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>> -- trump will be the first president to ever see a criminal referral from congress. nbc has also learned that -- republican members of congress to the house ethics community, for blocking their subpoenas from the committee. these developments make tomorrows already must-see flannel public committee hearing a truly blockbuster event. it'll be a combination of 18 months of investigating, 1200 plus witnesses and witness interviews and depositions, over 1 million pages of records, and more than 100 subpoenas. but we have to remember here, all of the committee can do tomorrow is lay out their case to the public. the committee's criminal referrals, technically, carry no legal weight. it's up to the doj to decide whether or not to charge trump or anyone else who might be referred by the committee. joining me now is nbc's -- to walk us through this breaking news. ali? it's on you.

what can you tell us? >> hello, michael. my colleagues and i were all outside at the committee's meeting today as they modeled here behind closed doors on the capitol complex. but we were able to overheat or the rehearsal they were doing for tomorrow, including where they laid out the charges they're likely to present against former president donald trump. i can put them up for you on this green. we know there's at least three of them that they plan to prefer, and it runs from obstructing an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the government, and inciting or assisting an insurrection. that's one that has been sort of a live topic of conversation for the committee. our sources are saying that's one that they did go back and forth on, whether or not they thought they had enough to actually referred trump for that. but it does seem that that's something we hear from them tomorrow. there are also conversations around some of the criminal things that lawyer john eastman could've time. that's certainly gonna be

something that we hear brought up tomorrow in this final meeting of the january six committee. and then, of course, there's the question about what they're gonna do with the republican lawmakers who defied their subpoena's. and now it seems what we overheard jamie raskin saying in the room, is that they're gonna refer four of them to the house ethics committee. you remember five republican lawmakers were subpoenaed. we can put them up for you on the screen. among them is the likely house speaker, kevin mccarthy, if he can get those 218 votes that he needs just a few weeks from now. but we know that lows lawmakers, or some of them, will be referred to by the house ethics committee. it's notable, though, the house ethics committee is evenly divided between republicans number crafts. time for this congresses running out. that's likely pretty toothless in terms of being punishment for ignoring these subpoenas in the first place. the other piece that's important to remember, which i know you know so well, is that even though this committee does these criminal referrals,

whether it's against trump or anyone else they want to add into the mix, they're not but -- they don't carry legal weight. it doesn't mean that just before congress sons this referral, doj has to act. in fact, doj remains an independent entity and will make its decision at such. they have their own investigations happening concurrently right now. that's another thing that's gonna be factored into the process. but again, monday's meeting is a precursor. they'll lay out the public case -- things that we've already heard from the committee over the course of the summer, and the areas we've already heard from them, based on the rehearsal i was hearing today, you're gonna hear a lot of the same familiar themes, from each member leading a specific portion, and then ultimately, they'll release their final report on wednesday. that'll have all the transcripts, all the upended says, a lot of things for you and i had to start going through and reading. >> just in time for the holidays. >> of course. what more could you ask for? light reading for the committee. >> whole stack of documents to read. nbc's ali vitale, always on top

of all things capitol hill. thanks so much. thank you. let's bring in our panel of experts. nbc legal analysis and former watergate special prosecutor jill wine-banks, investigative reporter -- hunter walker, an msnbc contributor and new york times justice department reporting, katie benner. welcome, all of you. joe, you're my go-to here. let's start with your reaction to the committee's plan to issue these criminal referrals. this is something that's really out of the box for us. >> it is the first time, but it's the first time that we've ever had a president or former president who has done in office, and since leaving office, so many criminal acts. i think it was pretty much assumed for many weeks now that this would be the outcome. but, now we know for sure that it is the outcome. i think that it has, as you pointed out, it's not legally

compulsory for the department of justice to do anything with the referral. they will make their decision independently, based on the law and based on the facts. but based on what we've seen, the law and the facts come together here to show that all three of those crimes have been committed by donald trump, and by others around him. so it'll be interesting to see who, besides donald trump, is referred for criminal prosecution. as well as for ethical violations within the house itself. >> so, katie, jill just kind of laid out the frame of reference here, what the impact of this could be. but here's the rub. these recommendations are just recommendations. these criminal referrals are just recommendations to the -- based on your reporting, do you see the department taking up these referrals and actually doing something with them? >> the departments gonna take the referral seriously.

