and presents on the tree. kids at shriner's hospitals for children are able to go home and be with their families for the holidays. and that's only possible because of the monthly donations from people like you. thanks to a generous donor every dollar you give can help twice as many kids like me and have double the impact. with your gift of just $19 a month, only $0.63 a day. we'll send you this adorable love to the rescue blanket as a thank you. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> our live has changed forever. it has darkened because our light has left. the child and the little human who once made this family whole

is no longer with us. tess will never get to experience the life we prayed she would live. >> gripping testimony from faith mata, the sister of a young uvalde school massacre victim, as lawmakers search for answers to gun violence. faith mota joins me tonight. >> plus, dr. anthony fauci joins me as republicans ramp up their covid misinformation and conspiracy theories. just as concerns are being raised about a possible winter surge. >> and speaking of conspiracy theories, the white house is opening up the jfk assassination files. what if anything can we still learn about that tragic day almost six decades ago? and had he lived, jfk's post presidency would have looked nothing like this. the major announcement donald trump promised turned out to be a major embarrassment. and of course, a grift. >> we begin tonight with a trip

down memory lane. just imagine with you, if you will, the year is 2020. covid is wreaking havoc across the globe. everything is shut down. people have been isolated, locked inside for months on end, working from home, schooling from home, keeping six feet away from family, friends, neighbors, and completely unsure of what would happen next. that fear and isolation drove a lot of people to the internet, seeking answers on why this was all happening, how it got that way, and what we could do to get out of it. the result was a massive surge in conspiracy theories. you may have remembered the early days when the conspiracies were about the origin of the virus. some even believing governments around the world were purposely spreading covid to control the public, calling it a plandemic. there were theories about masks, quack doctors claiming masks were more likely to get you sick than to protect you. several internet personalities like joe rogan and elon musk got onboard, spreading miracle cures

to their audience of millions. remember, ivermecten and hydroxychloroquine, drugs they found did not have any benefit to covid patients at all, and let's not forget when the then-president got up to the podium in the white house briefing room and suggested injecting bleach. and then, when a couple highly effective vaccines came around that were the solution to get back to some sense of normal, the anti-vaxer movement kicked it into overdrive. people were claiming that the vaccine contains a microchip so bill gates and the government can track your every move. people were putting spoons and keys up to their face saying that the shot would make you magnetic. some were even claiming that all the deaths we were seeing were not from the virus but rather from the vaccines. the pandemic created the perfect environment for conspiracy theories to grow and enter the mainstream. in the meantime, americans were dying. at times, thousands per day. millions of others were

hospitalized or experiencing long covid. fast forward today and covid is once again on the rise. cases have risen roughly 55% over the past two weeks while deaths have surged by about 65%. hospitals are once again being pushed to the brink. some running out of beds due to simultaneous increases in covid, the flu, and rsv. in florida, where a disproportionate 83,000 people have died of covid, governor ron desantis is spending his week forming a committee to counter the cdc and called on his state supreme court to green light an investigation of any and all wrongdoing in florida with respect to covid vaccines. take a listen to what kentucky senator rand paul had to say yesterday. >> what do you tell your patient who says i have been vaccinated three times and now i have had covid, did it help me to have gotten covid? of course, it did. having gotten the disease naturally is like a vaccine but an even better vaccine.

>> a reminder for insenator, more than 17,000 people have died from covid in your state. but this is nothing new from rand paul who was one of the first republicans to give oxygen to conspiracy theories about dr. anthony fauci, even going after him in covid hearings and fund-raising off it. those conspiracies were so ramp nlt the doctor and his family have received death threats. their priority isn't keeping their constituents safe but rather investigating the man who has dedicated his entire career to finding cures and treatments for deadly diseases. elon musk is even getting in on it, tweeting, my pronouns are prosecute fauci, throwing in a gratuitous swipe at trans folks because of course. while rolling back twitter's covid information policy and replatforming thousands of users who have spread conspiracies to the public. joining me is dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases.

