>> right now on interdimensional ports, text messages from house republicans to trump's chief of staff, mark meadows. pushing extreme plots including martial law. to keep president trump in the white house. uncovered by talking points memo. we'll have the details. today's inflation report showing prices rising less than expected. signaling the fed might slow the rate hikes. >> make no mistake. prices are still too high.

we have a lot more work to do. but things are getting better. headed in the right direction. >> also this hour, a top white house national security official john kirby on the push to free paul whelan from russia. and finally, getting the pan am 103 bomb maker to a u.s. court. the suspected bomb maker after 34 years. my exit interview with doctor anthony fauci after a half century career in public service. in his reaction to elon musk's twitter attack calling him a criminal. >> i don't pay attention to that. he has a big megaphone but the twitter sphere as it is is really gone berserk lately. even though i don't listen to what bother with those strange bizarre tweets like prosecuting me for what? i don't know what he's thinking about. >> we begin with those text messages uncovered by talking points memo.

described as a roadmap to an insurrection by a former aide to the january six committee. more than 30 republican members of congress messaging mr. trump's chief of staff mark meadows. both before and after the attack on the capitol. south carolina congressman ralph norman calling on the president to invoke martial law days after the attack. well misspelling marshall. pennsylvania republican scott perry texting we gotta get going on christmas eve 2020 and saying election denier jeffrey clark should be installed as attorney general. which president trump tried to do them -- until his entire legal team trying to quit. according to january six testimony. congressman jim jordan on january 5th. saying the vice president should refuse to certify biden's victory. nbc's not in a pelican from these tax. published by -- the full context in the replies with meadows are not always clear. we've also reached out to meadows as well as congressman jordan norman perry and --

but they have now responded. should point out that congressman biggs is now elected to the senate. joining me now, some nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. nbc washing correspondent -- usa washington bureau chief susan page. and law professor and former u.s. attorney joyce vance. garrett, there's a lot more texts than what i could read just now. so you've gone through it all. what stands out to you? what does this say about republican party at this point and that effort by this group of republicans to try to take over? >> the fact of the matter is a lot of these facts aren't new. cnn reported on a good deal of this six months ago. the committee used a lot of these tax in their public presentations. although they were more focused on texas in meadows and in some cases fox news personalities. others during the attack itself. the perry exchange really became a part of a much broader story about efforts to interfere with the election results at the doj. some of this stuff was well known. i think what we're seeing here

in these text messages is more of them are coming to light now is how broad the effort was within the republican conference particularly at the house level to find some pretext to overturn election results. it's on a state by state basis. some of the efforts in georgia and in pennsylvania have been pretty well documented. some of the efforts like an arizona where congressman andy bass texted meadows about trying to talk to governor doocy for example have been less well chronicled. this is the kind of thing we're going to see laid out in much greater detail. a little over a week from now when the house january six committee releases their final report. but again, what we're seeing here is the breath of the effort inside the elected membership of the republican party to find some way to keep donald trump in power on in around the sixth. >> joyce vance, what do you see as a legal significance of these text in the context of now getting the news from the special counsel that they've subpoenaed officials in six states.

nevada is the latest in a probe that is picking up speed. >> there will be high interest in these text messages that doj. they may already have some of them or even a majority of them. garrett highlighted one of the important issues here. which is that the messages are incomplete. we don't know what entire conversations look like. in cases meadows responses not included. so that will be the job for investigators working with the special counsel's office to flush out a fuller picture here. just sort of communication is intriguing for prosecutors. in some, ways it's like actually being in the room. in realtime with people who are having these conversations in trying to discern whose activity is politically distasteful. and whose activity crosses over the lines into criminality. a wealth of information here for investigators to follow up with. >> that assumes -- presume as they can get so these people to, like more

meadows, testify and fill in the gaps. the choice, we know he's resistant to testify to the january six committee. let's talk about january 6th. they didn't release their final report next wednesday. right before christmas. it's a matter of historical record. it's going to make a difference? >> that's the key question. i think it's a question that's been at the heart of the january six committee since the beginning of this work. we know that a lot of lawmakers. they wanted to make sure that they laid this all out for the public in those primetime hearings. a lot of time, sudbury speaking to history rather than to the actual american people. who in many cases hemet their minds. i talked to so many people voters who really broke from trump including some republicans after january 6th. then of course the other people americans who say no, january six was really a political protests. they don't see it as an insurrection which of course is what it was. they see this is really people trying to stay -- trying to keep trump in office who was unfairly -- treated unfairly, they would say. of, course there is no evidence of voter fraud. when i think --