as you say, this is a historic moment. but the ongoing investigations -- in the case of january 6th, two years, already covers the ground that the committee has covered. so it's not necessary for the committee to send these referrals over to the justice department, for the justice department to take a look at these statutes and see what it thinks. in some ways, the department has incentivized to try to create some distance between the referrals. keep in mind one of the big sensitivities for this prosecution is that it could be called a political prosecution. it could be democrats just trying to go after the leader of the republican party, to abuse the justice department, abuse the power of the justice department, to get that done. the justice department is very cautious about making sure there is no even appearance of that conflict of interest. so they're gonna hold these sorts of referrals at arms length, because this is coming from a political party, which while bipartisan -- >> katie raises an interesting

point here about how the justice department may approach this and sort of do the -- keeping a little distance. what do you make of this move by the committee, and how do you see trump responding to all of this? >> well, i think you're right. it's obviously a little bit of a stiff arm. when i've heard from -- they've always been approaching this investigation in a very traditional criminal prosecution, where they sort of take a pyramid structure and go from the bottom up. you know, i think the appointment of jack smith -- looking at the higher levels of this. so it's clear that they've been proceeding independently without the committee. i think this is more about the committee sort of trying to show something for all of these massive public hearings, these millions of lines of data that they've gone through, and you know, as everyone pointed out, this is a little toothless, but it's also about taking some

kind of public action. on that front, it might be purely political, but that's always where trump wants to weigh in. i'm sure we'll see posts on truth social and also other things trying to attempt to do what katy was alluding to and -- both these investigations by tying them together and calling them a witch hunt, as he does with every other probe. >> jill, let's do a walk through scenario of what the doj could possibly do. but more importantly, how the committees can approach all this during this sort of official handing over to the doj. where do prosecutors start with this mountain of evidence, how do you think this plays out and light of what we just heard about the committee and the doj? >> first of all, let me say i agree with everything that katie and the hunter said. we need to stress that the department of justice is conducting a wide ranging

investigation already. it's clear from the subpoenas they've issued, even recently, that they're looking at not just the violence of january 6th. they're looking at everything else that is involved in the potential coup attempt by the trump administration, basically. they're looking at the pressure on the department of justice. they're looking at the pressure on the state legislature. they're looking at all of the aspects of the fake electors. there's subpoenaing the secretary of state of a number of states. they were already there without any referral. but they will now have is 1000 witness depositions. they will have to go through all of that to make sure there's nothing inconsistent with the testimony they've gathered through grand jury's an fbi interviews. they'll put it all together to determine whether there is any

exculpatory evidence that is now something they have to consider making a prosecution decision, because the standard there held to, beyond a reasonable doubt, they have to prove a case in a much different way than just the average citizen, who will vote based on what the information is. the record is important for the public, but it's very different for the department of justice and the standard that they have to meet. so they're gonna review this all very carefully in the same way that i hope citizens well. but obviously, with 1000 pieces of evidence, it's gonna be very hard, and people are gonna have to rely on the -- summary to get ahead of the information, which is important. but that's what's gonna happen. so they'll be revealing everything. >> katie, looks like the january six committee is prepared to flip the script a little, if you, well because according to nbc news reporting,

the committee also plans to refer republican members of congress to the house ethics committee for subpoenas issued to them. so, what punishment could be in store for them? will that be a dad? the house flips in january, so there's all kinds of political scenarios and consequences from that. how do you see that piece of what the january six committee is about to put out there stocking up? >> i want to say out of hand that that's meaningless gesture. i think it's very important. because it speaks to the broader mission of the january six committee, which is to take a look and say -- why did this attack happen? what were the consequences that led up to it? it's looking at ones calling -- a piece of this broader investigation. it's something the committee needs to be able to get out, because of what we've seen from these investigations that are oftentimes political, sometimes there is not a law that is

