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politicsnation. tonight slated, the last word. three thousands involved in the deliberation of the january 6th committee tell nbc news the panel is holding meeting to decide whether the issue of criminal referrals for former

president trump and others have moves towards putting out a final report on its findings as soon as early next week. it would be a dramatic conclusion to an investigation that has given the public a detailed look at just how far of figures inside and outside of government where willing to go to overturn the results of a free and fair election. and could potentially lead to a series of difficult decisions for attorney general merrick garland on the eve of another presidential election cycle. also this week, the department of justice to landmark action to and one of the most racist tactics of the war on drugs, and in decades of harsher sentencing guidelines for crack compared to powdered cocaine. and my capacity as head of the national action network,

against this policy has devastated black and brown communities. texas congressman has joined me in the struggle, and i will be speaking with him later in the program. but first i'm joined by congresswoman debbie schultz, democrat of florida. a member of oversight committee. congresswoman, thank you for joining us, and let's start with those, we will start with those possible criminal referrals of donald trump to the department of justice will no formal decisions have been made nbc has learned that the charges they are considering include conspiracy, obstruction of an official proceeding, and inciting an insurrection. multiple sources stress to nbc news that all three options are on the table but none are set in stone just yet.

sources also tell nbc news or the committee is expected to meet at least twice over the weekend before making this decision. the committee is set to both monday on its final report, and any potential referrals. what is your response to what feels like a potential political earthquake, congresswoman? >> well, the january 6th select committee has done a very thorough painstaking job over the last 17 months. really diving deeply into the origins, the planning, and the execution, and the complete obstruction that the president engaged in over the course of january 6th. i'm quite certain that the evidence that has developed and come out is really pointing

towards the necessity for a criminal referral. at that point it will be up to the department of justice to determine whether they will prosecute. but you cannot reside over a government, and support an insurrection, support an insurrection and the overthrow of that government and expect to continue to be able to lead it in the future, and you certainly cannot expect to be held accountable. that is what the select committee is doing. >> he directed the crowd personally into the capitol building telling him that he would join them there, according to reports he tried to join them there and was stopped by the secret service. the house oversight reform committee held what i understand to be an unprecedented hearing this week, directly from the lgbtq community about the surging threats that that community has faced. both and physical attacks, and

legislative violence from republican politicians who have introduced hundreds of bills to restrict, or even criminalize the expression of queer identities. as a member of house oversight, what did you learn from this week's hearing and as a democrat watching this incoming gop majority in the house, are you worried about some of these same republican lawmakers sponsoring even more anti lgbtq legislation? >> i am deeply concerned about what is coming from the house majority in the next congress because they certainly have shown a propensity towards hatred of the lgbtq+ community, and have definitely indicated in the past, and that they will continue to persecute lgbtq individuals in this country. they also held a hearing this week on the explosion of white supremacy and extremism, and

really everything points to social media companies, really being the accelerant of the ability of white supremacists and extremists, racists, begets, antisemites, to be able to connect and then spread their hate and commit acts of violence. just in the last few months, we have had acts of violence and anti-semitic and racist attacks sprayed all over my hometown. and towns across, and cities across the country, and acts of violence. the social media companies have to be held accountable. they need to be examined, and if they aren't willing to police themselves, then i think that congress needs to repeal section 230 which gives some immunity from lawsuits that they have had for far too long. >> this week, the nation marked ten years since nearly 30 people, most of them school aged children, were gunned down

at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut. i remember that, how vivid it was, because this was only in the second year, and we were live that night, just as the reports were coming in. if you days later, i was in newtown as president of the network, now the connecticut leadership. and in the ten years that have passed since then, your home state of florida has been doing two of the worst mass shootings in recent history. the massacres at the nightclub in orlando in 2016, and the apartment in 2018. what i'd be mistaken to assume that both of those strategies, along with sandy hook, we're on your mind this week as we saw the end of her city anniversary of this tragedy? >> sandy hook was one of those

tragedies, where you remember where you were when you heard about the devastating, murders, finally we passed an act that made progress against president biden and democrats keeping guns less likely to be in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. but all three of those shootings, and many of the others have the same common denominator. that is that they were committed with an assault weapon. and we absolutely have to make sure that we continue to press for a ban on assault weapons, and that we continue to press whether it is state by state, like my friends organization does, or continuing to press in congress to make sure that we continue to close the gaps that allow people who want to do others harm with firearms the ability to be able to murder indiscriminately. it is unacceptable and it has