dr. fauci, i want to start by thanking you for doing what you do, because it is not -- it wasn't easy to do what you do when it was the hiv/aids crisis and you had to educate a public that had negative views toward the people who were getting sick. that was bad enough. but now you're doing it under a kind of duress i could not have imagined in my lifetime. i just want to give you an opportunity to talk just for a minute about what it has been like to be the hate object at the center of covid when people like rand paul who is ostensibly a doctor, although he gave himself the certification to that, are attacking you daily and threatening you. >> well, i don't really pay much attention to that. i know that's difficult for some people to believe, but i focus on what my job is, what my mission is, and what i view, as you said, what i devoted my entire professional life to. and that is to protect and help to keep america healthy, to protect their health, and to protect and defend them against

diseases such as covid and hiv. if i focused and got distracted by all that other noise, it would really be detrimental for me to do my job. i just phase that out and just focus on what i should be doing. and that is what we have been doing, developing the vaccines and encouraging people to accept the vaccines, which you know, a report came out from the commonwealth fund just last week that showed that vaccinations over the last two years have saved 3.2 million lives, 18 million hospitalizations were averted, and $1 trillion was saved. so when people start interfering with people getting vaccines by downplaying it or putting conspiracy theories, unfortunately, that results in the loss of lives of people who could have been protected by a vaccine, who chose for one reason or other, mostly misinformation, not to get

vaccinated. so that's what i focus in on, on countering that. that other noise, i don't pay attention to. >> you know, the thing is the reason i bring it up, dr. fauci, is we have a unique situation here. when the polio vaccines came out, there was misinformation and conspiracy theories too, but there also wasn't the internet and podcasts where people are beaming into very specific audiences misinformation, black audiences got a lot of it early on, but republican audiences got it intensely, to the point where there is data showing that republicans have died of covid at higher rates than democrats. that it's actually causing a partisan divide in who dies, whereas we're so used to in past issues and pandemics having it be just disproportionately people of color. it's disproportionately republicans. you had people like herman cain who died after being in this disinformation sort of, you know, whirlwind, a lot of radio hosts. they're actually literally

preaching disinformation and then dying. so what do you do to try to get people to accept the idea of saving their own lives and getting vaccinated and helping to mitigate the impacts if there's a partisan divide on whether you should take the vaccine? >> yeah, i'm not so sure what we can do about that, except to continue to put out correct evidence-based information. information based on data, information based on the truth. and you're absolutely right. it's really unconscionable and painful to see someone who suffers and dies and perhaps influences their family to suffer and die based on an idealogical consideration. no one wants to see anyone get sick and die from covid, whether you're a conservative, a liberal, or somebody in the middle. it doesn't make any difference. everybody's life is precious. and it really is awful that some people put themselves in danger

merely because they don't want to accept or idealogical differences make them believe something that is not true. >> you know, we're in a dangerous period right now. we're seeing this triple pandemic of flu, rsv, and covid hitting hospitals really hard. long covid, a study released wednesday found that more than 3500 americans died of long covid related illnesses. and you have only got 13% of people who have gotten the latest booster. republicans are preparing to take over the house, and they're about to waste a lot of time and money dragging you before committees to interrogate you. that's what they have said they're going to do and what they're going to do. i'm wondering if without you being in the position you're in now, is there something that can be done to get back to the focus on that? on the fact that long covid is really hurting people and we're going to see another wave of covid this winter? >> well, both of the things you said, joy, are true.

in fact, we are going to see an uptick in cases as we get deeper into the colder months of the winter when we approach the end of the year holiday season. people congregate indoors. there's going to be an uptick in infections. with that, an uptick in hospitalizations and even deaths. we have the wherewithal and the tools to mitigate against that. we have covid vaccines. we have the booster that you spoke about that only 13% of the eligible population is utilizing that booster. that is unacceptable. we have got to do better than that. and you're right. we do have other infections now. we have a very sharp spike, almost a vertical spike in influenza and a good influenza vaccine that's well matched to this circulating strain of influenza. we're trying to get the population to appreciate that we have the tools to protect us. we have got to get people to