broken. sometimes, you can't rely just on the criminal code. you have to rely on norms and standards. the committee, and making these sorts of referrals, is saying that they would also like congress to get back to a world of norms and standards, and that they shouldn't be violated, and not simply relying on what is legal and what is not in order to curtail certain kinds of unethical behavior. >> he broke a massive new story this week. you obtained the over 2000 text messages trump's ex chief of staff mark meadows turned over to the house committee. what stood out to you in those messages? whether any flashing red lights? >> well, on a legal front, experts we spoke to, my colleagues and i at t p m, spent weeks sifting through the messages, saying one of the more problematic things was where we saw of requests for pardons from trump allies kind of mingled with their activism

on the election. but we also saw, and you just flashed scott perry's picture on the screen. 44 members of congress texting about various plots to overturn the election result. it shows that perry, and particular, was in the thick of some of these efforts to pressure local officials -- he also was pushing some of these, you, no plans to grab it seize machines, but them under, quote unquote, lock and key. all of this is in the evidence that was compiled by the committee. that reportedly has been handed over to the doj. i'm also interested in the phone evidence compiled by the community, which i -- my book, the breach, which ike cowrote with one of the staffers, and we looked at kind of how the link maps built by the committee showing who texted two, who called who, show that all these various -- directly linked by communications, whether it be

the military operation, the political operation to oppose this in congress, or some of these legal strategies. i think the bottom line is, if the doj wants to dig deep, they will find that, you know, there was an overarching conspiracy behind all these different aspects of the plan. >> wow. jill, hunter, katie, stick around. we're gonna continue this conversation right after a quick break. mass general brigham -- when you need some of the brightest minds in medicine.

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on the breaking january six committee news, let's not forget it's just one of many problems for trump. this week's special counsel, jack smith, issued subpoenas targeting election officials in several battleground states that were key to trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. state local election officials in georgia, nevada, new mexico, pennsylvania, arizona, michigan,

and wisconsin all received subpoenas. jill wine-banks, hunter walker, and katie bennett are back with me right now. -- january six committee also discuss today john eastman's involvement in the conspiracy related to obstructing preceding. what do you make of that, and what do you expect, if anything, from that? >> john eastman is a fascinating figure because it's really difficult to know what he was saying to donald trump, per se. he was certainly saying to his colleagues and other people that he didn't feel that some of these efforts to overturn the election were gonna wear. he said in some cases they weren't legally sound. so he becomes this very interesting figure. again, what was he saying to donald trump? that's what in some ways matters most. we also know he's part of the inspector general investigation on what the -- ways that the justice department was being used to pressure by the white house --

eastman didn't work at the justice department so we wouldn't be the subject of the investigation, but you can imagine because it was in constant contact with many officials -- there are gonna see a lot of john eastman in reports to come before we even see him and any kind of indictment, if that happens. >> jill, you know, the republicans take, as i mentioned before -- cut this republican run house do anything legally to offset, ignore, destroy, combat the work doc of the january 6th committee, throw it out? what can we expect from the congress? >> there is one thing. i did some research today. neil mentioned it, but i was on with him with this morning, and it's alarming. and it is that they could stack their own investigation. they could call witnesses, and witnesses could say, i'm not gonna testify, i'm taking the

fifth, and they could immunize them. and that's not a home run for them, because they could only give use immunity. that means the person involved could still be indicted and tried for the crimes, the transaction that's involved. they just couldn't have their testimony used against them. it requires that the congress go to a judge and ask for her the right to do this. the right to give immunity, after having ten days notice to the department of justice, and then the department can hold off on doing that for at least 20 days. it gives them a total of 30 days to get at the end of the tins together. this is something we did during watergate, before john been testified. we were in touch with the senate, which was doing the investigation. and in the possibility that he would get immunity, put

