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rates to their highest levels in 15 years, and the fed chair, you see him live just now, hinting more may be on the way. wall street dipping a bit on the news. we have our economic team standing by with how this is going to affect you. also this hour, new details coming in as we speak on the attack on paul pelosi. the suspect in court this afternoon, for the first time, prosecutors sharing police body cam video from the scene, and the 911 call made that night, we are live in san francisco. plus, kevin mccarthy making news on two fronts, what he's telling our team about a possible criminal referral by the january 6th committee, and more. i'm hallie jackson in washington, along with cnbc correspondent, ron insana, and senior adviser, good to be with both of you. and let's take a beat and talk about where we are with the news from the fed this afternoon. they will ease up a little bit, pull off the gas a little bit on interest rate hikes and announcing a couple of minutes ago a half point hike, smaller

than the last four, you can see them all on the big screen, the big question now, what is the fed going to do next? jerome powell, the fed chair, the king of dropping tea leaves if you will, giving some clues about what is coming in the new year. what's coming? it may be more hikes. with inflation still way higher than where he wants it. >> we continue to anticipate that ongoing increases will be appropriate, it will take substantially more evidence to give confidence that inflation is on a sustained downward path. >> so frank, with that as the backdrop there laid out, help us understand the clues that powell is giving. is this what he is saying, that this is not the end of the rate hikes? >> absolutely. i think it was a clear message from jerome powell and the fed that the rate hikes will continue at least into 2024, and he really cited that inflation data. the fed's target for inflation is 2%. the last time with cpi, it was 7%, and still a ways to go. obviously that fight is going to

continue with the rate hikes. but i think the real headline is that the 50 point basis hike, brings rates to a level we haven't seen in about 15 years, basically since the great recession, and also, there is indicators from fed officials, not a clear statement, but indicators that the rates could go as high as 5%. sometime next year. 5.1%. something that you're obviously seeing, it is impacting the market, and it is also impacting the hopes of a pause or a pivot, that's wall street talk, for a change in direction, in these rate hikes, and also for a soft landing. that's reducing inflation without creating a recession. >> frank holland, with the business week, the wall street speak, and ron, let me go to you. what would there need to happen in the coming year to have in order, as frank says, a piv in the fed. is there any signal, anything by the fed that says they would not rate as much as they did or at all. >> sadly, no. there is nothing that they would admit to right now that would cause them, except for some

financial calamity where something breaks and threatens the viability of the financial system, they will not admit that they will change policy in any way shape or form. the reality is that the fed has maintained stances like that in the past, something break, a recession gets too deep, some other factor overcomes the fear of inflation, and forces the fed to either boost stock raising interest rates or second, start cutting them. i think at this juncture, it is too early to say. and they seem committed to one quarter point increases in early 2023 and the unemployment may go to 4.6% and nearly a full percentage point higher and that woulden indicative of a recession and at some point then they have to reconsider. >> and frank, let me talk to you about a soft landing and you hear what ron is saying about a possibility of a recession and that's what everyone wants to know, if we're not already in one, could we end up in one by the end of next year kwoom.

>> either we're in one or definitely getting into one in the first half of next year. and what ron hit on is the unemployment question. we can't be in a recession in the minds of many because the unemployment is so low. i believe 3.7% at last check. but there were some thoughts at least on wall street, with the tech layoffs, 50,000 tech layoffs in november and that would signal to the fed that the job market is cooling and the strength of the economy may be softening but what we're hear forecast jay powell today, that is not quite the case. >> the job problem is not one of an overheating economy, it is a shortage of people and the fed can raise rates all they want and given that we're missing 4 million people in the labor market to fill the open jobs that exist and currently employ everyone that is currently employed, it has nothing to do with interest rates and everything to do with demographics and the labor force and the size of the population and i think the fed is making a mistake here. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. well, we're also following new developments happening now in san francisco.

