this is the katie fang, show live from our msnbc headquarters in new york city. we have got lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer. we have brand-new reporting about which criminal referrals to january 6th committee is

actively considering against donald trump. a look at the legal and political fallout with our saturday morning power panel. plus, elon musk does a quick one 80, restoring the twitter accounts of several journalists he suspended after accusing them of doxxing them. guess who convinced him to do it? and, later, explosive new details from harry and megan's new netflix docuseries, reaction from the british media and the palace and whether king charles could retaliate by stripping their royal titles. all of that and more coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ and a good saturday morning to you all, i am katie fang. we began the hour with breaking news on the january six committees investigating the capitol riot. three sources activated, telling nbc news that a final

call is not been made on criminal referrals. jurors are said to be considering three options for donald trump. nbc's allie raffa is on capitol hill for us with the details. ali. >> katie, good morning. all eyes this morning are on the january six committee as a twerk comes down to the buyer we know members are meeting this weekend, trying to finalize that lengthy report of their findings and recommendations before this final public meeting on monday, where that report will be presented and more was widely released on wednesday. part of that report, could include the referrals to the justice department for former president trump. as far as his role in the capitol attack. members, we know are still debating whether to recommend charges for insurrection, obstruction of an official proceeding of congress, and conspiracy to defraud the federal government. while all three charges are on the table, three sources very close to the deliberations being considered by this committee says that a final

decision has not been made. members have repeatedly cited the ruling by a district judge in the case against john eastman, trump's lawyer, for why they think both of them committed federal crimes in the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election. trump is not the only one that members may take action against in this public meeting on monday, chairman bennie thomas has said that there could be five or six different types of referrals for other members, other targets, and they could be referrals to the house ethics committee, other possibly the bar association, things for campaign finance violations and the sort. these are all critical decisions that committee members are working on this weekend, before the final meeting on monday. of course, we know that any referrals by this committee do not carry any real legal weight. they are largely symbolic, but

it is going to be a critical decision that will fall on the shoulder of the justice department of whether they decide to move on a possible criminal referral for former president trump, given the independent investigations we know they have been conducting for months now. all critical decisions still being mulled over by members of the january six committee in these last few days. >> nbc's allie raffa, thank you so much. we just a bit we are going to dive in the political and legal fallout of the potential referrals, including whether they could move the needle for special counsel jack smith if he is on the fence about bringing certain charges. our power panels are standing by with more on that. now, to some border news. an appeals court has ruled that the trump era public health order to expel migrants immediately at the border must be lifted by wednesday. the gop led states that filed lawsuit has previously indicated that they are prepared to take the case to the supreme court. and now, president biden is calling on congress for help as he prepares for an influx of

migrants. gary is live in wilmington with the latest. good morning. gary >> good morning katie, the circuit court of appeals has plaza -- decided to block a lower court order lifting those covid era restrictions for asylum seekers at the southern border. basically what this means is that if the supreme court does not get involved between today and wednesday, title 42 will be lifted. now, this will be a lawsuit that was filed by 19 attorney general's from republican states across the country, saying that they want to have a say in what happens to title 42. the appeals court disagreed, and so here we are. the white house has released a statement overnight saying, in part, to be clear, the lifting of the title 42 to health order does not mean the border is open. anyone who suggests otherwise is doing the work of smugglers spreading this information to make a quick buck off of vulnerable migrants.

they also say that they have what they call, a robust odor -- effort underway to manage the border in a safe, orderly, and humane way when title 42 lives. title 42 maybe lifting on wednesday, but it is not going to stop here is the busing of migrants from arizona and the state of texas. texas alone has bussed more than 14,000 migrants to democratic led cities across the country, chicago, philadelphia, new york, and washington d.c.. the texas governor's office told me this week, katie, that they continue this for the foreseeable future. katie. >> thank you to you, gary. now we are going to turn to ukraine where russian forces have rush a barrage of missiles and drone tax across the country. many targeting ukraine's energy systems. this is left millions of civilians without heat or electricity as temperatures drop below freezing. the biden administration is now expected to supply ukraine with a highly sophisticated patriot

missile defense system, designed to intercept ballistic and cruise missiles. nbc correspondent alison barber has more. >> russian strikes -- we terrified drivers on the ukrainian highway. put up a massive russian bombardment, at least 76 missiles, according to ukraine. the majority tie fired at kyiv. targeting ukraine's energy infrastructure, taking out power and heat during a frigid winter. -- a doctor finished a hard operation during a blackout. much of here is dark, but the school is a refuge with heat, electricity, and internet. it is one of thousands of what ukraine calls points of invincibility. safety and humanitarian shelters it located throw ukraine. this is among those, finding some relief. she and her husband are expecting a baby girl. >> i am on, eight months pregnant.

