hey everybody. good to see. i'm yasmin vossoughian, we are on top of the latest developments as the january six committee meets this weekend

ahead of the release of final report we have learned they are considering criminal referrals on three different charges involving former president donald trump. we will tell you what those are. plus, a major decision by a judge. clearing the way for a move that could cause chaos at the southern border. and, elon musk, backing down. reinstating journalist that he banned from the site. what he says, changes. mind and, while the disgraced head of crypto company ftx is facing federal charges, one for the lawyer says he is not the only one who should be paying up. >> a trade, are you sure? not a trade trade. i'm treating crypto. ftx is the easiest and safest way to buy and sell crypto. it's the best way to get in the. game >> is it, though? i'm going to talk to the lawyer going after tom brady and other celebrities who got money to people to invest and then lose it all. that is later on, this hour. we have course want to start with that breaking news when it comes to january six committee. working overtime today, and the

rest of the weekend to wrap up their investigation before the christmas holiday. that conclusion sought to come into parts. monday's final public meeting, and wednesday's release. of the final report. and, as nbc news is reporting, the committee is actively considering recommendations to charge trump with up to, listen to this, three separate crimes. we are looking at insurrection, obstruction of an official proceeding of congress, and conspiracy to defraud the u.s. government. i want to bring, in let's first bring in ali raphael, on capitol hill. burris also legal analyst joyce vance. ali, let me start with. you if you can, bring us up to speed on this. what is the latest that we are hearing about the committee's final work today and over the weekend ahead of this final public meeting on monday? >> yeah so, and i've been checking in with sources throughout the day. and they actually say that committee is leading the win -- still debating these key questions, these waited

questions over what to do when they meet for their likely last public appearance during this final meeting on monday. one of those decisions, they are going to have to make is whether or to make those criminal referrals to the justice department for former president trump, as far as his role in the attack on the capitol on january 6th. you mentioned those charges that they are likely considering at the top there. this would be for insurrection, obstruction of an official proceeding, of congress and conspiracy to defraud the federal government. this would obviously be historic and unprecedented. so it makes sense why they would be taking so long to make this decision. the weight of this decision, not lost on committee members because we know they have said for months now that this decision, if it is made, would require a unanimous vote for all committee members to be unable to do. this chairman bennie thompson also said that trump is not the only person that committee is

considering referrals. to keep isa there are five or six different types of referrals the committee is considering for other targets. these could be people like house gop members who ignored subpoenas by this committee. people who that committee believed intimidated their witnesses, or, witnesses who the committee believes may have lied to their own investigators. those are still things, these looming questions that the committee is still actively debating before this likely final appearance on monday, where we also expect them to percent that final report. if their findings, recommendations, that report slated to be more widely distributed on wednesday,. yasmin >> all right, ali, i know it all this developing news ahead of the final report to be issued next, week you the letter what you do. so i will let you. go ally raffa, for us. we thank. you joyce, let's talk to a couple. things first and foremost is, three parcels are just here. we are looking at insurrection, let's bring up the full screen. if we can, once again. insurrection, obstruction of an official proceeding of congress, and conspiracy to defraud the u.s. government. what is the likelihood they go

with one, all three, where they have the most evidence as to what we know so far of course ahead of this phone report? >> so, it depends on what the committee thinks its job is. will they take on the role of prosecutors to decide whether there is admissible evidence to prove each of these charges beyond a reasonable doubt? i think that is hard for that committee to do, and it is really not their purpose. it is more likely that they are thinking about our evidence in general terms, and whether there is, to use a legal term, probable cause to believe that these crimes have been committed. they won't really have to deal with the sort of legal issues doj would have to deal with to decide whether to indict. they will simply view their evidence in a common sense sort of approach. and, given that sort of a likely scenario, it is very i think possible that they could recommend on all three of these. insurrection is of course the most difficult one. it requires decided proof of an

intent to interfere with the government in a more formal, more dangerous way than the conspiracy charges or the obstruction charges do. but, it is entirely possible we could see the committee go on all three of these charges. >> to this point, choice, i want to talk about something that politico has been reporting and i just want to know if there are sources that nbc has not verified themselves. two judges saying, to justify incitement of insurrection the report references u.s. district court judge amess met does february ruling saying that trump's language plausibly incited violence. and we should note it is not clear whether this be reflects the majority of the committee. and another judge, carter, saying it is quote more likely than not that trump and john eastman committed federal crimes. i'm wondering, if you are in the doj, how much you take these types of statements, along with the recommendation coming from january 6th committee into consideration as to whether not to afford with

