't have it before. four states you can remember with this easy device. because it's four states that start with m. massachusetts, maryland, minnesota, michigan. all four states the democrats did not previously control the state legislature and the governor's office but after the mid term elect, now they do. and again, this is an election where historically speaking, the president's party, the democratic party should have been wiped out all over the country but they made up the ground. the washington post crunch the numbers on what that means in term of the u.s. population in terms of which party is in control of which states. they found that the results of this election, which was historically horrible for republicans and shockingly good for democrats, they found the

overall top line result, thanks to how well things went for democrats in the state, for the first time in more than decade, more americans next year will live in states with full democratic control than in states with full republican control. 140 million americans as of nextee live in blue, blue, blue states where the legislature and governor's office are controlled by the democrats. 140 million in blue states. as opposed to 131 million in red states. the republicans control both the things. more americans will live in blue states than red states in terms of which party has total control. and that is -- that's profoundly important. not just for mathematically keeping score between the parties and pointing and gasping how poorly the republican party did. it's important in real life. it's important because so much policies that's relevant to

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the group intention agoly operated behind the scenes throughout the mid term election cyclingel, not conducting media outreach or even launching a public facing website. politico is the first to report on the group's existence and their extensive funding of the scores of groups. david donelly progressive op at this timetive said it was clear there was a mobilized constituency that cared about democracy on the wrong side. he said the goal was to bring people to the fight not just bring more pole or lawyers to bring more people to the fight. we decided it was not going to be enough to fund a bunch of election protection efforts or candidates to run against election deniers he said. we needed to fund organizes infrastructure to bring more heft to the battles on democracy. more heft. tens of millions of dollars of more heft. joining us now is david

donnelly veteran progressive operative behind prodemocracy campaign which i have to check because they are organization i never heard of before today. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me, rachel. >> can you put a little bit of meat on the bones here in terms of what exactly you funded. this is a lot money to have put into this election cycle. what were you funding and what were your priorities? >> first, let me say that i believe there's a cast of thousands of people who helped to deliver the election results all across the country. i think americans stood up for democracy, and against those that would take us in the wrong direction. and we took democracy. the kind of work that our partners did, and frankly, i think a lot of credit belongs to the 126 groups that we supported, the kind of work they did, spanned us the spectrum from voter registration drive and turning out votes and all across the

country, they advocated with election clerks to make sure that there were longer hours to cast ballots. they encouraged people to reach out to neighbors and to you know expand and they worked on ballot questions, they worked on other kinds of policy fights to make our democracy more reflective and responsive to all of us. >> the thing that -- well two things seem notable about this effort and the way we are learning about it. one, is that this is not -- does not seemed to have been a let's create a big new national organization to train operative centrally and dispatch them into the states, which i think is a lot of what we imagined a big well fund national tens of millions of dollars effort would be like. this is supporting existing organizations in states and communities. so i would like to ask you about that as a strategy. but the other reason that i am

talking to you and i think it's getting attention is we didn't know about this until after the eleb was over. why was this such a low profile effort? why were there no public announcements. why aren't we finding out about it until now? >> we didn't believe that we should promote work before we did it. we are under the impression you should prove yourself in the world before you claim any credit for the work you've done, and we thought that the organizational partners in the states were doing the hard work, and they are the ones that should talk about the work. and many got great press coverage about all the work they did to engage in black and brown communities and young voters, and work on policy. and we think that's more important story to tell than the work that we did. and you know, we did work within the existing organizational structures. we didn't set up a lot of new organizations because they are great organizations working in

communities all over the country. they needed more resources. there's a -- i did a deep dive in the states in the summer of '21 to hear from leaders of local organizations and statewide organizations, and there was an appetite to work on democracy on over the long terp, but there was also a fear that unless they got to work urgently to tackle and beat back the tax against their ability to cast ballots, then we are not going to have a long- term to fight for. so, we set out to help support them. in the near term but to lay the groundwork for the organizations that are working in black and brown communities and among young people, to have a stronger leadership role in the questions of democracy over time. >> because you decided as you say, to show your work and not talk about your work, to have this be a low profile and secretive effort during the campaign.

why do we know about it now? why go public now with the names of your groups, the prodemocracy campaign. and why now have politico and tonight "the new york times" describe the kind of work you did now the election is done? >> we think it's important story to tell about what the state partners did all over the country, the grass roots groups that engage the community. there are, again, a cast of thousands of people who actually helped avert us from the democratic collapse. it's not just the groups that we funded. it's many other -- it's litigators and those that did election protection work, it's those that engaged in all sorts of other kinds of ways to make change and to pull us back. but we believe it's really critical to ground the work in the front lines of those that are being attacked and those that have their rights being taken away. and we thought it was critical to make sure the stories were told and were part of the

election roundup that we are now engage in understanding that yes, indeed, we have a country that is more pro democracy slightly more. we held the line. i think we have a lot more work to do, but we think it's critical that these groups are out engaged in a loss of fights yet to come. there's a wisconsin supreme court race in april. there's a potential of a policy moving forward in minnesota because of what you described earlier in the segment, rachel, the flip of the state senate. now it will allow for there to be an opportunity to do policy in minnesota and other efforts all over the country that are critical and the groups need resources to do the work. >> david donnelly of the pro democracy center and pro democracy campaign, thanks for helping us understand tonight. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. much more news ahead.

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