poof, just like that. he didn't want the solid though, nothing to do with the solid. >> he loves what he loves. he took the nuggets he took the french fries, but he left the greens. that wraps it up for me. i will be back here tomorrow at two came eastern, simone starts right now. eastern, simone start right now. >> greetings, you are watching simone. the january 6th committee is preparing to release its final report in just a few days. and they are meeting this weekend to discuss criminal referrals. they are considering three charges against the former president, donald trump, including insurrection. we are digging into what it all means, with congress members barbara lee and -- while the january six committee is debating criminal charges against them, donald trump promised a major announcement this weekend that announcement ended up being another money grab. many laughed of these nft

trading cards but they sold out in a day. our political panel weighs in on this. plus, my conversation with -- he is doing the work to address the housing crisis in america and his latest efforts to develop affordable housing and create lasting and generational wealth for underserved communities, this will be discussed. i am simone sanders, and i have got something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the january 6th select committee has worked for more than a year to investigate the attack on the capitol and next week we will know what is in their final report. they had nine public hearings, interviewed 1000 witnesses, and gathered countless documents. all in an effort to get to the bottom of how we landed here. the mob of trump supporters trying to pull off a coup that

lawmakers lives are put in jeopardy, and in hopes, all their hopes of preventing it from happening again. that is what this committee's work is doing. here is what is going to happen, the january 6th panel is set to conclude his business and a public meeting on monday afternoon. they will vote on their report, and on whether to make criminal referrals that could target allies, the former president donald trump, and even trump himself. nbc news reports while a final decision on referrals has not been made yet, the committee is considering three charges. here they are. insurrection, obstructing at the official proceedings of congress, and conspiracy. these potential referrals would not be a mandate for the justice department to charge donald trump with a crime. it would not be a mandate. it is important to say that. because congress does not have that power. now, critics in the republican party say that the committees efforts are political. but the january 6th committee is making it plain. the public needs to know what really happened. and there must be

accountability for the attack on our democracy, because that threat is still very real and it is ongoing. joining now to discuss is democratic congresswoman barbara lee of california. welcome to you, congresswoman. let's start with the january 6th committee. based on everything that you have seen from the nine hearings thus far would you vote in favor of a criminal referral against former president trump? >> simone, i am very happy to be with you and let me just say that i am convinced that the committee is going to make the correct referral. i am the lead plaintiff in the naacp case against donald trump and the proud boys, and other people who attempted to overthrow our government. and in fact, we had a hearing a couple of weeks ago. we are using every tool that we have at our disposal to make sure that donald trump and his gang, those who attempted to

topple our democracy and to kill people who, you know, people died as a result of that, we have to hold them accountable. our naacp lawsuit, we were saying very clearly that there is no immunity. you cannot claim immunity. so i am confident that the january 6th committee is going to move forward based on the facts and based on what they know. i'm not on the committee but i certainly know a lot of the details, i was sitting on the floor january 6th and had to evacuate. it was a very harrowing experience. so they are going to do the right thing, and we are going to move forward with our losses. >> now that the committee is wrapping up and the report is said to be released, i am wondering what is a conversation on capitol hill, particularly amongst the members? >> well, the conversation is, we have to hold donald trump, and all of those who formulated this violent attempt to overthrow our government and

try to work a peaceful transfer of power accountable. no one is above the law. so as democrats, this was a bipartisan, it is a bipartisan committee, but everyone knows, we saw, it we witnessed, and the public saw what took place. so it has been extremely important. and the hearings led by chairman bennie thompson have been very clear in terms of being factual, the interview, and witnesses. so i can't understand how anyone can say that this was political when in fact before the world's eyes we saw these insurrectionists attempting to destroy our democracy. >> we literally saw it unfold on national television, agreed. so congresswoman, this is something we will absolutely be watching and i will be in touch with you because i am always interested in your thoughts, particularly as that report comes out this week. i want to move to president biden's recent address this week at the u.s. africa leader summit.