>> for -- the consistent attacks on the power grid are forcing them to prepare for the possibility of a delivery in the dark. >> i know now, i have learned how to have delivery in a shelter. and i do not know what i'm going to do. >> she is thought about leaving, but her husband, like all men of military age, would not be able to go with her. >> i do not want to leave my husband. i just live day by day. >> ukraine's zelenskyy continues to ask allies for more robust air defenses. u.s. air -- tells nbc news the administration is close to finalizing plans to provide ukraine with a patriot missile system. >> thanks to alison barber in ukraine. britney griner will be home for the holidays after leading a texas military base on friday, where she spent several days after being released from russian custody. the wnba star took to instagram when her first public statement, thanking everyone who helped

get her out. saying, quote, it feels so good to be home. the last ten months have been a battle at every turn, i dug deep to keep my faith, and it was the love from so many of you that help me keep going. from the bottom of my heart, thank you to everyone for your help. >> griner also posted two pictures, including -- on united states soil, and one of her hugging her wife griner. pledged to help free other americans from foreign imprisonment, including paul wheatland. she says that she fully intends to play basketball this season. coming up, as the january 6th committee weighs criminal referrals against trump and others, there is one charge that could keep them from ever holding federal office again. legal analyst charles coleman is here to explain. plus, elon musk caves and reinstates the twitter accounts of several journalists he had suspended. but, one of the journalists has a warning about how the whole incident could impact reporting

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political investigations reporter for the guardian hugo lowell. gentlemen, the best way to start the saudi is with you, you go. i'm going to go to you first. give us some insight into the deliberations that are taking place inside the committee as we noted in addition to the crime of insurrection. we know they're also looking at obstruction of congress as well as conspiracy. >> that's right. the obstruction of an official proceeding and conspiracy to defraud, to statutes that this committee has been considering for a while. this has been the culmination of a probe, a month long investigation. we started with liz cheney, vice chair, around this time last year in fact. she believed that there was cause for there to be a violation of the obstruction statute. but over the intervening months, the committee has really accelerated on those two charges. those are the principal recommendations that a special subcommittee made or has been

making to the rest of the committee in the past week. there's been a very flawed process. they are still talking about it, and they're also talking about things like insurrection as you say. i think this weekend it will come to their determinations and ultimately vote on matter on monday. >> charles, you are a former prosecutor like me. the subcommittee that you go talks about as well as within his reporting, stacked with former prosecutors as well. there's been some discussion, charles, about this crime of insurrection, whether or not it is really easy to prove, whether or not. do you think they should even be a factor at all? by the committee in terms of the burden of proof, in terms of the doj trying to obtain a conviction for any of the referrals? >> i do think it's important to understand that. the committee transferring criminal referral to doj doesn't necessarily mean that the doj has to take up the mantle. it is also important to remember that the doj, as well as the committee itself is going to have access to a

wealth of information that the access -- as a former prosecutor, you and i both know that there are lots of parts of investigations that the public usually doesn't see. in terms of the amount of information which has been in the public eye. there is a lot more that could change the scale in terms of how easy it would be. that is not an easy charge on its face, but i do think that it is incumbent upon the january six committee to turn those referrals over, make the decision in terms of making the call itself. based off the admission they have, then allow the doj to do what it does and make a decision about a prosecution. >> you go, i boss often referred to as the tip of the spear. you have some breaking news all of the time when it comes to how the committee is operating ones members are thinking. you and i talked about the fact that this committee, i'm not defined in fighting, but they've had a lot of disagreements along the way about what is important and what is not. give us some kind of inside

