hi there, everyone, we are covering multiple breaking stories as we come on the air including a big announcement from the january 6th select committee. we are awaiting remarks from vice president harris, she's underway, and president joe biden, let's listen. >> i saw tears of joy that day, as people celebrated basic human rights. the right to be recognized as a

family. the right, to be with the person you love, whether at a military graduation, a hospital bedside, or a naturalization ceremony. i also think back to june 28th, 2013, when, after we won the fight to strike down proposition 8, and i have the privilege and honor to pronounce my friends, chris perry and sandy steere, spouses for life, again, at san francisco city hall, and this time it was on the harvey milk balcony. and chris and sandy are here today, with their four sons, elliot, frank, spencer and tom.

and of course then, let us think about today. december 13, 2022. a day when, thanks to democrats and republicans, we finally protect marriage rights in federal law. for millions of lgbtq americans and interracial couples, this is a victory, and it's part of a larger fight, the dobbs decision reminds us that fundamental rights are interconnected, including the right to marry who you love, the right to access contraception, and the right to make decisions about your own

body. so, to continue to protect fundamental rights, let us continue to stand together, because that is the beauty of the coalition assembled here today, who fight for equality, as activists, and allies, and parents, and neighbors, and young leaders, and as the great harvey milk once said, i quote, rights are won, only by those who make their voices heard. and because you major voices heard, marriages are more secure , and joe biden is our president

, a president who elevated lgbtq leaders to every level of our administration, who fights for the safety and freedom and dignity of all people, every single day, and so, with pride, let us welcome, the president of the united states, joe biden .. >> hello! hello! hello! today is a good day!

a day america takes a vital step toward equality. for liberty and justice, not just for some, but for everyone. everyone! creating a nation to nation where decency dignity and love are recognized and honored and protected. today, i signed the respect for marriage act into law, deciding whether to marry, who to marry, is one of the most profound decisions a person can make and as i've said before and some of you might remember, on a certain tv show, 10 years ago, i got in trouble, marriage, it's a simple proposition, who do you love? and will you be loyal to that

person you love? it's not more complicated than that. the law recognized that everyone should have the right to answer those questions for themselves, without the government interference. it also secures the federal light right to protections that come with marriage, like when your loved one gets sick, and you've legally been recognized as the next of kin, for most of our nations history, we denied interracial couples and same- sex couples from these protections. we failed, we failed to treat them with an equal dignity and respect, and now, the law requires interracial marriage and same-sex marriage must be recognized as legal in every state in the nation!

i want to thank all of you for being here today, for being part of this important movement, joe, doug, i cabinet members including pete buttigieg , and a special thanks to her performance, joy, sam, cindy, look, when the game aims,men's choir and the members of congress here today, the senate, this bipartisan vote, simply would not have happened without the leadership and persistence of a real hero, tammy baldwin, senator tammy baldwin. and thank you, susan collins, and leader schumer, senators portman, cinema, booker, tillis, and the house, this would not have happened without nancy pelosi, the speaker.

equality and dignity for the lgbtq community has always been her northstar, from her first speech on the house floor pledging to end aids and signing the bill today, all that time spent madame speaker, on behalf of all americans, thank you for this and so much more, for your decades of service. we also owe a special thanks to representatives like jerry nadler, who first introduced the respect for marriage act a decade ago, david sicily and charisse davis, as leaders of the equality caucus and so many others many of whom are here today, who did what was right, standing behind me, are dozens

of plaintiffs up there, don't jump. dozens of plaintiffs who fought for marriage equality through the years as well as families whose existence would not be possible without the bonds of love that this law honors and protects. look, we are here to celebrate their courage, and everyone who made the day possible. courage, that led to progress, we've seen over the decades, progress that gives us hope, that every generation will continue toward our journey to a more perfect union. on this day, i think of mildred and richard loving, a young woman of color and a young white man, they met as family friends and eventually fell in love. in 1958, they drove to washington, d.c., to get married, because the relationship was illegal in virginia. they went back home, five weeks later, police burst into their

house and arrested them for the crime of being married. the crime of being married. they were sentenced to one year in prison unless they agreed to leave virginia and not return for 25 years. they appealed the sentence, and it wasn't until nine years later, in 1967, the supreme court of the united states ruled unanimously undeclared the loss against interracial marriage were unconstitutional. today, today we are joined by one of the lawyers who represented the lovings and the widow of the other lawyer that took the fight to the highest court because they believed their love should not be criminalized, but should be honored and respected, as mildred loving said, radius generations were, quote, bitterly divided over something that should have been so clear and bright. no one could put it better, and

later mildred fought something else that's so clear and bright, marriage equality for lgbtq americans, and today we celebrate our progress, from hawaii, the first day to declare that denying marriage of same-sex couples unconstitutional to massachusetts, for state to legalize marriage equality for couples like gina and heidi who you just heard from. to all the advocates excuse me, who worked to block or overturn state bands, as you heard earlier, vice president harris took a stand as attorney general in california. others also spoke out, one of them was my son, beau biden, who was attorney general in the state of delaware in the push to add

jenner identity under protections as well. today, remember edie windsor, and her partner, in 1965, they met in their 30s, they fell in love, secretly got engaged, edie wore an engagement pen rather than a ring, to avoid questions. they have 40 wonderful years together, then via was diagnosed with ms, and edie became her full-time caregiver, they went to canada, they got married as edie would say, don't postpone joy and then, she died soon after grieving edie learned since their marriage was was a legally recognized, she would

have to pay $360,000 in estate taxes. strangers rather than partners for decades, it's simply unacceptable. so edie took her case to the supreme court and she won't, before edie passed away, she fell in love again at age 87, finally experience the joy and dignity of legally recognized marriage to judith, judith is here today with us. judith, are you up there? also here today are many of the 16 plaintiffs that help bring us here. they were subjected to intense public scrutiny and harassment, physical threats of violence, for years, as the case is made their way through the courts. jim couldn't be here today, but he and i spoke on that day, in june 2015, when he was on the

