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the capitol. and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women because you'll never take back our country with weakness. >> we are looking ahead to monday, and there is new reporting about the referrals that could be coming from the january 6th committee in trump's plot to overturn the election. >> also tonight, stacey abrams joins me on the recent midterms and how georgia republicans are trying to change the voting rules again. >> plus, acclaimed filmmaker alexandra pelosi joins me with a preview of her new documentary, a unique look at the most powerful woman in america, her mom, nancy pelosi. >> and elon musk's thursday night massacre. one of the journalists newly suspended from twitter will be here with me tonight. we begin with breaking news on the january 6th committee. and multiple reports the committee is eyeing criminal referrals for twice impeached
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disgraced former president donald trump. while nbc news reports the committee has yet to make a final decision, we know it's actively considering recommending charges for insurrection, obstruction of an official proceeding of congress, and conspiracy. it all comes down to the final public hearing held by the committee on monday. where the committee will vote to adopt its final report and vote on referrals. the public will see the highly anticipated report two days after that. it has been quite the saga, january 6th. from the viral spectacle to a full-blown constitutional crisis. the assault on our democracy didn't end that day. it expanded. infecting everything from social media to congress itself. as republicans and the maga movement defended the man at the center of it all. and yet it also exposed the guardrails that exist to protect our democracy. the bipartisan committee that secured testimony mainly from trump's own former staffers and republican allies. the millions of americans who watched on television or online.
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the elected officials who denounced trump and the handful of republicans like liz cheney who stood up to their party. being on the committee proved to be a political liability. congresswoman cheney and elaine luria, another january 6th member, lost their seats. member stephanie murphy and adam kinzinger didn't seek re-election. you have to wonder if they saw the writing on the wall. justice can come slowly or not as all as has been the case for teflon don his entire life. that might change come monday, and for committee member kinzinger leaving congress next month, it was all worth it. in his farewell speech this week, he made sure to call out what is possibly the greaterthet, those in congress who are plotting to destroy democracy from within. >> had i known standing up for truth would cost me my job, friendships, even my personal security, i would without hesitation do it all over again.
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i can rest easy at night knowing that i fulfilled my oath to the office. i know many in this institution cannot do the same. unfortunately, we now live in a world where lies trump truth. where democracy is being challenged by authoritarianism. if we, america's elected leaders, do not search within ourselves for a way out, i fear this great experiment will fall into the ash heap of history. >> joining me is charles coleman jr., former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. glen kirshner, msnbc legal analyst, and hugo lowell, congressional reporter for the guardian. i'm going to start with you, hugo. what can you tell us because there is some reporting that's out there that says that the committee members have made a decision, nbc news has not confirmed that. what are you hearing? >> yeah, look, we reported today that the select committee is considering several options against trump.
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principally, the obstruction of an official proceeding statute and conspiracy to defraud united states. now, the select committee has been hearing from the subcommittee, especially established to consider the issue of referrals for several days now. they met on sunday, they met during this week around votes and even last night they were still discussing it. so i think this kind of reflects a bit of progress in what the committee is trying to do before the monday public business meeting next week where they're going to vote on these referrals. and i think i should mention that these are really specific charges that they are looking at. they took a renewed look at the evidence and said, what is an actual crime here, and they settled on multiple things, and for instance, with the obstruction of an official proceeding, they looked at this and said even attempting to obstruct the certification on january 6th is illegal and we believe we should make a criminal referral against donald trump. >> it's interesting and i'm going to go to you first on this, glen, because jurj carter
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said he looked at what john eastman did and said it was likely he committed along with donald trump potential felonies regarding trying to interfere with gres. just to go through to remind folks and refresh memory, here's donald trump praising eastman, who spoke on the ellipse, eastman did, saying we know there was fraud, traditional fraud that occurred. we know dead people voted. we're all demanding vice president pence this afternoon at 1:00 let the legislators of the state look at this. demanding mike pence overturn the election, and here's trump's praise of him after that. >> john is one of the most brilliant lawyers in the country and he looked at this and he said, what an absolute disgrace that this could be happening to our constitution. and he looked at mike pence, and i hope mike is going to do the right thing. i hope so. i hope so. because if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. >> after that, john eastman pleaded the fifth a bunch of