track on who else, other than trump, we all know he is the focus here, but who else might actually have their head on the chopping block in terms of a possible referral by this committee and whether the committee is going to agree on that? >> look, i think both criminal and referral -- one of the things that they are going to take into consideration is the subcommittees recommendations. the subcommittee has recommended a criminal referral against trump. they've also recommended criminal referrals against people like john eastman and other people like mark meadows who were in trump's inner circle at the trump white house. they're also looking at several referrals. they are looking at referrals for the ethics of committee against congress. despondence like ali said. in her segment -- i think you're looking a really wide range of options and it reflects this committee's modus operandi over the past 12 months. they really have been looking at a range of options. it's never just, we make one recommendation and then you're gonna follow that. this committee -- there's a lot of competing

agendas, a lot of competing viewpoints. i think the way it pans out will be effective on the members than anything else. >> charles, the charter for this committee up in january, we are talking about them issuing a written report on wednesday, just a few days from now. jack smith is waiting over there at the oj, doing his own investigation. these criminal referrals, as you know, do not carry any legal weight. there's no obligation for the doj to pick up the mantle as you refer to it. but it does send a powerful message, does it not? that congress and members of congress relieve that crimes were committed. if you are special counsel, jack smith charles, and you are on the fence on these charges, would you actually think that this has some weight in terms of your determination of bringing charges are not? >> absolutely. you have to look at where we have been and how we got to this point. when talking about a committee, -- they interviewed literally hundreds of witnesses and have gone through millions of

documents, text messages, communications. now if they make a referral, which they will, to special prosecutor jack smith, let's back up for a second and ask ourselves, jack smith was brought in just to make a decision. presumably so, because we believe there is an opportunity for a grand jury to move forward and for an indictment and prosecution. with all that resting in his lap, in addition to the fact that you now have a former president who was given a criminal referral by the special committee for congress for criminal activity, i absolutely believe that that nudged jack smith, if he needed it, to ward moving forward with the prosecution. >> i last-minute, that you want and with you. i wanted to ask you, we know this report is suppose to be 1000 pages if not more. a chapters, are they actually going to just put all of that information, distilled into that one publication, being the 16 committee. what have we heard whether not pieces of it are going to be

excluded? >> i think the idea is that this proposal will be comprehensive. it is the legacy part of the committee. they want to basically be the thing that people will look back at and see, this is what this committee has done, this is the evidence and the seriousness of the crime that trump committed, distilled into this one document. but it is also going to be released in tandem with the rest of the evidence. this committee has been a very big on releasing all the transcripts, all of the documents. i think that will also be key, there will be links back to the evidence that is going to be made publicly available. if you look at it is totality, i think the committee will be making all of the evidence available, in a way that actually people can go and pursue. i think that is really important. >> sounds like the three of us are gonna have some interesting christmas reading when it comes out. it was the nice -- but charles, hugo, and katie reading a chapters of the 16 committee report. gentlemen, thank you for starting off our show with this admitting panel.

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as it investigates trump's actions surrounding the election. or maybe set a precedent for the majority party to issue referrals against its political enemies. so, are the risks worth it? here to help me answer that question and more is our saturday morning political panel, former republican and political strategist actually oats. she's also a think contributor and democratic strategist, former aide in the obama white house office of urban affairs. elaina, good morning to you as well as to actually. it's so nice to have both of you back to the show. elaine, i love to start with you. why should the possible political blow back from referrals against trump even be a part of the calculus here? a federal judge has already determined that trump and others conspired to defraud the united states. >> given all the effort that has gone into the january six committee, the members are trying to ensure that the presentation of the information they give has the greatest

level of impact. so i don't think they are concerned, as concerned about the politicization of the report at this point. they just want to make sure it has the best and most important impact. that impact is both public education, making the historic record, making sure that they are presenting where there has been criminality in their mind from the amassing of their evidence and also flagging it for the department of justice. of course, the determination about whether not to prosecute ultimately comes down to the department of justice. this is not -- they do not have the authority to prosecute. we are going to see jack smith go forward with this independent investigation and ultimately come to the conclusion, whatever conclusion the doj had determines with regard to criminality. the january six committee want to make sure that they are placing their findings in the best light to make sure that the public knows what went down on january 6th. >> actually, putting aside the