steps of the united states supreme court, i called him, right after that historic victory not just for the plaintiffs but for the whole country and i would argue, for the world. my fellow americans, the world has been long but those who believe in equality and justice, who never gave up, many of you standing on the south lawn here, so many of you put your relationships on the line, your jobs on the line, your lives on the line, to fight for the law i'm about to sign. for me and the entire nation, thank you, thank you, thank you. it's one thing, it's one thing for the supreme court to rule on a case, but it's another thing entirely if elective representatives of the people to take a vote on the floor of the united states congress and

say loudly and clearly, love is love. right is right, justice is justice. these things are fundamental things that america thinks matter. so sadly we must also acknowledge another reason we are here. congress is acting because of an extreme supreme court has stripped away a right important to millions of americans that existed for half a century, the dobbs decision, the court's extreme majority overturn roe v wade of a right to choose. in its concurring opinion, justice thomas went even further and he wrote the following, quote, we should reconsider all the courts substantive due process including griswold, warren, obergefell, that means he thinks we should reconsider whether you got the right access to contraception and yes, we should consider whether you have the right to marry who you love and that's not only the challenge ahead.

when a person can be married in the morning and thrown out of a restaurant for being in the afternoon, this is still wrong. wrong. that's why the people you heard speak today continue to fight the pass the equality act. when hospitals, community centers are threatened and intimidated, excuse me, because they support lgbtq children and families, we have to speak out. we must stop the hate and violence, you just saw in colorado springs, a place of acceptance and celebration, it was targeted for violence and terror. we need to challenge the hundreds of cynical laws introduced in the states, targeting transgender children, terrifying families and criminalizing doctors who give children the care they need. we

have to protect these children, so they know they are loved and we will stand up for them, and see for themselves. folks, racism, anti-semitism, homophobia, trance phobia, they are all connected. but the antidote to hate is love. this law and the law it defends, strike up low against pete in all its forms, and that's why, this law matters to every single american, no matter who you are, or who you love, this shouldn't be about conservative or april, red or blue, no, this is about realizing the promise of the declaration of independence, a promise rooted in the sacred and secular beliefs. a promise that we are all created equal, we are all entitled to what lincoln called, an open field

and a fair chance. you know, there's nothing more decent more dignified, more american than what we are doing here today. it's about who we are as a nation. it's about the substance of our laws, it's about being true, to the best of the soul of america. decency, dignity, love. let me close with something else that happened on the same day that congress sent me this bill. brittney griner was finally on her way home. i got to know her incredible wife as i worked to bring britney home from her unjust imprisonment in russia. we were together in the oval office, her wife and i we heard britney's voice on the phone when she was freed and we addressed the nation together and when we did that, britney's wife said, quote, today my

family is whole. my fellow americans, life altering, love of commitment, that is marriage. thank you to everyone, on the hard five victory generations in the making. it's been a long road, but we got it done. we will continue the work ahead, i promise you. god bless you all, and may god protect our troops and now, let me sign the respect for marriage act into law.

>> all right! ♪ baby i was born this way ♪ >> and historic day in the story of our country and an historic day in the presidency

of joe biden. president joe biden when he was vice president, getting ahead of his boss then president obama, in declaring that administration support for marriage equality. a powerful speech touching on all that is important and good about today and all that remains under threat including, by the supreme court, some very pointed comments there from president biden, about a supreme court that, in its decision to overturn roe versus wade, singled out and said that we should reconsider griswold, obergefell and lawrence. this law, celebrated to law signed into the law with bipartisan support, joining and listening this moment along with me, washington post associate editor, host of msnbc, the sunday show, my friend and colleague, jonathan

capehart is here plus tim miller, joins us, jonathan capehart, your reaction? >> this is incredible, i've been on the air at least twice now, not being terribly enthusiastic about the respect for marriage act, but i recognize the power of this moment and the power of that law, we have to understand that even though it's limited, it codifies same-sex marriages in this country in case obergefell goes down. and i want to point something out, as you are speaking and the president signed the bill into law. one of the things i always do is watch to see who the president gives the pen to, he gave the pen vice president harris, and i think, what we are seeing today is historic, because, in vice president harris, and president biden, we are seeing the sweep of history, when it comes to marriage equality. vice president harris was the da in san francisco in 2004,

when she performed probably one of the first same-sex marriages in the country, she did that in san francisco, fast-forward to 2012, on meet the press, with our late dear colleague tim russert, if memory serves, where then vice president biden says that he is in favor of same-sex marriage, getting ahead of the president himself, then president obama, and now here we are, 10 years later, 2022, with president biden, signing into law the respect for marriage act in perhaps, one of the most -- i'm having a hard time finding the words for how historic this moment is for a community that finds itself, the lgbtq community, that finds itself as targets, by politicians and others, who, through their rhetoric speak harm towards the community, and others who act on that rhetoric, and then, you know,

sheds violence on this community, to have the president of the united states speak affirmatively, sign a law that protects our families and speaks to our lives with dignity and respect, and to be standing there with the vice president, who was there at the fight of marriage, almost 20 years ago, with an out secretary in pete buttigieg, overwhelming, and i hope it shows the american people, what it means to have a government that looks like america, but also respects america. >> you know, i want to speak to your comment just now about searching for the words. i think that this feels like all things at the same time. it's this extraordinary moment, this hate speech on you know,

accelerated by social media and the leaders of one of the two parties but this is not a democratic president signing a democratic law. this is something that upwards of 75% of americans think is the right thing to do for our country. this is settled law so says the supreme court in 2015 when it decided obergefell and this is a crowd that represents every painful, in many instances, lonely a step in this long fight to get to today, and i noticed, you pointed out who got the pen, i know from my time in the white house, sometimes there are lots of pens and lots of people who probably deserve a pen, jonathan. >> yeah, absolutely, and i did spy on the desk, there was a rack of pens there, so whether he picked it up to do each

letter of his name or not, whoever gets those pens, it's historic to get a presidential pen. but the look on vice president harris's face, when he capped the pen, turned around and looked and handed it to her, that i mean, not to carry all these metaphors and analogies to an extreme but, a baton, being passed in a way. that these two people are apart of this history. and it's spectacular and it's amazing that these two people, who took risks i mean, kamala harris was san francisco da and stepped out there and did what she thought was right at a time when the country didn't think it was the right thing to do at all, and then, a former vice president in joe biden, who took a step, took a leap ahead of his president to say what he thought was right, and as the