when we look at this report, my question, my guess is that what you're going to see is just a lot of the same stuff that we saw in the hearing. they're supposed to corner furloughs by the you're going to see a retelling in a very succinct way. a way for the history books what executive committee saw. looking at the text messages. i think whataboutism garretson which is it's the breath of the push to keep trump in office. so many times you think about january, we we think about the people who were in the crowd and protesters in everyday people. i think the thing that elected officials and according to de p.m., something like 30 for sending something like 360 plus text messages to mark meadows. it just really reiterate how close we came to possibly having a coup d'état in the united states. i think it's still to be very shocking as a reporter who lived through that they cover that they. that we had elected officials saying we should have marcia lot. this scary thing to think about. >> when you think about at these are the people who are not gonna be the committee chairs in some cases. jim jordan, judiciary. they're taking over the house on january 3rd.

by those nine votes. nine successful elections that they got. less than anyone could've predicted historically but nine votes there. slim margins but they have control of subpoena power in and all of these committees. coming up. susan page, i want to talk to you about your new poll today in -- showing support for donald trump's 2024 bid is actually cratering. 61% say that they want someone other than trump to run while 31% still want trump. tell us more about it. >> this question was would you like trump to run 31% said yes. the alternative was do you want someone to pursue trump's policies but be an individual who is different from trump as the nominee? by 2 to 1, that is what republicans and republican voters chose. not only was there this significant deterioration of support for trump compared with polls between october and in

july. but they had somebody in mind. we asked about ron desantis. who has just been reelected governor of florida and by double digits, republican voters across the country told us they would prefer desantis over trump as their party's nominee. that doesn't mean trump won't get the nomination. but it means we're seeing a degree of weakness and from support in erosion that we have not seen in the past six years when his support has been so durable through every controversy. >> susan, before i let you go, i wanted to just also follow up with the question that i was just discussing here with you niche. you and i covered the 9/11 commission report. that was the original model. the prototype of a successful commission at the time of. because it was independent, it was outside of congress. that's what they'd originally conceived here. of course, there was so much pushback they couldn't get one created. and non congressional commission. their book was a bestseller.

the book of the report. illa two huge changes to eliminate some of the flaws that they found. creating homeland security. getting the fbi in the cia to talk and share information. all of those kind of big changes. the secret service changes. this committee report is going to be seen through the prism of a largely democratic congressional committee. as good as the actual report might be, right? >> that's right. it is another thing extending as the 9/11 commission which was independent. and backed by both sides. republicans refused to go along with a proposal by nancy pelosi devin independent commission. similar to that, to look at january 6th. on the other hand, i think they have done a job that's been pretty persuasive for a lot of americans. looking at exactly what happened on january 6th and what ought to happen next. >> and let me ask you joyce to switch gears to it again. sam bankman-fried, the former

ceo of the cryptocurrency giant ftx. he's arrested, he's been charged with defrauding investors. farming money to his private hedge fund. he reportedly now in the will not waive extradition. so there is a process and do we have an extradition treaty with the bahamas? it's an independent country now. it's not -- no longer part of the commonwealth. part of the commonwealth, no longer part of england. the uk. >> he'll be able perhaps to delay extradition but ultimately it's unlikely that hill succeed in avoiding some form of extradition that will return him to the united states. he faces not only those criminal charges, andrea, there is also a parallel fcc proceeding. a civil proceeding. he ultimately faces both bankruptcy and the possibility of criminal conviction. bankruptcy beyond what ftx has gone through but something that will extend all of his personal

resources as well. >> to garrett and munitions susan enjoys, thanks so much for starting us off. breaking news today. another monthly inflation report that beat expectations. showing inflation cooling a year over year. the rate of price increases last month slowing down. the markets hoping that means a smaller rate increase this month from the fed. the nbc senior market correspondent dominic -- there are two big questions now. do you expect the turn to continue? is what the fed has been doing finally working. and how does this impact what chairman powell may decide to do in next week before the christmas break? >> it's tomorrow. that's your decision. they're starting their deliberations today. then you'll have the decision andra to your point tomorrow. it's a looming ever larger the markets overall. this news, as you point, out is good news for the american consumer. we are talking about inflation that's running at the highest pace in four decades. we need some relief. the year over year price gains