together the evidence so that we could prove that any prosecution that we went forward with was based on evidence we had before his testimony. the other thing that makes this not as powerful tool is that anybody can be prosecuted for perjury. so if any witness lies, and remember how much evidence there is about what the truth is, if they don't tell the truth in that testimony, they'll be prosecuted for perjury before congress. so it's not as strong a remedy as maybe the house would like, but it's an impediment. it will cause a problem. it will make a problem to prosecution. >> hunter, picking up on jill's point, with the committee shuddering in january, what could senate democrats to? is there anything they can do to take up this work somehow? >> they might be able to. i think we see a lot of into

cases that the republicans and congress might have a lot of motivation to try to shut the stuff down because they're central to a lot of the stuff that's being investigated. are viewed text messages the past couple weeks that showed andy biggs indicating that trump was telling him to -- scott perry was connecting pennsylvania lawmakers, and the trump legal team. the house is quite compromise on this, and the republican majority is at the center of that issue. so there might be some incentive for senate democrats to try to do an investigation of their own. but ultimately, i think it comes down to the justice department for all these reasons we were outlining earlier. they're the ones -- since we see jack smith taking over the -- we're gonna be in a bit of a wait and see to see how he handles that. >> so, if you want to pick up on the intro that we had about

-- mr. smith issuing subpoenas in the seven battleground states at this time? >> i think it makes sense. this is the next step for anyone leading this investigation, particularly someone as thorough and fascinating as jack smith is purported to be, and as my sources told me he is. the justice department before the election, they sent subpoenas requesting documents and paper. they wanted to look through to see if there was any -- continued investigation, see what they found. the next logical step would be to subpoena -- of course, we had the election, so there was a pause. the fact this was happening just basically a few weeks after the election, and very shortly after jack smith -- he will try to pursue that testimony. i don't think we're gonna see him being particularly patient or crawling -- will bring them in just to see what they have to say, if they help the investigation, >> we

know from the january six committee's investigation that the oath keepers communicated with the white house at several times, and along with trump allies, how could that play into jack smith's investigation? and who potentially could be touched by that? >> not something that sort of came out of the book i did, the breach, and also nbc's own reporting. we revealed for the first time that one of the pieces of evidence the committee had found was that there was this nine second phone call placed from the white house switchboard to a convicted rioter. the team also found the kelly serve, while a high-ranking member of the oath keepers had communicated with the white house. when your colleagues at nbc spoke -- andrew giuliani, the son of rudy giuliani, a president trump lawyer who was at the time a white house official. i think this is all a dramatic

example of how the evidence i do know about shows that all these various characters, these plots, as katie pointed out, are sort of part of your natural prosecutorial procedure, are linked. when you start to scratch the surface, people from the white house fall out. people from congress fallout. now that the justice department has moved to the higher level at parts of this investigation, it could get really interesting. >> yes it can. and it more than likely will. jill wine-banks, hunter walker, katie benner, thank you so much for being with us tonight. really appreciate it. we'll continue our coverage of this breaking news next with congressman gerry connolly, a member of the house oversight committee. committee. it's time for theraflu hot liquid medicine. powerful relief so you can restore and recover. theraflu hot beats cold.

