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of a rye marry battle that hasn't even officially started. plus the crypto king accused of defrauding invest torts. how long he could remain behind bars as the u.s. tries to extradite him back to an american courtroom. and the powerful testimony today before a congressional committee. survivors of the attacks like the one at club q as they try toing it out what can be done against hate crimes. but we start with a supercharged partisan politics of covid and vaccines now infiltrating the 2024 campaign before it's even officially underway. florida governor ron desantis is pushing for a grand jury to investigate, quote, any and all wrong doing surrounding covid vaccines. on fox last night, he framed the fight in a way that sounds very much like a candidate. >> the authoritarians wanted to

mandate the vax on people. i protected people from having that happen and made sure floridians could make their own choice. from the very beginning, we were helping people make their own decisions, but not using the coercive power of the state or allowing big corporations to condition those choices. >> one call it a shot across the bow for the former president. presenting donald trump with a tricky political problem. how to get credit for operation warp speed and the vaccines that clearly saved thousands of lives without losing anti-vaxers who make up so much of his ways. that's far from his only problem today. for the second day in a row, a new poll shows trump trailing ron desantis in a hypothetical matchup by double digits. i want to bring in political reporter mark caputo. and charles coleman, a civil rights attorney and former

prosecutor. so mark, you wrote that the trump campaign has been worried for a year now that ron desantis would try to outflak trump on the right on the covid issue. why is this such a potent issue and why is team trump so worried about it? i think for a lot of people, the whole covid fight is over. >> delaware tan sis mirrors what's happening in the republican party. he was pro vaccine. he called them life saving. then his attitude started to shift as republican attitudes shifted. and it really came to ahead in december or so of 2021 a year ago, when former president trump was in dallas with bill o'reilly, formerly of fox, and said hey, i hope everyone got your boosters. he got booed. it was shocking for trump and surprised him there was that vocal opposition among his base,

among people who would turn out to see him talk. and it greatly disturbed him, according to people who had spoken to trump about it. around that period of time, ron desantis stopped answering questions about vaccines specifically whether got boosted. we asked him. the news media in florida asked him, did you get boosted. he wouldn't answer the question. he said it was private information. and that led trump to call him gutless. so since that period of time, that's the defining moment where trump's political operation started looking at ron desantis to say he might try to outflank the former president on vaccines. understand donald trump is proud of operation warp speed. . it did help bring to market a number of vaccines, which most studies, almost all th experts say thank god for the vaccines. they saved 3 million american lives. but there's a portion of the base that doesn't believe it. and ron desantis is starting to be their champion. >> while he's out there being their champion, where is donald

trump been? we have hardly sewn him since he announced he was running. i saw on social media he has another big announcement tomorrow. >> the recent polls have to make you think it might inspire him to get out. he launched the campaign for president, but you haven't seen him a whole lot since then. usually you announce for president and you're out giving speeches, meeting voters and he hasn't done any of that. we think some of his met vags for getting in so early was to stave off the investigation. but ron desantis is a real threat to him. he has to recognize that now. he perhaps thought if he got in early, he could treez out other candidates. but that may not hold. if ron desantis is looking at this, blowing thim hymn out in a head to head matchup, donald trump can't afford to sit around anymore. hopefully he's recognizing that. because he could be -- i don't want to say republicans are ready to move on from him. we have written donald trump's political obituary a few too

many times, but this is getting real. i imagine he will start swinging back. i think this covid issue is probably one of donald trump's biggest vulnerabilities, not just on vaccine, but what ron desantis got famous for in florida was rejecting the lockdowns. if you're a republican voter, you look back at this as government overreach. ron desantis can say not in florida. he calls it the free state of florida. >> let's look at that poll. it shows that trump is overwhelmingly favored by people who are very conservative. he leads ron desantis by 26 points. but among those moderately conservative, ron desantis leads by 30. do you think ron desantis is positioning himself to be in a better position to appeal to both groups than trump has been able to? or can you even really walk this line? can you win support of both of those? >> obviously, you could have all of the trump policies that you

like. i think that's what you're seeing this this polling. i try not to give voters too much credit like effect blt, but it's hard to not see the stench of loser on him. lost the house in 2018. he lost reelection. all of his candidates in 2022 didn't fair very well voters are saying i don't know i can trust this guy can beat joe biden. now ron desantis is very conservative, but maybe he's a little more effectible. i don't know running against vaccines is a good strategy for the general election, but he's making the case. i'm more stable. i can beat joe biden fight the culture war for you, but i'm not going to blow up a campaign by doing something outrageous. >> another interesting move, ron desantis weighed in on the marriage equality bill. granted, he was asked the question on fox. he hasn't really talked about this before. here's what he said. >> was interracial marriage even being debated in this country?