for the consumer price index is now at the lowest level since november of last year. it's still way above the federal reserves will publicize target rate for that healthy level of inflation. it says it's around 2%. that pretty much sums up the kind of conflicting headlines that we've got. that tug-of-war so disapproving the numbers. it's still very much about crosscurrents on inflation. gasoline prices, other fuel costs. have fallen sharply. they've taken some of the upper momentum out of this price hikes. and inflation. used car prices, medical costs, fell from the previous month. other costs remain stubbornly high. food costs, are still up about have abortion from last month. over 10% from last year. housing cost, shelter costs through six tenths of a percent month over month. there are 7% higher over the last year. that's important. because it's the shelter costs of a corona third of this calculation for the consumer price index. one important and positive here, andrea, is wage growth. the real wages that take into

account how much more people make after adjusting for higher levels of inflation. there are 7% for the month. continuing that mixed story, real wage growth is still down nearly 2% over the last year. and yes, to your question, financial markets currently pricing in a fed rate hike cycle that will ultimately end with an overnight lending rate of between four and a half to four and three quarters percent. if that so-called terminal or ending rate hike campaign does happen the way it does and the fed does raised by a half point tomorrow. it implies, andrea, that we could be close to the end of federate hikes in this cycle by the early part of next year. back over to you. >> 50% less than 75 we've been having. so it shows that they also see it beginning to work. >> yes, correct. >> as always, thank you. and the pressure campaign the white house promising the family of american polio and

that they will keep working to bring him home. four years after he was arrested in russia. national security council -- top communications official john kirby joining me next. and my exit interview with dr. anthony fauci. where he has to say about whether or not we really ready for the next pandemic. this is interdimensional reporting. only on msnbc. msnbc. say hello to your fairy godmother, alice. and, long lasting gain scent beads. try gain odor defense. be gone, smelly everything! as a business owner, t your bottom line is. always top of mind. so start saving by switching to the mobile service designed for small business: comcast business mobile. flexible data plans mean you can get unlimited data or pay by the gig. all on the most reliable 5g network. with no line activation fees or term contracts. saving you up to 60% a year. and it's only available to comcast business internet customers. so boost your bottom line by switching today. >> state department officials comcast business. powering possibilities.

met with -- former marine paul whelan on monday. reinforced by administration's commitment, they say, to getting women out of a russian prison and back home. as the calls for his freedom grow, following the roof a wnba superstar britney griner in a prisoner swap for convicted russian arms dealer victor bout. >> the big challenge we had over the course of the past several months is that what russia was asking for to secure paul whelan's was not something that we had to be able to give. that is a problem we are trying to solve. our commitment to this is absolutely rock-solid, intense and this is as high priority at the president have. >> joining us now, john kirby, coordinator for strategic communications for president

biden's national security council. i got you to correct. john. thank you for being with us. state department officials say that they talk to the family. where the able to get the whelan family any kind of positive updates about contacts with russia? >> i don't want to get into negotiating here in public as you might imagine. we would want to do. we were able to give them an update of where we are. what our thinking is. and a sort of help them understand the path forward to try to get paul home. i want to be careful here. make it clear that we don't have a deal in place right now. i do want to convey that. we certainly are smarter after weeks and months of trying to get paul out previous to getting miss griner out. we certainly have a better understanding of the context behind russian expectations. and we'll be able to use that going forward as mr. sullivan, the national security adviser, said yesterday. use that going forward.

to try to get to an actual release of mr. wieland. >> which o'sullivan just said as you heard was that the russians were insisting on us giving up something we couldn't, didn't have control over. that was the russian assassin in germany. as has been widely reported, as we reported back in the summer, correct? >> that's right. it was an individual we simply didn't have in our custody. so it wasn't a commitment we can make. again, as mr. sullivan said yesterday, we're going to continue to try to resolve that issue. so that not the issue specifically with an individual necessarily. resolve the issue that surrounded our inability to get paul back which is trying to produce something we couldn't produce. >> officials have been very clear during the release of britney griner that the russians want a spy for polio and.