criminal charges? >> these are assessments of the evidence being made by external forces. doj is very independent in this regard. they will make their own assessments. and that is appropriate, because they are the people best suited to know what the admissible evidence child would look like. but, yasmin, let's be really clear about what both of the judges said. judgment to use the world plausibly, judge carter was ruling under its civil standards. i know this is awfully law school 101 sort of stuff, but these burdens of proof, what prosecutors have to prove, that is the critical point here. in civil cases, the burden is much lower. plausible, more likely than not. in a criminal case, you have to convince a unanimous jury that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. that doesn't mean beyond speculation, if anyone who's ever sat on the criminal jury knows that the judge will tell them, it is not any conceivable doubt, it is a reasonable. doubt that is still a very high

burden doj has to. me >> so, here is the kind of 30,000 foot above conversation that we need to have, and will be continuing to have the next coming weeks, and we have had. which is, we are on the precipice piss of an unprecedented moment. former president possibly being charged for inciting an insurrection. what position does that put the department of justice in, joyce? you and merrick garland to look at this thing and you say, you are damned if you do by the way, and damned if you don't. >> you know, inside of doj, we often say you are damned if you do, damned if you don't. so you might as well just go ahead and do the right thing. janet reno, when she was the attorney general, was very popular for employing that standard when difficult decisions were being made. as she often had to, you and it is absolutely the correct approach if you are doj. i have talked a lot about this notion that it is unprecedented to prosecute a former

president. we adhere to that because we don't want to be a banana republic. we don't want to become a country where the criminal justice system is weaponized for political purposes. but, it is also unprecedented because former presidents don't typically commit serious crimes while they are in office. no other president has tried to interfere with the transfer of power. it is the fact that it is so unprecedented that underlines why it is so important to hold trump accountable for his conduct. >> great points, as always, to be expected. joyce vance. thank you. by the way our coverage on the front of january six continuing throughout our show. you don't amiss, it next hour i'm gonna speak with house judiciary cup member mary gay stan lyn. she will join me and whether her gop colleagues should in fact be charged. plus, january six committee witness, arizona house speaker rusty bowers with what he hopes to see in that report, as well. all, right so we have some new developments over these voter i.d. laws. just time, it is in north

carolina. the state supreme court has struck down a law that the court says intentionally discriminated against black voters. in a bill 8 to 4 required every voter to present a photo edgy from a list. and, starting on wednesday, asylum seekers at the southern border will once again be allowed to cross. the d.o.c.'s circuit court denied a request -- covid era rule it's been keeping them out. gary grumbach is in wilmington for us. with this president spending. weekend gary, good to see. you did this ruling come as a surprise, and really, what happens now? i imagine is headed straight to the supreme court. >> yeah, i should know that the president was actually just asked about this topic about an hour ago when he was out shopping in wilmington. he didn't answer any initiative questions but they give the best shot. this is not really come as a surprise because, back in november, a judge in d.c., sabotage in d.c. said no. this title 42 has to go. he calls it arbitrary. he called a capricious. so this is sort of something

that was expected for a period of time and we know that because when title 42 goes away, if it does on wednesday it is going to cause a number of migrants, thousands of migrants to start coming to the border to try to claim asylum. because it does make it easier for migrants to able to do that. so, the biden ministration is doing other things including sending as a surge of border patrol agents hiring them and bring them down to the border. they're also setting up new processing centers across the border to be able to handle the number of migrants that are expected to come in here. but the white house is playing a little bit of defense. and they are calling on congress to do something. i want to read a statement that they send overnight. quote, instead of playing political games, republican officials should provide the funding the president requested for border security and management and pass a comprehensive immigration reform measures he proposed that we can finally have a modernized immigration system that works. yasmin, i think it is important to look realistically at that congressional calendar here. they have got about one more week of work where they have to fund the government for the

next year. and then they go on holiday break in when they come back, it is a very different-looking congress. it is not going to be interested in passing biden style immigration reform. >> yeah, it looks like pretty number one right about now is just making sure that the government doesn't shut down before christmas. gary grumbach, for, us as always we thank you. still ahead, a surprise decision by none other than elon musk. plus, a judge is warning about the colorado club issues accused shooter the game for the deadly. mascara survivor of the attack who testified before congress this week joins to reaction. and, taking aim at the celebrities who endorsed now bankrupt crypto exchange ftx. i'm going to talk to the lawyer who wants him to pay up. be right back. ye who wants him to pay up. be right back. be right back.