president said in his remarks, in noting that saying, i got into a little bit of trouble but sometimes, you know what, the late congressman john lewis, i think he would call that kind of trouble, good trouble. >> i have that moment, let me play that from 2012 and then vice president biden. >> look, i just think that the good news is that as more and more americans come to understand what this is all about is a simple proposition. who do you love? who do you love? and will you be loyal to the person you love? and that's what people are finding out, what all marriages, that's what they are really about, whether it is marriages of lesbians or men, or heterosexuals . >> i remember what happens next. he knew what he wanted to say,

he knew how he felt but he did say it first, and this is just a very, i think this is the biggest event that i've seen at the biden white house since the inauguration, obviously president biden inaugurated in the thick of the covid pandemic so there are probably various factors, it's a very cold day today in washington, d.c. this is a massive crowd, this is every note of history, everyone who helped move the country and the congress to this moment, seemed to be invited to be a part of this moment today. >> i guess i have two thoughts, one, on president biden, obviously a massive political and substantive policy win for him and he deserves to have this big event today, it's 10 years since that meet the press comment that he made, he was the one that went out there and did it, maybe out of turn a little bit but sometimes you need to be out of turn.

and he was right to do it then, and what happened the next day or later that day, the obama white house half walks that back and i just think about that level of progress, from that to this celebration. i was reading this morning, that the original law, in 1996, bill clinton signed that bill in the dark of night, on an airplane, or he got back late from the west coast trip and signed it at midnight, no big event to sign the defense of marriage act, the original bill. that bill, zero republicans objected to that bill, there were only 67 democrats in the house, 14 in the senate that voted to reject that. so thinking of that moment in 1996, you know, he passes this bill in the shame, basically, in secret, and that shame is being thrust on all of us, i think about who was at this

event now, pete buttigieg would have been in the closet in 1996, all of those people, the plaintiffs in the marriage cases, whose families are now codified, represented, that they are safe, that showed up at the white house today, that fight for this, none of their relationships you know, were acknowledged by the government back then, so, that's only 26 years. if you think about a quarter- century to go from that kind of furtive shame filled moment to now having this massive celebration, that openly married secretary of transportation, a bipartisan bill passed, it's just so phenomenal, and a really moving moment for me, taking it all

in. >> tim opened the door and i will plow through it. what sort of personal reflections and feelings can you share right now? >> well, one, i was one of the people, a few thousand people invited to the bill signing, and couldn't get there. but you have to understand, the respect for marriage act, is doubly important to me because it not only protects same-sex marriages, it protects interracial marriages, and i am somebody who is in both. so, for me, you know i'm focused primarily on what this means for me and my husband. that if we decide to leave washington and move back to his home state of north dakota, where, there's a constitutional amendment still on the books that bands safe sex marriage. it's banned by law that if obergefell were to go away, that the state and the federal government, because of this law would have to continue to

recognize our relationship . and to piggyback on something tim was saying about just the sweep of history, a quarter-century between the defense of marriage act and where we are right now, thinking about all of the people who the names we know, the advocates, the lawyers who argued the cases before the supreme court court, before lower courts, the people themselves, the plaintiffs, who decided to take action, to stand up for themselves, and then at the same time, stand up for me, and to stand up for tim, and to stand up for rachel, and to stand up for all of our friends, and colleagues, who, all they want to do, all we want to do is live our lives, live our lives with maybe and live our lives with the people we love. and to raise our families in

the best way we can and to impart the values that we were taught, and we learned, not just as people, but also as americans. that in this country, this is not perfect, this country is not perfect but what makes us a beacon for the rest of the world is that we are very good at self correction. so it takes a while for that self correction to fulfill itself, but, when you've got moments like today, moments like that, on the south lawn of the white house, the most powerful house in the world occupied by the most powerful person in the world who sits at a desk and signed a bill into law that says, i see you, we see you, and we are going to protect you because we see the potential for danger to you and your family. that's how i'm feeling about this.

>> tim, i want to give you the last word. i want to inject something that you wrote about in your book, is our former party's role in making this day more elusive. and there were some republicans, this bill was bipartisan, it had bipartisan support in the house and senate, my former colleague ken mehlman was instrumental behind the scenes and making sure that it was the case, bipartisan in nature but, where in all democrats supported this, that is not the case with the republican party. we were part of a party that made this day harder to reach. what are your thoughts about that? >> yeah, like you said, i wrote about this so i can say this, guilt, i look back on that with frustration, that i was part of that. i think all of us had a level of atonement, trying to work towards fixing this. i think it's very appropriate

that joe biden is the one that science the atonement. there were many of us that work to elect joe biden last year, and kind of write many wrongs, this, being one of them. and i think it's sad, really, that republicans can't be there and obviously there were some that supported this bill, that everybody can't just hold hands and support this law in an almost reverse level of original defense of marriage act law. it would have been nice to see 85-14 in reverse, rather than still having a couple dozen republican senators and 3 over 100 house members voting against this. and i think that is one sign that you know, we are not totally out of the woods on this yet but the other side, the more acute side, is just the rhetoric that's being targeted to and trans families

particularly in schools, so unfortunately, the full fight isn't over. this is a big moment and we should celebrate it and recognize it but we can't just pretend like there isn't only one faction here that is standing in the way of other, other steps towards progress that still need to be made. >> the floodgates have opened in terms of the news god's handing uzbek stories, i want to turn to another one of them. there was a significant announcement from the january 6th select committee this afternoon. the panel's chairman announced that committees final public hearing that takes place next monday and the committee's final report will be released next wednesday, one week from tomorrow, chairman thompson told reporters that terminal referrals will be made public and voted on by the full committee, and it's monday, december 19th, that's the

meeting, and on that issue, chairman thompson told reporters that the committee is considering several categories of referrals, not just criminal referrals to doj for criminal investigation prosecution but referrals for campaign-finance violations, and professional discipline from the bar for attorneys as well. nbc new capitol hill correspondent joins us now. what should we be looking for as we careen towards monday and this committees dramatic unveiling of their final act. >> a dramatic shift to the timing here, too, because we are getting this initial phase of the business meeting that will vote to adopt the report, the release is still going to come wednesday but what chairman thompson told reporters today is that the committees been working through the weekend and they looked at what they've done and they realize they could move a little more quickly ahead of the december break for

