welcome back to "morning joe." it is 9:00 a.m. on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west, as we dive into the fourth hour of "morning joe." we're following the latest reporting from washington as the house passes a temporary spending measure, giving lawmakers one more week to hammer out a deal to avoid a government shutdown. and more from the u.s. southern border after one of the largest single crossings in years. migrants are still passing into el paso right now, and local officials are simply not prepared. police body cam video provides new details about the night speaker nancy pelosi's husband was attacked, and new testimony involves who the

attacker also planned to go after. we'll have the latest on that. also ahead, more on the dangerous winter storm still making its way across the country as a string of tornadoes swept through the south. and new revelations from prince harry and meghan markle including who they say is to blame for meghan's miscarriage. those are the stories ahead this hour. willie, let's start with what's going on with the economy. >> stock futures in the red at this moment after the fed raised interest rates to the highest level in 15 years and suggesting more hikes could be coming. what this means for inflation, the possibility of a recession still, and the economy. let's bring in cnbc's senior economics reporter steve liesman. half a point hike yesterday from the fed but a little bit gloomier on the prospects for the next year than some people hoped. >> yeah. gloomier in two ways. the first way is that they downgraded their outlook for

economic growth. they see just a half a point of growth next year by way of comparison. normally the economy should grow around 2% would be what's thought to be potential growth in the economy. the other thing that was gloomier is the fed upped its outlook for how much it will raise interest rates. you can see they started off back in september, thought they'd raise rates to 4.6% next year. now they're up to 5.13%. so that's a big jump to where they're going to go and how much more they have to raise rates. to 4.38% yesterday. they still have a lot of work to do, so whatever you think is going on right now with interest rates in the economy, your credit card, your car loans or mortgage, it could get higher from here. >> cnbc's steve liesman starting us off this hour. thanks so much. mika? to the latest on the possibility of a government shutdown. the house of representatives has passed a short-term spending

bill that would fund the government agencies through next friday. it gives lawmakers additional time to finish crafting a $1.7 trillion appropriations package that covers the fiscal year. former president trump is teasing a, quote, major announcement that he's expected to reveal today. the republican party continues to assess why it never got the red wave it was promised by trump in the midterm elections. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is reminding reporters that he saw the losses coming and is blaming trump. >> looking back at '22, some of you may recall i never said there was a red wave. he ended up having a candidate quality problem. remember that back in august? look at arizona. look at new hampshire. and the challenging situation in georgia as well.

our ability to control the primary outcome was quite limited in '22 because of the support of the former president proved to be very decisive in these primaries. so my view was do the best you can with the cards you're dealt. hopefully in the next cycle we'll have quality candidates everywhere and a better outcome. >> wow. >> okay. >> so, willie, we're so used to people just speaking in code about things. he just went there and blamed donald trump for the election. he did talk about candidate quality. he said ahead of time people freaked out. i do wonder whether some of donald trump's numbers cratering, especially the republican party, doesn't have something to do with not only the poor quality of the candidates but also now people in the base understanding that trump raised hundreds of millions of dollars off of them

and didn't spend money, and it was mitch mcconnell and mitch mcconnell's operation that actually was funding these horrible candidates that donald trump himself straddled the republican party with. >> absolutely. as mitch mcconnell said right there, he did say back in the summer our candidate quality stinks. he didn't say stinks, but that's what he meant talking about candidate quality. we have to do better. now that he's on the other side of the midterm elections and the republicans blew what should have been a layup in taking the senate in an off year with high inflation and a relatively unpopular president with approval ratings in the low 40s, now he's using trump's name and saying it out loud. you do wonder if these poll numbers we see about donald trump's approval plummeting and others like ron desantis being favorites over trump, if some republicans will find their courage and say now we can step out and say what we've all been saying privately, that donald trump is a problem for our