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louder than words. that's a lesson donald trump seems to be learning the hard way. just one month after announcing his 2024 presidential bid, trump's allies are nowhere to be found. kevin mccarthy, steve scalise, rick scott, josh hawley, and lindsey graham all want some major mockup players and cheerleaders, and now and when i say when it comes to voicing their support for his reelection campaign. in fact, just one gop senator has publicly endorsed trump. former football coach tommy tuberville of alabama. you may remember mr. tuberville for some comments he made earlier this year about reparations. the alabama senator claimed democrats only support reparations for the descendants of enslaved people because, quote, they think the people that do the crime are owed that. yeah. not quite the starting lineup mr. trump may have hoped for. instead of a swell of unity for trump, republicans seem to be

uniting against him. asa hutchinson called a trump biden rematch in 2024, quote, the worst scenario for republicans. hutchison has even hinted he may throw his own hat into the ring. here's what he told chuck todd this morning on meet the press. >> what is your timeline, and what would make you decide not to run for president? >> the fact that president trump has already announced accelerates everyone timeframe. so, the first quarter of next year, you either need to be in or at. and of course, an important factor is not what president trump is doing, necessarily, but what's the level of support out there? that's important to know. >> so, let's check on that support. the new poll found only 31% of voters have a favorable opinion of trump. that's his lowest favor billet-y reigning since july of 2015. that same poll found 25% of all

registered voters, and only 56% of republican voters, want trump as the 2024 nominee. another poll from usa today found that by a 2 to 1 margin, republican voters say they want trump's policies, but prefer a different candidate to carry them. so, could the main now dubbed the gop's biggest loser be setting himself up for another devastating loss? joining me now is democratic congressman gerry collin notley of virginia. congressman, good to see you. before we get into trump's rocky month, i want to ask you about the breaking news regarding the january 6th committee. trump's voice to the become the first president to be the subject of a criminal referral act from congress. what does that say to you and what do you make those recommendations? do you believe the doj will follow through? >> well, i think what it says is after exhaustive research,

after almost a universally praised process as one of the best select committees ever in the history of congress that is conducted itself with enormous propriety and care, a year plus worth of research, nine public hearings, and a report that will be released shortly, the bottom line is no one is above the law. do we accept that proposition or not? if we do, the evidence is overwhelming that donald trump has to face his reckoning. he's not about the law anymore than you arrive. he must be held accountable for crimes, conspiracy to overthrow the government in a free and fair election, for sedition, for incitement, for obstruction. those are important questions that have to be addressed.

i believe the enormous weight of evidence compiled by the select committee, the january six committee, points in that direction. election question, what will doj do with that -- my hope is doj will act on it. on the principle that nobody is above the law. everybody has to follow the law and be in countable when they don't. >> so. there seems to be a lot of accounting for trump both legally and politically as we see with the 2024 campaign starting the way i had. what's your impression, or what are you hearing among democrats, about the state of this campaign? and what is the assessment of the republican party as a whole? do you think that sooner or later it's gonna coalesce around him? or is this field, at least from a democratic perspective, one that could possibly be wide open? >> you know, most of us? were giddy at his campaign and nomination in 2016.

and we lived to really regret that giddiness. so i do think we need to have a word of caution here in underestimating trump himself as a candidate, and the enormous fervor of his base but he generates. having said that, what struck me in the data you showed was that number. 31%. 31% of voters have a favorable view of him. only 31%. and only 31% in the second poll you showed one him to run again. those are devastating numbers for donald trump. i think he's showing his normal chaos, and i think you are seeing some fractures, finally, and what had been a unified rough public in front. this culture of omerta, when it comes to donald trump. you say, see, hear no evil. he's just fine.

well, he's not. and i think republicans are finding there's actually an upside to criticizing him and calling him out when he crossed those lines, at this he did at mar-a-lago with white supremacists, and as he did in calling for the suspension or the elimination of the constitution. a constitution he swore an oath to uphold. >> in just a few short weeks, republicans will take control of the chamber you serve in, the house of representatives. they promised a tidal wave of investigations into the biden administration. hunter biden, anyone who they deem investigate-able. you're vying for the top democratic spot on the house oversight committee, which will play a very important role and fending off those investigations. talk to us a little bit about what you're thinking, how you're assessing strategically to deal with a hyper aggressive