utilize them more, as we get into a more dangerous situation of the colder months. >> and what do you say to people who, you know, have had family or friends or they themselves got vaccinated, sometimes even got boosted and still got covid, and now don't want to take another booster because they just don't believe in the vaccines at all? >> you know, that is an understandable misunderstanding. and let me explain what i mean by that. of course, when people say i got vaccinated, and then i got infected, so why should i wind up getting another shot? but what they don't appreciate is that if you looked at the statistics of the difference between unvaccinated people and people who were vaccinated and boosted with regard to progressing to hospitalizations and death, overwhelmingly, the greater percentage of serious illness and death is among people who have not been vaccinated and have not updated their booster shots.

again, we have within our own power to protect ourselves. we need to utilize that and implement it. >> do you have a plan for -- are you going to retire or what are you going to do in your life after this very harrowing job? >> well, i'm going to step down as i have announced from the federal government at the end of this month, the end of december. but i'm not retiring in the classic sense. i'm going to still be very actively involved in public health issues, in lecturing and in writing. and hopefully, inspiring the younger generation to take a consideration of going into science or going into public health. and hopefully even going into public service. i have the experience of being in the government as a scientist for 54 years. and as the director of the institute for 38 years, and i had the privilege of advising seven presidents over that period of time. so i hope that i can use that

experience to inspire some people to pursue a career in science, medicine, and public health. >> i'm sure that you will do exactly that. dr. anthony fauci, thank you very much. thank you for all you do. coming up next on "the reidout," the lessons of uvalde and the systemic failures that doomed a classroom full of children. stay with us. research shows peoe remember commercials with nostalgia. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's one that'll really take you back. wow! what'd you get, ryan? it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual!!! what does it do, bud? it customizes our home insurance so we only pay for what we need! and what did you get, mike? i got a bike. ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp

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thanks to a generous donor every dollar you give can help twice as many kids like me and have double the impact. with your gift of just $19 a month, only $0.63 a day. we'll send you this adorable love to the rescue blanket as a thank you. are we not tired of hearing the stories of victims? hearing them from victims' families? are we not tired of hearing yet another tragedy because of gun violence? when is enough enough? i truly hope that this never happens to any other family in the days, months, or years to come. >> that was the sister of tess mata, one of the 19 elementary school students killed in the uvalde massacre seven months ago along with two of their

teachers. mata and other members of the uvalde community along with policymakers and a survivor of the sandy hook shooting were on capitol hill today to testify in a hearing on gun violence. uvalde's only pediatrician, dr. roy guerrero, who treated the victims that day, played audio of students screaming that he said a parent had sent him, now, i have to warn you, this is extremely difficult to listen to. take a minute, brace yourself, and okay. here it is. >> this is a screaming of kids trying to get out while their classmates are being murdered. [ screaming ] >> you see pictures of emery and her friends on the news, you

should know, they didn't get buries looking sweet. some were missing limbs, some had holes in their chests. you might imagine a child lying peacefully in a coffin. >> texas state senator roland gutierrez scribed the utter failure of law enforcement that day. >> brave little girls call said 911 while law enforcement waited outside just a few feet away. not one law enforcement official took control inside or outside of that building. the child was dragged out of the hallway, face was gone. hallways and classroom had blood like no horror movie you have ever seen. off camera, you could hear grown men throwing up from the sight of the horror or perhaps the failure they had caused. there is no transparency, no

accountability to date. >> state senator roland gutierrez joins me and joining mees is faith mata who you saw at the beginning of the segment. she's the sister of tess mata who lost her sister. faith, i want to start by letting you tell us a little bit about tess. what was she like? >> my sister was -- she was just so outspoken. she was very diva-like, loved to dress up. she was the joy of our family. i don't think we can ever stay mad at her. we were just always smiling and laughing with her. >> i was reading a piece about the day of the shooting, faith, and your frantic calls to find out where your sister was, to try to account for her once you knee there was a lockdown at the school. i wonder what you make of when we step back and think about these two pieces, one, law enforcement's utter failure, the