party. one person not doing that, rnc chairman ronna mcdaniels. she can't say if donald trump is to blame for the losses, that more analysis is needed. >> would you publicly say that donald trump bears any responsibility for some of the losses in the midterm elections? would you say that? >> yeah, i don't like this. i don't like these parcelling out because he supported ted bud who won, and jd vance, who won. here's the one thing i think people should be talking about -- the amount of ticket splitting, the amount of republicans that voted for a republican at the top of the ticket, look at arizona, the top vote getter is a republican, georgia, we had 8 of 9 statewide races won by republicans. but why are republicans going and voting for one republican and not the other? we have to work hard to bring those independent voters -- >> the answer is trump, isn't it? >> i'm saying -- i'm not into the blame game right now. i think we have to do an

analysis. i think it's too quick. >> the host gave her the answer. reason republicans in georgia voted for brian kemp for governor and raphael warnock for senate because the hand-picked candidate for the senate, herschel walker, donald trump's candidate, was terrible. that's the answer to the question. >> end of story. >> you could say the same thing about arizona. why blake masters lost in a state he should have won. you can say the same thing about pennsylvania, why dr. oz lost in a state he should have won. donald trump -- well, my god, even in the pennsylvania republican gubernatorial candidate who's an absolute disaster for the republican party, also a donald trump-supported candidate who there's no doubt helped drag down -- helped drag down dr. oz. we brought up pennsylvania as a perfect example of a guy like

dayton mccormick. i think most believe that if mccormick had gotten in there, if trump had not gone out -- >> he called him a commie. called him everything. i don't know why he was so jealous of dave mccormick, but he was extraordinarily so and mccormick would have won pennsylvania. there's just -- you know, i don't want to say there's no doubt about it because you never know how a campaign is going to go, but he sure as hell would have done better than dr. oz. for trump -- and this is what i hope republicans are starting to understand, he doesn't care whether republicans win or lose. in fact, he'd rather republicans not control the senate because he wants to be the only game in town. he doesn't want mitch mcconnell to have power. he doesn't want the republicans to have power. as far as ronna mcdaniel goes,

he laid it out. >> she goes, i don't like it. of course you don't like it. >> because you lost in '17, strapped to donald trump, lost in '18 tied to him, lost in '19 tied to him, she lost in '20 tied to him, she lost in '22 tied to him. apparently she thinks this little losers club they have called the rnc that haley barbour used to run and win elections with, apparently they just want to stay in this club. it's like we should start calling the rnc mar-a-lago north. because they joust lose. >> joining us now with reporting on ronna mcdaniel is congressional reporter for axios, elena trine. you're calling it the rnc's lopsided power struggle. tell us more. >> well, mika, i mean, everything you're discussing about this is true. ronna has not presided over a winning election cycle since

coming in in 2017. of course with help from dump. but yet she's on a glide path to have a fourth term as chairwoman of the rnc. this comes -- i mean, she's facing a lot of internal criticism and backlash as well as from external people about why she's running again, especially given her track record. sure, she has great fund-raising prowess, but when it comes to winning, she hasn't seen an election yet that has done that. but at the same time, i spoke with a lot of people. i talked to sean spicer, former rnc chairman, i spoke with some other rnc members as well as eric ericson, who's been following this from georgia. she's probably not the right fit still but an incumbent protection program. lee zeldin noted this when he pulled out of the race to go against her. he said, listen, i think we need new leadership but her win is

prebaked by design and i'm not going up against this. so they're keeping the status quo in place even though a lot of people recognize there needs to be some big ramifications for republican party after this past election. >> that's what i don't understand. it seems more like a club. every republican party leadership fight i've seen or democratic leadership fight all has to do with wins and losses. and so what do you get from the rank and file? how could it be that a guy like lee zeldin, who did so well in new york, that actually helped three or four republicans win u.s. house seats, how would they not take a closer look at him instead of somebody that's kept losing? why does the rank and file not want to hold her accountable? >> i think there are some who do. we've seen some people, saw some internal emails, politico had

