doing some special work on that front for a great conversation leading into this show, have a good week! >> thanks, you too, alex! >> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome into alex witt reports, we begin this hour with breaking news. but january six committee is preparing to hold its last public hearing tomorrow. people, releasing a final report on wednesday. members of the panel, meeting this weekend, as to debate possible criminal referrals for former president donald trump and his allies. charges could include insurrection, obstructing an official proceeding of congress, and conspiracy. earlier today, leaving member adam schiff gave his view. >> i think that the evidence is there, if donald trump committed federal offenses with his efforts to overturn the election. and doing it as a former

prosecutor, i think there is sufficient evidence to charge the president. >> congressman schiff also revealed the possibility of another major vote in the january six committee, that they could take tomorrow. >> we will also be considering what is the appropriate remedy for members of congress who ignore any congressional subpoena, as well as the evidence that was so pertinent to our investigation, why we want to bring them in. >> meanwhile, another big decision involving donald trump will take place on capitol hill this week, the house committee expected to decide whether to publicly release six years of trump's tax returns, when that former president lost his fight to prevent that with the supreme court. and more breaking news, new reaction today as the covid era immigration policy known as title 42 is said to come to an end this week. earlier today, officials on both sides of the aisle, giving different views on what will happen at the southern border as a result. >> if the courts do not

intervene and put a halt to the removal of title 42, there will be total chaos. >> the administration has made clear, that while title 42 is technically lifted, they are going to put in place a system at the border that keep things more fair, but also more orderly and safe. >> a bit more on the border in minutes, but first the final january six committee deliberations ahead of tomorrow's hearing. msnbc white house correspondent monica alba joins us to break it all down. hello there, monika. >> hello there, alex. the question everyone expects to be answered tomorrow as the january six committee finishes up its work, will there be -- criminal referrals for former president trump? even though they would not carry legal weight, they would carry plenty of symbolic significance. >> final deliberations for the january six committee. wrapping up a weekend of debate ahead of the panels last scheduled meeting on monday, where congressional investigators will vote on whether to advance potential

criminal referrals for former president trump, considering a range of offenses for actions that he took leading up to -- and during the capital riot. including insurrection, obstruction of congress and conspiracy to defraud the government. while all are possible, three sources actively involved in the discussions tell msnbc news that no final call has yet been made. once determined, those recommendations would go to the department of justice, where the attorney general has the ultimate say. as special counsel jack smith continues his two truck investigation into mr. trump. if indicted, it would be the first time in history for an american president. the january six committee spent the last year and a half building its case against mr. trump. >> we are obligated to seek answers directly from the man who set this all in motion. >> painting him as a central figure in the attack. >> i think he is absolutely guilty. if he is not guilty of some kind of a crime, i mean, what

we basically said is presidents are above the law, and they can do everything short of a coup as long as it does not succeed. >> while the former president has repeatedly lashed out against the group. >> these abuses have been coming fast and furious. >> legal experts say it is easy for the committee to endorse criminal referrals, then for the doj to prosecute them. >> the doj and prosecutors have long known that a president is a very influential person, and that would be a very difficult defendant to convict in front of a jury, some of whom might have voted for that president. >> tomorrow, the committee will also present a summary of its final report, which could be about eight chapters long, outlining the biggest takeaways from the more than 1000 witness interviews they conducted. that is set to become public by wednesday. alex? >> okay, monika of, thank you for that. joining me now, miles taylor, former chief of staff of the department of homeland security, and cofounder of the new political party forward, charles coleman, former

brooklyn new york prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, and scott won, senior congressional reporter for msnbc news. welcome, gentlemen. scott, you first over here. the committee's public meeting on monday is set to be different than the blockbuster hearings that we saw earlier this year. thewhat can we expect? >> absolutely, alex. this will be a much shorter meeting. they are calling it a business meeting first as a public hearing, like the nine that we saw over the summer, in the fall, with all of those witnesses who were berated for the 16 committee. but the committee itself has two big tasks, as you heard monica mention. one is to adopt the formal report. it will be hundreds of pages long. we will not get the actual report tomorrow, but it will come, we are hoping, sometime later in the week. and then of course, they will be voting on criminal referrals. and that could include donald