the president announced significant support for african nations. i want to play what he had to say for our audience right now. >> africa belongs to the table in every room, in every room. where global challenges are being discussed, we have planned to commit 55 billion dollars in africa. to invest in africa's people, africa's infrastructure, africa's agriculture, africa's health system, africa's security, and more. >> the president also noted that he would visit some places in africa next year. the first president to do so was about ten years ago. can you just lay out for our viewers why the united states interest to strengthen ties with african nations is so important, especially relations to china and russia who have really been investing heavily in the continent? >> certainly, simone. i was very pleased that the

president made this announcement. you know, donald trump, of course, really severed our ties with the continent. he was calling disparaging names, and i share the subcommittee that funds a large portion of this 50 billion. let me just mention this in the context of an african american lends. we have an african american who is our great yuan ambassador, and we have the chair of foreign affairs committee, and the chair of the homeland security committee, bennie thompson, myself, i share the appropriation committee that funds all of these efforts. so we have got a lot of makeup to do. we have to repair the damage. so the president made this announcement, but you know, members of the black caucus and many others have been working on increasing investments for many years, since i have been sharing this i have increased the investments, not enough, but on the continent of africa and indie care -- this was a major development

but i am also glad that he spoke about the original sin, america, in terms of slavery which really gives us a clear message in terms of why we must move forward to repair the damage and reparations, so african americans, we have been working many, many years to connect african americans with the issues on the african continent so that there is a constituency for africa, i think that is happening and it is very exciting. >> exciting indeed. congresswoman, thank you very much for your time, we appreciate it. i want to bring in congresswoman jones of new york. thank you for being here with me today. let's start with the january 6th committee. you are a member of congress but you are also an attorney. so from your perspective, do you think that the committee has done the work needed to prove that donald trump, or his allies are guilty of the charges that they reportedly are considering. insurrection, conspiracy, and obstructing a official proceeding of congress?

>> you, know this is one of those interesting situations where the crime literally played out before our very eyes. and so while we do have a judicial system that requires that these crime must be proven in a court of law as a witness to the event, as someone who was on the house floor along with barbara lee because we are both members of house leadership and we are watching this all go down in realtime i can tell you that these crimes actually took place. i think that the january 6th committee has been enormously effective in a bipartisan way about interviewing, as you mentioned, thousands of witnesses and revealing for the american people everything that wind down, to the point where even the justice department i think is taking some cues and is using information uncovered by the january 6th committee, which is not something that you would typically see. you would typically see the reverse, that the justice department would have certain information that we would sort of lean on as members of the public. >> look, i think that, it is no

secret, i think that donald trump is a danger to democracy, and i was literally at the democratic national committee on january six with the then vice president elect kamala harris. so i think that he has committed crimes. as we mentioned, the mar-a-lago documents. and if anybody else, if it were anyone else, just for the documents he would be on jail already. that being said, the justice department may not charge donald trump. we don't know what is going to happen. so why, in your words, is the january 6th committee report important, even the charges of the former president? >> i appreciate this point because i think a lot of folks maybe putting too much stalk in this. we know that it is largely of symbolic importance. ultimately, the justice department can completely ignore the referrals for the january 6th committee. but it is still important because we know that the committee has credibility, it has done great work in the minds of the public, it has got great numbers on it, the staff should be commended as well for the important work that they are going to do as it will be

laid out in this report later this week. and i think that it is important for congress, as an independent branch of government of which i am a member to really do its job in educating the public about its own findings on this matter. so i think that history will record what happened here. i think it is so obvious these crimes were committed because it is so obvious that these crimes were committed that it will be on the justice department to decide what it once is legacy to be. but the january 6th committee coming to this conclusion is really enough for all intensive purposes in terms of establishing in public opinion -- >> what will the legacy of the justice department be? i guess we will wait and see. before i let you go, you are responsible for getting the marriage act passed. you are leaving congress in january, you are a fatality of redistricting. what is next for you? >> i am really excited to continue doing the work that i have started. the thing that matters most to me is making sure that we still have a multi racial democracy

in this country. i have been doing that in terms of the voting rights and other democracy reform legislation that i have been pushing in congress, and frankly being a thought leader on the supreme court in particular where even members of my party have not shown enough leadership on that subject. so i hope to continue to work outside of congress, on these issues, i am being appointed to the u.s. commission on civil rights. i'm really excited about that. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> i'm sure that's not the last we will see of you, sir. there's still a lot of work that you have to do so i'm sure that -- thank you so much. congressman, i appreciate your time. coming up, donald trump, we talked a lot about him in terms of january 6th but he teased the so-called major announcement this week. also we are days before the january 6th committee's final meeting. and then there is twitter, my political panel are going to join me to discuss all of it. but first, our best he is back, my colleague richard louis with today's other top news stories.