them leaked to them about, you know, why is she not coming out and denouncing trump, particularly after the mar-a-lago dinner with nick fuentes and kanye west, a lot of people saying she needs to come out and forcefully condemn. but at the same time, a lot of these members in the 168 committee are also trump loyalists and also recognize that they need to lean on ronna and, you know, ask her for favors, have her help them with fund-raising, and are afraid to go up against her. it will be very difficult to unseat an incumbent. i spoke with a lot of people about this, as well as people on the outside, i spoke to some lawmakers on capitol hill as well, and they say the rnc isn't what it used to be. you mentioned haley barbour. people said she was the gold standard as the chair of the committee. . now it's not seen as a powerful organization that can put its finger on the thumb -- excuse me its thumb on the scale for some of these candidates. we saw this with trump, it's run as a campaign extension. and so i think that the rnc is

kind of keeping to the status quo. a lot of these members are just afraid to go up against, afraid to see any backlash if she is chair if they do oppose her, but at the same time also still holding firm in their loyalty to donald trump as well. >> so, house republican leader kevin mccarthy was not pleased with a reporter's question yesterday about the trouble he's having securing support to become speaker. take a listen. >> you spending time with my conference? you know what's amazing to me, here we are with one of the biggest things going on in spending and i can always count on you for the most inappropriate question. >> really? is it inappropriate? >> that's inappropriate? >> i like the congresswoman

behind him kind of just going, hmm. >> inappropriate? >> maybe i'll be speaker. in an interview on fox news earlier in the day, mccarthy said he's sure he'll have the votes needed to become speaker, but the five members of congress who have publicly opposed him continue to say they will not be swayed. what are you hearing about this? >> i think he's in far more trouble than he's letting on, and i think he knows this and both privately, you know, has shared some of those frustrations with his team. such a narrow majority, can only lose four gates. matt gates, andy banks, they are not mccarthy people. even if mccarthy kaic kaic cave of these things, i don't think these people will change their votes. yesterday i was speaking with

some conservative members and they were saying five of us plan to vote as a bloc, the five include gates and banks as well as malt rosendale, bob goode, and, you know, ralph norman, and they're saying we're going to vote all together in our support. you have some of these people who are already saying we're never going to vote for him. matt gates told me that. andy banks said there's no way i ever vote, nothing can change that unless i'm dead. >> ouch. >> these are people with hatred, very extreme. i said could anything change? he was, like, i guess i could be dead. i don't think they're going to get pushed. so i'm not sure. he has a lot of work to do and very little time to do it before january 3rd and before this election is held. but we'll see. i think members are also -- they say one thing and then will go and change their minds. >> right. >> so perhaps they can offer something to these conservatives to get them to change their

minds. but as of now, he doesn't have the votes. >> many have been known to change their minds in real time but it's the never kevin caucus. >> reporter for axios, alayna treene. >> thank you so much. >> never ever. >> never -- i'm just thinking about that whole thing and, well, you're not going to vote for mccarthy, i guess i could be dead. doesn't really make sense. dead. hang glider. i'm dead. you can't vote then, can you? >> have to go look that up. that's a mean cut. >> little wedding crasher cut there. >> i must have walked out. >> a lot of people -- this is still a real problem for me that mika walked out of "wedding crashers." >> it was terrible. >> in the movie theater.

>> you knew it was going to happen. >> while i was sitting there. and they had to bring oxygen in to keep me going because i was laughing so hard. >> terrible. >> so, willie, we keep hearing -- we've heard from multiple sources over the past two or three days that actually kevin mccarthy is in much deeper trouble than he's letting on, and right now people are just saying they don't think he can get to 218 votes. that can always change. i've soon these things change, but i've also seen what happens when four or five people dive in on newt gingrich. he had no choice. he couldn't get the speakership. he left town. it's looking like that's the case for kevin mccarthy unless these five cabinet members change their mind. >> the question back to you because you've been there. there's been some talk that republicans can't get those never kevins so they have to get some democrats on board to get