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that judge set, the 22-year-old could be planning violence, going as far as to say the suspect needed treatment or quote it's going to be so bat. this is just a latest revelations running the november attack at the lgbtq+ club that killed five people and injured 17 others. this week survivors of the shooting testified before congress. here's what michael henderson, the bartender that night, had to say. >> to the politicians and activists who accused lgbtq people on grooming children being abusers, shame on you. hate speech turns into hate action. and actions based on hate almost took my life from me a 25 years. will >> he joins me now. michael anderson club q shooting survivor. thank you for talking to. us and being able to talk about what's happening there. let me start with how you doing? >> yes, thank you for having me.

i am honestly exhausted this past few days, over, weaker however long it's been in washington d.c., has been a life-changing experience, but an exhausting experience at the same time. >> what is it like for you to hear this new evidence emerging now, this warning given by a judge back in 2021, during a kidnapping case, about the shooter, saying that he needs treatment and that if he does not get treatment could be really really bad, knowing what he did in the lives that he took? >> absolutely. i think this is a case that is a prime example of people slipping through the cracks of maybe loopholes or who knows what. the fact that there was a document and legal concern for what he had done what he may do in the future, is very frustrating because that judge was spot on. it was very bad. somehow, the judge have

incredible foresight to know that that case that he was overseeing was not going to be the last time that he dealt with this sugar. so, i think there is a lot of questions we don't have answers to just yet and how this was allowed to happen and how we even got back to square one here. >> you talk about, obviously the exhausting big week that you had, but the incredibly important one that it was as well. you really, in your testimony, jurist rate line between the rhetoric we're hearing on the right, when it comes to lgbtq plus community summit took place that night at club q. what do you want to see congress do? >> absolutely. i'd like them to work together on this. i think there is one party in congress that continues to send their thoughts and prayers, and that's very touching, but either god is not listening or god does not want to be

involved in this political debate because these incidents continue to happen and just ten years past sandy hook's how -- these things continue to happen. there is one of our major parties continues to not do anything about. and i spoke to them directly on the hill, during my testimony, but a challenge them to bring something to the table. all they do is send their thoughts and send their prayers, and that's not good enough. that's not gonna work. that's not changing anything yet. >> so thoughts and prayers, and also you talked about the issue of guns as well in your testimony this past week. a lot of republican lawmakers, gop lawmakers, came back with this idea of defunding the police, this narrative of defunding the police. there are things to be said when it comes to that. colorado springs says not be funded their police at the

behest of black lives matter activists. nor has it been controlled by democrats. -- argument to say -- democrat run cities that spend more money on policing the republican run cities. and of the 25 largest cities, 20 something creases in their police budgets from fiscal year 2019 to fiscal year 2022. what was your reaction from hearing this report, this retort i should say from republican lawmakers of defunding the police when you brought up this idea of guns? >> absolutely. all they do in regards to what we would like to have, which is a debate on gun reform, all the republican lawmakers do is quote and pull from other political positions they hold, such as defunding the police, which is not relevant at all in this case, as you just pointed out. colorado springs is a republican run city, and i would like to give kudos to the colorado springs police

department, because they were prepared to run and go to war at kids who as soon as they arrive. does not of policing issue in this case. it's not a crime issue in this case. this is an isolated incidents, in colorado springs, not everywhere else in the country but it's happening. i'm frustrated because the republicans pull from these arguments that it is crime to blame, we need to -- immigration, some of this is an immigration problem, and the millions pouring through the border, this is why this is happening. in the testimony itself, representative palmer of kentucky, the ranking member that committee, opens his opening remarks were quite offensive, because he basically said that he hoped that the panel was here to discuss our national crime problem international rising crime rates, and i've never heard something so off base or out of