as prosecutors are sharing new never-before-seen evidence in a preliminary hearing for a man accused of attacking paul pelosi, house speaker nancy pelosi's husband. the d.a.'s office playing audio of the 911 call made by pelosi the night of the attack and the police interview of the suspect after the arrest and the body cam video and the hammer that investigators say the suspect used during the attack, all in a hearing set to determine whether or not the case against him goes to trial. outside the san francisco courthouse is correspondent steve patterson. let me, i'll lay this out. there are no cameras in the courtroom. help us understand why it is significant and what is driving the headlines here. >> no access. no cameras in court. and i think coming into today, there were some questions about what we would actually see and hear inside that courtroom, would it include the body camera? would it include the 911 call? would it include the officer testifying, who responded to that 911 call, that welfare

check? turns out the answer is, d, all of the above. all of this new evidence, does it really help us glean new information about the case? nothing that we hadn't already heard with the indictments or any of the d.o.j. testimony, that came out, and what i think it does is it provides context. and it doesn't dispel any possible conspiracy theories that somebody might have about this and it provides a whole heap of contexts as to what exactly happened. starting with that 911 call. you actually hear pelosi's voice on that call, talking to the dispatcher, it almost sounds like he is not under duress, until there's a certain point where the dispatcher wants to get off the phone and say, well, look, if you have an emergency, go ahead and give me a call back, and that's when you hear that slight intonation change in pelosi's voice that leads the dispatcher to realize that there is a problem here, that sends the officer out to the home, the officer on the stand testifying

on the stand that his partner knocks on the door and it switches to the body camera and you can hear the actual interaction at the door and the door is opened from the inside and conflicts from some of the reporting in one of the indictments but i think what has to be clear, the camera incident happens very, very quickly. i mean it goes from what's going on here, to drop the hammer, to you hear the actual hammer strike pelosi's head, to the sickening sound of pelosi breathing after he has been struck. that was very striking. but also the time line of how quick, there was no lolly gagging, these were a matter of seconds between when the incident started to when the door opened to when the hammer came out to when both pelosi and the person were on the ground. very important to know that. and to see the hammer in court, they pulled it out of the evidence as the officer is on the stand. now the judge is hearing more

testimony from an officer who interviewed both depaap and pelosi following the incident. an overwhelming amount of evidence and we don't know if the judge will decide it will go to trial but i can't imagine there is another scenario after everything that we've heard in court today, hallie. >> when will we know for sure, steve? is that a decision that will come down at the conclusion or a few days or a week later? >> it will be at the conclusion of this hearing. the question is when does this hearing end. there's a recess right now. it may bleed into tomorrow. we just don't know yet. >> steve patterson live for us in san francisco, outside that courthouse, thank you. january 6th committee, holding what will be one of its last private meetings ahead of the last public meeting we expect on monday, still um in the air, whether or not there is going to be criminal referral, including for lawmakers who ignored their subpoenas, like the house of representative, minority leader kevin mccarthy. listen to what he is saying about it this afternoon. >> you are you concerned that

you or any of your colleagues may be referred for criminal intent. >> that's the last question, and i'll answer that last question first, no, we did nothing wrong. >> we will bring in capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, talk through any reaction to kevz and his optimism, his confidence that he will not end up criminally referred to the d.o.j., and second, what is going to happen now for the january 6th committee between now and monday when they will meet for the last time? >> they're going to keep working expeditiously, because we know from the lawmakers that i've talked to, that they have been working weekends, just trying to make it to this point where they can actually have their business meeting on monday, and then of course, release that eight chapter final report on wednesday. but when you look at kevin mccarthy's optimism here, on the criminal referral, that optimism is probably pretty fair, because they don't necessarily have to be criminally referred. we don't think that the only referrals we're going to see on monday though are going to be criminal in nature. they could be ethical in nature. meaning they could refer to the

house ethics committee. that's one likely path for them to resolve the republican lawmakers who ignored their subpoena. and then they also could issue other referrals against lawyers who were in trump's inner circle who did things potentially unethical and illegal, and john eastman and the back and forth what they had to do to get his eplalgs and judges said they think something criminal could have happened there. there is a range of referrals that we could end up seeing from this. so kevin mccarthy's confidence may not be misplaced, but it might have to be a little bit more specific. because it is unclear that these republican lawmakers are going to escape being referred completely. but i think that also brings up the point that once this referral and what we see the january 6th committee do with regard to the sitting lawmakers could be precedent-setting for when the republicans end up taking the gavel here, they will have subpoena power, and we know