nobody is talking about that. they are using the power of the federal government in ways that will absolutely put religious institutions in difficult spots if you have people that are so inclined to be very aetc. degreesive against that. i don't think there was centerly no need to do this. i think those concerns were valid. >> does the way he framed his answer that question tell us something about how he locks at 2024 and the way he's going to appeal to voters? >> whether it's covid or gay marriage, one thing with ron desantis is he's been consistent in this. he always takes a rather conservative position. so whether or not it's being done specifically with an eye on 2024, i can't say. but i can certainly say this is consistent with who he is and that if ron desantis does run for president, what you see is what you're going to get. this is a candidate who or a

potential candidate, a governor who knows how to push news forward. he knows how to grab headlines. he does pull stunts, a good example was collecting undocumented migrants from texas, who hailed from venezuela and flying them to martha's vineyard to make a big deal out of it. he knows how to capture both the attention of the mainstreamnews media, outrage liberals on twitter and make republican hearts go pitter patter. >> all this is going on. the rnc chair spoke about what she thinks her party needs to do to be successful going forward. check it out. >> most importantly, how do we get independents to support republicans? how do we get republicans to support other republicans. and this in fighting is never going to help that. we need trump voters. we need romney voters. and then some if we're going to beat the democrats.

>> she asks the key question, but does she or anybody in a leadership position have an answer or a plan they are willing to follow? >> that's a great question. i find it funny she's talking about trying to win over independents because you haven't seen any effort from the republican party on that issue for the last four years. one thing i do agree with is it's hard to win without trump voters. i'm very much believe we can't live with them, but we can't live without them. we should make some effort to win over the middle. donald trump has presented this idea you can win election bis turning out the base. and we have seen time and time again that is not the case. you can catch lightning in a bottle once in 2016, but if you completely ignore the middle, if you alienate people in the suburbs, like we saw in the state of georgia, you're going to end up with a democratic senate, just like we did. so great, i would love to see some follow through on this.

it's not just about turning out voters. it's about persuading voter who is are swing voters in the middle. >> i want to bring charles in to talk about that new batch of text messages from mark meadows. these are from before and after january 6th. ones was from then congressman ted bud, who pointed out that he was among the republican who is planned to object to the electoral certification at the same time they lobbied for a pardon for someone he identified as robin h. that might be a reference to robin hayes, who pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi during a corruption investigation. hayes was, indeed, later pardoned. we should point out nbc news has not verified the message, but what do you make of that? could it be seen legally as a quid pro quo and be illegal? >> well, chris, i think the unfortunate part of this conversation is we're up against the clock with respect to how these will be explored.

the january 6th committee, as we all know, is more than likely going to be disbanded come january. so when congress' shift is over, the only people to have an opportunity to push this forward from an investigative standpoint is the d jorks. we're not likely to see what that looks like. there's already been a ton of information at the public has had access to that they normal wouldn't see. when you're talking about these text messages and kxs made to build a case to result in a prosecution, those are decisions that will be made behind closed doors with a lot more information we won't have. so at this point, yes, the answer is they could be linked to some level of illegality, but there's so limited information that's available to us at this point that it's just too early to tell. >> charles is going to stay with me. mark and brendan, thank you for being here. better inflation numbers and improvements in the overall economy probably aren't enough

to keep the fed from raising interest rates again today for the 7th time this year. brian chung is at the federal reserve where the announcement will be made in less than an hour. what are we expecting from the fed? do you think this recent good news is good enough for them to change their game plan this any way going forward? >> reporter: yeah, the expectation is that they will follow through on what they were telegraphing they were going to do, which is do an interest rate hike, but in an increment that's smaller than in the past. so if you recall, they have been raising interest rates by .75% in each of the last 4 consecutive meetings. they haven't done those moves in quite awhile. but because of encouraging signs on inflation reenforced by the report yesterday, now the federal reserve might have the green light to get that off ramp on the interest rate hikes by going by smaller increments. now again yesterday we got that inflation report showing that prices increased by 7.1% between

november ask of this year and last year. that's well above where the fed would like to see it, they would prefer closer to 2%. but it's lower than the 9% in the middle of the year, certainly some improvement that says they can move on that front. so certainly, watch for the statement at 2:00 p.m. and the press conference at 2:30. that does run in with the france game. i will be watching the press conference to see what comes of that. >> i want to ask you with so many people shopping online, still shopping in stores and the holiday shopping is in full force, what could today's hike mean for credit card interest rates? could it change anything for folks? >> reporter: we need to acknowledge credit card rates are at a record. bank rate says the average credit card rate was 19.4%. certainly, a type of interest rate you would not want to have to incur. if you we have passed the black