report itself, the work and the mission of the 16 committee, on the flip side of the argument, would a move like these referrals including a criminal referral for donald trump play right into republicans hands? >> you would think, but i think on the flip side of that too, katie, it should be a question of whether not trump is fit to run for office a third time. given that there could be potential criminal referrals here for the actions of january 6th. and the points that we're all just made, the whole point of this committee was to get to the bottom of what happened. it never should have become this political toxic thing that it has become. house republicans now want to investigate the investigation. where does it end? when do we actually get to the bottom of what happened with the incitement, with those that stormed the capitol? we are starting to see some of these indictments come down at a federal level or at the d.c. levels in the different courts from people who tended and

storm the capital, but where is the accountability for the political leaders who were texting each other that day, donald trump's role at the rally he held where this was all encouraged. it begins to become a stomach problem in the republican party when they encourage actions of violence. when they cast out on congress and government institutions, this is what happens. if there is no accountability moving forward, i do worry about investigations and the political toxicity of them, no matter who's investigating, republicans or democrats. but to get to the truth of what happened and to restore trust in our democracy. that is exactly what needs to happen. i'm hoping criminal referrals have been, i hope the republicans at least decide to say hey, donald trump, take a backseat, you can no longer run because of this. >> to that point, elena, trump's so-called major announcement turned out to be 99 dollar digital trading cards of himself. even die hard trump allies thought it was cringey.

listen to steve bannon and michael flynn's reactions. >> they are called trump vigil trading cards, these cards feature some of the really incredible -- >> okay, i got it. i can't watch it again, make it stop. >> whoever advised him on that, i would fire them immediately. >> even an insurrectionist, who pleaded guilty to ride charges on 16 tweeted the following, i cannot believe i'm going to jail for an nft salesman. elena, is trump trolling himself? i feel like he is, is trump trolling himself as well as his 2024 run? >> he is certainly stepping on his own messaging. his campaign was supposed to come out with a policy announcement on the same day. i take a few things from the nfc cards. first, the website for the card says that none of the money, none of the proceeds that are raised from this are going to go towards his campaign.

you know the director and chief wray something like $250 million for a false election defense fund. he has a huge host of criminal problems that he can use his defense for, i he will -- i mention this money is going to go towards his campaign. you see all of his allies backing away. this was one step too far. after a month of party fouls, political fouls, having dinner with a not cnn antisemite, saying that the constitution should be struck in order for him to be receded as president. i think the republican party is starting to see don trump, even at as the albatross around their neck. he may have thought that it was a good business decision, but i think he is alienating his close to supporters. >> the fact that took nft cards for somebody to say, i'm done with him, is really unbelievable. actually, i'd like to wrap up

with you. the sales from the trading cards, it is really confusing, even elena mentions it, but reportedly it is going straight to donald trump rather than his 2024 campaign. frankly, elaine, it doesn't mean he will use the money. ashley, it does the fact that the money goes directly to donald trump just underscore how little he really cares about his campaign and that frankly, is just more about line in his own pockets. let the grift go on. >> he is a con artist. this has been the gig all along. he is pull the wool over all of the supporters ice. he is the guy who represented the little guy. that was two when it came to his campaign donations, they were all pretty much small dollar donors. he is gravelling towards that, that base of folks to play them yet again knowing that his campaign is flailing. i think at this point, it is really a business thing. he is an entertainer, he is a con artist, that is his whole play here. was anybody really all that surprised? katie, to your point, it took

this to have republicans start distancing themselves from him. not the racist rhetoric, not the -- if you go back to the 2016 campaign, the comment that were made about women. it took nft cards to get us here. but, alas, this is the world of donald trump and the party of donald trump. hopefully now they're all regretting that decision. >> i agree, i'm laughing because it's all absurd. i had michael cohen on, i'm was trying to stop him of two and cards. one of the eating ice cream, and one of meeting food. ashley annalena, thank you for joining me for the saturday morning power political panel on the show. so it's good to see you, happy holidays to both of you. a quick programming note, monday noon and eastern, join msnbc for special coverage of