we say he's noticed by. he says he's not a spy. we do not have a russian spy in american custody. >> he's not a spy. these are sham espionage charges. it's cleared out of the russians treat him differently because of those charges. again, i wanna be careful not negotiating in public. it's just that there was no way that they would exchange mr. boot for mr. whelan. the only exchanged possible to us was mr. booed for miss griner. it's related to the fact that they believe he is something different than he actually is. they don't believe him to be a criminal the way they hold mr. bout. they believe he was a spy. >> to use your phrase we have now won different in our custody that we could offer up? >> i would just tell you the have anybody in our custody that would meet the criteria rusher was asking for. >> clearly taiwan espionage. and we're not. all finish that thought, not

that those words into your mouth. let's talk about brittney griner. and how she's doing. she's making a recovery at her own pace. we understand formation that she shot some hoops the other day. there was a lot said about her whole -- how engaging she was. talk to me about what you are hearing. >> i'm hearing the same thing, andrea. she isn't good spirits so is her wife cherelle. all accounts that were getting is that she's in good health around probing too deeply because this is a personal issue between her family, her doctors, and just herself. what we understand is she's in good health. she'll work through this reintegration care at her own pace. how long it lasts would be up to her, cherelle, and the medical staff there in san antonio and then she'll be able to reintegrate as best as possible. that's our goal here is to make

sure that before she begins the re-assimilation into american society. that she can do so in confidence. both with mental confidence and physical confidence. >> there is been some noting in some surprise that a veteran putin today did not have his marathon and he news conference. any insights as to why -- what the significance could be. could it be the setbacks he suffered in ukraine? >> no idea. i think would be very difficult for a second and that is going to figure why he postpone this news conference. as. you know this is the thing he looks forward to every year. he walks this on for quite some length of time with literally hundreds of reporters in the room. we're just not sure why he didn't do it. whether it's canceled or whether it's postponed. but we'll see where it goes going forward. what we're focused on is making sure that we can keep ukraine fully informed about all the

security assistance for providing them. the president had a chance to speak with president zelenskyy over the weekend. we just announced another $275 million worth of security assistance. we want to make sure that we are doing everything we can to help ukraine succeed on the battlefield. >> on the suspect remains what appeared monthly and -- we are told that this was the government to government arrangement. and that i've been told it's multi agency in our part. can you give me any other insights into how we got him back. >> i'm afraid not. i'm going to refer you to the justice department of this one. for more detail. we want to be very careful here that we don't do anything with an ongoing legal case here. i think we can all take a measure of solace and pride in the fact that he has now been apprehended. and will now face justice. we hope that the victims

families also take a measure of solace from of this. that even after all those many years, that justice is still being pursued and it will be pursued in this case. >> based on what we know publicly. he got out of prison a month ago. and we were told that this was done through regular procedures. that's what the nsc said. that's what the state department said. regular procedures meaning this is not a case of a rendition or we swooped in and grabbed a guy and pulled him out. >> again, i want to preserve some space for the justice department's feet this. but in general yes this was a regular procedural process here. that got him back into our hands and he'll now face justice. >> john kirby, as always, thank you so much. good to see you. of next. the exit interview mike. sense of talk with doctor anthony fauci about what he calls a cesspool of

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forever to as americas doctor is stepping down this month. as a director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. at the national institutes of health. as chief medical adviser to president biden. during his decades at nih, fauci advised seven presidents and had to deal with hiv aids, bird flu, the anthrax attacks, ebola, zika and of course covid-19. in 2008, president george w. bush presented him with a presidential medal of freedom. the nation's highest civilian honor for his work on hiv/aids and for the pet farm program providing critical treatment africa. i sat down with a mystery talk about his long career. the triumphs and the challenges. >> here you are after the storied career. about to step down. from this position as you go on to new adventures. elon musk tweets out his

pronouns are prosecute fauci. so he's describing you as a criminal. who should be prosecuted. and how do you feel when someone with that big a megaphone labels you a criminal? >> to be honest, with -- i don't pay attention to that. yeah, he has a big megaphone. the twitter sphere as it is this really gone berserk lately. it's going to become almost a cesspool of as misinformation. so i don't -- not even sure what he said. but i don't pay attention. i don't have a twitter account and. i don't tweet. i don't listen to tweets. so whatever he said, i'm not paying attention to it. >> you had plenty of defenders. john bratton, former say directors -- dr. fauci is a national hero. who will be remembered for generations to come for his innate goodness. in his contributions public health. despite your busy success he said, you will be remembered for fueling public hate and divisions. the real impact of the public