far-right committee that's going for retribution blood? >> that committee that marjorie taylor greene has targeted as the committee she wants to get on. so, you're quite right. it's gonna be trench warfare. this is not an academic classroom exercise where we're debating principles. this is trench warfare. we democrats are gonna be defending a democratic white house and taking the fight to the republicans. that means we're gonna be disciplined, and we've been through this before. when obama was in the white house and we had in a -- minority, we had to fight republicans time and again against manufactured scandals and crises. fast and furious, irs scandals, you know, the benghazi crisis, and we clintons emails, on and on. i would point out not a single one of those so-called investigations or scandals

produced anything. contrast that with what you just described in terms of the january 6th committee, and what you described in terms of other legal battlefields for trump, whether it's his company, or his interference with elections, or his acolytes who are now subject to possible criminal prosecution. we have real scandals, and they're in the trump white house and the post trump white house, and they need to be looked at, and the oversight committee absolutely should be looking at it. that's not the game plan for the republicans. they want to distract us with somebody's laptop, or a stray email, so that maybe we'll forget about the actual direct dagger to the heart of democracy that donald trump represents. >> it looking at a very busy start to the new year, i'm sure. congressman gerry connolly, thank you so much as always. good to see you. >> thank you, mike. >> after the break, the biden administration goes on offense

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in america or for the world. for the world in that matter. it's often called histories oldest hatred. 2022 was a particularly challenging year for jewish americans. of course there's a high-profile skeptical of bigotry like donald trump donning a self proclaimed hitler leveller, kanye west, and holocaust denier nick fuentes. and there is a significant increase in antisemitic attacks in several major u.s. cities. there's also a surge in virtually all like -- in social media. you get the sense that something's changed. that there's something in the water. because the attacks seem cooler and more frequent. they seem conspiratorial versus a few years ago. fortunately, the white house is taking action this week. we're looking forward to president biden in forming a

new inter agency group to develop natural national strategy to confront and combat at the summit as a. it's led by the white house domestic policy and national security council. the body will work with community leaders, activists, and lawmakers to pushback on hate. and thank goodness for that. because historians will tell you, antisemitism is often a precursor to broader faults of political violence and instability. which we also saw quite a bit of this year. from the hiring attack on paul pelosi by deranged man wielding a hammer. to the far-right campaign to rally against the man now convicted of plotting to kidnap michigan governor -- and the torrent of threats often doused in racism, sexism, and homophobia, and directed at lawmakers across the country. let's make one thing clear, it's up to all of us to reject this. and to speak out against bigotry. because hate and conspiracy

will grow when left unchallenged. and soon, it won't be just jewish americans under threat. but the lgbtq community, people of color, women. and the lawmakers who seek to protect them. and ultimately, possibly, the very system itself. second gentlemen dog am off has been becoming the face of the white house fight against antisemitism. he held a roundtable this weekend to discuss the junction at which we find ourselves. at the event, hala cast scholar deborah lipstadt said. this antisemitism is the -- democracy, the antisemite believes that jews control the government. the press, the media, and therefore democracy is an illusion. but it must be destroyed. so, now antisemitism isn't just a problem for jewish people to reckon with. it's a danger to all of us.

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conversation. joining me now are julie -- senior vice president for national affairs at the atl. and kyle spencer author of raising the right, the untold story of america's ultraconservative youth movement and its plot for power. kyle, i think a lot of americans were shocked by what felt like a massive surge in antisemitism hitting the country this past year. when you look at for example, donald trump diming with hitler lovers, kanye west and nick fuentes, and increases and antisemitic attacks and rhetoric online. what's your assessment of what this is all about, and what's

behind, it what's pushing at? >> i think what we're seeing is a hate game, on some levels it's very personal, and there's hate against jewish people, is a very personal thing. but it's also kind of a broad attempt to just create scapegoats. i think particularly, with donald trump -- they're constantly trying to seek attention like you're looking for is to spoke fear, rage, and anger and trump has done that really well about what we're seeing is his power waning. and we see this desperate attempt to continue to stoke anxiety. unfortunately, jewish americans often play that terrible role. so, that's the kind of heart of what we're seeing right now. we're trying to find something to agitate people. and it's hateful, really hateful. >> george, the u.s. conference of mayors and the adl released a new mayor's compact to combat