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time when he's testified before the committee. do you see legal jeopardy for eastman in this? and in theory, if he's in jeopardy, is trump in jeopardy too? >> they're both in jeopardy, joy. i'm so glad you brought up the ruling by federal district court judge out in california, david carter, because it kind of feels like we're in this upside down bizarro criminal justice world because we have two coequal branches of government that based on the evidence have reached conclusions that donald trump and others committed crimes against the united states. federal felonies. we have judge david carter in california ruling after an evidentiary hearing that by a preponderance of the evidence, and that's a really important evidentiary standard, by a preponderance of the evidence, john eastman, together with donald trump, committed two federal felonies. obstruction of an official proceeding, trying to stop the
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certification of joe biden's win. and a conspiracy to commit offenses against and defraud the united states. it soupdz like based on hugo's reporting those are precisely two of the crimes that congress has also concluded there's enough evidence to make a criminal referral on. when in the world do we have the judiciary and the legislative branch taking the lead on amassing evidence and reaching conclusions that these men should be prosecuted with the executive branch, the department of justice, the fbi, lagging behind? i mean, usually, it is the department of justice that takes the lead, announcing through its indictments that crimes have been committed. this is not the way law enforcement ordinarily plays out. >> yeah, it is odd, and charles coleman, this is what hirschhorn testified to regarding what he said to john eastman after he
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learned of what eastman was up to and this is what mr. hirshman said regarding eastman. take a listen. >> i said to him, are you out of your f'ing mind? i said, i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on. orderly transition. eventually, he said orderly transition. i said good, john. now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life. get a great f'ing criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it. >> so he is saying that to eastman, charles, because he understood that what he was saying was criminal. he's saying stop saying that and say things that are legal and he wants him to say orderly transition of power, but eastman has since the year 2000 had this theory that state legislatures could overturn the will of the people and appoint their own electors. this is something that goes back to the year 2000 when he tried to pull that same game in
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florida. so the theory of the case, charles, would be that because eastman had the plan, he had the memo that said here's how you do it, here's how you undo it, and he somehow convinced trump that this could be done, that was the impetus for trump to commit this crime. is that the way you're looking at it as a prosecutor? >> you're right, and i'm glad you brought up eastman's history. he's been pushing this for two decades, going back to the al gore v. bush issue in florida. what hugo said underscores how mind-blowing where we are is. think about this. we're on the precipice of a former president of the united states of america getting a criminal referral from congress to the doj to prosecute him for trying to overturn an election. i know we have said it so many different times but when you really think about how absolutely mind blowing that is, it's truly absurd. the question has been so far, are we going to be able to
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connect donald trump to the actual activity that took place? are we going to be able to connect donald trump to this state elector scheme that took place, and with respect to john eastman as the linchpin and that memo you described, that's how they intend to do it as prosecutors if this referral takes place, which i expect it likely will. >> and the referrals could be for more than one person. let's be clear. the reporting is it potentially could be against the former president, but let me read to you, hugo, this is what the criminal code says about rebellion and insurrection. whoever insights, sets foot, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the united states or gives aid or comfort to should be fined and incapable of holding any office under the united states, also in the 14th amendment. the question comes, is in your reporting the committee considering referrals against anyone else besides donald trump? because this in theory could apply to some members of congress, and that becomes a
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political sticky potential situation if they are putting referrals forward on other members. >> yeah, i think you raise a really good point with that statute, and that's the element about not being able to hold office again. and the reason why the committee has been examining this is because with trump, they really find him a danger to democracy and don't think he should be eligible to be president ever again. and so they have been discussing this in kind of recent days and i should also mention they have also been discussing seditious conspiracy to give you a sense of how seriously they consider what trump did in the lead-up to january 6th and on january 6th itself, but they're looking at referrals for a number of people, both criminal and civil. criminal referrals for trump, potentially other allies around him, and also civil referrals. people like the house of republicans who defied subpoenas, but i think you raise a good point in that we might even see criminal referrals for house members because it is
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true, that disqualification statute is so important and the committee has been looking at that for so long and really trying to figure out if this is something they should bring. >> and we saw, glenn, an attempt to do that to 14th amendment marjorie taylor greene. it did not work. they also saw it attempted against madison cawthorn. it's like impeaching someone and getting a conviction, but this is not just a referral doesn't mean they're prosecuting. they don't have the power to do that, but would a referral have value even if they can't get it all the way to closure? >> it will have value. the department of justice prides itself on exercising independent prosecutorial discretion, but they can't turn a blind eye to a coequal branch of government that has done such an exhaustive investigation when they pass all of that evidence over to doj, and they recommend criminal investigations and prosecutions. and here's the thing, it's great that they're talking about obstructing official proceedings. that's a 20-year offense.