hate and the divisions. the politicization of public health. it's really something that you've had to deal with. >> i've had to deal with and even though i don't listen to or bother with those strange bizarre tweets like prosecute before what? i don't know what he's thinking about. what it does is it really is -- turns people away, i'm afraid younger individuals for interesting getting into public health. might say what is all this about where public health officials who are doing nothing more or less than trying to save peoples lives by promoting and public health principles. get attacked for reasons that seem inexplicable. it really is, i believe andrea, a manifestation of the profound divisiveness which we have in our society right now. and the politicization of science which leads to absurd statements like that. >> your life has been threatened. there been that threats against your family your wife your children. what's it like to live under

that when you know that what you're trying to do is advance public health and save lives. >> it seems rather paradoxical of about the situation. obviously, it is not at all wasn't. yes, my life is being threatened. the thing that bothers me most is the preposterous nature of harassing and threatening my wife and my children. what kind of a coward does that? to -- threaten and harass the children. the innocent children of a person who's a health official in the wife of a person -- to what end. it really is a manifestation of how bizarre our society has gotten. >> the society is now facing real threats. there is a triple threat this, covid, there is the flu, there are a speedy. people are getting the flu vaccine as much as they should. do you think that's a result of the politicization of covid? i think that the idea that people who otherwise you would

expect to get vaccinated are not getting vaccinated. a lot of it, as we know, it's related to ideological persuasion. it's no secret that if you look at a red states, versus blue states, that the red states are under vaccinated and the blue states are much more vaccinated. if you look at the deaths among unvaccinated unvaccinated people, the unvaccinated are very much highly way towards hospitalization and death in the vaccinated individuals and vaccinated in booth. there is a preponderance of one political persuasion and one group versus the other. i feel badly for that because as a physician and the scientists, i don't want to see anybody suffer. i don't see anybody die from an infectious disease. that's preventable. and that's the thing. we have a vaccine that can save peoples lives. and people are not using it for reasons that have nothing to do with good public health principles. but had to do a political

ideology. that is crazy. >> the fact that people are not getting the flu shot, which used to be an automatic. >> it's a spillover effect. it's a spillover. it's a spillover effect through influenza. we're not getting as many people at this point in time vaccinated with flu. we've had in previous years. i'm even more afraid it's going to spill over into the childhood vaccinations. the measles, moms, rubella and things like that. that would be a terrible tragedy. >> you are standing next to the president in all these covid briefings. how difficult is it for you when you hear him saying things that you know are not accurate? about public health? >> it's difficult. because i have a great deal of respect for the office the presidency of the united states. as they do for all government institutions. but i felt i had to speak up against and contradict what he said. not only for my own professional and personal integrity but my responsibility to the american public.

when you hear things being said that are just not true. the people on the far-right somehow construe that i enjoyed that. but i was trying to undermine him. i did enjoy that at all. i just felt very uncomfortable. but i had to do it. >> you hear the president of the united states promoting hydroxide -- listening to advisers like a doctor in california and his trade advisers. and the government, the federal government spending according to some reports $20 million to buy that stop pilot for covid. what can you do in your role? >> speak up, like i did. it didn't help much because he just kept on doing what he wanted to do. but it had the result of creating a phenomenal amount of hostility against me among the people around him. which has spilled over into the people who are very much listening to everything that he has said. that has made it very uncomfortable. a reason why i'm getting so many threats against me.

>> do you think that lives were lost because of the way all of this became so polarized? >> when i say things like that, it gets thrown out of proportion. the soundbites. but the fact is vaccine save lives. if you say something or do something to dissuade people from getting vaccinated, then lives will unnecessarily be lost. that's just a fact. >> in masks. >> same thing. masks, physical distancing, all the things that are good public health principles. >> when you look back now, is there something you think you could and differently to avoid this politicization? >> i don't think i could've done anything to avoid politicization and the profound degree of divisiveness and society. i always try to examine is there anything i couldn't differently because certainly nobody's perfect. least of all me. that's for sure. so i look back. maybe we could've been explaining a little bit more carefully about the scientific process that things change.

that as the virus evolves, january's different february then different from march. so we -- knew in january what we knew in april, may, june, in july. may have said or done things differently. that's following the information that you haven't at the time. that gets interpreted and distorted by some as the scientists are flip-flopping. we're not flip-flopping. we're going with the data we happen to have. and one of the beauties of sciences the flexibility. it's a self correcting process. when you get information that counters some of the information you had earlier. you've got to go with the most accurate and correct enough to date information. >> coming up. more from dr. anthony fauci. as he closes out a career of public service. what might be next for him. this is andrea mitchell reports on msnbc. msnbc rizon. (vo) this holiday season verizon gives you the new iphone 14 pro. plus apple watch se, ipad and beats fit pro. all on us.