fact there were 317 police there and the fact people are still defending the idea of having the kind of gun that would do to the bodies of little kids like your sister what the senator described. >> yeah. i said it there, that i don't understand how we can't at least come to an agreement that this can't happen again. and if we continue to allow assault rifles to be in the hands of people who aren't going to use them the correct way, we shouldn't have them at all. it literally, the number one killing weapon in mass shootings, and it's killing our children. it's killing our teachers. it's killing the people of america. >> i want to bring you in, senator gutierrez. you testimony was gripping as well. i mean, the idea that people are

so much more motivated to vote, including in the state of texas, on the issue of preserving people's access to this, you know, modified version, civilian version of an m-16, basically, than they are to vote in a way to prevent people from getting their hands on it. texas has done nothing. the country has done a little bit. some states have done stuff. what do you make of this resistance to doing anything to stop this? sandy hook's anniversary was literally a day ago. >> well, joy, thank you for having me, first off. there was resistance with the republican party elected officials. 75% of republicans want to see extreme risk protective orders and want to see an increase to an age of 21. and texas, as you know, you can be 18 and buy an ar-15 like this man did. we need commonsense gun safety solutions in the united states, and there is this blockade in

washington that just, i do not understand. and my only hope is that we can get people like faith and nicole, which was the other testimony today from a young lady from sanda hook. my only hope is that those young people will come into power and their generation begins to make the change that is necessary in our country, because our generation simply is not doing the job. >> and faith, what would you say to somebody, there are people, i have talked to these people. i have gone when i was in texas, i spoke to a gentleman who was hard core on this issue, nothing, no amount of carnage would seen to change their minds. what would you say to somebody who is hard and fast on not wanting to do anything, including raising the age to 21 to buy an ar-15? >> it's actually very gut-wrenching having to have a conversation with someone who can't even see the morals of it. if i were to have a conversation

with someone, i would just tell them, you know, i never hope you have to go through what my family has gone through and i never hope you have to understand what we have been through and what i had to see my sister look like after she was murdered in her classroom. >> i mean, senator, you know, we're talking about -- we're talking about people not even being able to have an open casket funeral because of what these weapons can do to an adult. in a war time situation, they're doing to a little person, a little fourth grader or third grader, little kids. i wonder if you -- given the results of the last election, even the district where uvalde is, voted to re-elect the current governor who has done nothing to try to save future families from what this family is going through. it's hard for people to be hopeful when folks see that. what do you think? >> i understand, joy. i am just as sad and tortured by

all of this. at the end of the day, voting is entirely -- i feel that a lot of people are simply not voting. a lot of people of color are not voting, and they're certainly not voting in their economic interest and not voting in their social interests if they are voting for these folks. we have a lot of work to do in that electoral space. but i'm going to keep fighting for advocacy on this issue because no child and no parent, no sister should ever have to go through what all of these parents and these families have gone through. i wish america, i went to eight funerals. and the last funeral was a closed casket. you could imagine what had happened to that little girl. i wish america could come to some peace on this and have an understanding and have that emmett till moment, because

these children's lives were shattered and destroyed because of that weaponry. people need to really understand this. >> and i am going to give you the last word on this, faith. there is also the issue of law enforcement and they were not there for your family and for your baby sister that day. but what changes would you like to see on that front? because obviously, there's something broken there, too. >> yeah. there's a lot of broken pieces in uvalde, especially with the pd and maybe even now the sheriff's county up in texas. i would just really like to see more active shooting training. these officers obviously were not trained or had the proper equipment is what they were saying, to go into this classroom and save these 21 lives. so moving forward, i believe that there needs to be proper

training, proper equipment, and these officers need to know that when they're hired for this job, they're hired to go in and save lives, not save their own lives. >> indeed. we just ask that they be as brave as a fourth grader or a teacher. that would be helpful. texas state senator roland gutierrez and faith mata, thank you. thank you both of you for what you have done and what you do. >> still ahead, stay there because still ahead, president biden authorizes a release of thousands of documents related to the assassination of jfk. what to expect next on "the reidout."