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it's great they're talking about conspiracy to commit offenses against the united states. that's a five-year offense, but the important one, joy, is the one you mentioned, insurrection. why? because the available sentence if you're convicted of insurrection, unlike those other charges, is that you shall be prohibited from holding office under the united states. that quite frankly is the one i'm rooting for. >> and last word to you, charles. what if these referrals result in no prosecutions out of the department of justice, what message would that send? >> we have to think about what that says to the average american. we have to think about everything we have learned throughout the course of the january 6th committee's research and investigation and everything that's been put plainly in front of the public. when you do not hold someone accountable, when you do not hold someone responsible, you're sending a very dangerous message that power and privilege will shield you from the law, and that america's two-tier justice system is very much so in place, alive, and well. that is not the message that you want to send amidst a political
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climate such as this. in my opinion, that would be the absolute worst case scenario. >> and the department of justice is signaling that they do want to show that they are sensitive to these two-tier justice systems. this ruling that they should start treating crack cocaine and cocaine the same in the criminal justice system, so it seems like that's where they want to go. we shall see. thank you all. >> up next on "the reidout," stacey abrams is here. the gubernatorial nominee and voting rights champion has a new book and we're going to talk georgia politics. "the reidout" continues after this. if your business kept on employees through the pandemic, getrefunds.com can see if it may qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per employee, even if it received ppp,
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. while we await the foinal report from the january 6th committee on donald trump's failed coup attempt, we can't overlook there's also been a quieter coup, the less transparent gradual long game that doesn't always get the cameras or congressional hearings. with that is the republican party's attempt to seize power by stealing your vote. they did this long before the insurrection in states like georgia, where governor brian kemp surrounded solely by white men signed the state's voter suppression law under a painting of a plantation where black americans were once enslaved. if the new old south and the governor's intentions could be expressed in a photo, well, there you have it. democrats and voting rights activists branded georgia's new election law jim crow 2.0.
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the law cut in half the time allowed between a general election and a runoff. it reduced early voting locations and voting hours and placed limits on voting by mail. it even made it against the law to approach a voter standing in line with food or water. despite all of this voter suppression, the state's first black senator, raphael warnock, has won two elections and two georgia runoffs. victories harnessed by activists like stacey abrams, latosha brown, and the same black women who helped flip the state blue two years ago. run' off elections have racist roots. georgia and louisiana are the only states that use runoffs for general elections. as "the washington post" points out, georgia's system was created in 1964 at the urging of denmark groover, a vocal segregationist determined to suppress black political representation. runoffs had existed for decades, georgia's enthusiastic adoption of two-round voting came as a way of insuring a conservative
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white candidate won an election, said ashton ellot at the university of georgia. a runoff makes it harder for folks with fewer resources to vote. that worked in republicans' favor for decades, that is until the last two elections where it was the democratic candidates who won. perhaps it should come as no surprise to anyone that all of a sudden georgia's republican secretary of state is now calling for an end to the use of runoff elections claiming it puts a strain on election workers. hmm. joining me now is stacey abrams, founder of fair fight, former democratic nominee for georgia governor, and author of the new children's book skaet stacey's remarkable books." i want to play for you and welcome you back to the show and play for you what senator warnock said in his victory speech after the second time he won a runoff. >> just because people endured
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long lines that wrapped around buildings, some blocks long, just because they endured the rain and the cold and all kinds of tricks in order to vote doesn't mean that voter suppression does not exist. it simply means that you the people have decided that your voices will not be silenced. >> and stacey, i feel like georgia has been sort of, you know, zone central for this game of keep away that people like brad raffensperger and brian kemp when he was secretary of state used to keep making it, okay, you vote this way, now bier going to make that legal, you vote that way, we're going to make that illegal, and they keep trying to move the ball, and then because people surmount all of that, they say there's no voter suppression. what do you make of this ability to gaslight the public that these long lines, which i'm going to show you now, mean, oh, no, everyone can vote?