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history recorded it. they become -- the record will history recorded it. dave occurred in our lifetime and they will continue to recur. you can't predict exactly when. there are some lessons. the kinds of responses to a pandemic, scientific response and a public health response. what were 12 for us was the scientific response. the investment we made and basic and clinical by medical research. allowed us to get a vaccine available for people within 11 months of the identification of the virus. which is beyond unprecedented. we've never had anything like that. it usually takes several years. that was a scientific and logistic accomplishment. the thing that didn't do us well it was what we thought was good public health preparedness. we've got to do better to modernize the way we get data in realtime. as opposed to being a month or two or three behind what's happening. those are the things that we've got to really do better at. >> have we learned something about the cost of keeping kids

home from school? would you do that differently? >> certainly at the time, that we had a shut down, you have to shut down for a very finite period of time. you don't want to extend that beyond what is necessary. as you know, after we started getting people, children back, i was very vocal in doing whatever we can to get the children back to school safely. that's really what we needed to do. yes, there are collateral effects of keeping children out of school. there are also collateral effects on children just on the basis of the outbreak. the stress in society. people losing their grandparents. sometimes their parents. those also have a great effect on children. >> what have we learned about the national strategic stockpile? is it in better shape now for ppe and ventilators and vaccines? >> it is. one thing that we want to make sure that we don't slip is that a year from now or a couple

years from now, we don't pull back on the funding of the maintenance of the stockpile. because there are things that you put into stockpile that expire. you have to replace them. >> the pandemic has put an enormous strain on the health care system. on doctors, nurses. are you concerned that just the burden of the pandemic is going to diminish the interest of people becoming doctors and nurses? >> the real heroes and heroines of this are the health care providers. the doctors, nurses, the respiratory therapist and others who really have been knocking themselves out for three years. we've got to do things to help them. we've got to give them relief. we've got to get them better pay. we've got to understand the mental health consequences of the stress and the strain of that kind of job. there are a lot of things that we can do. this is been a very stressful period for those individuals. >> with the rise of disinformation and misinformation, are we developing an anti-science in

society? >> the answer is yes. the short answer to your question. but the other thing that -- there is so much misinformation that we were experiencing the normalization of untruths. where there is so much disinformation that spreads predominately through social media. that people just get so used to the untruth that it becomes normalized which is really bad because then you don't push back against it. do you say that's just the way it is. that would be a terrible blow to society. i believe to our democracy. if all of a sudden people see well, with the use? there's so much on truth out there. we might as well not even pushback on it. it's hopeless. we've got to not accept the normalization of untruths. >> you've had worked on aids, on ebola, on covid. not to say all the other things you worked on. what are you proudest of? >> certainly in the arena of

hiv/aids, i directed the institute and still do now. that was responsible together with collaboration's with the pharmaceutical companies for developing the whole array of lifesaving drugs that have led to literally having people with hiv live a normal lifespan which is save millions of lives. i'm also proud of the facts and humbled by the fact that i've had the privilege of working with president george w. bush to be one of the architects of the presidents emergency plan for aids relief for -- which clearly has saved now over 20 years about 20 million lives throughout the world. >> you're going to be 82 on christmas eve. >> correct. >> what's next for tony fauci? >> the next chapter in my life. i want to be able and i will do things outside of the venue of the united states government. as a private citizen. in teaching and lecturing in

writing. hopefully getting back to the conversation we just had to inspire younger people to go into science and for those who are in science to inspire them to continue what they do in the realm of the health of the american public. and hopefully so many public service like i've had the privilege of doing for almost 60 years now. >> it's really extraordinary. 60 years. what are you going to miss? >> mostly the people. it's just an extraordinary group of people, it really is a shout out to government service. the people at the department of health and human services, the people at the nih where i worked for 54 years. the collegiality, the spirit of people really devoting the professional lives to serving the public. when you are a health arena, it's to serve the public by helping to preserve and protect the health of the american public. that's a great feeling of