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tied back to the distrust in government and the questions left very much open about the assassination of jfk jr.'s father, president john f. kennedy, question that still linger 59 years after his assassination in dealey plaza in dallas. the warren commission concluded lee harvey oswald was the lone gunman in dallas on november 22, 1963. a lot of americans don't believe that. and today, president biden ordered the national archives to release additional documents related to kennedy's murder more than 13,000 are now public. thousands of other documents that the white house says could harm intelligence operations, law enforcement, or foreign relgs will stay partly or completely under seal. politico reported much of the information is expected to come from the cia's personality file of information on oswald collected before and after the assassination. the records were supposed to be released in full in 2017 under a deadline in the 1992 kennedy

assassination records act that was waived by then-president donald trump. joining me now is fernand amandi, msnbc political analyst, and jefferson morely, editor of the jfk facts blog and author of scorpion's dance, the president, the spy master, and watergate. thank you both for being here. i am fascinated by the subject and have been for a really long time. jefferson, i want to start with you. what are we expected to learn that's new in this document release? >> what we know that the cia is withholding is their, quote, sources and methods, unquote, around the accused assassin, lee harvey oswald. that means their spying techniques. that means their operational interest in him while president kennedy was still alive, and kind of the backdrop to this story, joy, is the story that hasn't been told is, the cia knew far, far, far more about

oswald while kennedy was still alive than they have ever admitted or has ever really been reported in the media. and that fact is kind of the underlying story of what's going on here today. you know, we had a release -- go ahead. >> go on, no, you go. >> yeah, so we had a big release today, and we have been going through the records that they supposedly released. i mean, i'm sorry to say, joy, it's a big shell game. so they say, oh, we released all these records. you know what they did? they would release a record and they would unredact one sentence from it, and they would say, we have released that record. if you go and look at the record, they left the rest of it redacted, so really, they didn't redact anything. so the cia is trying to control the narrative and the record of the kennedy assassination in 2022. it's really amazing and outrageous. >> you know, and fernand, you and i have talked about this. we had this conspiratorial

society now, with everything from covid denialism to qanon and on and on. there is some blame to be laid with the federal government and the cia and fbi and others who in the past have not been honest with the american people. and the jfk assassination feels like the first time americans really woke up to the idea that the government just lies to you, and people didn't believe what they said regarding jfk and didn't believe the sort of single bullet that jumped around theory. it's made us, i think, all worse off. you did a poll that showed that the vast majority of americans want this information. talk a little bit about that. >> joy, i think you're right and i think what's most fascinating is dating back to the night of the assassination, november of 1963, when the first poll was actually done on the matter by george gallup, in the 59 years, joy, there has never been even close to a majority of americans believing in the conclusions that lee harvey oswald acting

alone murdered president kennedy. to your point, i think that gut feeling coupled with the very questionable even bordering on bad faith actions by some federal agencies but in this case the cia to continue to say six decades after the fact, as they have done today, as jeff said, today they're saying no, there are still files that we don't really feel comfortable releasing because we think it might harm the national interests. and i think if you actually reflect upon the calculus of what that means, the cia is in essence saying, joy, we would rather take the reputational hit and allow this conspiratorial thinking to be out there as opposed to dealing with the consequences of releasing these files as the law mandated, a unanimous law passed by congress in 1992, that they should have been released in 2017. i think american public opinion and polling sees that and is reflective of that and that's why jeff's point of why are they

still hiding these documents is a pertinent question 60 years later now in 2022. >> jeff, i want to go back to you on this because the irony is that bad actors overseas and i'm thinking putin in russia right now, know that. they know this country is not trustworthy -- not trusting always of the government, and they exploit that, and ironically, the questions around lee harvey oswald have to do with his relationships with foreign governments. and so that's the thing that it feels like they don't want us to know. >> absolutely, they don't want us to know. they have blown the deadline four times in the past five years. that's a deadline set by congress october 2017. it's been blown four times since then and they still haven't disclosed freely. it's clear they want to hide something. that's the bottom line from today. they do not want to have full disclosure. they would rather invite the