to 218, which would then mean a more moderate speaker of the house among republicans. so i guess the question is it's not going to be andy binks who's running, so if it's not kevin mccarthy, who's left? steve scalese is a name that gets thrown around. he's put his support behind kevin mccarthy. >> right. >> i guess the question is if not kevin mccarthy, who? >> that would probably be the next step, somebody like steve scalise. i know there's been some talk about maybe getting four or five democrats. the second you do that, you tear the caucus in half. it's a political civil war for the next two years. so i'd be shocked if they did that. i think the more likely thing is, you know, what we always said with newt was who are you going to replace me with, and the answer usually was, well, we don't really care, we just know you're not going to be speaker. that's where this caucus might be right now. we heard five, six, maybe ten

more people could be breaking that way. if up those people there, they don't really need an answer to who is the replacement. the first thing you do is you take kevin mccarthy off the board and then you go back to the caucus and you go, okay, it's not going to be mccarthy, who's next? and i think that who makes the most sense right now would probably be steve scalese as an alternative, but who knows. but, again, the first goal to when you're running this sort of operation, which i've been a part of before, is you're getting the big name off the board and then opening it up to the caucus and saying who's next. >> it will be interesting to see. just for the record, the american film institute has "wedding crashers" slotted somewhere between citizen caine and "casablanca." >> sometimes that shifts. sometimes you have "casablanca" first, "wedding crashers" two,

"citizen cane three," then of course "anchor man 4," which is pretty remarkable we have somebody living among us, will ferrell, that has two of the top four greatest movies of all time. >> okay. >> it's a living, breathing document. it changes year to year. but they're always in the top five. back to congress, senate majority leader chuck schumer is now saying he believes democrats will hold the senate majority again in 2024 with a lot of tough races ahead there. joining us from capitol hill, nbc senior national political reporter sahil kapur. good to see you this morning. what else did you learn? >> reporter: well, this was quite a bold prediction from chuck schumer, the democratic majority leader, who was visibly beaming with confidence when i sat across from him in his office after that 2022 election. it was expected to be a rough time for democrats, they were expected to lose their 50/50 majority and ended up gaining a

seat and expanding their majority. looking ahead to 2024, it's going to be an even tougher map, and yet chuck schumer said democrats will absolutely hold their senate majority in the 2024 cycle. it's coming off the blue wave of 2018 when democrats did so well. i asked him what makes him so optimistic and confident, and he said two reasons, the first, a number of new laws that democrats have passed over the last couple years will start to take effect, people will see the benefits, more infrastructure will be built under that law, more jobs will be created under the chips and science act, and he also said that the new benefits to lower prescription drug prices will take effect and that's something democrats can campaign on. the second thing, and let's put this on the screen here, he talked about the so-called maga influence on the republican party. he says, "the maga influence on the party will not go away quickly. they're strong and active and hard right." he said he expects that influence to persist within the

party even if donald trump is not the presidential nominee in 2024. he said you add those two up, he feels very confident that democrats can defy gravity in 2024 and hold the majority. now what he's up against, democrats are defending more than 20 seats across the country. again, it's coming off the 2018 blue wave when they did very well. this will be a presidential cycle where waves are difficult to produce as we've seen lately. some of these seats that democrats are defending are in red states that republicans are expected to carry quite comfortably on the presidential level. that includes west virginia and montana. it includes ohio. there are several gray areas on the map, state where is there are independent who is mostly caucus with democrats. one of these is arizona. senator kyrsten sinema recently left the democratic party. she said she's not going to caucus with them but will continue to get her committee assignments through the party which will keep the organization of it. this also presents another dilemma for democrats because do