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committee molds criminal referrals against former president donald trump, he is working to keep his rift alive. after teasing a major announcement, trump released a series of and of t trading cards, featuring him in a broad range of situations and outfits. it was kind of like barbie but very, very strange. people scoffed at the idea of hawking digital cards for $99 a pop, but here is the thing, the cars sold out in just one day. joining me now to discuss, the january 6th committee, the trump and 80s and more is my political panel. camila dechalus is a congressional reporter for the washington post, adrienne elrod is a democratic strategist, and former senior aide to the biden campaign, and msnbc political analysts brendan buck is here, he is the former chief communications adviser for

former house speaker paul ryan. welcome, welcome, welcome. i will start with you, i want to start with january 6th. what are your sources telling you, what are you hearing on the hill about what we can expect from the committee's final report this week. >> this is going to be the last executive meeting that they are going to hold for the public to really lay out all of its findings. we know that they have interviewed thousands of people just to really do this investigation, but there may reveal information and findings that we are not publicly available before. so this is really highly anticipated because this is going to be the conclusion of all of their work that they have done in the past few months. and really going to set the stage of saying why they are going to potentially have handout issue criminal referrals against the former president. so this is really going to be their moment to really tell the public about the investigative work that they have done, and the conclusions that they have

made from their investigation. >> i do think that a lot of the discussions about the committee's work have centered around donald trump and his criminal referrals. but adrian, what is your take on the committee's broader work and the impact it will have going forward because from my perspective it is not just about whether or not this was also charging the former president. >> yeah simone, i think the bigger picture here in the broader impact that it is going to have its own history. it is very important that this committee not only get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th but also make sure that something like this does not happen again. and that we understand fully and what happened on that day, who is responsible, because that will prevent something like what happened on january 6th from happening again. i think that is a broader impact and i think that it does have a lot of damage to donald trump and his reputation, we are seeing him sinking in the polls. the maga movement seems to be breaking up a little bit, perhaps they are trying to find a new maga leader. but it is not just january 6th

that is damaging, it is a whole host of other legal issues that he has gotten himself into. but i think that it is very important what they are doing. i'm looking forward to see what they present on monday and i think that it sounds like they are going to encourage the department of justice to take action, and i think that is what we have all been waiting for. >> let's talk about my least favorite subject, donald trump, some of his supporters were a little dismayed at the major announcement, there are people all across the board who even mocked him, but as i noted, these nft trading cards, they sold out in a day. brendan, that actually, i frankly think that the trading cards are giving a little bit too much play. but what a republican saying? because it strikes me that donald trump, he announced a campaign, he has not campaigned, he has held no campaign events but he found time to develop another fundraising scheme. what is the conversation inside the republican party apparatus right now? >> yeah, used to be when trump

would do something bizarre like this, you know, it created outrage or at least interest and this just feels kind of sad. it is a little pathetic, and it is also very curious because as you said, this is a person who's supposed is running for president but has not done a lot to demonstrate that. this was not actually tied to his campaign. this wasn't raising money for him to run for president, it is not really clear where this money is going. so i think that it is a little bit bizarre and i think that it is too much for some of his own supporters. you have someone like steve bannon, really upset about this because he thought that it embarrassed the former president. so you know, i mostly i'm confused by it because his numbers are slipping, ron desantis is clearly the front runner for the gop nomination in 2024 and donald trump cannot seem to find any interest in campaigning or doing anything particularly constructed other than embarrassing himself. of people about, him it's not surprising, there's a lot of people who still like donald trump if you run if you are

every day because of stuff like this. >> they like him and they're willing to give him their money. i frankly think that this is just yet another grift. but people are buying, it this also gives new vibes of something that the january six committee was very critical about. him raising money for this legal defense fund that never materialized. the values of the cars have surged. adrian, i am feeling like, it sounds like trump university to meet. why do you think that so many of the former presidents supporters still see him as a savvy businessman? because it is a lawyer that has yet to wear off. >> that is a great question to me. i think 35 to 40% of the gop base is still with donald trump. so you know, you and i have learned, we were both involved in the 2016 campaign, and involved in the 2020 campaign. we have learned never to underestimate donald trump. brendan is exactly right, ron desantis is leading the polls right now, but that could change. perhaps donald trump decides to