suspicion of the american people than come clean. what does that tell you? that tells you they have something to hide. so we don't know what that is yet. but we do know that these records exist. and we do know the overwhelming majority of americans, republicans, democrats, and independents, people who like president biden and people who like former president trump, all agree this should be made public now. and the cia is holding out. you know, this is our history. it doesn't belong to the cia. it belongs to the american people. >> and the thing is, fernand, what people that don't have great motives will do is things like what donald trump did, and accuse literally ted cruz's father of being involved in the assassination. because you can literally say anything about this assassination because of the information that the government is continuing to hide. >> joy, that's so right. it becomes kind of a weaponized

rorschach test that bad actors take advantage of whether it's for domestic political reasons or you said correctly, bad guys like vladimir putin understand there's this web of concern and suspicion around this so they weaponize this subject when it's our institutions and our agencies like in this case the central intelligence agency, which by releasing everything, even if there's an ugly truth to confront there, it actually speaks to the grandiosity of america to overcome something that's embarrassing or worse and recognize it as opposed to trying to bury it as they have now tried to do for 59 years. >> i hope you all come back as you dig through these records and learn more about what happened. fernand and jefferson, thank you both very much. really appreciate you both. coming up next, president biden says the u.s. is all in on africa, at a d.c. summit hosting dozens of african leaders as russia and china look to expand their influence in this vital region. we're back after this.

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this week, president biden is hosting nearly 50 african leaders and their delegates at a summit to reset and bolster u.s. ties with african countries. part of that includes $55 billion in economic security and health investments. the first u.s. africa summit was held by president obama back in 2014. since then, relations with africa have atrophied due in large part to donald trump's racist treatment of the 54 countries thad make up the

continent. in 2018, trump referred to haiti and all of the countries that make up the african county as s-hole countries. biden's engamement comes as russia and china increase their geopolitical interest in the country. most is tied to their wealth of natural resources which are critical to china's effort to become a manufacturing superpower. this week's summit is america's signal to africa that america is back and ready to engage in a positive way. yesterday, president biden hosted a meeting with the leaders of the democratic republic of congo, liberia, madagascar, and sierra leone to discuss democracy and the importance of free and fair elections. today, biden announced his support for the african union to join the g-20 as a permanent member and announced his plan to visit subsaharan africa next year. and joining me now is the

director and senior fellow of the africa program at the center for strategic and international studies. thank you for being here. i want to start by talking about africa's potential. collectively, the 54 countries there have 3.7% gdp, real gdp growth last year. and yet the country that seems to be trying to take the most advantage of the opportunities on the continent is china. they're being very aggressive. they're sort of all over countries like the democratic republic of congo. why do you suppose that is? congo produces 70% of the world's cobalt, you know, it's a country that has huge resources. why do you suppose it's china that's so aggressively there and not europe or the united states? >> joy, i think china does not have the blinders and the prism that the united states and europe do on africa.

you know, europe has a colonial past in africa. so they still are stuck in that 19th century mentality of looking at africa, which is problem, problem, problem. not really seeing it is partnership, partnership, partnership. united states, by virtue of its closeness to europe, tend to use the same prism as europe. so even though africans have been thirsting to do collaboration and partnerships with the united states, the united states has not been consistent in engaging with africa. in part because of the prism, but also in part because of the structure of the political institution of the united states. engagement changed depending on who's in the white house, who controls congress, so it's not consistent in the way that the chinese have set an objective and they go after those no matter who is in the office. that's a challenge of the united states. >> it feels that it is an incredible slight given the

resources on the continent that africa is not in the g-20. what would be the importance of africa, even by virtue of the african union, joining the g-20? >> it is very important that african union be represented on the g-20 because africa represents 1.4 billion people. africa has a young population. by that i mean the median age in africa is 19 years old. and the median age in germany is 49. the median age in the u.s. is 38, 39. so you see the gap there. this means that you see the gap there. this means that the future of the world is really in africa, not only because of the natural resources and water and minerals and so on, but mostly because of this young demographic who are determined what we will do with all the problems that we are facing, whether it is security, pandemics, climate change, they