to stop. congress has a responsibility to do something about it. >> congresswoman, before we went out of time, you talked a lot about your experience as a cancer survivor. i know that you have recently sponsored a bill, along with four of your colleagues in the house and senate to address gaps, and cure for cancer survivors and their families. what does the comprehensive cancer survivor ship act due to narrow those gaps? >> briefly what the bill does is that it is comprehensive legislation that helps people, once they complete their treatment from being thrown into the wild west of what do they do next after they have completed their treatment and surgeries, how are we going to make sure that there is equitable access in communities of color, and communities that have less access to information and resources to ensure that you can continue to remain a survivor, and that you have

access to the kinds of follow-up care that travels with you throughout the rest of your life across that continuum of care. there are so many gaps that people slip through no, there are secondary cancers that people end up with that they might have avoided if it was a comprehensive approach and equitable access to health care. that is where the comprehensive cancer survivor ship act will do. >> all right, thank you, congresswoman. joining me now is congressman mark veasey, who represents texas 33rd district. thank you for joining me today, congressman. >> good to be with you today. >> congressman, i want to start with the news coming out of your district that a former fort worth texas police officer was found guilty of manslaughter on thursday for shooting of 28 year old tatiana jefferson, and in her home back in 2019, the white police

officer faces up to 20 years in prison for the conviction. jefferson was a black woman and as you know, we were very close in the beginning of that case. first of all, what is your response to the verdict? >> well, i am relieved, because a lot of us did not think that it was going to go there. because time after time, we have seen police officers killed by people in this country without being held responsible. and so a lot of us were concerned that there was not going to be a conviction, and that this man was going to walk free. but fortunately, he was convicted, and he, i believe, will spend time behind bars. he certainly should spend time behind bars, because he was inside of her home, she was protecting herself and her young nephew and they were playing video games. that should not have ever, ever had happened, had it been in any other neighborhood he would

have walked and knocked on the door. but instead he was on the south side of fort worth and decided that he was going to do the wrong thing and shoot a young woman through her window. it was completely unjust, and again, we are glad that he was convicted. >> that is what shocked me when it happened, and why we responded in that. he shot her through the window while she was playing video games with her nephew. in your statement following the verdict, you called to pass the george floyd justice and policing act that the house has already passed multiple times. the bill died in the senate, so bipartisan negotiations collapsed. what is the future of police reform as we head into the next congressional session? s we head into the nex congressional session? absolutely. we have police reform. it's hard to imagine any scenario whatsoever with the republicans and kevin mccarthy. look if he is letting marjorie

taylor greene called a, shots he's probably not get a let us pass the george floyd policing act. but, at the very least, reverend al, we need to get qualified immunity. and, that provision region. the anti ku klux klan act of 1871, and overtime, the supreme court has said that city governments and county governments cannot be held financially responsible for the misdeeds of police officers. and, it is just not right. so many families of cases that never make the news where someone was hurt by the police, or killed by the police, and the family should be entitled to some sort of civil compensation. and they are not. and at the very least, we need to get that done. because of these police departments, and the sheriffs departments can be held financially responsible for the misdeeds of their police officers, i guarantee, you they would put in their own reforms and we obviously with still need to get the george floyd

police act done. but they would put in some reforms before we can get that done. and i believe that at the very least we need to fix the qualified immunity situation. >> in another major news story that happen just yesterday, the attorney general merrick garland moved to and sentencing disparities that have imposed harsher penalties for different forms of cocaine and, as a result, his dark green worsened when equity in the u.s. justice system. i remember leading marches in the 1990s about the unfair richly mitch roche motivated longer sentences of people convicted of possessing crack rather than powdered cocaine. i remember reverent jeff c jackson and others convening meetings saying that we need to see crime out of our community, but we don't want this disparity in sentencing. talk about the historic significance of this change? >> absolutely.

look. all of us, especially people that are gen x and older, we will remember this late 80s and 90s where people were breaking into cars in church parking lots, people needed to keep someone home at funerals, because people were afraid that neighbors that may have been addicted to drugs may break into the house. people remember that crime situation and how bad it had gotten. but it was never ever a good idea to have the discrepancies and cynicism, and so i am glad that a.g. garland has issued this memorandum to end the sentencing disparities, and that the u.s. prosecutors need to follow that. it is long overdue. we need to keep working on it. and what we need as a response similar to what we have seen with the opioid epidemic that has hit a lot of white communities in this country, where there has been much more of an emphasis on getting people help and helping people improve their situation, and not locking them underneath