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>> it's what i have been saying for the last four years and what i will continue to say until we have a voting rights law that actually protects the voters of america. and that is that voter suppression is baked into the dna of our election system. but so is the persistence that we see from voters who are willing to fight against that very -- the ignim ate. we see voters who are turning out and pushing forward despite the obstacles and the false equivalence that says that what happened on january 6th and the conversation about voter suppression are of a piece is completely absurd. we know that what happened on january 6th was about denying the voice of the people. but the fight for voter -- against voter suppression is about lifting up those voices and giving them primacy because in a democracy, your ability to participate should not be impeded, and we should take that as a first principle. and i'm proud of the work that we continue to do to keep that
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front and center in this conversation. >> and to your point about january 6th, jack smith, the special counsel, is actually subpoenaing records and wants to talk to the brad raffenspergers of the world and brian kemps. this is still happen, the more open insurrection that happened is now the subject of both a state and a federal investigation. what do you make of the fact that georgia became the center of the attempt to steal the election and these elected officials in your state are still on the hook to discuss it with special counsel and also with fani willis in the state of georgia? >> i'm glad that georgia continues to be ground zero for the conversation about protecting democracy, but i think we have to widen the aperture of our lens. we have to pay attention not only to what's continuing with that investigation but we have to look at what's in front of the supreme court. the merril case which is being argued would eliminate section two of the voting rights act. that means in georgia, in texas, in florida, majority/minority districts could be eliminated
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through midterm redistricting. we have to look at the moore decision which would give state legislators and the governors basically the impromater to change federal election laws without judicial review at the state level. when you read these things together, we have got to move our eyes beyond the spectacle that has been donald trump to the wider attack on our democracy and our ability to participate in elections. every one of those votes matter, every one of those voices matter. >> i have to tell you, you have been at this since 2014, you are the moses of getting georgians to be able to vote. you made it to the mountaintop and that didn't get to your goal of becoming governor, but you are owed a huge debt of gratitude for everything you have done to make it possible for millions, tens of millions of people to vote in this country, so i'm giving you your flowers while you're here in front of me. but i want to talk about this book. you have written a children's book. the cover is beautiful. tell me about this book and the
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little girl in it whose name happens to be stacey. >> it is a companion to stacey's extraordinary words, which is my first picture book. this one is about a story that actually happened. it was about my friend julie, who hopefully is watching this somewhere. she and her family, they were refugees from vietnam in mississippi in the 1970s. and she and i became friends. she was struggling to read english. i was struggling to talk to other kids because i was a little reserved and awkward. and it's about how we connected. but it's also a celebration of the differences, of the diversity in our society, about why children should be our lodestars for how we learn together and grow together. it's also an homage to my parents. my mom who is a librarian and my dad who struggled to learn because he had undiagnosed dyslexia but both of them taught me to learn reading and learning and words.
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>> i can't wait to read it. and if i couldn't love you more, your mom being a librarian seals the deal, because you know i love a librarian. big ups to your wonderful parents. stacey abrams, big ups to you, and everybody check out the book. i can't wait to have a copy and give it as gifts. >> all right, and up next, alexandra pelosi spent a lifetime filming her mom's remarkable achievements and she joins me next to tell us more about her stirring new documentary, pelosi in the house, stay with us.