they support kyrsten sinema to try to defeat their republicans or do they support a democrat and potentially risk a three-way race that could split the vote that could end up throwing that arizona race that was a must-win for republicans. and schumer has not tapped a dscc chair to run the committee either. not a lot of democratic senators are raising their hands for that job. it will be a difficult one. >> sahil, it's jonathan. talk about some of the hardest seats to hold, some of the states that went for donald trump twice by big numbers, sort of rural red state, and in particular montana, west virginia, and ohio. we know a lot about joe manchin and his independent streak with the democratic party there. but what's the contours right now of those three states in particular? it's probably the hardest for dems to keep. >> absolutely. those three will be the most difficult for democrats to hold on to because you have three democratic incumbents who have essentially been defying gravity

for several cycles, defying the red leaning of their state, joe manchin, john chester in montana. these are popular incumbents in small states. that helps. they are well in tune with their states. they have a record more so than most democratic senators of breaking with their party, especially on rural issues that are important to their constituents. tester has not said he's running again in 2024, am though he sounded confident that he'll win if he does, which could be an indication. joe manchin has not officially announced, but if you look at everything he's done in the past two years, he's been trying to stay close to his constituents. then there's ohio, shared ground. it used to be the quintessential swing state and it's trended more towards republicans as noneducated white voters move firmly in the republican tent. this will be a tough cycle for democrats in ohio that haven't won there statewide in a decade. nobody not named brown has not been able to win that state.

these three are the democratic unicorn. it's difficult to imagine any other member of their party who could win these three states. chuck schumer will need them all to overperform the ticket to hold the three states. >> democrats had about a week to celebrate the midterm elections. now on to 2024. sahil kapur, thanks for your interview. good to see you. president biden last night welcomed nearly 50 leaders from africa for a summit intended to bolster his administration's commitment to the continent, this as china and russia continue efforts to expand their own influence in the region. the three-day summit focuses on issues critical to the continent's future, including food security and climate change. joining us now, white house reporter for politico and "morning joe" senior contributor, eugene daniels. good morning. what more can you tell us about this summit and what the white house hopes to achieve here? >> yeah. this summit is a long time coming for these african countries especially. the last one was in 2014.

and there was a sense at the time that, you know, this was an administration and also a country that really was kind of like president biden said yesterday all in on africa, that that was going to continue. there were a lot of promises made, investments that were going to come forward. but then that didn't come to fruition, so there's a little bit of frustration with experts when you talk to them who cover africa but also some of these african leaders. now president biden is back essentially saying the same thing that president obama said because, you know, as we know, president trump either ignored or attacked african countries during the four years. so this is kind of a restarting, jump-starting of that relationship once again. so they're saying to the african countries that we have your back, we're going to invest because there's going to be a lot of growth in africa in a decade or two, there's going to be 50% growth in africa. that's something experts are saying.

this country should get on the front end to, one, make sure that the continue negligent has everything it needs to make sure that people stay there. but they don't want to leave their country, so we don't have issues in that way. but then there's also the obvious undercurrent of china and russia having footholds and gaining footholds in african countries for years without any kind of american influence. so there's some of that. we are likely to hear the president announce a trip to africa at some point soon, and that may include a trip for him, that may include a trip for cabinet officials and the vice president kamala harris to prove to folks that that's going to happen. i will say that african leaders are cautiously optimistic because they've heard this before. >> eugene daniels, thank you very much for being on this morning. coming up on "morning joe," shelters in el paso, texas, are overwhelmed following one of the largest mass migrant crossings ever in the area. we'll get the latest from the deputy director of an organization who helps the

homeless there who says most of his facilities are now overrun. also this hour, four years ago, rock icon patti smith did her first post to instagram to counter all the fake accounts out there. now the musician is out with a collection of images, one for each day of the year. she joins us next.