your like we did in the late 80s and 90s. because, again, it was just never justin it should've never happened. >> congressman. you cosponsored the revel solution in the house calling for the immediate release of britney griner. who announced on friday that she plans to be back on the basketball court for the wnba's phoenix mercury this season. what has been your reaction to the positive news of miss griner's release, and some of the negative responses from some politicians on the right? as you know, i tried to visit. are we all were rallying for her. but there has been this backlash from the right. how do you respond? this >> first of all, i am very happy that ref ellen text and britney griner, that she is back at home with her family, with her wife. and, that she is going to be playing the season. i think it's gonna be very important for all americans, democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives,

independents. to see her on that court, playing. to show her perseverance enter will to overcome this unjust arrests that she faced in russia. i would also say, i have these lateness test that republicans put up for black americans all the time, testing our patriotism as nothing more than racism. they may call it something else, but that is all it is. is racism. if you don't do exactly what they tell you to do, and if you don't honor the flag, and if you don't honor the country exactly the way, and the rules that they lay down, then all the sudden you are somehow less patriotic than there. but what i would tell all of my colleagues, what did you say on january the 6th? when people tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power in this country? you need to be more concerned about that then brittney griner who said that even though she did not feel comfortable standing, that she was proud to be an american and that her

father fought in vietnam. and that he had been a police officer, and that is what they should be listening to. and not all of this other, these litmus tests in the sort of things that they always put forward for black people, but they don't hold their own voter constituency responsible too. >> absolutely. thank, you representative mark veasey. after the break, a party divided. i will give republicans 18 east of their own medicine. in this week, gotcha. and, later, georgia races runoff system could be running out of time. but first, my colleague richard louis with today's top news stories. richard? >> rev, good saturday to you. the mayor keep ukraine says, many utilities and services were restored. that is just a day after russia launched one of the largest waves of missile strikes at the capitol. the city's water supplies fully back online, and power restored to two thirds of residents. but have the city is still without heat. tv personality, sharon osborne,

was hospitalized friday. santa polyp's say it was because of a quote, unspecified medical emergency that was non life-threatening. and, it is to have a three day strike by starbucks workers are dozens of the companies locations across the united states. this was the longest walkout so far in the efforts to unionize employees of the coffee chain. the associated press reporting, more than 264 stores voted to unionize. but, none have reached agreements on contracts of yet. more politics nation, with reverend al sharpton, right after this break. reverend al sharpton, righ after this break after this break

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a lot to talk about. so let's turn to my political panel for their insights on today's top stories. joining me now is republican strategist, susan del percio. and, democratic strategist juanita tolliver. let me go to you first, juanita. the january six committee sources tell nbc news, the panel is meeting this weekend to consider possible criminal referrals against former president trump, and perhaps others in connection with the events of june that day. this would be a major development, as the committee puts out its final report. what do you think the political implications would be for attorney general garland, and the white house, if such recommendations are made? >> i mean, they just have to take them seriously. because the public is going to be looking to them to act on it. and, rev, that is all preface by the fact that the doj has been explicitly clear and

public about how they have been leaning on the january six committee's findings to guide some of the grandeur in assignations. to guide some of the prosecutorial work. and, so what we've seen so far is that with that reality that the doj has been asking for the transcripts, asking for the evidence, asking for the depositions, the public is gonna be looking to the doj to act on it. so, i hope that the special counsel picks it up and runs with it. because otherwise, it will be politically disappointing for democrats who have been watching this, and independents, who have been watching this open for some accountability. >> susan, more president trump doesn't appear very concerned about criminal referrals. right now, he seems chiefly focused on making money. trump launched a line of superhero themed nfts with an announcement so over the top, it was even criticized by magazine porters like steve bannon and might michael flynn. i mean, is trump even taking his presidential campaign or

illegal situation legally a seriously right now? >> you know, raf, donald trump never looks at his legal situation in the sense of a court of law, but rather a pr problem. and, i think he is constantly trying to just getting news shiny object out there. unfortunately, well, it is just what it is for donald trump that he just fall flat on this horrible idea. now, he may have made $4 million on it, even though we don't know exactly where that money was going, because he said it was a campaign announcement. but then, it looks like he is pocketing the money personally. but, either way that is still a lot of people who are willing to buy these ridiculous items for $99. and, at this point i think donald trump just wants to keep his name out there hopefully without involving an indictment. >> let's talk twitter anyone. muscular, today musk reversed