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we had a real disturbing report. especially on something. this is -- this is the defining moment for the democrats. this is why we elect democrats. this is why we're here. we can't just be on the taking end of it. especially on a vote like this. okay. thank you. bye-bye. >> that was a clip from a new documentary on speaker nancy pelosi doing what she utterly excels at, locking up votes. in this case for the affordable care act, which as president
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obama said this week, probably wouldn't be law if it wasn't for her tenacity. the documentary, pelosi in the house, shot by pelosi's daughter alexandra, is a snapshot of her storied career that began in 1987 when she ran for congress with the slogan, a voice that will be heard. leading to her having the largest voice in the room as the only female speaker of the house, all while being a super mom and grandma. pelosi is so respected that she elicited this from former republican speaker john boehner this week. >> madam speaker, you and i have disagreed politically on many things over the years. but we were never disagreeable to each other. and madam speaker, i have to say, my girls told me, tell the speaker how much we admire her. >> i'm joined now by nancy pelosi's daughter, filmmaker
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alexandra pelosi. good to see you. i was in the room in the capitol rotunda y think you called it, when that ceremony took place. you could feel the emotion. you could hear a pin drop when john boehner gave that wonderful tribute to her mom. you know, the points that he made about her just skill at wielding power, i think it was also belied by the fact she told her own story and said when she became speaker, it was the first time she walked in the speaker's office. talk about her ability to fearlessly wield power. >> well, the reason i made this film is because for decades, i have been just behind my mother, walking around, following her, filming all of the vote counting. just decades of counting votes. seems like what she did for 20 years was just count votes. i thought, i made this film as a schoolhouse rock to teach people about what a speaker is. as you said, she had never been to the speaker's office until
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she became speaker herself. the point of the film is to show people how a bill becomes a law, because most people don't even know what the speaker of the house does all day. this film is just trying to show you what the speaker is and how you pass a bill. >> so we're seeing some great pictures of nancy pelosi, baltimore girl who winds up representing san francisco. you can see the little kid in the background of that clip, which you know, i saw some other interviews, i think you were on with nicolle saying she's doing this while also being grandma and showing up to all the school dances and all of the things for the family. so she's doing it all, you know, while balancing an actual normal life. >> yes, i weave my son in the film from the age of birth through 16, when he was in the capitol on january 6th. because i'm trying to show the passage of time, how she endured so many presidents. think of it as she served four terms with one republican president and four terms with another president.
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that's not true, she was with obama, so how does that work? i don't know, you do the math, but you get the point. she's been around forever. >> i'm a right brain person, math is not really my bally wick, but let's do the other thing that speaker boehner talked about was this moment when democracy was in the balance and the poise that your mom, that the speaker showed. this is a great clip from your documentary, and this is cut one for my director. >> it doesn't seem to be safe. we have gotten a very bad report about the conditions of the house floor with defecation and all that kind of thing. okay, call us back. i worry about you being at the capitol, though. don't let anybody know where you are. >> match the earrings, match the mask, ate the slim jim and saved democracy. not bad.
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talk about your mom's poise in the face of literal danger as her staff, she talked about her staff having to hide under tables and the fear that mike pence was even afraid to get in the car that day. her poise that day, where does that come from? >> i don't know where it comes from. it's in her dna, just who she is. things are never as good as they seem and things are never as bad as they seem. every day, wake up, put those heels on and march right into the capitol and get it done. that's who she is. >> and put those heels on is true. i have had to try to interview her while i was struggling in heels and she's running in them. >> this is your mom and you're talking about her after she says she can smell. >> if that's what you want to do, like your mom. >> yes, i do. i want to crack you. >> one of the things was what
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happened with your dad. and it was wonderful to see paul pelosi back up on his feet with his dapper hat on at the portrait unveiling. that was a really -- there he is, that was a really tough moment for her. you really saw the emotion when she talked about him, and it was great to see them together. talk about that relationship. >> well, there aren't many men that would sign up for this kind of a life. he's been mr. pelosi now for 35 years. 35 years ago when she went to congress, i don't think he knew what he was getting himself into, but he's been there. if you see throughout the film, he's always there. this, you know, loyal by her side kind of a man, and in the end, he's the one who paid the ultimate price because he ended up in the icu for all the threats against her. it's really sort of tragic that he's the one who paid the
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ultimate price, not the ultimate, but the worst of the family. for everything that she does. so that's sort of the hardest part for us right now as a family, just trying to make peace with the fact how this poor guy ended up the target in all this. >> i can't wait to watch the documentary. the clips are absolutely amazing. historic, particularly when it comes to the january 6th stuff. but seeing vice president harris on one side of the president and speaker pelosi on the other side, i think every little girl, really every little boy and girl in the country, in the world, really learned a great lesson about the power of women. wonderful. alexandra pelosi, congrats and thank you very much. documentary pelosi in the house is available on hbo and on hbo max, and before we go to break, an update on brittney griner. she posted this photo on instagram today of her hugging her wife cherelle along with her first public statement since returning home from detention in russia. griner said it feels good to be home. she thanked president biden for
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securing her freedom and vowed to play in the upcoming wnba season. >> up next, the thursday night massacre. elon musk suspends ten journalists covering his nefarious exploits, demonstrating once and for all how his twisted ideas about free speech really work. one of those journalists joins me next.