friday spending weekend so people have gone out and bought gifts for the holiday season, but it's important to remember that as you get to the time where tough pay off the statement, you could be facing record high interest rates which will remain high, even as the fed continues to move because they are not cutting interest rates. they are still raising them. >> who are the nonprocrastinators and how do they teach me to do what they do. brian chung, thank you so much. really appreciate it. stay warm out there. united airlines is making a big bet that americans won't be cutting back on air travel that has exploded post covid. this week united placed the biggest order ever for new boeing 787 buying 100 planes with the option to buy another 100. >> larger windows, lighting, bigger overhead bins, everything about the airplane was designed to be the next generation for customers. >> united suspect alone in its

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at this hour, the accused master mind behind one of biggest financial frauds in history remains in a jail cell. his request for bail denied. the extradition fight has begun,

but will the disgraced crypto currency king sam bankman-fried ever be brought back to the u.s.? the ceo brought in to run his company after it went bankrupt gave his take to congress. >> this is just taking money from customers and using it for your own purpose. it's just plain old embezzlement. >> tom winter has been following this story for us. and legal analyst charles coleman is back with us. so what happens now? the judge said bankman-fried is going to stay in custody in the bahamas until february 8 pthsth. he says he's going to fight extradition. does he have a case? >> i don't think he has a case. i'm not surprised he's choosing to fight extradition because he doesn't have many options back here in the states. he's not going to get granted bail here because he's a flight risk.

so that's going to take care of that. hen doesn't have a ton of legal remedies. this is a case that in terms of the indictment, even as there isn't a ton of of paper trail to support what it is that prosecutors are alleging, the one thing they have done well is that the charges of this indictment, specifically the wire fraud charge is easy to prove, even though they don't have the other paperwork you might in terms of a case of this size and complexity. so what i mean by that is the charge alone makes this pretty much straight forward for prosecutors to prove, which leaves him with few options. so the fight is something he has to engage while his attorneys scramable to get more information about how much parts actually have in terms of prosecuting this case and moving forward and how much of a defense they can levy and try to stave off. >> so specifically the u.s. says he's going to face charges, fraud, money laundering, conspiracy, allegedly making tens of millions in illegal

campaign contributions to democrats and republicans. let me play what one of the prosecutors said. sglz all of this dirty money was used in service to buy bipartisan influence and impact the direction of public policy in washington. >> talk about the scope of these allegations and what it might mean for any politicians who took the money. >> the types of fraud that was laid out are significant. and 5 of the 8 counts brought forward here have a maximum of 20 years in prison. so that's pretty tough for him. on top of that, the issue with illegal campaign donations is potentially quite difficult as well. we're going to have to see a little bit more about how that all came to fruition because as charles referenced, it was not a speaking indictment. in other words, it wasn't a long narrative it was closely held to the charges and maybe one or two particular acts that prosecutors proved those laws were violated.

but one of the key things when it came to the campaign donations was this idea that they were effectively a way for them to move money. through other individuals so he didn't max out on his donation. you're only limited in what you can give particular candidates, not necessarily pacts. so that appears to be the issue. and i think that's something that we would love to get more information on. who else was involved with that. the entities associated with ftx are foreign entities. it's illegal to move donations to any particular candidates. there's a whole host of details here that will hopefully get at some point. it doesn't come in the tomorrow of an indictment, which can be a little tricky when we talk about extradition matters, it is something that might come up in a potential detention memo, which gives prosecutors a much wider latitude typically to include the conduct that they

found over the course of their investigation. i would note that the prosecutors that are involved here, one of the co-lead prosecutors has a lot of experience with this and does include a the lot of detail in his filings we have seen that in the campaign finance charges that he ended up pleading guilty to as an example. >> we often hear that these can be complicated cases because of a number the involved when we're talking about billions of dollars, but we just heard the ceo who took over the bankrupt companies saying this is just plain embezzlement. this isn't exist sophisticated at all. how complex do you think this case is? >> i don't want to undersell it, but this is actually not as difficult or as challenging as most people would think. a lot of people think i need to understand crypto and all these other things around nfts and everything else. it's really not that difficult. you're talking about someone who

defrauded investors by telling themmers that company was worth more to get more money and once they got that money, they took that money and basically used it for themselves, which is illegal and they also spent it on donations to congress in hopes of trying to influence regulation for their business so they can continue to do it all over again. it is not that the technical aspect of what it was he was selling, the dream he was promising people is not your germane to the charges we have seen on the indictment thus far. because of that, it's not as complicated as people would think. as you said, the scope, the size, the numbers, all of that make it is a bit more precarious in terms of having to pay detailed attention to how this was done and the manner he got this money from people, but the premise at its core is very straight forward. >> so let me ask you about a completely different story. it's getting a lot of play around here. a major fire still burning at an nypd evidence storage warehouse in brooklyn.