do more campaign events. he might be able to still coalesce the maga base around him. so he clearly has demonstrated that he has enough supporters out there who are going to drop collectively $4 million to buy these enough the cards who are still going to give him money whenever he opens up some sort of account it seems like he raises money pretty quickly whether it is a botched legal defense fund or the actual campaign itself. so i don't think that we can underestimate him. it does feel like he's slipping. he still has a loyal base but the question is how long do they stick with him? is someone like desantis able to really fracture that base even more so than he already has and can system take on the lead and the nomination fight? we will see. >> we don't know. go ahead, i think that ron desantis is very untested. but jump in here. i want to find time to get to elon musk, but go ahead. >> even trump's latest business venture comes to a very interesting time. just a few days ago, the nft in

cryptocurrency world, he was just arrested. the whole industry of cryptocurrency is under really high situations right now. you have lawmakers who just held a hearing about this and when i asked them, what is the future of cryptocurrency in that industry, they said that his arrest just made clear that there needs to be more regulation in the industry. the fact that trump is getting into something that is really right now crypto, in that field, there's a lot of tumultuous-ness going on right now. so this is, just the timing is so interesting. >> it's interesting, is strained, i still don't know what an nft is. where can i get it? it has been explained, many many times. okay, let's talk about elon musk because twitter, okay, under the guise of elon musk, the band were suspended at least nine high-profile journalists from the platform. many of these folks have been covering musk, and his acquisition of the social media giant. and elon musk accused them of doxxing him, though i don't

think that that is anything there to that, if you will. it is important to note that elon musk has since reinstated many of the accounts, camille, i'm going to and with you on this. what effect is this having on the perception of twitter as a public square, rather than just being holding on to elon musk? i guess the point here is that twitter is a private company that people view as a public forum. but it is a private company. >> yes. there is a lot of questions circulating around this. when the news broke that several journalists from various outlets were being suspended. a lot of questions arising about free speech, and these are journalists who have been covering elon musk in his business ventures. so when we saw these actions being taken there was a lot of questions about why, what was the reason behind this? some journalist spoke out saying that you were not given a reason as to why their accounts were suspended.

because it was just merely reporting about him. and you know, he came out saying, about doxxing and giving his explanation. but it just raises more questions about the use of twitter and the effectiveness that journalists could really be informing the public when their accounts are being suspended at will. >> well, the reality is, twitter is a private company, folks, and maybe we need to start thinking about it like that. adrian elrod, brendan buck, camilla to tell us, thank you all very, very much. now, after the break we are going to take a closer look at the potential criminal referrals against an old trump that are under consideration by the january 6th committee. we are going to talk about the very rare charge of insurrection, because i have got questions, we are going to break it all down with my legal panel, that is next. >> -- - future of lincoln. ♪♪ what's also nice... the prequel is pretty-sweet, too. ♪♪ [sfx: stomach gurgling]

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and a half of investigating one of the most heinous events in the history of our democracy. i am talking about the attack on our capitol, on january 6th. now the january 6th select committee will soon wrap up its work, and they are going to tell us their conclusions. numbers are working through the weekend, debating criminal referrals and making putin on if they are going to make any of these for former president donald trump. again, no decisions have been made yet. but nbc has learned the committee is actively considering recommending charges of insurrection, of obstruction of an official proceeding of congress, and

conspiracy. if it happens, it would be the first time congress has ever made criminal referrals against a former u.s. president. let's bring in some people who help us sort all of this out. msnbc contributor katie benner, and msnbc legal analyst paul butler is a professor at georgetown, school of law, and a former federal prosecutor. okay, thank you both for being here today. i was particularly struck by the insurrection potential criminal referral, because it is the most serious of the criminal recommendations that are being considered by the committee. the charge includes violence against the government, and under federal law, it is my understanding that it carries a possible sentence of up to ten years in prison, and a banned from ever holding office. paul, discharges rarely used. so one, how hard is it to prove in court, and two, do you think that this is something that the justice department is already considering? >> they have to be, simone.