touch in my entire time in d.c.. it was just quite offensive for us to sit there, knowing why we were there, and for him to ask us to speak on national crime problems, which has nothing to do with. >> welcome to washington at times. michael, let's end on a high note if we can, right? you invited to the white house for the signing of the marriage act, the signing that into law. what was that like for you, to be invited and be there for that moment? >> absolutely. this whole backdrop of the shooting which is almost been a month now, you, know it has been a dark storm clouds hanging over me and everyone in this community, and my friends, but to be at that's signing, which i'm so grateful for, just to be there at the white house for the moment, people talk about finding silver linings, will be there for that signing was a rainbow lining.

it was a brave and loud rainbow lining. i was so grateful to be there. i was also grateful to meet with president biden and doctor jill biden at the white house during the holiday party as well. >> wow. >> i am so grateful for their support. i'm so grateful for their leadership. it sure means a lot to me that we have a president in the house in the white house who supports this community, instead of demonized them, and actually cares about these issues. he's such a decent and kind man. i'm so grateful to be able to get to meet. >> michael anderson, thank you for joining, us speaking with, us and for using your voice. all right, coming up next everybody, the political impact of the upcoming january 6th report on donald trump's run for president. is it possible that even criminal charges are not enough to stop him from getting republican on the nations?

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new developments in the twitter saga. several journalists who were suspended by elon musk have now been reinstated. musk accuse the journalist of -- his relocation in realtime. -- they were not disclosing information about his personal location. instead, simply covering stories about musk and his efforts to ban his account tracking's private jet. -- cats, thanks for joining us on. this must has really claim that he is a quote unquote free speech absolute. even saying he's leaving up the account tracking his jet. before blocking all these journalists. walk us through the last few

days. >> on wednesday, elon musk tweeted something that would later become a justification of a suspension of these accounts. he said earlier this week, his sons trials was in a car driving through l.a., when a stranger follow the, car blocked the car, and even climbed onto the hood of that car. elon drew justification from the count that was tracking his private jet to the person who was allegedly stopping this vehicle. based off of that, he created this rule on twitter, where he said, if you share realtime location of anybody, that counts as doxxing, and that relates to a seven day suspension. so the next night, we saw more than nine journalists, as well as other accounts, including twitter competitor mastered on, being suspended on the plus form. this was an unpopular move. he ran a poll on his personal twitter profile, and when it one to restore those accounts, that is what end up happening.

>> and it every time i wanda in to twitter, i feel like there's a jordan drama unfolding. fda catch-up what happened the last three minutes or so. it seems since elon is taken control of twitter, there has been instituting some of these measures, and then pulling them back as well. i guess the question now is, why the about face? i know we got some criticism from his supporters, some conservative voices as, well bench appearance, they were up an arm over the suspensions. is that what drove him ultimately to reinstate these accounts? >> i think part of the issue was the flawed logic and suspending these accounts in the first place. the rule that elon has created the day before, wouldn't even even apply to the vast majority of the accounts that were affected by the suspensions. i feel that contributed to this -- junior day about-face. -- they're even largest conservative personalities supporting musk's acquisition

of twitter speaking out against this. >> i just keep wondering how long much longer is left for twitter in when it's gonna become obsolete. -- we appreciate. you thank. you by the way tomorrow on the program everybody, we're gonna talk to one of the journalists that were suspended. reaction already coming out about the january six committee actively considering recommending critical little charges against former president donald trump, including insurrection. a conviction on that will ban donald trump from holding federal office ever again. >> i think this is remarkably simple. this is about nobody in america being above the law. i thing anyone who watched the january 6th proceedings, even just one night, whether you were a friend of donald trump, or an enemy of donald trump, we would all have to agree that he broke the law. >> let's bring in alexei mackinnon, -- an msnbc political contributor.