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to turn twitter into an even bigger dumpster fire overnight by suspending without warning the accounts of several journalists from cnn, "the new york times," "the washington post," and other outlets, many of whom cover the platform or musk himself. the self-proclaimed free speech absolutist told a group of journalists those reporters were docking him, violating the rule he made a few days ago. had the journalists on the call challenged the claim, musk left abruptly and proceeded to shut down the twitter space's feature all together. banning journalists is a bad move on its own but it's made worse by the fact that in the month since his takeover of twitter, he's reinstated the accounts of far right users who spread conspiracies, white nationalists, anti-semites, people spreading covid disinformation, and the former president who was kicked off for fomenting a violent insurrection. those people got their accounts back, but the reporters whose
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job it is to hold people like musk to account or who have shared information about private plane locations which i can't stress enough is publicly available to anyone, they get the boot. joining me now is matt bender, reporting from mashable and one of the reporters whose account was banned and victor xi, cohost of the i again politics podcast. let's start with you, matt. welcome to the show. >> thanks for having me. >> sure. i have my own theory about why people were banned. and i'm wondering if at any point you retweeted the clip of elon musk being booed. because it seems like that might be part of the issue that aaron faced, that he was making fun of hem. that seems to me the more occam's razor answer for why he was banned, but what do you think is behind your banning? >> it's unclear exactly what was behind the banning. you know, twitter suspended my account shortly after i simply
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shared that lapd statement from cnn's donny o'sullivan tweeted it out first, the lapd says elon musk claims his family was accosted by someone who high thinks was tracking his family via that elon's jet tracking account. the lapd says they never heard from musk. they reached out to him, he hasn't gotten back to him and there's no incident filed. so doni o'sullivan from cnn was shortly suspended after he shared that statement. i simply screen shotted that statement and put it out myself. letting people know that he got suspended royalty after sharing it and then i was suspended shortly after too. elon musk is claiming it's because we shared doxed private location information on twitter, but i never did that. >> and it doesn't seem that anyone ever did it. victor, you use the platform. i saw you promoted your
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appearance on this show on the platform. some people are still sticking with it. at this point, i try to pull myself off it, i think it's too toxic, but thank god for the great ben collins who tweeted out that all of these folks were suspended. that's how i saw that it happened. he's one of the best in the business. we love him. at this point, is twitter in your mind worth using? >> you know, i think for all toxicity, you said that so eloquently, for all of the toxicity the platform provides, there are some good uses especially for journalists and academics. it provides a great resource for them and disseminates information in a great way and kind of going to what matt said, i think it's a really confusing decision pie by elon musk, bought this is someone i believe is deeply narcicisstic and it doesn't take a psychologist to see that. his patterns and behavior and actions he's taken shows that anything that runs against his kind of world view or his perception of the world is immediately deemed as you're not
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credible and he kicks them off the platform. i think there's a lot of scary stuff happening with elon musk. he's erratic, there is no rationalization for this because at the end of the day, i think it's his self-image that matters the most and he's willing to burn the platform to the ground to see that happen. i think a lot of people for good reason are getting off the platform because of what he's doing, but at the end of the day, i'm staying because this is someone who tries to promote chaos and division, and i feel like at the end of the day, hopefully my staying on can and other people's staying on can push back against what he's trying to do to the platform. >> you know matt, he is two clicks away from having trading cards, let's be clear. he is cyber trump. at the same time, he is also trying to block people from promoting where they are going to. the guy who runs mastodon got his account blanked as well, or kicked off as well, because he
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-- and anyone who is promoting the leaks to their post account is being thrown off as well. so at this point, he doesn't own this by himself. the saudis have a big chunk of it as well. the misinformation that is there, the covid misinformation that is there, that is dangerous stuff. i don't know if this is something you are covering at long length, but on your mind, what is the risk if the risk -- if he gets mad at you, if he feels like you are teasing him, mean to him, you lose your access? >> right. that is sort of the issue here. this twitter files that he has been releasing via -- have been highly critical of the old twitter regime. that way, via these documents, is basically, it seems like back and forth debate between multiple twitter employees about how to rollout specific policy, how to deal out