hate and extremism, it was signed by a bipartisan group of 164 mayors can you talk about without that in the strategies and resolutions that are part of that. and what your group has seen since it was released. >> sure, let me start off with agreeing with my panelists here, kyle, in terms of her diagnosis of the problems set. michael, the mayor's compact that you alluded to wasn't something that we initiated last month, last week, last year. it's something we initiated in the days and weeks after the horrific display of antisemitism and bigotry that we saw in charlottesville, in august 2017. since then, adl has launched a formidable ground game. working with mayors and municipal leaders across the country. to amass a mix of ex practices and commitments really that leaders at the local level,

mayors, council members, local municipal leaders canada or to. and pledge themselves to combat these levels of antisemitism's, bias, and -- at all levels across the country. and the last point that all mention, in january, the natural conference of mayors is coming together in washington, d.c., and it will be working in conjunction with the national conference of mayors to lead this new push for mayors across the country want to be on the front lines, pushing against antisemitism, extremism in their city. >>, so kyle, the push against this, that -- all the resources that are playing put into educate americans are an important point. while that's happening, turning point usa's pointing a big america fest in phoenix. and everyone from kari lake, tucker carlson, to donald trump jr., will be there. so, you can anticipate a little bit of, noise.

what should we know about events like that? >> so, so the right-wing has been holding these types of events and trying to stoke rage, grow its following four years, and years. since trump was elected, those events become increasingly aggressive, angry, rayj, and veering away from conservative policy points. and veering towards culture war ranks and a lot of bashing of the local liberals, a lot of mockery. i think that what we're seeing in this particular event. i'm into a dozens of these events. i spent while working on my book, so much time at these events, what you saw during the trump years was these fantastic conference, concert like fiascoes. stuff that was almost cultish. what we're seeing, this year, is that there's 10,000 kids there. the turning point usually over plays its numbers. but it's fair to say, it's

vigor, and it's been in the past because they always seem to gather more followers. but, it's very dark, it's very apocalyptic, these kids don't look like they're having fun. it's very, better and i think that's extremely important for all of us to note. it's indicative of where the republican party is right now. they're grasping for straws, alienating people, and getting into this top bitter space that isn't really working. >> so, george how will the country respond to that and how this administration responds to events like this is very, very important. what do you make about the biden administration's efforts to set up a new inter agency to combat antisemitism? and what do you hope comes out of that? >> michael, i was in the room with the second gentleman representing deede all. and a range of other organizations that were there. as the second gentleman could've made this pledge, made this commitment. i heard firsthand from the

second gentleman, susan wright, and other leaders in the administration. that they've spoken out forcefully against this unprecedented pattern of anti-semitic and hate fueled number of incidences across the country. the strategy is a good step, i'll also added michael i think you'll appreciate this. particularly, in the weeks leading up to this i also saw the good opportunity to meet with senator langford, senator rosen, members of the house and senate caucus says, to combat antisemitism. there is bipartisan, bicameral unity around this. effort we need to take advantage of that as a country, when we have democrats and republicans in the house and senate as well as in the white house, unified behind a set of rules and principles, of standing up and speaking out against antisemitism, bias, bigotry, and all its forms. there's nothing we can't do, i want the momentum carries into an actual application, programs,

policies to allow the executive branch and state locals to do more to combat this epidemic we're facing. >> i couldn't agree with you more. the leadership voice in this narrative is so, so incredibly important. i appreciate you pointing that at. george salim, kyle spencer, thank you both very much for joining us. at the top of the next hour, more on the breaking news about the january six committees plants. we'll be right back. be right back. by treating my skin and joints. along with significantly clearer skin, skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after two starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi, 90% clearer skin and less joint pain is possible. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur.

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