christmas and the holidays, but of course, they are going to be giving most of the information on monday, in this business meeting which means, no witnesses but it does mean that it's going to look a lot like what they did when they initially voted to subpoena the former president, so we are probably going to hear from each of the members, speaking about what they are about to present but we also know, based on the factors, that this is going to look a lot like the hearings they laid out over the course of the summer. we watched them methodologically push through each prong of this plan around january 6th, not just the domestic extremist groups and the online miss and disinformation campaigns but also following the money into campaign-finance, the ways of the former vice president and others, the top echelons of the government work pressured by the former president and his allies. all of that, clearly going to be in this final report which will have several, print potentially eight chapters to

it and we will watch them hew closely to what the hearings were but also the fact that they are clearly going to be including a wide range of that information. you will remember a few weeks ago there were questions about how much of the non-directly trump stuff was actually going to be in this report. when you hear chairman thompson saying that there will be referrals that are different in nature, not just criminal but also ethical and in the vein of potentially going to the bar and to lawyers who did things that might have been against their legal obligations, it's clear they are going to be pulling from all of the teams that were involved in this investigation and it's going to be a wide-ranging report, which again, in my conversations with committee members, they say that was always the plan that yes, publicly, the focus was always on trump because he was at the center of what happened on january 6th, and the weeks and months leading up to it. but also, that all of the other information they collected was important, so, what we are going to hear on monday is

going to be yes, the committee voted on the report but we are also going to know who those referrals are, and what the nature of those referrals are, which is going to set up the final report coming out on wednesday, finally. >> liz cheney has been talking about trump's criminal conduct and has gone so far to say that they've amassed enough evidence that if he isn't investigated and prosecuted, it will prove to her that the rule of law in america doesn't exist and doesn't extend to former presidents. so we know that trump is likely to be referred criminally. do we have any sense if it's narrowly focused on the statute that she read from i think almost one year ago and that is obstruction of the of an official proceeding where the evidence has been put in to the public arena or if it could extend to other crimes that have been discussed, fraud and others? >> i think it could extend but it would be surprising if it

was the place that they actually began on the obstruction charge. the thing that's been true, at every point that they present new information, they are constantly not just driving back to the former president but they are driving back to his mindset, what he knew, trying to establish his motive, as all of the smart former prosecutors talk about, that is so important, but at the end of the day, sending a criminal referral to the department of justice, doesn't exactly mean anything. it means congress has proven what they think is preferable criminally but at the same time, just because you stamp it and say this is a criminal referral, doesn't mean that merrick garland has to do anything. >> thank you so much for jumping on the air and spending some time talking to us about it. and our thanks to jonathan capehart and tim miller who were here for this historic big news on the south lawn of the white house.

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we all remember exactly where we were 10 years ago tomorrow, 26 innocent precious souls woke up on a chilly december friday in connecticut, bundled up for school or work and although none of them knew it at the time, said goodbye to their families and moms and dads and loved ones for the last time. i will spare you the rest of the story because you know it but no one has ever forgotten any aspect of it. the trauma we felt toward them, to watch what happened at sandy hook elementary school. the horror, and the sheer evil we all witnessed that day. it's also a very quiet, brutal beginning of something really important. the unleashing of what author dave cohen called a slow-motion tsunami of determination that culminated in the first significant act of congress of gun safety in

nearly 3 decades this june. and that's just at the federal level. a new report reveals that across the country, 525 significant gun safety laws have been adopted in the decades since newtown. across nearly every single state in the nation. grassroots gun safety groups have stood toe to toe with powerful gun lobby's finally shifting the balance of power in the fight once thought to be hopeless. 10 years later, it's a proud legacy of newtown after a horrific light day. >> this is a time of year that a lot of families in sandy hook tried to ignore but 10 years, you can't. i guess i think about, all of the good that has been done by

these families, i mean it's just tremendous how many different charitable organizations, not for profits have been started in the names of the children. i think about how many families have become active in the movement you just described. there's no question without the sandy hook family speaking up on behalf of these kids who now live in fear when they enter their school, so, i think a lot has gone right in the last 10 years, after that absolutely cataclysmic day in san diego. tomorrow i will be in touch with a lot of those families. it'll be a very difficult day for many of them but i do think that they see all the lives that have been changed in small and big ways by the efforts that have been led by the community in sandy hook since december 14, 2012. >> we came on the air with the marriage equality bill signing

at the white house. i think there's progress but right next to it, is the pain of the pace of progress, and i want to show our viewers your comments after uvalde. >> this isn't inevitable. these kids weren't unlucky. this only happens in this country and nowhere else. nowhere else to little kids go to school, thinking they might be shot that day. nowhere else do parents have to talk to their kids as i've had to do, about why they got locked into a bathroom and told to be quiet just in case a batman enter the building. nowhere else but the united states of america and it is a choice. it is our choice to let it continue. >> so right next to the progress of the contributions, we still live in a country where no matter your party affiliation, no matter where you live, no matter, who you are, your baby start going

through active shooter drills from the age of three, and when they come home and tell you about it, usually the school sends an email but if they don't, you hear about it from your kid. do you think that will change in our lifetime? >> well, nicolle, coincidentally, off-camera next is my 14-year-old and three of his friends , and they came to spend the afternoon with me, here in congress, and just a few weeks ago, they went through an active shooter lockdown drill at their school. the shooting had happened just off campus. and this is the reality for all their kids right now. and we shouldn't accept it in this country. the good news is that these kids all across the country are speaking have built an anti-gun movement that's more powerful than the gun lobby. we saw that this morning with the bill that makes it harder for people to by assault weapons, takes them away from