they have not suspected the power of the subpoena when they were on the receiving end of it, but when they're issuing them, several republican lawmakers that i talked to, they say they want to make sure their subpoenas have teeth and people respect them, so there is going to be some precedent setting here that could really set the tone for the next two years based on how this jan ry 6th committee deals with their fellow lawmakers here. look, on monday, we are expecting eight chapters to the final report. and then of course, it comes not a moment too soon because we know the end of the year, the last moment for this committee as they turn in the final report, all of the different prongs that we've seen them present in the public hearings ranging from financing all the way through extremist groups and misinformation and disinformation, and then of course, everything in relation to the former president himself, all of that could be packaged in this final report, hallie. >> ali vitali, live on the hill, their. still ahead, sticking on the hill with republican lawmakers, called out in person by survivors of the club q shooting.

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that the so-called never kevin caucus is caving just yet, and something when the president is asked about it, he doesn't seem to want to talk about it too much. watch. >> you know what's amazing to me, maybe one of the best things going on, on spending, i can always count on you for the most inappropriate question. >> over in the senate, we have mitch mcconnell easily fending off the leadership challenge from rick scott, the republican senators known as the breakfast club, a thorn in his side, calling for today's conference meeting and talking about principles and goals in the senate according to people familiar. let me bring in msnbc contributor anna palmer. let's start in the house. let's stipulate that it is not inappropriate to ask the person in the house who wants to be speaker how it is going. what is it going to take to get to a majority? take us inside those conversations that are happening as we speak. >> i think the most interesting thing here is the fact that despite the fact that the former

president is making those calls, he's not convincing folks. right? whether or not in regard to these sanctions, whether he's doing it on his own, it is not too far to leap that the former president likes to make calls and right now, the hard thing for kevin mccarthy, is to figure out what is going to appease the right, but also keep his base of support as big as possible. they debuted pins today that had okay, only kevin, and members are wearing them, that is how he is trying to make the case, that it is really only him. there is no alternative. and whether or not he had to chip away at those that are opposing, because of issues like the motion to vacate and some of the other issues of wanting to have bills for 72 hours before being voted on. the question is, do these sort of lawmakers keep moving the goal post, or is there anything that is going to appease them?

>> what about on the senate side, anna and the sort of discussion among, not even a half dozen republican senators, the so-called breakfast club, about a potential challenge, if not to mcconnell's official authority, right, and at least to his ability to pull together his conference, as he might need to. >> it is interesting, because it is such a different scenario in the senate, where kevin mccarthy is, i mean his entire leadership rein is under a scope. mitch mcconnell easily became the minority leader. he is going to surpass the longest-serving leader in the senate, in just a few weeks here, and the interesting thing, i think, is for him, is that had this agitation we see on the right has been happening in the house for a long time, and now you're starting to see it bubble up much more frequently, in the senate, and even among some people that we don't, years ago, would have been considered allies, senator lindsey graham and others, are part of that group, and so the question is, can they do much, they're in the

minority in the senate and i think it makes it a lot more difficult for them to actually have teeth. >> anna palmer, punchbowl news, great to see you. stick welcome the hill, we had snores holding a hear -- senators holding a hearing on the crypto industry and the epic collapse and failure of that crypto exchange, ftx. watch. >> do you believe that the potential benefits of crypto are so promising that we should accept weaker anti-money laundering rules, and weaker compliance from crypto firms than we require from banks? >> we haven't talked as much as we ought to about some of the, i think, really exciting and terrific applications that the crypto ecosystem makes possible. >> here's the bigger picture to this. on the heels of the arrest, the arrest warrant if you will, for sam bankman-fried who headed ftx