costs and reinstated about half a dozen the high-profile journalists. he had abruptly kicked off the social network just a few days ago. it is the latest in the series of erratic moves mosque has made since he took control of the company in october. and, of course mask also told his followers to pull republicans in the midterms. although, he reportedly never cast a ballot himself. one need to, as a strategist how would you advise democratic politicians to approach twitter as a tool for political messaging, while the platform grows more chaotic by the day? >> i think they need to keep doing what we have already been seeing in response to this, rev. call out how elon musk's behavior, especially targeting journalist on the press, fully aligns and falls out of the authoritarian playbook. representative cortez told it's a abuse of power. dean phillips emphasize that these were definitely destructive tactics that are

harmful to, not only just how journalists are treated in the press in the first amendment, but also our democracy writ large. and what elon musk relies on self with antisemites, white supremacist, and give them this platform. democrats have to lean on this platform to continue to call it out in realtime. as well as to legislate and try to get some type of regulatory work done around social media management. because what elon musk is showing, is that he is gonna use this entire platform, this entire company, as a tool for extremism. >> susan, same topic. next year you could see a number of republicans jumping into the presidential race. joining former president trump, who has already declared. what role do you think musk's twitter could play in that context? >> it just really important to remember that, musk is in his right as owning twitter, as a private businesses. it is not.

and he is not forced to pay attention to first amendment rights, which is the nature of the problem when it comes to regulating social media in itself. so, while despicable as his behavior is, he is perfectly, he is it is partly excitable in his mind to direct and there is no legal recourse. now, it is the pr issue that is the bigger problem. will people still continue to advertise on it. and, that is what is going to push the political agenda. if people aren't on twitter and twitter doesn't exist because of the advertising dollars, then the politicians are just going to walk away from it. but for right now, it is still a town square where people do put up information and, unfortunately a lot of disinformation. but, it is where people go to see what is happening in realtime. >> a quick 30 seconds to each of you before we go. georges republican secretary of state this week called on the legislature to end the states

runoff system. we talked about the racist history of these runoffs a few weeks ago on this program. do you think there is a realistic chance that georgia will and the practice, and how might that impact the states politics in the next few years? susan, then juanita. >> i don't see it happening anytime soon. but it certainly is something they should eliminate. we saw what happened for the last two cycles. most states do not require 50% threshold, and i think that should be the same for georgia. >> juanita? >> rev, i refuse to believe in the past two weeks that raffensperger figured out the historic barrier that runoffs create on black voters in trying to limit black political power. and so, i just refuse the premise to begin with. and absolutely not we are gonna see any change from this republican-controlled state legislature at all. >> all right, steven sandal pressing on when he to toliver. thank you both. after the break, a show of

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exterior into that of a privileged white male. >> that is a scene from the new broadway show, ain't no mow. a production many critics agree should be a box office smash. but, despite raver views, and widespread interest, just one week after opening the show featuring and all black cast, already announced that it would end its run after struggling at the box office. but, some last-minute assist from folks like tyler perry, will smith, and jada pickett smith have helped to keep it alive. as black box office titans have bought out whole showings of what hollywood reporters described as a provocative committee, which asks the question, what if the u.s. government attempted to solve racism by offering black americans one-way plane tickets to africa. joining me now is award-winning

performer and playwright jordan -y cooper. he is the creator and star of ain't no mow. and, the youngest black american playwright in broadway history. jordan, we appreciate you joining us tonight. to start off, i want to ask for audience, who may not understand how broadway works, who may have never been to a broadway show, how well most even a critically acclaimed show like eight no mow, with a black cast and a black perspective, have to do in order to be competitive with the predominately white productions, because it seems to me that this is at least in part what you're show's contending with. competing for eyes and ears while black. what would you say to that? >> absolutely. i think that this is a show that really, in order to make something a box office hit it has to meet its weekly costs.

and, what we were struggling to meet with our weekly costs in order to put up the show. and we were only up for about a week after opening before we got our closing notice to really see if we were able to build an audience, literally that week we had just gotten is glowing reviews, and then a couple days later we are getting a closing notice. so we have a chance to build audience. which with the shell like, this takes time. a lot of shows on broadway right now, they start celebrities. samuel jackson is in the piano lesson right now. we don't have a celebrity onstage. we are not based off of a movie, or familiar story that people know about, or a song, or an artist. so it takes time to really let people know that, hey there's something happening here that especially now to check it out. >> as i understand it, you were prepared to shut the showdown tomorrow. but you've got some assist from some black hollywood a lister's to keep a show open. i know that actors will smith and jada pickett smith have

brought out showings. producer shonda rhimes, former nba star dwyane wade and his wife. actor gabriel union, actors will be goldberg and billy porter were in the house last night, along with some other players of the new york jets, nfl team. i understand. and this week, we thought filmmaker tyler perry have stepped up to buy some showings. and as a result, the show will go on at least through december 23rd. as a black creator in performer, what does it mean to you to see these heavy hitters go to bat in a different way, and in different ways for your creation? >> literally, it is unprecedented. i am so honored and humbled that they believe in the work that much, and that they are willing to jump into the battlefield like that and put their money where their mouth is. literally. you know, it is hard for broadway period, life theater