trump, as you heard adam schiff talk about, it could also include specific referrals from members of congress, who have defied congressional subpoenas, and who took part in some of these discussions and efforts to overturn the election in 2020. so we will get a lot of answers over the course of, you know, tomorrow, in this monday business meeting, alex. >> and charles, as we look at what the committee is doing, it is considering referral of donald trump for three criminal charges, inciting insurrection, obstruction of an official proceeding and then, conspiracy to defraud the united states. how did the committees referral considerations, how does that compare, charles, to the legal standards that the doj must meet to charge the former president with those crimes? >> well alex, it is important to understand that charging

someone with the crime is a different conversation than getting a conviction. i think that the doj, that's the conversation they are having as opposed to the conversation that the january six committees having, it will be less limited than what is the minimum that we need to charge. to charge someone, you need probable cause over evidence. what that means is basically, it is more likely than not the elements of the crime have been met, given the evidence we have in front of them. so when you hear adam schiff talking, representative kinzinger talking to liz cheney, thompson, what they are looking at is, for many of them, adam schiff included, they are former prosecutors. and they are thinking, what are the elements of the crime? what do we have in front of us which will satisfy those elements? when they make a criminal referral, if they make one, which is something i expect them to do, the doj will be basically looking at the standard of reasonable doubt. because that is what you will need it beyond an indictment, beyond a grand jury, to secure a conviction. and that is a very different

ball game in terms of going into this, trying to actually prosecute the former president. >> of these three potential charges they are considering, charles, you say that you expect them to make a recommendation? do you know which one, all three are most likely? >> i would expect them to make the referral, certainly on the obstruction, and potentially on the attempted fraud, to fraud the american people, before congress. i am on the fence around insurrection, although that is a chart most people would want to see. because the penalty is that the offender shall not be eligible to hold office in the united states in the future. it's a very difficult charge to prove, given what it is we have already seen, it is not certain whether we can link donald trump directly to these actors in such a way that would garner an insurrection conviction. that is something the doj is likely looking at. in a case like this, you don't just want to charge for the sake of charging, you actually

want to indict on what you feel very confident that you can get a conviction with. >> that's why prosecutors will go at it, for sure. so now scott, the referrals extend beyond donald trump, you heard chairman bennie thompson saying it for those who took part in the insurrection, five or six different entities. really quick before i get to you, miles, who else could be implicated? >> well i think we have to look at who was part of donald trump 's inner circle that we are having these types of conversations about, overturning the election, sowing doubt into the weeks leading up to january six. certainly, people like john eastman, the right-wing attorney, mark meadows, the chief of staff who was part of those discussions. some folks said doj rudy giuliani. these are some names that have been discussed. but at the members have already alluded to, no final decisions have been made as of yet. >> 100%, but you keep hearing those names ricocheting around. so miles, is it necessary that

they hold any lawmakers accountable? how important might criminal referrals be towards shifting public perception of the committee's work? >> alex, you are less likely to see criminal referrals related to members of congress for a couple of reasons. number one, the evidence is not as significant. number two, when you talk about members of congress, who ignored subpoenas to testify, that is a separation of powers issue. so i think that you will see the committee feel a little bit hesitant to go ask another branch of government, the justice department inside the executive branch to police its own ranks. more likely than not we will see the committee refer those cases internally, potentially, at the house ethics committee to do an investigation of those members, considering sanctions potentially before the house changes hands, a censure of the house against members of congress. that is the likeliest thing. but it is significant that the

committee do something related to those members of congress. again, they did defy subpoenas, and there is extensive evidence that those members were involved in this effort to overturn the election. so i do not think you will see sitting members of congress get off scot-free. that itself is extremely significant for what this committee has done. again, i would note, this is much more than symbolism. because what this committee has done overall was bring pressure on jack smith, the special counsel, doj, and also a reminder to everyone, we had already seen a federal judge say that crimes were likely committed based on what was presented by the committee. so i do not think this week is just symbolism. i do think it is a very significant development. >> well adam schiff agrees with you, apparently. he says look, they must look at the prospect of those who did not pay attention to subpoenas and obey them. he said, let them walk scot-free? does the word subpoena mean anything anymore? that question needs to be put