it stores biological and dna evidence from the past 20 to 30 years. now officials say this isn't probably shouldn't affect any current cases and rape kits were not stored in that facility, but what could it mean to have so much evidence potentially lost and frankly they don't seem to know for sure exactly what was lost there. >> speaking as a former prosecutor here in new york, what i can tell you is this is a nightmare. it's a nightmare for nypd and potential defendants. it's a nightmare for incarcerated persons seeking appeal. it's a nightmare for prosecutors. you're talking about entirety of, and you hit the nail on the head, the fact is they do not know what is burning. they do not know what has been lost. so if you're appealing something and the appeal has to do with dna evidence, that could be up in smoke. if you're someone who is currently facing a charge and anything related to your charge

is effect connected to evidence there, that's an issue. and again, because we don't know the entirety of what is involved in this fire, you have to consider that chain of custody is going to be a problem. even when it comes to safeguarding evidence that was saved, that was a part of the fire, who has access to it, it creates a huge litany of issues. i do not look forward to seeing who has to sort it out in terms of the court of law on any side because it creates a world of complexities. >> charles coleman, thank you so much for that. we just learned today what caused the death of the late sports reporter grant wahl. his wife says he died of a burst blood vessel while covering the world cup. in a letter to his fans the aneurysm was slowly growing undetected and was unrelated to covid or his vaccination status, adding, kwaet, there was nothing nefarious about his death. devastating tornadoes tearing through the south as millions brace for more extreme

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battle at the southern border is intensifying. huge groups of migrants have been passing into texas clutching blankets and burning fires to keep warm. this family from nig rag away says they are desperate to reach the u.s. these families just crossed the rio. the temperatures are dropping as the sunsets. they are getting ready to turn themselves into border patrol on the other side of that fence. this new influx comes just days before a federal court order that a pandemic era border restriction known as title 42 be lifted. the are restriction gives the government authority to turn away migrants, including asylum seekers at the border, citing the need to prevent covid from spreading inside the country. customs and border protectioning as expect migration to keep rising saying daily border crossings could reach 10,000 per day. that's on top of a record 2.4 million already during the past year. at a migrant shelter in mexico,

we met this family of four from guatemala. they are waiting until title 42 is lifted before they decide whether they can cross into the united states. >> reporter: the department of homeland security blames smuggling organizations for exploiting migrants for profit and says it's deployed more agents to the region. >> the increase in encounters at our southern border is not something exclusive to the united states. what we are seeing is ab increase in migration throughout the hemisphere. >> reporter: but in el paso, some officials say the federal government needs to do more. migrant processing centers are already crowded. some people even sleeping outside. >> it is a state of emergency. there's no municipality to handle what we're seeing and what we're about to see with the lifting of title 42. >> reporter: again, these hundreds of migrants spent hours overnight standing in these frigid temperatures, huddling close together with blankets trying to keep warm. the department of homeland security want thes congress to

set aside $3 billion to help deal with the migrant influx that's expected when title 42 is lifted. again, possibly as early as next week. back to you. >> gabe gutierrez along the border for us, thank you. another honor for the late civil rights icon john lewis. his face on a stamp. the postal service unveiling the stamp, which features a famous photo of lewis from a 2013 cover of "time" magazine. lewis, a son of alabama sharecroppers, rose to power in washington and became known as the conscious of congress. the stamp will be issued next year. survivors of the club q shooting share their painful stories as congress looks at how to fight the rising hate and violence against the lgbtq community. an activist just in that hearing moments ago will join me next. >> this hate and volence is on the rise.