domestic abusers. all of that was only possible because there is a bipartisan uprising in this country of those parents and kids saying enough. and i think we are entering an era in which we are going to see regular progress on tightening the gun laws of this nation. so i get it that the progress is not fast enough. but for 30 years, we made no progress and i think what happened this summer is not the exception. i think it's the beginning of a rule. >> and you are the glue in these negotiations with your friends across the aisle because you never seemed to reject my piece of this and you've written a really powerful, heartbreaking piece about loneliness today. talk about it. >> yeah, i wrote a piece talking about a real epidemic that's sweeping this country. we have feelings of loneliness being reported at rates we've

never seen before. 30% of americans say that they have intense feelings of lonelyless. 60% of teens are reporting similar feelings. there's political consequences to that. it breeds unhealthy experiences. leads people to sort of dark places. it gives rise to demagogues to try to use to divide us. i think republicans get this as much democrats do and so the things that we can do to try to combat loneliness, building more healthy communities, more healthy social organizations, trying to stop the way that our online experiences actually breed isolation. so i wrote this piece today on a topic most people don't think of as a political topic, loneliness, because i think it's a place where we can find common

ground and we often know these mass shooter start in very, very lonely place and that causes them to become unhinged enough. >> as you talk to the new town families, i hope they feel connected to everybody who, i don't know anyone with kids or without who doesn't think about them and their courage. so please pass that along. >> i will and thank you for your heroic coverage. i know they feel a deep connection to the chances of another sandy hook get less and less. >> you made me cry. go have fun with your 14-year-old posse. we'll be right back. 14-year-old posse. we'll be right back.

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>> mr. gaetz and mr. brooks, i know both advocated for there to be a blanket pardon. mr. jordan talked about congressional pardons, but he never asked me for one.

mr. gomer asked for one as well. yes, he did. >> did marjorie taylor greene? >> no. she didn't contact me about it. i heard she asked the white house for a pardon for mr. philbin. >> pardons, pardons, anybody. it was a shocking moment during one of the public hearings. that long laundry list almost of trump allies in congress who were seeking pardons from the trump white house, begging the question, why were they looking for pardons unless they knew that what they had done or doeng was illegal? a memo pulls back the curtain even further on the behind the scenes plotting by republican officials to overturn the 2020 election results. their specific plans to keep trump in office after he lost. talking pointing memo obtained

all text messages that mark meadows turned over to the january 6th select committee before he stopped cooperating with him and they are making all of them public. more than 450 of those messages reveal that 34 republican members of congress were in communication with meadows, quote, those texts show varying degrees of involvement from expressions of trump to the leading roles played by jim jordan, brooks, and senator cruz in the plot to reverse trump's defeat. the text messages offer new insights into how the assault on the election was rooted in deranged internet paranoia and undemocratic ideology. they show meadows and other trump allies reveling in conspiracy theories, violent rhetoric and crack pot strategies for refusing to certify joe biden's victory.

nbc news has not reviewed the original texts, but one is this one from ralph norman of south carolina. it says this, quote, mark, in seeing what's happening so quickly and reading an the dominion lawsuits, attempting to stop any meaningful investigation, we are at a point of no return in saving our republic. our last hope is invoking martial law. please urge the president to do so. it's extremely serious. it's using the u.s. military to control the government. norman wasn't the only one saying it. we knew from previous reporting that marjorie taylor greene had also texted mark meadows and invoking martial law. quote, several members of the republican house caucus believed that the president should invoke martial law in order to prevent the transfer of power. two of them at least put their

requests in writing. both of these representatives will be members in good standing in the new house majority and that is why these text messages are so alarming. these are members of the federal government paid salaries paid for our tax dollars. they make decisions that impact all of us yet felt it was okay to overthrow the will of the american people. josh joins us. mary mcchord is here, forming acting assistant attorney general for security and catty kay. josh, i opened these up and didn't come up for air for a while until i got through all of them. tell me what, we'd see so much. adam kinzinger calls meadows the star witness who never showed

up. we'd seen some of his correspondence with the trump family. tell me the significance in your view. >> i think the first thing to keep in mind is that meadows provided these texts to the house january 6th committee last year. and the reality is that he got to edit them and got to decide what texts were going to go to the committee and what weren't. as explosive and damaging as some of them are, that you know, more than 2,000 house members of, republicans in congress were willing to entertain ideas of insurrection. this is still what he wanted the committee and world to see. i think there's a broader significance though if that it shows that people who were kind of behind the momentum for the big lie who you know, were really kind of i think weakening the ground ready in the week up

to january 6th, they believed it. a lot of these people seemed they were convinced by these whacko conspiracy theories. you see this well with scott perry where he starts off with these ambiguous ideas that there was an intelligence issue then behind it, an italian defense contractor who used military satellites to zap the election away from trump to biden. there's a progression where you see various members of congress go from being somewhat in touch with reality to just completely losing their connection. people at the height of american government. >> josh, i keep thinking of liz cheney's effort to sort of condemn anyone who says donald trump isn't a child. basically saying he's a grown

man. many of these men went and sought pardons. how unaware of the delusion and illegality of their conduct do you think they were? >> i think it's always a question. you know, are they true believers? in on the con or taken in by it. to an extent, i'm not sure how much it matters because at the end of the day, the effect was the same. millions of people around the country were taken in by something that was fault. that the election was stolen and on january 6th, a small subset thought there was a way they could change the outcome through violence. so i think the consequences of it are the same regardless of what the answer is, but i will say that it very often seems like some key figures in congress generally believe the election was stolen and they are generally willing at least to entertain ideas like the one like italy gate or whack job legal theories. these kind of crack pot ideas of

what might have happened to vote totals in the election. but it's all motivated in furtherance of the idea it was stolen. trump plays this senior role. he's an animating figure. it's without him none of this would happen. various members of congress, various other politicians around the country were trying to gain access to trump by meadows and there's an interesting moment of david purdue who at some point right before the january 5th senate runoffs in 2021, purdue mentions that trump has tweeted about him negatively and that trump had apparently forgotten purdue had advocated for further

investigations in georgia. that if he were re-elected, he would object to vote koupts in the state. so purdue has to go to meadows and worringly text him, please, remind trump i'm on his side. so you can see the way in which he's a gate keeper to trump. >> so, everybody doesn't always inject this into the conversation, mary, but i will. in the house of representatives, you're on every ballot. right? so every ballot they thought has been snapped by spanish or italian laser, their name is on. it's one hell of a laser and we should make sure the pentagon finds it. every single one of these yahoos was re-elected. i think the consciousness of guilty is so clear in the sort of pigs at the trough pardon