out there. miles, let me ask you what is happening to donald trump. as you know, spent much of this morning targeting the january 6th elect committee, doing so on truth social. in one early post today, he compared what he called the crooked fbi, the so-called department of justice and intelligence to a cancer on our country. he said these weaponized thugs and tyrants must be dealt with, or our once great and beautiful country will die! give me a sense of the implications of this kind of rhetoric from him? >> well, alex, i sincerely believe the ex president is getting very close to the line of inviting more charges against himself. this man is the king of incitement. that kind of language walks very close to the line of incitement. i want to take you back in time and remind you, forget about the insurrection and other types of violence he has incited. in august, after the fbi raided his home, he went out there and said we live in a banana republic. he attacked the fbi and doj.

within days, the department of homeland security was issuing a bulletin saying chatter was increasing about a civil war and armed attacks. in the days after that, we saw a man with an ar-15 and a nail gonna try to storm the fbi office in cincinnati. then in the fall, again, donald trump called the fbi and doj vicious monsters. what have we seen just the other week? we saw a guy in tennessee charged with a hit list, who participated in january six, considered attacking and killing members of the fbi, who participated in that investigation. and again this morning, we have donald trump going after the fbi and doj, calling them weaponized thugs in a way that could incite more violence. this is extremely dangerous, it is beyond politics. it is now a national public safety threat. >> >> yes. let me get you to a big development with this one, it's in one of the many ongoing investigations into donald trump. the grand jury in georgia is reportedly wrapping up its work investigating the former president and his allies. all of the efforts to overturn

the 2020 election. multiple reports suggest a grand jury has largely finished up during witness testimony, and has now begun writing its report. the final one there, charles. how quickly do you think we might learn if indictments could be handed out? >> i think you will likely hear about this earlier in the year. i don't anticipate it will be something that will come before december 31st this year. but i do say on a statewide level, state and local level, the media investigation in the grand jury should be at the top of mind for donald trump and his legal team. i think on a federal level, the mar-a-lago case is likely going to be his biggest thorn in his side, despite whatever referrals might or might not come from the january six committee. beyond that, he will find someone who is really determined, and not swayed by anything related to politics, or the implications of what it is that is going on. he will go straight down the middle with this, so this screen will choose to indict, that could be something that is

significantly concerning him, on a federal level, even if at some point, if someone considered giving him a pardon, i.e. the future president could consider pardoning trump for an eventual prosecution, that option does not even exist at the state level. so he should be extremely concerned about whatever that report says, as it comes out. >> miles, last question quickly to you, what we saw from the new york times, the interactive equalization of how close thousands of party guests potentially got to the classified materials, that were stored at mar-a-lago. how much does that concern you from a national security perspective? >> i mean alex, we now have a history of donald trump from, before his presidency, darn handling classified information in a way that civilians who are not supposed to have access could have access. now i will tell you from the period when he was president,

there were a lot of concerns about the security of mar-a-lago. this is not news. when we were overseeing the secret service at the homeland security, i remember senior agents coming and expressing concerns about that facility, about the inability to control who was allowed in mar-a-lago, because that is a decision, a private club. remember, the secret service's job is just to protect the president, not his classified documents. so there is a whole other layer of concern over there. of course after the presidency, that level of security shrinks. so i think mar-a-lago was a sitting duck before a big, red bull's-eye for foreign intelligence services. after this news started to break, there was a period of vulnerability or foreign adversaries knew there was potential information to get in these locations. i think it is a big concern. we have not heard the end of this story yet. >> pretty sobering. thank you miles, killer, charles coleman, thank you as well scott, i will see you in another hour, do not stray too

far. you can watch our coverage of the january six committee meeting, tomorrow at noon eastern with andrea mitchell, caterer and holly jackson, at eight eastern, a recap special with rachel maddow leading our coverage there. all of it for you on msnbc as well as streaming on peacock. it is a lonely place to be, at least it should be when you are the only one clamoring about an election which is clearly over, pre-match everyone else knows it. i am not talking about donald trump. my panel tackles yet another moment of political theater ahead. ahead. [ music playing ]