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survivors of the horrific shooting at club q are using their voices to fight the rising level of violence and hate grens lgbtq people. testifying in front of the house oversight committee today and not mincing words about what they see as the dangerous impact of hateful rhetoric. >> we are being slaulgterred and dehumanized across this country in communities you took oaths to protect. hate speech turns into hate action and actions based on hate almost took my life from me at 25 years old. >> hateful people want to drive us back into closets and to live our lives in fear, but we can thot be afraid. no bullets will stop us from being proud of who we are or will ininjure the love this our community. >> with us after herself just testifying on herself testifying on the hill in front of the committee, human rights campaign president kelly robinson is here. thanks for being here. what did you think it was important to get across? what did you think it was

important for congress to know? >> we have to honor the lives that were stole within action. that is incumbent upon us. there is something we can do. and i think today, you heard the testimonies of so many brave people from club q standing up and asking for just that. so we, the human rights campaign, is demanding action. >> let's talk about that specifically, because honestly, what really moved my about this hearing is the, moved me about this hearing is the resilience of the survivors of club q, how they talked about the love in their community, and of not letting bullets prevent them from being who they are, about how important it is to have places of refuge. so what specifically do you want people in power to do to keep targets of hateful actions safe? >> we have so much work to do. congresswoman presley said it, people shouldn't have to relive

their trauma in order for us to take action and right now, there is so much we can do to acknowledge that these things are happening, extremist political rhetoric, political attacks, plus unfettered access to guns is, resulting in our lives being stole son we are calling on one social media company to uphold their own community standards and best practices online and condemn this hate when it happens, and two, for us to pass the equality act, to ensure that lbgtq plus people don't live under past worker protections across the country, and three, to put in place common sense gun laws that end this violence, especially on the 10-year mark from sandy hook, we owe it to the people who have lost their lives. >> we talk a lot on this program about the rising level of hate in our country, and try to give voice to people who want change. at the same time, all of that comes as we're seeing real progress, the president signing the respect for marriage act yesterday, we saw the white house in a rainbow, what was your feeling seeing that law

signed? >> that was important. it was powerful in so many ways. as a black queer woman, seeing that bill move forward was the first time in my adult life i can remember my humanity and my dignity and my value being upheld in the halls of government. today was also important, because we know that although the rna was a very important step in our progress, the fight isn't over. we can feel both joy and grief right now. but we need to make sure that those emotions fuel us to moving forward, until we get to full freedom and equality for every member of the lbgtq+ community. >> to you and to all the folks who testified today, thank you so much. we really appreciate it. and we appreciate you coming on the program. >> thank you. i also want to bring in nbc's ali vitali, and she talked about progress that is being made, there has been progress this year, on guns as well. it has also been ten years since the massacre at sandy hook and

still a lot more, talking to the families, a lot more that has to be done. how sure are democrats that they can still make progress under a new split congress? or was this year more than likely a one and done, at least for a while? >> it sounds like it is a one and done. especially when you consider what it took to get that legislation over the finish line, and in many ways, it was more narrow and tailored than many would have hoped for significant gun action, but it sort of speaks to the climate here on capitol hill, that narrow and tailored is significant in terms of moving the ball forward in this space. it also falls out of line with public opinion. especially as i'm talking to lawmakers here, about what could feasibly get done. things like background checks, and other items, this is what senator chris murphy had to say, not just as the senator from connecticut, but also as someone who has been on the front lines trying to push the ball forward on gun violence prevention legislation. this is what he told me ahead of this 10-year milestone. >> for me, the holy grail has

always been increased background checks, so 90% of americans think we should be doing more background checks. >> that's been true since right after sandy hook. >> we've made some progress on that, even with republican majorities. i think things are different today. i really think that this country has decided they will not support a political party that isn't interested, in the least, in incremental changes to the laws and i think republicans are beginning to see that reality. >> murphy is speaking to a changing reality here, which is that the influence of groups like the nra has waned, but nevertheless, this does remain an issue where there is a big level of intransigence on both sides here, republicans unwilling to move on things that are in line with public opinion, like an assault weapons ban, and like stricter background check rules, but i think it is also important to look at the hearing that you were just talking about on lbgtq+ violence, and a rise of violence against that

community and others in this country, because those testimonies were as much a conversation about what the gay community is experiencing right now, as it was a series of testimonies about what it's like to be the latest victim of a mass shooting and mass shooting violence in this country as well. that hearing really was functioning on two planes, on two prongs, talking about hate and rhetoric and the policies that sometimes amplify those things, but then also the wave of mass shootings in this country that frankly since sandy hook in the last ten years, you've seen an 80% increase in firearm-related deaths of children, so it does speak to the fact that even in the wake of legislation getting done, which was significant, there's still something happening here and trending in a very negative direction. >> ali vitali, thank you so much. as always, on capitol hill for us. before we go, we want to leave you with the images of those 26 lives lost that day. katy tur will be here after the break. r the break. my dad was a hard worker. he used to do side jobs installing windows,

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