always great to talk to. insurrection has been seeing and is seen as one of the toughest charges to actually went on when it comes to the former president because of what needs to be proven in a court of law, if not charged with insurrectionists, or anything that could stop him? aside from not having the votes, from gaining republican nomination? >> thank you for having me. i'm glad that we are talking about this. there are certain measures that we look to, like the nfts that you mentioned before, which sold, out made millions of dollars very quickly. that suggests he still has a stronghold on his base of supporters. but there is a raft of pulling in the last week of loan that suggests he's actually losing his grip on his gop base. ron desantis has not just been besting him in polls, but trump is also losing favor ability with republican voters. he's down 12 percentage points

is a recent usa today pulled out earlier this week. that is consistent with other pulls we've seen. he relishes being the underdog. that's one thing we should keep in mind, when you talked about how and a campaign that is already started. >> you make such a good point. -- we thought there was gonna be some major campaign announcement, announcing some running, made to reignite some interest. in his plan to run. instead, it was this announcement of enough teeth. and sure, they're selling out, but what does that really mean? does that really translate to the votes he needs to actually clinch the nomination? does that translate that to the him seeing himself back in the white house in 2024? i think that's kind of a stretch. >> it definitely is. one thing wheels that to keep in mind as donald trump loves being relevant. he loves when people are talking about it, whether it's good or bad. being part of the media, hit

the relaunch of his campaign has not gotten nearly as much attention as this past campaigns half. circumstances are different. he doesn't warrant getting the same level of attention. but it's certainly not at the level he's used to. something like this puts him squarely back in the news. we're all talking about. him he's showing to voters, i don't, know a more personal sized to hooey's, trying to be more related, bowl with these different scenarios and these images. but you saw the midterms. all the trump backed candidate and election deniers, -- didn't win. voters squarely rejected those types of candidates. >> and you even at folks like steve bannon speaking out saying anybody who made the decision to relieve the nfts needs to essentially be fired, because they're not taking this run to the white house seriously. if you have folks like -- speaking out like, that something is up, something is wrong. those images, man, wow.

alexei, talk to me about this january six final report. benny thompson said in its final meeting on monday, could reveal some new evidence. anything that could move the needle here? >> well, we know it's going to be multiple chapters. they've gone over hundreds of thousands of documents another piece of evidence, hundreds of interviews and very subpoenas if sentenced, all of that will be captured in this report. the hearings have been incredibly compelling. you saw that in the midterms. democrats themselves say in maintained of those january 6th public hearings, help them with their broader messaging around protecting democracy, and what the republican party under donald trump looks and act like today. certainly, something they're going to try to use to their vantage when it comes to messaging when this report comes out. it's something that will give donald trump's political rivals enough fodder to last through the 2024 election cycle alone.

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brad from the states. a guy who has had a lot of jobs, some with emergency medical training. most recently, he was a u.p.s. truck driver in maine. now, he is driving routes few would dare to take. >> under bombardment at times's and alone. >> i am sort of the last mile guy in a lot of different places. >> roughly speaking, do you have a sense of how many evacuations you have done since you have been here? >> dozens and dozens. surely, more than 100, i am bad accounting. >> all of these videos are brad's. [inaudible] probably went up and over that thing. >> snapshots of humanitarian fuel back home could imagine.

>> i'm getting a call about a wounded person next door to an evacuation that happened recently. >> this was brad thanksgiving. >> hello, hello? . at nightfall, a call came from eastern bakhmut, he was about to begin at one of his most daring rescues. >> hello? >> 69-year-old tatiana was desperately trying to save her husband valentin, who was injured in an explosion. >> she tried to stop the bleeding with turner gets and kitchen rags. >> we have to go, we need a doctor now. >> brad tried to bring him on his back but could not do it alone. so he pulled him down every step to the temporary safety of his toyota land cruiser.

[speaking non-english] finally, after a harrowing drive, they made it to a hospital. there was little time to spare. today, tatyana is in western ukraine, the memories of that night still haunt her except for one. >> suddenly, out of nowhere a voice on the street. hey, hey, hey. i yell. >> her husband of 48 years is alive. she says it is only because of brad. [speaking non-english] >> he is an unreal human, unreal. he is just an angel, i am serious. it is impossible for a person. it is impossible for an ordinary person. i just thought that an angel had come. >> brad is still in eastern ukraine. >> they do expect to be here as long as you have been?