palooza that was underway. now, trump didn't give pardons to any of the people hutchison mentions but he did hand out pardons to a lot of bad people. where do you assess the knowledge and conduct in their conduct around the election, overthrowing the results that sent them back to congress, they knew they were doing something wrong. >> i may be less charitable than josh has been in terms of thinking that any of these members of congress truly believed the election is stolen. these are people who have remember sworn an oath to the constitution. there was no significant evidence of election fraud. more than 60 courts had dismissed out of hand baseless claims of election fraud. even though there was lots of talk by people like rudy

giuliani and mitchell and others, they never produced evidence. seeing these texts today seemed more like congress members who were more interested in basically preserving their party's rule in the upcoming congress and doing whatever it takes to do so. which again is shameful when we're talking about really just throwing the constitution out. throwing the procedures an processes for presidential transfers of power that this country that be through for centuries now, just casting it aside. in terms of their consciousness of guilt, they wouldn't be asking for pardons if they hadn't done something wrong. to your first point, that laser like you said, has to be very, very precise to only make a mistake when it comes to the presidential, the president, presidential race, but not to the down ballot races. so again, i think back to the

initial point, i'm not as charitable about their true belief because if they really believed in fraud, they wouldn't have won their elections. >> let me ask you about mr. perry. this text exchange between perry and meadows is among these text messages that josh is reporting on. perry texts meadows, mark, you should call jeff. jeffrey clark at doj. i just got off the phone with him and he explained why the principle deputy won't work. they will view it as not having the authority to enforce what needs to be done. i got it. let me work on the deputy position. there's no fraud, but they're carrying out what's in the notes. trump says just declare it fraudulent and my allies will do the rest. they need it like what they needed from zelenskyy. just declare it then we'll

manufacture the rest. there's so much knowledge there wasn't any fraud to they could manufacture and engineer it. how does that hold up under criminal investigation? >> well, you know, this will be a great interest to the special counsel and now we're in another step. now we're in the step of trying to corruptly influence the department of justice to take an action that would be instrumental in the outcome of the election based on fraud, a lie. basically asking the department of justice to do so corruptly because as the exchange indicates, the principle deputy at the department was saying fo, we're got going to do that. never theless, the pressure was being brought to bear. these are all things the special counsel and his team are looking at and will continue to look at.

>> bill barr is there until he can't take it anymore. barr has left after basically throwing up his hands. . >> i don't know. i'm not sure if i've read any reporting about that. usually we get reporting when anybody is sighted going in and out of the sidewalk. it's quite possible he's voluntarily spoken to the department. it wouldn't surprise me. because even though he had gone by then, he certainly was there through a period of time as some of these schemes were going to develop. so if i were in the special counsel's office, i would want to talk to him. >> i guess all of this happens in full view.

they're corrupt and know they're doing something wrong, but they're not sly and sneaky. they're all satisfied in their own re-elections. not one of the republican members in these text messages that josh is reporting on, not one had any qualms about their elections. none of the republicans who voted to overturn joe biden's victory questions the results. none of them says i got undercounted, i won by more. none of them says maybe i didn't win at all. let's revote. not one of them. because of the slidty and integrity of the vote. that's now they know they're in congress. what do you make of the consciousness of guilt in the pardon seeking and the communications to turn to extrajudicial measures like martial law? >> yeah, when you look around the country even in the midterm elections and you had all of

those election denier, people like kari lake running for statewide offices, she never questioned the races in 2020. there was always a disconnect there about whether those satellites were doing some kind of clever job. they never accepted the races that put republicans into office in 2020 must also have had some kind of cloud over them. on the question of whether these people believed it or not, my tendency is to think they didn't otherwise why would they have been asking for pardons, but also you have to put yourself slightly back in that mindset. all of these members of the house come from districts that have been so gerrymandered that they are so on the right of the republican party and i imagine these members were hearing non-stop from their own constituents with one crazy conspiracy theory after another.

it was a feverish time. there was a ton of conspiracy theories going on and that's what these people would have been hearing all the time. they wouldn't have been hearing other news. mitigating circumstances. they would know the suits had been thrown out, but every theorist and election denier has said oh, well, it's just because the evidence wasn't there. a lot of them would have known this wasn't, but some might have heard, oh, well, there was a ton of other evidence. what matters is that they have been re-elected time and again and now are in positions like scott perry on the foreign relations committee, freedom caucus, they're in positions of influence and they've never come back despite everything we know now in the less feverish period. they've never said that was wrong. maybe that election was free and fair. maybe donald trump did lose the

election and joe biden won it even when we got out of the that incredibly intense moment. >> doesn't make it any truthier. and the notion, if people find the weather and it isn't in the right wing fox hole. there's a notion of access to the facts is bonkers. especially as they're about to control the lower chamber of congress. what do you think we're in for, catty? >> yeah, i think we're in for a whole period of investigations at the will, draw in these theorists. i don't know if you know anyone, i have friends, former friends probably, that have become conspiracy theorists and it's impossible to talk to them. there is nothing you can say that will make them change their mind. with members of congress, there's nothing you can say that

will make them change their minds at least publicly. maybe privately, but publicly, they're never going to give an inch. i think it's an indication of the power of these theories around 2020. the power that those theories still hold over members of congress. an indication of what might happen over the next two years and without some kind of moment of reckoning, these people are still presumably fully entrenched in those believes. >> josh, for your reporting, for fill out the picture of what those republicans were talking about amongst themselves, thank you very much. mary and katty, stick around. when we come back, jim hines will join our coverage on the dozens of house republicans who exchanged text messages with mark meadows. plus, congress confronts the most urgent national security threat facing the country.