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bracing for the end of title 42, pandemic era law that allowed the u.s. to expel migrants from the u.s. border. the mary val, paso texas has declared a state of emergency ahead of the wednesday expiration date. >> the reason why we are doing it is because of seven from the

beginning i would call it that i felt when our asylum seekers or community wasn't safe. talking to some of offerle partners who really believe on wednesday our numbers will go from 2500 to maybe four, five, or 6000. when i asked them i said, do you believe you guys can handle today? the answer was no. >> nbc terrell durham back is with the president in delaware. what are we hearing from national lawmakers from this? are they echoing the kind of concern we just heard from local officials? >> they are concerned that when title 42 lives on wednesday, the increasing number of people that will be applying for asylum at the southern borders -- that is a widespread thought. policy wise, nobody is on the same page here. it's not looking good in this congress is not looking good in the next congress either. republican say there is crime and drugs flowing into the

border. that is their words. democrats not seem to have much of a solid plan either -- some people saying a physical border wall may be better. some folks are saying that the funding to border agents may be helpful, as well. that would make clear this morning on the sunday shows when he heard that no one is happy. no one has a real solid plan here. here are what some folks had to say. >> we know what to do. we saw it work out of the trump administration. those policies have to be turned away and detain, not apprehend release. it's six point plan from the biden menstruation is a supercharged apprehend and released. >> congress's response has been, let's keep doing the same thing. let's treat immigration as a border only policy. everyone should now see and understand that the failure. we have to be smarter about this. beginning to look at the bigger picture or things will get worse regardless of who is in the white house. >> the biden administration is,

of course, expecting title 42 to lived on wednesday. they have surged the number of border patrol agents to the border. they have also increased the number of border processing centers across the border. it was about two years ago now the president biden named vice president harris to be in charge of the influx of migrants coming into the united states and came up with a plan to work with that situation. it has been about a year and a half since she last visited the border. alex? >> point well taken. thank you very much for that, gary. joining me now is pennsylvania congresswoman madeleine dean a member of the house judiciary and -- welcome my friend, good to see you. i want to ask you about the concerns you may have about what's going on at the border and settle 42 resulted this week. what is most in your mind? settlethe humanitarian crisis ts there. good to be with you this sunday. i know everyone is awaiting the world cup results -- but you can handle me for a moment. it is an extraordinarily

complex problem. i spoke just last night with ronica escobar, my colleague and friend from el paso. she is very worried with what is to come let's remind everybody that title 42 is not immigration law. it is not an immigration statute. it is a public health statue. the ending of that was predictable and necessary. the biden administration have been asking, for as long as i have been -- certainly in these intervening months for help, for surging of more agents. also we know it is budget week this week. we are going to pass a budget, the omnibus, this week. in their, i hope, will be resources for the border so we will have quicker processing and adjudication to find out who is a legal person seeking refuge. most of this is legal immigration. who is not qualified. who would be and illegal

immigrant. if you listen to the other side of the aisle in the place where i work you would think that everybody was an illegal immigrant. in fact, some of my colleagues have gone so low as to call them invaders. >> wow, that is something right there. as you brought it up, it is 22 right now. it is all tied up. first overtime -- just so you know. we'll let you know if you need to change a channel. but don't yeah. let's turn to the january 6th committee, it meets tomorrow before releasing its final report wednesday. the panel, as you know, is deliberating a number of criminal referral for donald trump, which could include charges for insurrection, obstructing an official proceeding of congress, and conspiracy. you are an impeachment manager and trump second senate trial. you followed the january 6th committee's work closely. should the committee follow through on these referrals or are these charges prosecutable? >> i will tell you this, i am looking forward to tomorrow's hearing. i'm here in washington d.c. in

part to be sure to be there. what we will see is more of the extraordinary work of this committee. a time to liz cheney, and talk to adam schiff just this morning. i respect that they put forward their referrals that they decide upon tomorrow for the public. and as important as they are, as historic as they will be, i want everybody to remember it is the entire body of work of the january six committee -- more than 16, 17 months worth of work investigating, getting at the truth. just as we try to do very early on in impeachment number two. what will stand out to me, and what has to that to me, is the amazing story of extraordinary courage, heroes, and then the extraordinary corruption, cowardice, criminality of others. i'm talking about others at the highest levels of our government. i look forward to tomorrow's hearing and the delivery of the report this week. >> okay. let's talk about what donald