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9:33 on the east coast, 6:33 out west. police body cam video is providing new details about the night house speaker nancy pelosi's husband paul pelosi was attacked with a hammer. steve patterson was in court yesterday for the suspect's preliminary hearing and has the

details. >> reporter: new evidence revealing more detail about the night paul pelosi was attacked. >> the purpose of today's hearing is to establish which charges we move forward to trial. >> reporter: and the judge ruling all charges will go forward against david depape, including attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and elder abuse, this following a multimedia presentation from the prosecutors including audio, pelosi's 911 call, video from officer body cameras showing the moment police arrived, and the alleged assault weapon waved in front of the judge. paul told the operator, i've got a problem, but he says everything's good. then later pelosi making it clear he's in trouble, saying he's telling me to get the hell off the phone. prosecutors playing officer body cam footage confirmed the door opened from the inside after police knocked. audio from that footage

revealing within seconds of police trying to assess the situation, they screamed drop the hamer, which was followed by labored breathing after pelosi's skull was cracked. and testimony from an investigate who spoke with depape telling her democrats are on a crime spree and he had other targets, mentioning gavin newsom, tom hanks, and hunter biden. we also heard he targeted nancy pelosi because in his words democrats were persecuting the trump campaign, and he says he wanted to talk to her about that. >> nbc's steve patterson with that report. this week we've also been reporting on the crisis many shelters in el paso, texas, are facing. >> it's such a humanitarian crisis. >> and it continues. >> on the border. >> look at this. they have become overwhelmed, the shelters, following one of the largest mass migrant crossings ever in the area. according to "the texas tribune," on sunday night, more than 1,500 people walked over from juarez, mexico, into el

paso. a piece in "the new york times" details the worsening situation, "after nightfall on sunday, hundreds of migrants stepped across the rio grande into el paso, a kara van of people mainly from nicaragua, whose crossing was among the largest in recent years along the west texas border. last week el paso saw nearly 7 authorization migrants released from federal immigration custody, a weekly total that surpassed even those seen during the surge of venezuelan arrivals this year. john martin, the deputy director of the opportunity center for homelessness in el paso, said he had been told another 2,500 migrants would be released in the coming weeb. the center, which primarily focuses on the local homeless population, has several locations and most of them were

over capacity. john martin joins us now. he is deputy director of the opportunity center for the homeless in el paso, texas. i guess if you could describe in more detail what is happening in your shelters and are more migrants expected, has it slowed down at all? >> actually, it hasn't slowed down at all. bull you do need to understand that we as the opportunity center, we operate ten facilities, five of which are shelters. three are open to walk-ins, and those are the three that are being overwhelmed. to put this into perspective, we have a shelter for single adult men that typically handles between 100 and 120. last night we topped out over 200. so if you ask me to describe it, it's chaotic, to be quite honest with you. the same is true for our welcome center, which is predominantly migrant families coming in. again, it's approximately 60% to 70% over capacity. i believe that we're very close

to having to say no, and as i've indicated to several, we don't want to say no. our mission statement very simply states we work with all without distinction, and that includes country of origin. but if these numbers continue to grow, we're going to have to close those doors until we can decompress a little bit to allow more folks in. >> mr. martin, this could get worse as you know well next week if title 42 goes away. you could see an even bigger influx of migrants coming into the country through the border. how are you preparing for that? how are you bracing for that? >> well, there's still a little bit of an unknown as it relates to the lifting of title 42. everything that i've read and prepared for, the numbers could easily double. right now from what i understand the apprehensions at the border are approximately 2,500 per day. say you're looking at 4,500 to 5 authorization. we are working with many partners within the community, both public and private, to take

a look at what's needed at this point, but i still have a strong suspicion that even though we may have two or three additional shelters that are set up within the coming days, it's still not going to be enough. >> john, you just mentioned this overwhelming number you may soon face in the coming days. what do you need? i mean, of course big picture is a long-term solution here, but in this next stretch, in this immediate crisis where you're doing triage, really, what kind of resources do you need to get through it? >> well, the predominant resource that's needed is a physical location, and you need to look at a physical location that can handle significant numbers. many people have asked me what i think that would be. my guess would be, a best guess, between 1 authorization to 1,500, somewhere within that range, because what's happening is all of these entities, ourselves included, are very successful in working with those