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musk reinstating the twitter accounts of most of the journalists he had just suspended on thursday. in typical musk fashion, he relied on the results of a twitter poll that asked whether he should bring back the journalists who he claims revealed his location. the people said, yes. in reality, some of the bad journalists had simply tweeted links to the account at elon, and shared publicly available information on the location of musk's private jet. the cell proclaimed free speech absolutist set back in april, that he hopes his worst critics day on twitter, because that is what free speech means. just eight months later, we have musk him self doing the censoring in a stunning display

of hypocrisy. even made it impossible for users to tweet out links to mastodon, twitters emerging competitor. how is this for irony? masovian the he deployed some right leading journalist expose efforts by the company's previous owners to censor conservative views. one of them, barry weiss, is calling out musk for ruling on quote, whims and buys these. some friends, along with host ben shapiro also questioning musk's recent moves. joining me now is one of the independent journalists whose twitter count was suspended and he is a friend. erin rupert, good morning, thank you so much for taking the time join us. first, how to get your reaction to the news that musk reinstated you overnight as well as some, if not most, if not all frankly, of the council he is suspended. >> i'm really glad to be back. i have being suspended for a little over a day. the amount of support and well

wishes i received was really overwhelming. it affirmed how great my twitter community is. it did promise to get busy on post news. i'm -- i'm trying to branch out and get on different platforms because as we are seeing now with elon musk running twitter, we can't really rely on the platform at this point you have transparent rules or to have processes that make sense when things like this happen. i was heartened that the poll turned in such a way where we were all reinstated, at least most of us. there are some who have not been reinstated yet. usually when musk runs those polls, they seemed to turn out the way that he wants to turn out. when he initially ran a poll on, i think thursday evening asking how long we should be suspended, one of the options was for longer. he and say what that meant. i was worried that that often would end up winning. even though the polls usually turn out the way that he wants them to turn out, it ended up that people wanted us to be

reinstated so i'm happy to be back. >> aaron, let's be clear, there's terms of service for different platforms, you can get any notice that you had violated any of those terms. frankly, it was just literally the flick of a switch. it was done arbitrarily and capriciously by elon musk. have you gone back to try to look at the bread comes to see what you did to be able to merit this pivotal? >> it took a few hours piece it together after i'd been suspended. it had some helpful reporters who have been reporting on the story to get to the bottom of why we were suspended. i think they're a couple things that we always had in common. one is that we had shared a link to be even a jet page on facebook which, i had actually shared a tweet with that information on wednesday morning when the twitter account for you launch it was banned. i was just sharing the link as a bit of these reporting to pass along to my followers that hey, this account might be dead on twitter, but if you want to follow it on facebook, stewardess.

we had all done that, but the second thing we all had in common was that we had all been critical of your mask. it seemed like a convenient pretext to say hey, these journalists are endangering me, we are going to bend them. even though i don't think there is any merit to that. i think what this will end up doing, which is unfortunate, is have a chilling effect on coverage of elon musk because now if we are in a prison to publish a tweet that is looking at him, i will have to think twice and wonder if he can manipulate the terms of service on the fly to come up with a reason to ban me. >> you know, erin, it's not clear that if you are an avid twitter user like me, you, and you want to avoid suspension, it kind of seems like they're trying to send your message. you better not run afoul of elon musk. you have a concern that this is gonna make you more cautious about choosing whether to even report on elon musk or twitter? it sounds like a potentially chilling effect. >> i think that is something that is probably part of the

goal here, to have that chilling effect. it will definitely make me think twice about taking shots at him because it's not really worth the cost. i spent a decade building a huge following on twitter, nearly 800,000 people, i'm grateful for all of them. as an independent journalist, that is my professional currency. being cut off from that audience, not only was it just frustrating and annoying in terms my work flow, but really endangers my livelihood in certain way. it's unfortunate that elon musk has that sort of power over me and again, i'm trying to branch out to different platforms that i think we'll have more stability and more rules rather than just what the owner wants them to be on a given day. but yeah, i think beyond my personal situation, as you mentioned katie, that chilling effect. linette lopez of inside it was suspended yesterday, she is best known for having done some really hard-hitting investigations of tesla. i still haven't seen many hours later any sort of explanation for what she was suspended. that to me is almost more of a

chilling precedent than my situation because at least there was some sort of pretext, these people share this link to this facebook page we don't like. in minutes case, it just seems seemed like she was suspended for doing fair and hard-hitting reporting on elon musk. i think if that is the standard, the math is not a very sustainable or good standard for twitter to have in terms of the terms of service. >> it reminds me, erin, of the wizard of oz. you pull the curtain back and there is the wizard controlling all the levers. they're supposed to be a content moderation council, i'm still looking for it at twitter. erin rupaul, we are glad to have you back. i am one of your 800,000 followers, all coming aside, thank you for joining us this morning and for sharing your experience, i appreciate you. >> my pleasure, thanks run me on. >> and up next, the duke and duchess of sussex have aired a lot of royal dirty laundry this week. is it possible that the king could punish them by stripping them of their titles? and you harry and meghan even care? nbc's world contributor daisy