hold the key at this important keys to the solution to those problems. this is where africa is important, and you cannot circumvent africa. >> amen. one quick thing before we go, and to show you this picture, president biden watching the world cup with the moroccan prime minister. i was rooting for morocco but frances team also has lots of africans on it. what do you make of the fact that africa was represented in the semifinals at the world cup? >> i think that is optimistic as to why africa is important. if you go to europe, all the major teams are staffed with african players. you cannot ignore africa with the population growth i think this statistic is something like one out of four human beings in the next 30 or 40 years will be an african. so you cannot ignore africa. this is where we are. u.s. is coming back to africa. taking the level a bit higher

because they realize africa is moving along with or without united states. america has added options beside the west and the united states, so go to the united states to get there. that's where we are. >> find you in the finals >> okay, i see. >> i'm a big fan. thank you very much we. appreciate you being here. and still ahead, we will go with what we got, the twice impeached disgraced former president made a major announcement, everybody. major. well major and humiliating, anyway. back in a sack. in a sack even if it received ppp, and all it takes is eight minutes to get started. then we'll work with you to fill out your forms and submit the application, that easy. and if your business doesn't get paid, we don't get paid. getrefunds.com has already helped businesses like yours recover over $2 billion, but it's only available for a limited time. go to getrefunds.com powered by innovation refunds.

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president, john quincy adams, once said, there is nothing more pathetic in life than a former president. sounds a little harsh, as many of the lead interesting lies after the presidency. adams himself went on to serve for nearly ten seniors in the house of representatives. thomas jefferson founded the university of virginia and went back to not freeing the slaves on his profitable plantation. william howard -- went on to become chief justice of the supreme court. and then we had jimmy carter, focusing on issues of democracy and human rights and literally building homes for habitat for humanity. bill clinton started the clinton global initiative to help find solutions to issues like climate resilience, health equity, and economic growth around the world. obama has a foundation that

focuses on the people, with a netflix bill to promote greater empathy and understanding among people. and then there is our most recent former president, who may be taking old john quincy adams literally with his latest bridge. >> hello, everyone. this is donald trump. hopefully your favorite president of all-time, better than lincoln, better than washington, with an important announcement to make. i'm doing my first official donald j trump nft collection right here and right now. they're called trump a digital trading cards. >> no? that is not an snl sketch. shouldn't it be? aren't former president supposed to keep some level of dignity? trumpers are rooting back to the pre-white house failed middle state try kuhn who will fix is named any product to make a buck. remember trump stakes? the trump board game? he claims he so-called limited

edition carried feature images pertaining to his life and career but at what point in his life was he ever an astronaut? and that i miss when he starred as an extra on yellowstone? it also appears that he may have taken inspiration from some of these from outside sources. doesn't a superhero trump with a laser eyes look a lot like the viral dark branded been in support of resident biden? and one where he got idea for imposing on horseback? could it be from his friends like putin or kim jong-un? let's also not forget that the eternal humiliation, to the eternal humiliation of america, trump is not just a former president but also a current presidential candidate. a month ago he declared his candidacy, but he has yet to hold a single campaign event. though he apparently needed more attention. maybe it's just a sad reaction to his failing poll numbers among republican voters. perhaps it's simply a straight-up money play, as his

many legal bills pile up and his properties hemorrhage money. what made the saddest part is that there are maga supporters even after all of his dangerous, embarrassing stunts, who open up their wallets and shell out the $99 per card even though they're digital so they can never run out. indeed, trump's greatest feet since leaving the white house has been's ability to turn his supporters into his own personal piggy bank. i wonder how long it will be before we see trump enlisted his submissive lackeys like senator lindsey graham to start hawking these goofy trading cards for him, because you know they will do it. trump had bill this is a major announcement, and today dark brandon couldn't resist tweaking a response, i have a nature announcements the last couple of weeks. esper inflation is easing, respect for marriage act, britney griner home, gas prices are lower, 2000 pages in arizona. however, biden didn't come out with his own line of digital