that have their parole paperwork or travel papers from i.c.e. we're moving them out of el paso to their destination of choice rather quickly but it's a snowball effect. the we're successful in getting 25 to their destination, there are 50 coming in the door, so the numbers are working in reverse at this point. i don't see at least with the current resources that we have the ability to be able to play catch-up. >> mr. martin, have you ever had to close your doors before? and what are your personal feelings about potentially doing that? >> well, we've had one evening within the past month where we just simply couldn't handle more. and it's not the ability to want to work with them, it's the simple fact that we didn't have physical space for the people. so thankfully, it's only been that one night to date, but i will tell you that with the

numbers that i've seen in the last three to four days, i wouldn't be surprised if that happens before the end of the week. >> let me ask you, mr. martin -- i'm sorry. go ahead. >> no. i was going to say as far as my personal feelings, one of the things i like about el paso, we're not the wealthiest of communities, we are one of the most generous communities in the nation. and the community does come together at times of need. we just are afraid of having to say that word, that word being "no." >> can you tell us what -- you're on the ground and see this happening, you obviously talk to these migrants seeking a better life. can you tell us what you believe is causing such a mass influx of migrants, especially over the past year? >> well, for us this all started

in mid-august and it started with the venezuelans. we know that title 42 was amended, so the large number of venezuelans that we were seeing really began to abate in mid to late september. the flow of individuals continued at that point, albeit very few venezuelans moving forward. if we fast forward to today, the predominant countries of origin that we're seeing is nicaragua, which is followed by cuba at this point. but we're seeing a spattering of individuals. these individuals typically travel one to three months typically by foot to be able to get to the border. it's a desire for them to have a better life. depending on their country of origin, what i've read at this point, we know what's happening there and they're simply trying to escape that issue. and so that's the critical issue. we need to know -- and they're good people. they want to work. but, again, they can't work because they don't have work

visas. so it makes it very difficult even though they have been legally released through the process. so we do work with family and friends to get the resources together that they need as far as travel process, but they're good folks, and i'm going to maintain that. and they're in a desperate situation. >> the deputy director of the opportunity center for the homeless in el paso, texas, john martin, thank you very much. thank you for what you do. and thank you for being on the show this morning. and coming up, music icon patti smith is our guest to talk about her new book and so much more.

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punk is being recognized for her photography as well. and patti smith joins us now. she's out with a new book today featuring some of her favorite photos, ones she's taken. it's titled "a book of days." great to see you. >> great to be here. >> you flinched when i said you're one of the most influential musicians of all time. you covered your mouth. >> well, i don't really think -- i mean, i'm happy to be of some influence or hopefully inspire people, but i couldn't accept that accolade. but thank you for it. >> i'm going to keep saying it even if it embarrasses you. >> okay. >> let's talk about this book, "a book of days," inspired a little bit -- you've jumped on instagram a few years ago and were posting photographs that you'd taken. but the range of photos in here from you as a young child to things -- photos that were taken just a couple of months ago, what was the inspiration for this book? >> well, i wanted to -- it was during the pandemic and i wanted to be productive and i wanted to

give -- be able to still connect with people, and instagram was very good during isolation because i was able to share books, share ideas, whether about politics, climate change, culture, and get feedback from the people. and so i thought that i would take it a step further and make a book with some of these images, a lot of new images, but across the board so it could be about science, art, motherhood, but a positive -- something positive for the people because things -- we are in need of positivity right now, i think. >> as you're speaking, we're looking at collection of the photographs from the book. i mean, this -- >> my daughter. >> there's your daughter. this spans your entire life, really. how did you curate this down to 365 days? >> some because it's every day of the year, some are obviously people's birthday, it could be