trump is doing. not surprisingly, lashing out on his social media platform, true -- writing, our country is sick inside, very much like a person dying of cancer. the crooked fbi, the so-called department of justice, and intelligence. all part of the democrat party and system, is the cancer. these weaponized thugs and tyrants must be dealt with, or our great country is at risk. do you want a response to that? >> what if i simply said no. that person have lost credibility so many years ago. no comment. >> cool, got it. as the january six committee's work is coming to an end, give me your biggest take away from what we have learned. what the impact of long term legacy is going to be of the committee's work. >> as you know, i along with many others were there on january six. i take it personally, i take it patriotically. i take it page -- what we know is a president, a

sitting president, of the united states got so desperate to overturn the results of the election, he tried every door he could try to find, including trying to change vote results and states. trying to unseat electors. many other methods. corrupt, criminal methods. when all of the failed, the last people he summoned around him, he incited an attempted coup by americans against the american government. people died that day. what i will take away from this is, we have to get this right. we have to hope the former president of the united states to recount. every single person, whether they are members of congress, lawyers, whomever to account. because no one can be above the law, especially when you are talking about trying to literally topple our government. >> this can never happen again. my button up to your eloquent

response. congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you as always. coming up next? terry lake's visit to mar-a-lago. what she said there will speak for yourself in a matter of being. amid the course of laughter and criticism over donald trump's trading cards, he resists for saturday night live's we can update. >> semi retired maniac donald trump has launched a collection of digital nfc trading cards depicting him in cost him such as cowboy, superhero, and most unbelievable of all, guy who didn't dodge the draft. i am honestly just relieved tease marrying in american military uniform.

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powerful ballistic missile that it says could reach as far as the u.s. mainland. ftx founder sam bankman-fried will face a judge in the bahamas tomorrow after changing course and agreeing not to fight his extradition to the u.s.. the former ceo was arrested on monday in charged with fraud, money laundering, and campaign finance charges -- saying he misuse billions of dollars of customer funds. here in the u.s., to throw the country could see temperatures well below average this week, just in time for the official first day of winter. it comes out to parts of massachusetts five foot of snow yesterday. thousands of people from maine to new york lost power. well, again, tomorrow is january 6th panels final public hearing ahead of releasing that final report on wednesday. members are meeting this weekend to debate whether to send the doj grown over foliage hump and its allies. charges can include insurrection, obstruction of an official proceeding of congress, and conspiracy. for me now to discuss it all is lindsey johnson, political

strategist and founder of -- susan del percio, republican strategist and former republican congresswoman from florida. dave charlie, the latitude both msnbc political analyst. welcome guys! glad to have you. here valencia, your thoughts on what the legacy of the 16 committee work is going to be. how much will the decision on whether to criminally referred all of trump will be to that legacy? >> i think they are going to have a strong legacy when it comes to how history views the january six committee, especially when you think about what you are going to see this week. what they were going to say about the former president. the reality is we have seen enough facts they have seen even more in their hearings, interviews, how the president has been a key piece in inciting, trying to overthrow our democracy. i'm looking forward to what will come out tomorrow. i'm hoping it won't get lost as people are getting prepared for the holidays. this is a very serious moment

in our history. we came together and actually did their job regardless of what people are saying susan, does any criminal referral from the 16 committee come with the risk of being polarizing? as the doj investigates, does this risk being in agitation for political purposes? should that factor in the committee's decision on where to go with this? >> i like, for months i have said i really think they should not before the case to the doj. you know what? i've been thinking about. a va are so polarized already, everything is political they myles will do it for the record and get it over with. the other thing is, with all of the interviews that have been done for this committee, one thing we really haven't talked about, the south an interview that will also be released, it will also be historic it is really important for us to all

be able to see on like a trial where we wouldn't be able to see every interview. >> david, what kind of political risk might come with criminal referrals? could they help donald trump rally republicans around him? do you think it will be the final straw to inspire the gop to move past him? >> i don't know that it allows donald trump to rally people around him. the committee does not have a prosecutorial function. it could galvanize people into recalling the amounts of january six. i think susan is right, it can be a hard question. but i am in the camp that this committee needs to issue findings and conclusions of law. they also need to make recommendations, or referrals, for prosecution. here is why. we all know they are not a prosecutorial body. they are not -- sense of justice by saying, we believe the donald trump, indeed, did try to obscure the hearing indeed aided an insurrection. we believe that that matches