and $32 billion bankrupt in a matter of weeks and looking at more collapses, and two senators from opposite sides of the aisle looking at introducing a bill to regulate it, including elizabeth warren and said the bill would force crypto companies to follow the same common sense rules as other financial institutions are supposed to follow. i'm joined by senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, talk about this hearing and the new bill. because if the introduction of a bill meant the regulation, facebook would have been regulated years ago. there is a long path ahead of us. >> yes, that's absolutely right. i think the collapse of ftx was a wakeup call for lawmakers in both parties, in both chambers, and they need to start paying closer attention to the crypto industry, and well i think we've learned over time, including with the indictment of sam bankman-fried, ftx's problems weren't necessarily crypto-specific, they were more generalized for business practices, and garden variety,

you know, just complete failures of controls, as we've learned, through the course of that indictment, through some of these hearings, and it has focused lawmakers attention on the specific problems of the cryptocurrency industry and trying to get in the game here and that is what you see from senator warren, well known for coming up with policy plan, and a lot of times far ahead of the compatriots and in this case, it is a plan focused on the idea of shutting off cryptocurrency being used for money laundering, a concern of hers for a long time, that rogue states are doing it, that criminal enterprises could potentially be doing it, and the goal here is to basically pull the criminal industry sort of inside and under the umbrella of traditional banking and monetary regulations. here's a little bit of how she explained the need for this bill earlier today. >> i want to make sure that what we're doing is that we are stopping using crypto as a money

laundering outlet, that simply says that the same kind of transactions, same kind of risks, have to follow the same rules. and that means crypto no longer gets a free pass. >> sounds pretty straightforward, but the problem is, people who really liked crypto, its biggest backers and cheerleaders like it is outside the traditional system, like that it is either lightly, or in many cases not regulated and decentralized and outside the scope of any particular government control, and that's the tension that underlies this entire discussion. we saw a bipartisan senate bill get introduced over the summer by senators gillibrand and lumus, and another kind of congressional odd couple, if you will, trying to define even some of these elements of what makes up cryptocurrency, in exchange, an exchange, a broker and light regulation around, it that bill is still stuck in the banking committee, too. so i think to your final point there, we are at the beginning of a long road towards regulating this industry, if we ever get there. i mean think of how long it took, even after the financial collapse of 2008, to get to the

dodd frank bill being passed. we have not had a similar shock to the system. ftx does not quite rise to that scale that might motivate bipartisan coalition to really get serious about this just yet. >> garrett haake live for us on the hill. thank you. new reporting from texas, looking at the push to try to get the state data on trans gender people living in that state. but first, we're talking about president biden's multibillion dollar pledge, the u.s. africa summit, the first in nearly a decade. live at the white house in a few. a decade. live at the white house in a few. tony, the new outlaw's got double pepper jack and juicy steak. let's get some more analysis on that, chuck. mmm. pepper jack. tender steak. very insightful, guys. the new subway series. what's your pick?

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president biden right now hosting day two of the u.s.-africa summit with more than 40 african leaders, the first summit since 2014 and the president is telling leaders that the u.s. is all in on africa's future pledging billions of dollars for help, infrastructure, technology across the continent. we want to bring in white house correspondent carol lee. and you learned the president made a little time to watch the world cup game that is happening, france versus morocco, and the prime minister of morocco, and there is serious business here, explain how china is looming over so much of this. >> sure, hallie, the white house says that china and russia's influence on the continent is not what is driving this and not asking african leaders to make a choice between russia and china and the u.s. and it is hanging over this and the u.s. has some catching up to do with seeing russia and china expand their influence on the continent in recent years and what you're hearing from the president, he

said that the united states is all in on africa's future. and what he's trying to do is back that up with actual actions. so there's been several announcements that have come out of the white house, and some that are going to come out tomorrow, and initially, they announced that they will be committing to $55 billion for the continent over three years, and they announced today trade partnerships and the investments in the infrastructure, and the clean energy, and things like that, and what you're hearing from the president is that this is something that he is committed to over the long term. take a listen. >> this forum is about building connections. it is about closing deals and above all, it's about the future, our shared future. we've known for a long time that success and prosperity is essential to ensuring a better future for all of us, not just for africa. >> and one of the things that, one of the key things that the administration is pointing to to