right now after the pandemic. and especially hard for shows of color when we don't have those things that i talked about earlier. and i think that we have a marketing system in the broadway community that are the same tools that they use for every show. and, this is a play that i didn't necessarily right for the same audience that would go to a normal broadway show. so, the problem was that we didn't really have time to mark it to the audience are believe that this play is for. so it involves putting up billboards in neighborhoods that you don't necessarily normally see broadway shows. because, it's like, we have traditionally been taught that broadway is and for us. we've generally been taught that those shows don't belong to us, unless gisele isn't it. and last samuel jackson isn't it. but, the truth, is a lot of black artisan doing work for many many years and a lot of people nearby community have no idea what it is because those marketing tools just don't get to them. when that lie that it doesn't

belong to us is actually just that, ally, because even when we think about something like shovel along, which was a huge musical sensation in 1921. one of the first black broadway shows. it was literally the beginning of 50 years of the greatest musicals. the garage wins got their score from a shuffle along. they sat, there they watch, they took notes. all of these beautiful composers took from these brilliant black creators to create their genius creations. and, in that very existence it shows that in the roots of broadway it is ours to you. and what i'm trying to do with a no more, it show that theater doesn't look like what it's always been looking like. robbie doesn't have to look like it's always been looking like. and, thankfully there is some people that are coming together, rallying together, and leaving that mission that are saying hey we want people to see this and see this revolution that you're trying to have onstage. >> and, you know, talking about a lister's, that you have involved an elastic himself, lee daniels. but jordan, i appreciate.

as funny as the show is, that it explicitly tackles race and politics without fear. i want to watch another scene from ain't no more. this one about politics and protest. take a look. >> with these women are doing here, is being seen by some as an extreme form of protest. >> this is a protest, this is fear. >> well, what about those that say that fear is africa something african americans of always had overcome? what makes this day more of a danger than the ones before? >> simply the fact that a person bubbly educated black women has a microphone in her head it is being broadcast lab national tele-television. or the reality that educated black man who's used to live in the white house. or the fact that a black woman could be a sitting vice president. tooth, as we have already won. that is what makes today more dangerous than yesterday. >> do you think challenging subject matter has played a role in the struggles they show has faced since the opening?

>> oh, absolutely. i think that we have some tough conversations in the show. but thankfully, they are done in a way where even the people who can't swallow it going to put the thing in the mouth. and say, okay, what is happening here? what is this? what are you trying to say? and, i am not afraid to have conversations about abortion, and about mass incarceration, and about queer injustice even within the black community. these are all conversations that happen within, because we're really trying to show, it is a play about everybody wanting to go back to africa. and, you watch all of these are people decide whether or not they are getting on the final plane out. but, within that you see their lives and you see why they want to leave and what situations they have been put in in order to want to find a new promised land. and then, as the play goes on and we really discover how difficult that really is in the midst of our laughing. >> you know, jordan, many of

the people have talked about how africa features prominently in your play. in this week, president biden held a three-day summit with nearly 50 african leaders. during the meeting, the white house pledged to spend $55 million in the continent over the next three years, and announced planning was underway for the first presidential visit to subdue here into africa in 2000, since 2015 there has been one. what are your thoughts about the relationship between african americans and present a africa, and do you think there are opportunities for new kinds of linkages in the future. we are out of time, but i wanted you to. >> i think they're absolutely is. i think we have, a lot of people have this romanticized idea of what africa is, window necessarily always do the work to see what the continent needs, and what certain countries need. and, it is an interesting dichotomy because in ain't no

more, we explore. that everybody is like we're going back to africa. but the reality is, because we had a dash in front of our identity, african american, it is a little bit slippery. is that really are home? that is where ancestors came from, but what would happen if we all went there? then, are we the colonizers? are we the ones taking up space. it is really interesting to see this relationship between africans and african americans, and how the pain and the terror of what we have been through has drove this wedge between us. that we have to do the work to try to tear apart. and thankfully, we are taking steps towards that it looks like. >> you show your brilliance. you come from good stock. how do i know, because you tell me that your dad is an avid watcher politicsnation. >> bradley cooper. , joining cooper, thank you so much for being with us. ain't no more is at the glasgow theater in new york city. up next, a little bit of good news. in today's final thoughts. final thoughts. final thoughts.

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