the law and we believe the department of justice should fall that that is not an imposition on the department justice it is issuing the country the department -- what the mueller report suffered from is the failure to issue conclusions. attorney general barr obfuscated the findings. that is not the case with 16. the fun reason is this, if they failed to issue conclusions in the recommendation then this committee's work will have some hard scrutiny throughout history. the president's defenders will say, see? even the committee defending him could not reach decisions that he did anything wrong. >> let's look at something on the other hand and look at what donald trump has definitely spawned. eye-opening new comments from republican kari lake as she seeks to overturn the arizona election. take a listen to this. >> the evil bastard's, can i say that here? is that all right?

watch them steal this broad daylight. if they think they can get away with it, and they have masked with the wrong [bleep], okay? >> so overturn an election. claims about that. using some colorful bad language to do so, that is a donald trump play right there. so, alencia, you heard those words received by loud cheers. give me a reelection to that. how concerning do you think this rhetoric is? ection to it is very reminiscenf donald trump's rhetoric. it sounds like she is trying to become his running mate, right? she seems like the woman version of donald trump. not only with those remarks but with the response that she had in arizona. it is very concerning. while we are laughing at these remarks, there are people actually cheering for them. there are people who like this kind of rhetoric. they continue to support

someone like her. i'm really concerned that folks haven't learned the lessons of the previous election, and 2022. they are bolstering up with someone like kari lake. >> susan, this mirrors trump's own efforts to mirror the 2020 election, does it adds the importance of holding trump accountable for january six? would it send a message to anyone else who are as trying to do the same thing? >> i think -- that has already happened. fortunately, looking at the 2022 elections, a lot of the election deniers admitted that they lost. they were not following donald trump's playbook. kari is one of the few exceptions to that, that is on the positive note. of course there will always be those who want to play to the crowd. she has seen some success -- she has seen marjorie taylor greene raising money. in the news business we say,

send me your real. some of your best broadcast. maybe this is her real to run for vice president. >> david, do you think that no one has learned from all the trump claims that never went anywhere? really, how likely are we to see more efforts to overturn elections by republicans in the future. where does this and? >> politically vanity often gets in the way of reason. we are seeing that. where does it and? we need secret to continue to protect democracy from election stealing and from the activities of those who are trying to see elections that the state level. i do think donald trump should name kari lake as his vice presidential running mate and iso soon. it's not a ticket i would support but donald trump is doing everything wrong. if he intends to run for president, he's old news. desantis's new news. politics, as much as you want the old original, you want what is next. donald trump could galvanize his run for the white house by that pick.

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been paralyzed across the country. take a look. >> deadly protests across peru now paralyzing travel in stranding american tourists in machu picchu. as a former president pedro castillo was impeached, arrested, and detained earlier this month, his supporters took to the streets. clashing with police. so far, more than 20 people have been killed. his former vice president, tina moe par, now president, defiance. declaring a state of emergency. the political unrest now choking off tourism of an indies. the roads down our block trains have been halted an estimated several hundred tourists including americans notre dame to the base of famed machu picchu. >> as far as we know we are trying to be airlifted across to the airport. we have not heard any helicopters yet. >> tuesday was when the roads were blocked and stuff. our guide had to bribe the protesters to move the rocks.

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counts as we get down to those last few days. >> it also counts in terms of the overall economy. we're gonna get some more readings about that this week particularly about the housing market, which is sort of at the leading edge the situation with higher interest rates housing starts existing home sales expected to be about down 8%. we will have more readings are consumer confidence this week, leading economic indicators as the federal reserve tries to gauge just how aggressive to be by raising interest rates remember this past week they raised rates by another half percent. fed chairman, jerome powell, said the prospects for a recession, in his words, and noble. alex? >> wow. okay, four minutes until the stores open behind you, scott. thank you. the final count on on capitol hill in the impact we could have on the doj. what we will see here 24 hours from now.

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