make the argument and back up their case that is not a one-off, you know, exercise, that this is something that they're going to continue to follow through on, is they are naming a special representative to essentially follow through on the compliments that are made at the summit, follow up on the discussions, and so that's something that they point to as a really underscoring, that this isn't the kind of thing that they're having a gathering and everyone moves on and the u.s. will move its focus elsewhere, hallie. >> outside the white house on that, thank you. and to texas now, where we're learning more about the behind the scenes push apparently for the office of the attorney general, republican ken paxton, to build a list of everyone in texas who changed their gender on their driver's licenses over the last two years. the "washington post" reporting that the ag's office asked the state department of public safety to put that list together and emailed co-workers, we're quoting here, need total number of changes from male to female and female to male for the last 24 months broken down by month,

according to records obtained by the post. it never happened because the data did not exist or could not be accurately produced according to an email to the post from dps. and who exactly the ag's office asked for the records in the first place, we have reached out and have not heard back. molly fisk, the "washington post" reporter behind the story. molly, why would the texas ag want this information? >> well you have to think about it in context, in the context of the battles that have been going on here in texas. we've had both the a. g. and the governor, both republicans and the republican leadership of the state legislature going after transgender rights, everything from gender confirmation surgery, limiting that, or youth, limiting transgender youth participation k-12 sports, to also investigating families using the state department of child welfare to investigate the parents of trans gender youth and try to block them from receiving any kind of medical treatment.

so this was not exactly clear what the specific agenda was. >> so the impact on people, right, it could potentially be significant here. you spoke to one trans-woman who says this makes her terrify and i want to quote, the one person i don't want knowing about my gender status is ken paxton. >> this hant pushed out, this push from paxton didn't pan out but is there a chance that another push could? >> there's that. they're not likely to stop with the state legislative session about to start next month and could go on for months and they could have special sessions afterwards, if the last session is any example, it was one of the most conserve stiv, conservative in the state's history, targeting lbgtq folks and there was more than a dozen pieces of proposed legislation that had already been submitted. but it has a chilling effect, that the person you mentioned told me, transgender individual,

now working on that, and talking to someone who was a male, when you go to change your gender marker with the state on a driver's license or something else, it's taking a risk, because you're potentially outing yourself, and this made them feel really vulnerable. >> what does this say to you about the landscape in texas right now for members of the lbgtq community? >> well, i mean what they're telling me, not just the people i spoke to about the story and the trans-kids parents who feel under attack and there are some who have moved but a lot of people who have ties to the state, family ties or employment and texans and they want to be able to live here. >> holly fiske, from the "washington post," thank you very much for your reporting. appreciate it. to georgia now, where the secretary of state is hoping to simplify the way his state does its elections basically. with brad raffensperger today asking georgia's legislature to eliminate runoffs to stop using

runoff elections all together. if you watched this network, you probably know there have been a bunch of runoffs in georgia, three of them all together, and secretary of state brad raffensperger says this puts an extra burden on election workers and campaigns and voters and he floated three options that could replace the runoff, rank choice voting, a lower threshold candidates would need to reach to avoid a runoff and pushing third party candidates off the ballot all together. let's bring in a political reporter from the atlanta journal-constitution and an msnbc political contributor. it is not like raffensperger can snap his fingers and put out a statement and it suddenly happen, right? even though he is the guy, he is in charge of overseeing elections in georgia. this would have to be a legislative push from the georgia general assembly, right? does it seem feasible? is it something they have an appetite to do? >> it's feasible but you're exactly right, it still needs approval from governor brian kemp, legislative leaders, rank and file lawmaker, and will is no consensus right now, there is a general frustration from lawmakers and voters that this runoff system is costly and

inefficient, and this is exhausting. we've had two runoffs in a row that have laxed over the thanksgiving holidays and back in 2020, nine weeks over new years and christmas and hanukkah as well but it is not easy to change, as flawed as the system is because you need buy-in on a new overhaul. and no one is quite sure what that replacement system should be. it raises debate over ranked choice voting. a debate of a plurality system and 45% and you win and some lawmakers who want to keep the current system in place. >> if the system were to change, who would stand to benefit here? is it purely simply voters who don't have to show up and cast another ballot down the road? >> well, voters would stand to benefit, but you know, for a long time, with republicans, they dominated every run-off contest in statewide history, so republicans didn't want to push the change. now that republicans are more, you know, are under the gun right now, in a sense, and democrats have won the last two run-offs, now there is a gop