satisfaction and gratification. when you know what you do when you go to work. might help someone with their health. prevent or treat an illness. prevent them from premature death. those are the things that give you a great deal of gratification and good feeling. that's what i'm going to miss the most. >> you're not gonna see senate hearings. >> some of them are rather plus. and others are not. when we are giving our case and we get a good appropriation. those are really friendly. sometimes you get a little bit pushback as it were. >> would you consider public service again? >> yeah, if i had to do it over again, absolutely, hunted percent. and i recommended to people. it's not for everyone. but if you have the slightest inclination for it, it can be a very satisfying and fulfilling field. >> thank you for everything you've done. >> appreciate. for having me. >> come on back with the book or whatever it is it's going to be.

not the last women hear from tony fauci. >> thank you. >> thank, you doctor. >> and marriage equality just hours before president biden is sending the right to same sex marriage into law. we'll talk to a survivor of the pulse nightclub shooting about increased violence against the lgbtq community. this is andrea michelin reports on msnbc. on msnbc

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( ♪♪ ) sixt. rent the car. president biden will sign the same-sex marriage bill into law this afternoon at the white house. the president is likely to mention as vice president, he endorsed same-sex marriage back in 2012 on "meet the press." getting ahead of his boss, president obama. >> more and more americans come to understand what this is all about is a simple proposition who do you love? who do you love? and will you be loyal to the person you love. ask that's what people are finding out is what all marriages are about. >> joining me is the press secretary who survived the pulse nightclub shooting and will be testifying about threats to the lgbtq community and will atend

the signing ceremony today. so thank you for squeezing us in. it's good to see you again. tell me what it means to you to see this signing ceremony. to be there where it's happening. >> good news feels good. it's a testament to the project that lgbtq people have made. it's a scary time to be lgbtq in this country. there's an incredible amount of backlash. we're going to talk about that in front of the house oversight committee tomorrow. but that backlash is coming as a result of of the incredible progress we have made. a vast majority of people in this country believe that love is love. marriages shouldn't be recognized no matter who those people are. and a majority believe they are deserving of protection from dus crimination. so today is a big day. it's taken us a long time to get here. there's going to be thousands of my closest celebrating with me. and tomorrow we get back to work

calling attention to the real and violent backlash happening awe cross the country against lgbtq people. >> there's a bitterness because your friends were among the 49 killed in that orlando nightclub shooting in 2016. so the sacrifices of their lives hardly realized by what is accomplished today, but how frustrating has it been for you to have politicians, the governor of florida ron desantis, other republicans go after lgbtq americans to score political points? >> it's been ir fur rating. especially in the wake of the shooting at club q we have warned people that this would be inevitable consequence of that unbridled hatred. we said from the very beginning that if you spend your entire political career dehumanizing a population of people who just

want to live alongside their neighbors free of violence and discrimination, when you make your entire political persona making life as difficult and miserable as possible for those people, then you also embolden the right wing extremists who would carry out acts out of violence. my community knows the wake of that hate. my community knows the consequences of that unbridled hatred. it's incredibly frustrating, and dare i say ir furuating that we have politicians like ron desantis who don't care about outcome. they don't care about how the future looks for our children. all they care about is climbing to the next rung of the political ladder. it's my hope that tomorrow's hearing allows us an opportunity to call a spade a spade and to start to have a real conversation about where we draw the line in this country around political discourse. >> what accountability would you want after the colorado shooting at club q? >> first and foremost, i want to

see people lose their jobs who have trafficked in these disgusting and vile tropes about lgbtq people. remember it was governor ron desantis and all the talking heads, all of them who have been trafficking in these insinuations that lgbtq people are a threat to children simply by existing. and that is what has emboldened and empowered right wing extremists to carry out acts of violence, to fire bomb a donut shop, to show up armed at drags around the country. it's that rhetoric that has inflamed this bigotry and this hate in the country. i would like for those people to start feeling real accountability. would like for people like ron desantis to lose their jobs. i would like for people to like tucker carlson to lose advertisers. i would like for us to have a real conversation about what thaeds loo to in country. >> to be continued. we'll be watching tomorrow. and this afternoon's signing,

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