samuel beckett or martin luther king's birthday and some really just -- by season and how pictures inform each other, because instagram is one image, but i suddenly realized working on this book i'm working with two images at the time and they have to connect. so i just wanted it to be friendly to all kinds of people, if you're in to science or math or poetry or thinking about your life or the departed, to givede everyone a little message. because every day is somebody's birthday. so i wanted picture and every caption to be thinking of that person on their birthday. >> joe and mika are here with questions. i should warn you. he probably agrees you're one of the most influential artists of

all time. >> i love the humility. patti, it's fascinating that you take something like the pandemic that's so isolating, and yet artists such as yourself actually used that to create products. paul mccartney did his lyrics book and everything stopped. so he sat there and did something that probably could have never done if things were moving quickly. you talked about how you needed to isolate more because of the condition that you had had. talk about how it influenced this book and how you can even look the at the pictures and connect it to the pandemic, know which pictures are connected there. >> i have a congenital bronx larceny condition so i had to be prudent during lockdown. so in that isolation, i wanted

to give, to make a book that was diverse and had many interesting images, but i wanted things that were of the moment. so you almost can tell what pictures i took during the pandemic because they all have my bookcase, my cat, my very shall world during the pandemic. but i wanted it to be expanive in terms of imagination and just reaching out to people, giving people things they could relate to. and to feel positive about. >> do you have a picture or two that stands out as something that you're especially connected to emotionally? >> well, funny enough, one of those pictures i think in early january is a photograph of myself. and i'm sitting in my room and a

friend of mine, who took the cover picture, shot a picture of me while i was deep in thought. i was actually had a lot on my mind. and he showed me the picture. when i saw it, i realized that i had seen my mother in that same state, with that same look on her face. when i was a child, i would say what is it, mommy? she would say, nothing. and i looked a at that picture and i thought, that's what nothing is. and what i was seeings was my mother with so much on her mind, but she said, oh nothing, and i thought i have discovered what nothing is. >> i'm curious. you talk a the lot about the pandemic and the loneliness that people felt and wanting to do something in this book,

especially. where do you get your artistic inspiration these days? >> i get it everywhere. i don't have a lot of skills, but god blessed me with a very good imagination. and a lot of enthusiasm, so i i really am inspired all the time. in this book, i mean, a ragged garden inspired me, my books inspired me, i'm easily inspired. and i try to also i have a strong work ethic. and i think it's very important to transform that inspiration into work. >> this is the photograph patti was talking about right over here where she said she looked like her mother sitting that way. >> wow, wonderful. >> speaking of influential

artists, we have michael on. he had a pook of photography, just beautiful work. i'm curious for you as an artist, you certainly can express yourself so well in song writing, in music. i'm curious what about in photography? how do the two compare for you as far as how you express yourself as an artist, what you get out of each art form. >> i have taken photographs for years, but not as a vocation. but my husband passed away in 1994. i was only in my 40s. i had two small children. and i found it very difficult to do anything. i couldn't write. i couldn't really think, but i had a need to express myself creatively. we had an old polaroid camera there, and just took a picture

that i liked. it was of ballet slippers, and the atmosphere with the picture was very nice. i felt satisfied. i but the real point of it is the immediacy of taking a polar ro reside and seeing that it was good gave me the feeling that i had done something of worth. since then, i just really got hooked. photography is important to me because i'm a very visual person. but writing is my most important vocation. even when i'm writing, i'm seeing pictures, so photography is just another way for me to express my inner world physically to share with other people. >> it's a beautiful book.

it's "a book of days" available now. rock and roll hall of famer pattti smith, it's great to be here. you're blushing again. >> i'll accept that. >> great to see you. >> happy holidays, everybody. >> thank you. nice to see you. congratulations on the book. >> that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage after a quick final break. icks up the coverage after a quick final break. it's nice to unwind after a long week of telling people how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need! (limu squawks) he's a natural. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ seatgeek presents only pay for what you need. boomstick lady. seatgeek helps her find the perfect seat, so she can sit where her boomsticks make the biggest boom. oh, okay!

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