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today marks ten years since the horrific shooting at sandy hook in newtown connecticut, 20 students and six adults died that day. and a new memorial recently opened in their honor. there were also a lot of children in the building who survived. megan was one of them. she never told her story publicly before. hur own kate snow had a chance to sit down with her. >> i think people sometimes think back ten years and we think of kids, and you're not a kid anymore. >> no, definitely not.

>> she is a freshman at marist college now, ten years ago, she was in her third grade classroom at sandy hook elementary when the gunfire started. she doesn't want to talk about the details of that horrific day, but obviously, it has had a profound effect on her. >> i think it impacts me, like more on an every day basis than anyone can imagine honestly, think it makes me very, a very cautious person and looking around at all time. >> and hard to trust? >> hard to trust people and feel safe being at home or anywhere, in a grocery store, it is very hard to feel safe, because you never really know what is going to happen. >> i mean it strikes me that you and your classmates, and the whole school, were exposed to like the worst of humanity in one day. >> i was so young at the time, and we were all really just starting to experience our childhood, and we kind of got that kind of taken away from us. >> do you remember a time from

before? >> no. i feel it's like been my entire life. >> she stays in close touch with friends from sandy hook but making new connections at college, part of the campus ministry she enjoys doing community service and because of what she lived through, she says she hopes to go to law school and become a prosecutor. >> i just think i want to see and be a part of people, like the bad people in our society, going away, getting punished for what they did, because i think enough time is like, it doesn't really happen nowadays sometimes. >> you want to be on the side of justice. >> yes. >> a quarter hile from the new elementary school, a memorial opened last month. >> i think every time i go back to that, the whole property, of the school, it makes me feel in a way, because it is beautiful, and i think, we feel safe going there and that's what any of us

would want. >> the names of those lost are inscribed on the granite circle. >> it is very upsetting that they're not living the life that i am living there, and i want to take life for granted, and my friends and i, it is another side to this where we appreciate our lives. >> kate snow, thanks for kate and megan, bringing that story. next up on the show, the message that survivors of the club q shooting are bringing to lawmakers on capitol hill today. one of them will be joining us on the set right after this break. ht after this break. ♪ ♪ well would you look at that? ♪ ♪ jerry, you've got to see this. seen it. trust me, after 15 walks it gets a little old. i really should be retired by now. wish i'd invested when i had the chance... to the moon! [golf ball bounces off rover] unbelievable. ugh. [ding]

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capitol hill, survivors of the club q shooting in colorado, along with lbgtq+ leaders are calling on lawmakers to do more, to fight the rise in violence and threats against community members in the u.s. and calling out lawmakers who spread lbgtq rhetoric, in a house oversight hearing a few hours ago today. watch. >> the recent increase in anti-lbgtq+ rhetoric amplified by lawmakers is fueling growing attacks on our community. >> we need you, our leaders to support and protect us. >> hate rhetoric from politicians, religious leaders, and media outlets is at the root of the attacks like at club q, and it needs to stop now. >> we want to bring in two people who appeared at that show, james swath a shooting

survivor and a member of glaad, thanks for being here for us today. >> i'm sure it has been an emotional draining day for you. can you tell us what it was like and your message to lawmakers? >> sure, i went to the committee and i wanted to have that message, we need to stop hate rhetoric and we need to support americans, lbgtq americans, transgender americans, and of course, our drag performers, we all have our rights, we don't want those taken away. my message also is about love. we need to change that rhetoric, to understanding, to being together, as one people, that is our dream and that is my message today. >> you were shot in the arm at the club q shooting. >> yes. >> you're still recovering from. that your mobility is still challenged, right, at this point? >> yes. >> and during your testimony, we were watching, you said it is apparent this rhetoric, and you're reflecting this here, it is about fear, hatred that