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called out in the series jumped on that. the sun calling the latest episodes a netflix pity party. the daily mail highlighting growing calls for controls to strip them of their royal titles. buckingham palace hasn't officially responded to any claims from the series, but their permission is in full swing. seemingly on a holiday tour to account of any bad press from the netflix series. king charles was given a warm welcome at a jewish community center in london. he was even spotted dancing at the pre-hanukkah celebration. princess kate hosted a christmas concert in westminster abby, just hours after the new episodes aired, followed by prince william and to their children. joining me now is nbc news royal contributor daisy andrew. thank you so much for coming back to the show. we wanted to talk to you because from what i've read, this docuseries is the highest rated, highest watched docuseries in netflix history so far. the documentary is talking

about the very calculated nature of public appearances by royal family members. so, what is the significance of this show of force that we are now seeing from the royal family? do you think they're going to release an official response to some of the claims that were raised in the docuseries? >> i don't think we are going to see any written statements, or any official responses in that way. as you said, those pitches to paint 1000 words, don't they? the loss of those pictures have been showing a family that is coming together, a family that is united. i mean the family excluding harry and megan of course. you mentioned the christmas carol service that was very much the new princess of wales, kates, baby. it's something that she's been organizing for many, many months you saw those pictures. even the royals had a color correlated their clothes, they were all wearing burgundy. it was as if that was a comment because meghan had talked about how significant the colors

were. there is lots of on spoken messages. the main one being unity. i don't think we will see harry and meghan stripped of their titles. they did say in this documentary that they had been prepared to relinquish their titles. funnily enough, it actually is quite difficult for a reigning monarch to see if anyone of their title. they were given the title from the queen and from prince fair philip, harry's grandfather. it would take a constitutional act of parliament for the king, harry's father, who actually strip them of their titles. interestingly, there was a newspaper poll overnight. now, a bit of the warning. from the very right-wing newspapers who aren't natural fans of harry and megan's, the 25,000 people responded to that poll and 97% of them said that they thought harry and meghan should be stripped of their title. there is a lot of anger. i think there is a lot of hurt

within the royal family. i don't think they will be losing their titles. >> on a follow-up was something that you just said, it is that difficult for king charles to strip them of their titles, but meghan and harry could voluntarily relinquished them. that is what you just said. do we have any indication from what you've seen, from what you know about the rules in what you've heard miss docuseries as to why they don't take that affirmative step forward? a lot of people are having that level of criticism in that poll. we have heard it over here in the united states. is there a reason, do you know why they are not actually doing that step forward to completely turn on the monarchy frankly? >> i think, as far as they're concerned, they have voluntarily relinquished the use of the h are h, his royal highness, her royal highness. that is as far, at the moment, or when they left the uk, that is far as they were prepared to go. i think in some way, this is a little bit of a detail because the really stinging bit of what

they said in that documentary are the personal attacks on, and that clip you just played, it was absolutely the right clip to play. the one where he says he was bullied by his big brother and lie to buy his father in that summit, the one where they come together to decide on the future of harry and meghan. the one that, in the documentary, they also said, harry and meghan, they felt it was very wrong and very sexist that meghan was deliberately cut out of that meeting, that that meeting was called the minute she got on the plane to head back to the united states. many, many accusations. i think it will take a long time for those winds to be lit. and almost just as they will be lit, and perhaps recovering, gendered tent, we have a book coming out called spare. i'm afraid to say, i love to know your opinion on what you say americans are thinking. i think most brits are not thinking about that. please spare us.

>> you know what i'm thinking, i'm thinking is the holidays and so this has to be difficult for everybody. as a family during the holidays, especially so. we appreciate you taking the time to come here and share your insight and your analysis. we appreciate you being a friend of the show, happy holidays, daisy. >> you too, always a pleasure. >> as we head to break, you are looking at live pictures of the rockefeller tree. we are now just eight days, eight days away from christmas. ahead of hanukkah starts tomorrow evening. we will be right back. evening we will be right back. we will be right back.

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