>> no, no i did not. now i thought i probably would have been backed by now. >> and he says he is not going anywhere. >> there are a lot of people who come in and go back out. >> yes i feel on the hook. i keep looking at the, need i keep looking at the grief. i keep looking at the freezing cold and the animals and the medical injuries and on and on and on. >> as recent first thing is simple. keeping the operation going it's not. he runs off of donations and i believe encapsulated in the words of ukrainian poet, ilya kaminsky. >> and when they bombed other peoples houses, we protested but not enough. we have posed them but not enough. and that country of money, our great country of money, we forgive us live happily during the war. . >> those words he says our call

to action. each delivery, each rescue, each protest against russia's war. >> my, god the images and the stories of war. thank you to alison barber for that stunning story. coming up in our next hour everybody, the final january six report is out next week. what isn't it and what it means for donald trump. plus this hour, celebrities made millions endorsing the now bankrupt crypto currency exchange ftx. i will talk to a florida lawyer who wants them to pay up. o pay up ftx, a safe and easy way to get into crypto. >> oh, i don't think so. and i am never wrong about the stuff, never. stuff, never

♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ all right, welcome back. so sam bankman-fried, the man behind the collapse of the now defined cryptocurrency company ftx, currently being held without bail in the bahamas awaiting a february extradition hearing on charges including fraud, and money laundering. one of florida attorney is now taking aim at tom brady, steph curry, larry david and other celebrities as well who endorsed ftx. >> a trade? are you sure? -- >> not a trade trade, a trade in crypto. ftx is a safe and easy way to buy and sell crypto. best way to get in the game.

>> i am not an expert, i don't need to be. with ftx, i have everything that i need to buy, sell and trade crypto safely. >> maybe you should have been. attorney adam muskets joins me now. it is tough to even look at those ads now knowing what is all taken place right? i am not an expert, i don't need to be. well i guess that you should be but it seems like even the experts have the will pulled over their eyes. talk to me adam if you will about the strategy right? any type of restitution is pretty slim when it comes to customers that used ftx. and that is why you are not saying okay, let us go after the folks and celebrities that endorsed it publicly and probably got millions of people to sign up. what is this strategy? >> well the strategy is to go after them in the first place. it is not that you are right yasmin, the investors are probably not going to see one penny out of the bank from ftx. that money is gone. i think it's a pretty slam dunk

case against the celebrities, it's not that they are commercial spokespeople. they are promoting and unregistered security. that is, it there are state laws and federal laws that were set of early in the 19 twenties, if you promote unregistered security, you are liable. and in fact, the scc wrote the celebrities in 2017 and said if we declare that these interest accounts are securities, you may be liable under the law. >> so here's what i'm wondering right now. when you take a look at the celebrities? right we saw an image of celebrities that endorsed ftx, like steph, great larry david, tom brady, giselle bundchen to name a few. did they just endorse ftx or actually invest as well? >> well first of all, they did not endorse, they promoted the product. that is a term under the law. so there is no dispute, nothing here is contradicted.

they promoted ftx, they never announced and their commercial that they were making millions of dollars in paid fees as a result. under the law, for promoting an unregistered security, you are strictly liable. does not matter people saw their commercial, there is no caveat -- >> but adam, where they customers of ftx as well? so they were paid for, they were paid by ftx right to promote? it where they customers as, well that they lose as well? >> well they lost because they were given like kevin from shark tank said i was given a 50 million ftx talk and i lost all of the stop. he was given it as payment to promote this unregistered security. it is holiday invested in themselves, i don't think any of them put a penny of their money in it. we are waiting to see how much tom brady was given but he was given a lot more than kevin o'leary and they will all have to pay this money back. >> let me ask you this, who

tells these people right? who had buys aziz and vigils, i don't know if you know the answer to this that this is a good company to promote right? that's someone you should get on board with. a smart place to be. and should those people be held liable as well? >> i would think that all of these billionaires have their handlers who handled their financial affairs, the legal affairs. we are dealing now with tom brady and with mark cuban. they hold up layers and layers of people who tell them what to do. so somebody was sleeping at the wheel because the scc in 2017, said if we find these are unregistered, you are going to be liable. so maybe they have a case themselves against those advisors, sure. it will be paying our victims that we have that lost about 5 to 10 billion dollars. we will collect that money from these celebrities. >> that's a lot of money, adam lost to us. thank, you appreciate it. coming up everybody, a wave and final january six. report house --

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