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mark meadows is our star witness even though he didn't cooperate and he's in contempt. his initial text messages were gold mines and helped us to

develop a lot of leads. all he cares about is power. >> always been a back stabber. how helpful his text messages were to the january 6th committee's investigation. as we've been discussing, it comes as we're learning from talking points memo, a lot more about at least 34 republican members of congress who bombarded meadows in those messages with specific tactics and ways to overturn the 2020 election. including at least a second member now, who pushed for the ex-president to invoke martial law. joining us now, jim hines of connecticut. a member of the house intelligence committee. spelling it wrong doesn't mean you weren't for it and i wonder what you make of these two things. this consciousness of guilt that's evidenced in all of the pardons sought by republican house members and extraordinary extrajudicial steps they were

willing to take to overturn the will of the american people. >> well, you know, the text messages interesting. we know there's somewhere between a dozen and two dozen members of congress on the remember side, they don't take that oath seriously. we know there's a dozen or two of them, you saw the paul gosar put up a tweet agreeing with the former president that we should suspend the constitution. you heard marjorie taylor greene in new york saying if i haddone it, it would have succeed and i would have had weapons. people not taking serious their oath to the constitution and the democracy which it supports. >> i guess at its core, it reeks of political terror. they know they can't win

elections. that's why they're so attracted to violence. hypocrisy, you can't get past it. they were sent to congress on the same ballot they think were zapped by italian lasers. can you not snap them out of these moves they were willing to make in service of donald trump? >> you can't. we know that, right? because all of the objections that came in on january 6th even by the way people who are a little smoother like ted cruz, all of these objections came in at a time where there had been litigation all over the place. where there wasn't a single credible shred of information. rudy giuliani was pushing crazy theories and the pillow guy, but there wasn't a shred of evidence for any of these people to object and that did not stop them at the time and won't in the future. what's interesting to me, look, the constitutional issue and whether or democracy survive is

a core issue, but they're going to prevent mccarthy from becoming speaker of the house easily. these are the same people back to your point about facts and truth. donald trump, except for the presidential of 2016, is a 100% loser. he lost the senate, the house, his own re-election race. all the candidates he endorsed who sang his songs. they lost. is that going to stop them? no, it's not. >> what is the motive structure for them? he lost the senate twice and he's cost mitch mcconnell the majority twice. he's lost everything election he stuck his toe into except his own in '16. what then? he's not politically powerful enough to win elections. what explains their slave and servitude to him? >> i think these members sit on top of districts where the republican primary electorate, and i'm in the business of

bipartisanship. i've tried my whole career. let's be honest about what's happening here. the majority of registered republicans continue to believe some version of trump's lies. a majority of republicans want him to run again. and so they are playing to the primary electorate in their districts who are just out there on qanon and the other thing they're doing is that marjorie taylor greene and lauren bobert like the attention they get. that's not the attention they would get if they were proposing new tax policy. >> that's true. speaking of the things going on in the country that people care about, you created a new documentary called grit and grace. it features sarah jessica parker. tell us about it. >> yeah. i was asked by the speaker to be chairman of the select committee on economic disparity. deeply poor, red districts. poor blue districts all over the country.

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we live in a violent society and it exists across the spectrum, but the movements of antigovernment extremism lead america in fomenting violence. both the fbi and the department of homeland security identify white supremacy as the most lethally dangerous threat our country faces. >> that was today at the subcommittee. the last in the series of hearings that examine the deadliest domestic terror threats facing the united states today. the hearing today focused on the evolution of antidemocratic extremist groups like the proud boys and oath keepers and others which continue to pose a threat to democracy in the wake of january 6th. mary mcchord was one of the witnesses today in that committee hearing. she join us now.

tell us what your testimony covered? >> i really did focus on the evolution of some of these extremist groups, particularly par military organizations like oath keepers, proud boys and others since january 6th because their strategy changed since january 6th. i know chairman raskin opened by talking about white supremacy. not every organization is made up of a white supremacist, but they've aligned with them as well as con spirty theorists, those trying to accelerate toward a white ethno state and christian nationalists. so part of this evolution is a strategy of decentralization and local politics. they are stepping, realizing they can be more effective if

they dissolve their national organizations like the three percenters did, like the proud boys did, and they focus at the local level. the strategy, extremely platform gab described it this spring. capture your local county then several then maybe your state. we need to take the concepts and values of nationalism and decentralize them to our backyards. and so what you see are militia members and proud boys who have ran for and won elected office at that local and state level. we see them taking over gop, you know, executive committees and pulling the party from its establishment roots to the fringe. we see them volunteering as poll workers and elect officials and

we see them injecting their propaganda into the culture wars. in 2021, a lot was anti-mask, vaccination, anti teaching of race. this year, it's been outrageous amounts of anti lgbtq demonstrations, including armed and intimidating demonstrations. the antisemitic incidents are sky rocketing and all these things are things that militias are involved in and injecting into our local politics. that's some of what we talked about today as well as some possible tools that congress might be able to use. >> tell us about the tools. it's a very depressing and so much of that speech is, it's repulsive and dangerous. it's protected speech. >> at least when we're talking about par military activity, armed, coordinated use of force or the projection of use of

force against others. whether it's to infringe their constitutional rights. whether it's to obstruct congress. whether it's to u syrup the rule of law enforcement, there's no authority under federal or state law. not the constitution, the u.s. constitution well regulated. has always been sense before the founding. regulated by the government. the constitution gives congress the power under the clauses to provide the organizing and disciplining of the militia. gives states the power to appoint officers and congress has exercised this by creating the national guards, right? so there's no such thing as a lawful militia other than the state and national guards and federalized when called up for duty by the government. in fact, the laws of all 50 states don't permit these. and so there are ways for state and local officials to take action, criminally as well as through civil enforcement

mechanisms, but they oftentimes fail to do so. they lack resources. they don't have the access to intelligence they might need to bring cases like that to do the investigations. and sometimes they lack the political will. because remember, your law enforcement officials in state and local areas are usually elected officials. your district attorneys, for example. and so they may not want to enforce against their own constituents who they're relying on to elect them. that's why i suggested today as i have in the past and i've worked with congressman raskin on this, that congress should consider a federal para military bill. there have been some successes by private individuals and private organizations to bring litigation. my own organization. i have co-counciled in cases that we've brought under militia laws and i want to uphold district attorney raul torres in