insurrectionists, based on the evidence that trump sicked the mob which he knew was armed when congress would disrupt the vote, prosecutors would have to prove that trump give aid or comfort to the rioters. evidence would be his words. like, if you don't fight like hell you are not going to have a country. these are difficult cases for prosecutors because defendants always claim that they are being prosecuted for their speech. but prosecutors have to prove that his words were intended to cause violence, and likely to cause violence. simone, you will certainly remember that trump was impeached for incitement in 57 senators voted to convict him. >> yes, notable, twice impeached president, actually. never convicted, though. benny thompson who is the committee chair of the january 6th committee, he has been hinting that monday's hearing

may include evidence that has not yet been made public. katie, what are you hearing from your sources about this, and frankly, how the justice department is viewing monday's hearing? >> sure. for the committee, you certainly want monday to be more than the procedural hearing. they want something to be added. they want to do something like they have done with all of their hearings. they want to put evidence into the public that will make a splash and be remembered. they also on something historic which would be to send criminal referrals over to the justice department. and for the justice department they will be watching this closely as they do every hearing in the january 6th committee. they are going to want to see what the committee says they are going to want to show the evidence to the public, they are having a lot of evidence to get from the committee and do their own investigations so they're going to be taking this pretty seriously. keep in mind, the justice department's investigation has to do something that the committee did not have to do, which is look at this goal pretoria buttons. when you look at all of the evidence, including when a testimony, and documents that could actually be used by donald trump's defense lawyers

to actually stress test the strength of the case, which is something that the committee does not need to do. so, all the justice department will be watching closely, they still have their own case to run, and they are being held to a higher standard. >> this is just, i think one of the most important points, because we know what the committee has. we know what they found, we know what their conclusions will be, because they have made it public. but we do not know everything that the justice department knows. and we also know that the justice department does not need criminal referrals from the committee. so given all of that, everything that katie's reporting, where do you think the justice department stands currently in its investigation into the former president, particularly on the january 6th front? >> simone, when i was a prosecutor at the department of justice, we got referrals all the time. but never anything like this. with all of the evidence that the house has compiled against trump, the house staffers who

worked on the report included former prosecutors, and fbi agents, so think of the referral as a rolled map with receipts. the receipts include millions of texts and emails, 1000 transcripts of 1000 witnesses being interviewed. people like rudy giuliani, pat cipollone, secret service agents. so you best believe that jack smith, the special counsel, and other loyalists that are at doj are studying, or will study the report as soon as they get it this wednesday. and then make their decision. i still think that mar-a-lago is the more prosecutable case. but i think that this report is going to make a strong additional case for january 6th. the violence of the insurrection, and the insult to our democracy. >> you know, all the federal prosecutors, former federal prosecutors and i know are saying the mar-a-lago cases probably the strongest. we will have to wait and see.

katie, paul, thank you both very, very much for your time, and for making it planned. i appreciate you. next, we are going to get into a milestone moment for a marriage equality. i am going to talk about how it is being used against members of the lgbtq+ community. a drag artist and political activists will join me about the disturbing death threats they received right after this break. break. ♪ ♪ (dog barks) ♪ silverado zr2, trail boss, and custom trail boss. because adventure is everywhere.

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in the bill. that is because currently, 32 states ban same sex marriage in their constitution, state law or both. that is why it is important. let's bring in marti gould cummings, a drag artist. and a political activist. marty was at the white house when the president signed the respect for marriage act. thank you for being here today, i am so excited to speak with you. i want to speak with a bit of a reality check if we can. you were invited to the white house to witness the signing of this historic bill, and after that signing you were targeted on social media. tell us how that day went from celebratory to scary for you. >> first of all, like you said, this is historic legislation to help protect lgbtq families and interracial families. but it is just one step in the road, like the president said. we have to pass the equality act, we have to ensure that we

are fully caught-ifying marriage rights because oftentimes couples, if they are traveling, or if they are not able to get married in their state even though it is being recognized under this legislation, a lot of couples can't afford to travel to another state to get married. like you said, after the invitation there was an onslaught of hate that came up. this is something that we are seeing happening on the rise in this country. meta and twitter are not doing anything to help combat this. we have seen a 1200 percent increase in the word groomer, the slur groomer on twitter. i am grateful to have the support and guidance of glaad, and the great organization working on these issues. but that online rhetoric is dangerous, just the other day the house committee held a hearing on how online hate against lgbtq people is transferring to real life. we sought in colorado, in 47 states we have seen 150 different attacks and protests that drag shows. what just happened today in new

york city in chelsea a couple of hours ago where protesters showed up to a line break. so the online rhetoric is now coming into the real world -- >> the online rhetoric has always, it has always been connected to what is happening in the real world, and i think that that point is so important, and the committee that you talked about, the hearing that was held, the position of the bill signing, and then the the day after the house committee on oversight and reform highlighting the rise in violence and threats against the lgbtq+ community, it was just a lot. it was a lot. as a december 12th of this year, there were 141 incidents of lgbtq+ protests and threats targeting specific drag events. just in the united states, you noted that there was one in chelsea today. what effect has this had on you and your fellow drag artists? >> well, i think that we have to look at what happened in