ultimately causes violence. you're seeing it across the country look at what is happening in florida with the so-called don't say gay law and anti-trans laws across the country, and the accusations of quote-unquote grooming that some on the far right are making, and what tangible steps do you want to see happen? because it is one thing, right, to talk about, let's turn hate into love, but this is action that is being taken. >> correct. i think we need to take more tangible steps in terms of being able to speak, first of all, get rid of the law in florida, right, we don't need to make us visible, we need to make us seen, we need to show that we are here, and we're just like everybody else, and you know, we deserve the same rights. so we need to start in, you know, legislation that reflects lbgtq not just includes lbgtq, right. we need that to reflect in everyday rhetoric and we need to take new steps to implement more

laws, more ideas that help the lbgtq plus community. >> let me ask you this, you appeared and we talked this week ahead of the event, james you were also at the white house where president biden signed into law the respect for marriage act, your videotaped testimony in front of the committee was the idea this is not just upsetting, it is dangerous. it is dangerous, as you james well know, talk about that piece of it. talk about why it was important for you to deliver that message and the rhetoric we're seeing here. >> thank you. because we've been tracking it and what we've seen is unprecedented this year in terms of the anti-lbgtq legislation proposed against our community for solving no problems. that's one of the biggest issues here is that all of this legislation is fabricated and manufactured. it doesn't solve any problems. right. and then on top of that, what it

does is, it starts -- these politicians start using this rhetoric that dehumanizes us and what that does is it creates the hate, it creates a culture we're not seen as people and shooting us down is no big deal because we don't actually -- aren't actually people. and so we've 150 attacks on lbgtq events this year. we've never even had to track that before. but this year we had to go count them because we said they're happening so often, so frequently we need to know what's going on. what i am saying is that -- and what was so important about today -- is that we put names to what's going on. we named it and we're educating people that this rhetoric is dangerous and then it goes onlinep and what happens online is it starts to go viral and online hate turns into action.

people get -- you know, that's where extremism really comes to life and then it boils over into our communities. what happens at club q had happens everywhere in america. we are very concerned about what's going on in this country right now for the lbgtq community on the backdrop of yesterday. yesterday was such a glorious day, and then today, here we are talking about this important information. >> i can't help but notice you were nodding your head vigorously as sara was talkinger. >> i agree. the rhetoric is spurring on these attacks. hate leads to hate. that is plain and simple. sara kate puts into words the feelings i have after becoming a victim, so it's definitely -- definitely something that we need to address, definitely something we need to stop deflecting. >> i'm sorry. i thought you were -- >> i wanted to say, we cannot tolerate intolerance.

>> as you're talking i'm struck how you have been put into this role as advocate for this. unwillingly, obviously. >> not at first and now i feel like i have to. i feel like this is what i need to do because i don't want to see anybody else get shot. i don't want to see my friends, my family, get hurt. that's plain and simple. unless you know what that's like, here we are, right. so it's a message of this needs to stop and we need to treat others better. >> i only have a couple second and i'll ask both of you, as we look at the landscape across the country, not just sara kate you talked about the attacks on lbgtq plus spaces and events, but the broader landscape, what is your message to the lawmakers passing the bills and the americans affected by those bills? >> message of we -- again, it's

the same thing. stop the hate rhetoric. start including us because we are still americans. we still deserve every single right that every other person has here and we deserve to be safe. >> we will not be intimidated. we will not back down and we will continue fighting and we will only get louder the harder you try to push us out and silence us. >> sara kate ellis, james, appreciate you being with us. safe travel back home to colorado. jacob tonight will host an nbc news now special on the epidemic of hate looking at anti-semitism in america, exploring the hatred against jews in this country and what government is doing at 10:30 eastern on nbc news now or watch live for free online. that does it for us this hour. find us on twitter and then on my streaming show over on our

nbc news now channel tonight and every week night at 5:00 eastern. in the meantime "deadline white house" will pick up right after this break. pick up right after this break

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