albuquerque, new mexico. we co-counciled with him in bringing an action against a private group there that u serped law enforcement's roles during racial protest. came out armed. and we just were successful in that case in obtaining relief prohibiting that group into the feature from engaging in military activity outside the authority of the governor. >> mary mentioned lacking the political will. it's beyond that. republicans lack any desire to do anything about it because they are part of their coalition. just ask them. i mean, "the new york times" has been reporting on almost a dozen republicans with ties to or known appearances with members of right wing extremist groups. there's been reporting that matt gaetz had enlisted the proud

boys back in 2018 to create trouble and protests outside of elections there. the republican party is deeply interconnected now to the right wing issues ch. >> i think you could step back a little bit and look back at what happened in this country more broadly after the attacks of 9/11 when terrorism if you mentioned the word in america for a long time after 9/11, it was immediately associated with islamic terrorism and with foreign terrorism. now we've had the fbi and department of homeland security within the last couple of years come out and say actually the biggest threat to america in term of terrorism is domestic terrorism and it comes from white supremacy. but that shift is taken a long time because of the disproportionate number of former military, former law enforcement people who are involved in these extreme right movements. we saw it on january the 6th. there were a large of course,

the vast majority of people in law enforcement are not pulled into these groups, but they are overrepresented in these attacks of january 6th. i think you have to start looking at things like the dod. what can they do to retiring officers to make sure they don't get sucked in. targeting retired law enforcement and retired military for a reason. we think they'll be useful logistically. they go after those types of people. so what can the dod do to do better screening to prepare people better? >> incredibly important topic. thank you both for joining us to talk about it. when we come back, veterans groups are baffled as to why republicans, many republicans, who criticized the biden administration are now stand ng the way of our afghan allies. that's after a quick break. afgs that's after a quick bakre

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president biden saw the -- it culminates in air lifts that brought out american citizens. military action was criticized by members of both parties, especially republicans who chastised president biden for breaking his promise to help all of our allies in afghanistan.

and help ensure they could resettle here. in what should come as a surprise to none of us who have been paying attention, just last week, republicans got their first win passing a defense bill. in the process, they stripped a provision from it that would extend a special visa program for our afghan allies for a year and it is republicans once again who are holding up support once again for a bipartisan bill that would eliminate deportation for nearly 73,000 evacuees who came to the united states after withdrawal. joining us now, matt zeller, a senior adviser to the iraq and afghanistan veterans of america. nice to have you back. let me read what you write in "the washington post." quote, i'm only alive talking to you today because my afghan

interpreter shot and killed two who were about to kill me 14 years ago. it just encapsulates what we owe our allies. >> it really does. i'm not the only american who can point to an afghan and say that's my guardian angel. we don't look at them as foreigners, as merely partners. they are our brothers and sisters in arms. people like me look them in the eye and said yay, if you served with us, my country has made you a promise. we're going to be there for you in your time of need and we're not living up to that promise. >> you've got a list for us of the republicans you're targeting. go through that list and tell me yur message to them. >> sure. we're six, seven republican votes away from having the

60-vote threshold to get the afghan adjustment act through who's called the omnibus funding bill that hopefully congress votes on next week. there are a number of republicans we would love to see support this. people like senator tillis, cornyn, collins. senator sass and fisher from nebraska. senators crepo and rich. senator lumis from wyoming. these are all people who during the evacuation were hyper critical of the prospect of leaving people behind, voiced publicly their support for trying to do whatever they could for our wartime allies and whose offices outright played a fundamental role in assisting veterans in trying to get our allies out of afghanistan a year ago. what's been so allies out of af year ago. what's so frustrating is it seems to be the support these offices and members were willing to extend to our afghan allies seems to have ended the moment

the evacuation ended. and you're right, there have been a number of republican officials, particular snrt grassley who done their best to try to prevent congress from passing any legislation that would help those left behind. and let's be clear -- there are some 300,000 afghans that we left behind who now live in taliban hell, where women are not allowed to exit the home without a male relative escorting them. women can't go to school. if you used to work for the u.s. in any way, there is a systemic countrywide effort that the taliban have engaged in to hunt down and murder the people that we left behind. this is literally a matter of life and death. on top of the fact that, you know, the taliban cannot in any way provide effective governance to the afghan people. so there's no more health-care system and there's an ongoing famine that's killing people in droves. >> what do republicans say to

you, an american hero, a veteran, who protected all of us by fighting these wars? what do they say when they reject your question to help the women you describe as your brothers and sisters. >> first off, i'm not a hero. i served with a bunch of them. the frustrating thing is they tell us their qualm, their angst with the afghan adjustment act is the fact that afghans were brought to the united states last year in a manner they don't consider to be safe. they claim these people weren't properly vetted. i think that's wrong. i think they were properly vetted. i know the extent to which they're vetted and they're probably the most vetted immigrants our country has allowed to come in, period. but you think if they're truly concerned they'd want to pass the afghan adjustment act because it includes if they want to stay going forward they have

to undergo the level of vetting people wish they had gone through before they got on the planes to fly here. there doesn't seem to be anything other than they don't like brown skinned muslims coming to our country. that's what i've fallen on. i can't figure out why people would oppose this. in so doing you're making us look like liars and you're making us look like we can't be trust in the future conflicts you began our segment by saying my own words back to me, which is i'm only alive because an afghan man look at me when i said, our country will be there for you in your time of need, and he took up arms. we are going to find an inordinate number of americans in future conflicts will be needlessly killed because they don't have their guardian angels standing next to them like i

did. i'm trying to make sure that perception lives on past this conflict. >> matt zeller, some of those offices that you name ready known to from time to time catch this program. i hope they were listening to you today. thank you for spending some time with us. quick break for us. we'll be right back. k for us we'll be right back.

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the thick of it, it has not ended. that day continues to be a constant trauma for us literally every day, whether because our physical or emotional injuries or both. and that profoundly heartbreaking bit of testimony in front of the january 6th select committee, capital police sargent gonell would explain the injuries are physical and emotional and were quietly translating into resignations from his department. today we learned sargent gonell decided to surrender his post this week. underscores vital importance of get to the truth of what happened january 6th. we're thinking of sargent gonell. we're wishing him some peace this holiday season. we'll be right back. eason. we'll be right back.

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