colorado springs, a community that is still reeling. i hope people go to their gofundme page and help them. but it is a real danger. i think a lot of performers and people who go out are scared because of this. and also, when you have a drag story hour, which is a positive event, a positive way to teach kids the value of acceptance, and love, and education, but they are twisting it using old talking points saying drag artists are groomers, and pedophiles, which is not true, we have never seen it get harmed on a drag story our. the real harm comes when grown adults show up with guns outside screaming as families walk in. this rhetoric is dangerous, and the pendants we're talking about it on networks like fox, the politicians like lauren boebert, and marjorie taylor greene who are forcing this negative agenda, it is leading their followers to act out in violent ways. where it's like groomer against

queer people, those are tropes from the past. we have let that go. 71% of americans support marriage equality, 21% of jim z identifies as lgbtq i a+. the reality is, this reality is as they see peoples rights being recognized, they are running with fear. the gop, the right-wing, they don't have a platform so their platform is to elevate hate. >> marty, i like to say that the culture wars are never a distraction for some of my republican friends. they have been the playbook for the republican party apparatus. i'm very happy that you named the names and called the folks out, because is hate no longer hate when it is codified in legislation? when people are elected officials? i appreciate your voice, and your time. marti gould cummings, thank you very, very much. >> thank you so much. >> when we come back you may think that the housing crisis is bad, but do you know that the gap between black and white homeownership is wider than it was six decades ago?

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pastor, and he is creating more access to homeownership for minority communities. i talk to him about why it was important to him to expand his work into the real estate industry, and particularly the housing. take a listen to what he had to say. >> the reason that i thought it was important to me, i grew up in a home where it was important to my parents to own real estate. they did it by buying houses. what i am looking at is creating neighborhoods. so i want to take it to the next dimension. the question became, how do i leverage the relationships that i have, not just in the church, but in the business world, and in the real estate world to create a more equitable society? >> my your first real estate development you launched in 2007 and that is with capela park in dallas that you just discussed. you said atlanta is the next location. why did you choose atlanta as, you know, this next location

for your blueprint for growth. >> every major city of this country is facing this dilemma. we have a housing shortage that is absolutely staggering. i listened to the statue offered up from 2022, i would wager that these stats now are even worse after covid. there are a lot of people who took grace losses, lost businesses, lost jobs, and lost homes. that is ever widening and we need to do something intentionally to close that gap, because the beginning of the ownership of real estate is the aggregation of wealth and deterrence, whether you send your kid to a good school, or whether you can have a legacy to pass on to your children. , so whether you are investing in it, as opposed to depreciating asset. so our whole culture needs to shift to understand it is something to look for and it is another thing to be well off. and as long as you are buying depreciating asset, you look better than you are, and i am

trying to -- so that we can have a more equitable society. >> you are now about to start preaching up in here today, yes! this, we talked a little bit about the mixed income initiative but i think about my own neighborhood where i grew up and where i live now. the neighborhood where i grew up, a lot of homes, but maybe one corner store, five blocks down, not a grocery store, you have got to get up in the car, i grew up in north omaha, nebraska, where i live now i have got a cvs across the street, a number of restaurants next to my building, a grocery store a block down the road. talk about why this is important as a strategy to address not just poverty but these racial disparities, and other challenges that are facing the black community. >> thank you for such a great question. that is why i am focusing on neighborhoods and not individual houses, because our problems center around the fact that we don't have access, we have food deserts. we have payday loan service, liquor stores, strip clubs, but no food. no walking trails, no bicycle

trails, no access to immediate health in times of emergencies. all of that is a part of our plan and strategy and building out a community that begins to respect its him habitants, and we have been working with the community to make sure that we understand what they wanted because i know the tragedy of having the people built things for you without you. so we have been inclusive, we have been comprehensive, we have been diverse, and we have been committed. and we are going to get there, and just putting it done tonight. we can't do it alone, we are hoping to stimulate a line between other black influencers to take control of our destiny, and stop waiting on somebody to come and save us. batman's incoming, superman isn't coming, we are going to have to be the people that bring about the change that we

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