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punishments. sometimes you saw twitter employees pushback towards punishing certain users. it seems like some sort of healthy debate in the background there. now it seems like strictly things are being run by what elon musk feels like at the moment. he had tweeted out just last month that while he was not a fan of the elon's jet account that tracked his private jet via his free speech believes, he was going to let it stay on the platform. then all of a sudden, on wednesday he bans the account, and hours later twitter and ounces a new policy about not being able to tweet out, or share private location based information. basically saying that he launched jet is suspended because they broke a twitter policy that did not yet exist, not even giving them a chance to come back on and abide by the new policy. then all of these journalists get suspended via reporting on
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elon's jet, it just so happens that if this with some sort of math purge, which i thought it was going to be at first i could say maybe it was an algorithm gone wild. but when it is ten specific journalists who have been highly critical of musk, i mean, it is pretty clear that these were all handpicked by someone inside twitter. >> yeah. keith olbermann, but also journalists from cnn, mash-able, the washington post, i think it is pretty clear it is a purge. again, i think that he thinks people are making fun of him and being mean to him. there we go, there is the list. matt binder, you are on that list as well. victor shi, it feels like you can take the two spider-man scheme and just put two miscellaneous because at this point you have donald trump doing the playing cards, apparently copying something that the other mussolini in florida, florida's governor did first, ron desantis did baseball cards of himself so he did these cards. you sort of have all of these
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figures who all seem to be radicalized in the same way. and they are all kind of either fighting each other or competing to be the most powerful mussolini. i wonder you, as a young guy who is out there trying to work in the space politically make of this chaos on the right. >> it is really beyond parity, i think. it is south that we have a republican party that seems to have no policy basis and that seems to just support someone like donald trump. like you said, the similarities between elon musk and donald trump are really apparent. they both are grifters, they both -- with donald trump's major announcement which turned out to be a pretty sad and pathetic one is that he was releasing trading cards, these general trading cards. i think it is very embarrassing for trump to be doing this. i think for the republican party they think a lot of voters are gullible, or less smart than they think. i think at the end of the day, for a lot of young people, especially who i talked to, we
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saw this in the midterm elections just a few weeks ago, we are rejecting this kind of extremism in this type of rhetoric. so i think that for trump and elon musk, a lot of people can see right through it. >> they are all the same, though. desantis is no different, you have matthew taylor greene, has you ever seen the godfather? they all got worked at the end of the series, what are you talking about? the five families don't turn out well, but she thinks it is a good reference. i don't see the difference between any of them. matt and victor are going to stick around, don't miss that, we will be right back. l be right back. get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could do. getrefunds.com has helped businesses get over a billion dollars
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means it is time to put our favorite game, yes, back with me, matt binder, and victor shi, who won the week? >> journalists. elon musk put out to polls that said he was going to bring back his suspended journalists, and his choices were to lose both of them. whether he actually listens to the poll, we don't know.
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but twitters users are sending musk a clear message. they won those journalists back on the platform. >> and that he is a loser. victor shi, who won the week? >> i have to say all of the interracial and same-sex couples out there who had the privilege of attending the signing ceremony of the respect for marriage act. many people are in same-sex marriages, and they cannot find comfort and relief in this signing. they won the week for me. >> i don't know if we will see -- , my choices doctor cotton. geishas the new president of harvard. she's black, she's a woman, and she is going to ruin to comes day. matt binder, victor shi, you all won the week for being here. all in with chris hayes starts right now. being here>> tonight on all in. >> mister chairman, in numerous places, our constitution strongly opposes insurrection and rebellion. >> new reporting that the
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