>> that's it for me. i'm alicia menendez. now i hand it over to our coast to, who is in for mehdi. >> hey, alicia. i hope you're doing well. thanks again. take care. and good evening and welcome to ayman. i'm michael steele, in for my friend ayman mohyeldin. tonight, breaking from the january 6th committee, nbc news has exclusive new details about

what the panel will announce during their final public hearing tomorrow afternoon. plus, it seems no one wants trump to run in 2024. not even his friends. from terrible poll numbers to a lack of endorsements, it's bad news for the ex president. and the biden white house goes on offense. i will look at their plans to combat political violence and extremism. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and less than 24 hours, the january 6th committee is set to make history. nbc news has just learned that the committee met today, and has finalize plans to issue the following criminal referrals to donald trump, obstructing an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the government, and inciting or assisting in an insurrection. that means that trump will be the first president to ever be

the subject of a criminal referral from congress. and nbc news has also learned that the committee plans to refer several republican members of congress to the house ethics committee, for bucking their subpoenas from the committee. these favored developments make tomorrows already must-see final public committee hearing a truly blockbuster event. it will be a culmination of 18 months of investigating, 1200 plus witnesses, witness interviews, and depositions, over 1 million pages of records, and more than 100 subpoenas. but now, we have to remember here, all the committee can do tomorrow is lay out their case to the public. the committees criminal referrals technically carry no official legal weight. it's up to the doj to decide whether or not to charge trump or anyone else who might be referred by the committee. joining me now is nbc's aly battalion to walk us through this breaking news. ali, it's on you. what can you tell us? >> well michael, my colleagues

kate sanchez and haley talbot and i were all outside the committees meeting today as they huddled here behind closed doors on the capitol complex. but we are able to hear the rehearsal they were doing for tomorrow, including where they laid out the charges that they are likely to present against formal president donald trump. i can put them up for you on the screen, i know there's at least three of them they plan to refer. and it's gonna be for obstructing an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the government, and inciting or insisting an insurrection. that's one that's been sort of a live topic of conversation for the committee. our sources saying that's one that they did go back and forth on. whether or not they thought they had enough to actually refer trump for that. but it does seem that that's going to be something we'll hear from them tomorrow. there were also conversations around some of the criminal things that lawyer john eastman could've done. that certainly going to be something that we hear brought up tomorrow in this final meeting of the january 6th

committee. and then of course there is the question of what they're going to do with the republican lawmakers who defied their subpoenas. and now seems like it'll be overheard, congressman jamie raskin in the room, saying they're gonna refer for them to the house ethics committee. you'll remember, five republican lawmakers were subpoenaed, we can put them up for you there on the screen. among them is the likely house speaker, kevin mccarthy, of course, if he can get those 218 votes he needs just a few weeks from now. but we know that those lawmakers, or some of them, are going to be referred to the house ethics committee. it's notable, though, the house ethics committee is evenly divided between republicans and democrats. time for this congress is running out. so that's likely pretty too with this in terms of punishment for ignoring these subpoenas in the first place. and the other piece of this that it's important to remember, which i know you know so well, is that even though the committee does these criminal referrals, whether it's against trump, whether it's against anyone else they want to add to

the mix, they are not legal -- they don't carry legal weight. it doesn't mean just because congress sends this referral, doj has to act. in fact, doj remains its own independent entity and will make its decision as such. we also know that they've got all their own investigations happening concurrently right now. and so, that's another thing that's going to be factored into the process here. but again, monday's meeting is really a precursor. they'll lay out the public case, much of it are things that we've already heard from the committee over the course of the summer and the hearings we've already heard from them, based on the rehearsal i was hearing today, you're going to hear a lot of the same familiar themes, each member leading a specific portion, and then ultimately, they're going to release their final report on wednesday that's going to have all the transcripts, all the appendix is, a lot of things for united start going through. >> just in time for the holidays. >> of course, what more could you ask for? light reading from the committee. >> a stack of documents to read. nbc ali's vitali, always on top

of all things capitol hill. let's bring in our panel of experts, nbc -- and former watered a special prosecutor jill wine-banks. investigative reporter for talking points, hunter walker, an msnbc contributor and new york times justice times reporter, katie benner. jill, you know you are my go-to here. let's start with your reaction to the committee's plan to issue these criminal referrals. this is something that's really out of the box for us. is someth>> it is the first tit is the first time we've ever had a president, or a former president, who has done in office, and since leaving office, so many criminal acts. i think it was pretty much assumed for many weeks now that this would be the outcome. but now we know for sure that it is the outcome. i think that it is, as you pointed out, it is not legally compulsory for the department

of justice to do anything with the referral. they will make the decision independently based on the law and based on the facts. but based on what we've seen, the law and the facts come together here to show that all three of those crimes have been committed by donald trump, and by others around him. so, it'll be interesting to see who, besides donald trump, is referred for criminal prosecution. as well as for ethical violations within the house itself. >> so, katie, jill just kind of laid out the frame of reference here, what the impact of this could be. but here's the rub. these recommendations are just recommendations. these criminal referrals are just recommendations to the doj. based on your reporting, do you see the department taking up these referrals and actually doing something with them? >> the department's gonna take the referrals seriously. as you say, this is a historic moment. but the ongoing investigations

the department's been engaged in for more than a year, in the case of january 6th, two years, already covers the ground that the committee has covered. so it's not necessary for the committee to send these referrals over to the justice department, for the justice department to take a look at these statutes and see what it thinks. in some ways, the department has incentivized to try to create some distance between the referrals. keep in mind, one of the big sensitivities for this prosecution is that it could be called a political prosecution. that it could be democrats just trying to go after the leader of the republican party, to abuse the justice department, abuse the power of the justice department to get that done. the justice department is very cautious about making sure there is no even appearance of that conflict of interest. so they're gonna hold these sorts of referrals at arm's length, because this is coming coming from a political body, while bipartisan, mostly democrats. >> katie raises an interesting point here about how the justice department may approach

this and sort of do the heisman, sort of, keeping a little distance from it. what do you make of this move by the committee? and how do you see trump responding to all of this? >> well, i think you're right that it's obviously a little bit of a stiff arm. what i've heard from sources at the justice department if they've always been approaching this investigation as a very traditional criminal prosecution. where they sort of take a pyramidal structure and go from the bottom up, and you know, i think the appointment of jack smith has raised -- that they're looking at the higher levels of this. so it's already clear that they've been proceeding independently without the committee. i think this is more, you know, about the committee sort of trying to show something for all of these, you know, massive public hearings, these millions of lines of data that they have gone through. and you know, as everyone has pointed out, this is a little bit to this. but it also is about taking some kind of public acts.

on that front, it might be purely political, but that's always where trump wants to weigh in. so, i'm sure we'll see post on truth social and all sorts of other -- essentially what katie was a losing to, steaming these investigations in calling them a witch hunt as he has with every other probe. >> jill, let's do a little walk through scenario of what the doj could possibly do. but more importantly, how a committee is going to approach all of this, doing this sort of handing over to the doj. where do prosecutors start with this mountain of evidence? how do you think this plays out in light of what we just heard about the committee and the doj? >> first of, all let me say i agree with everything katie and hunter said. and we need to stress that the department of justice is conducting a wide ranging investigation already. it's clear from the subpoenas

they've issued that they're looking at not just the violence of january six, they're looking at everything else that is involved in the potential coup attempt by the trump administration basically. so, they're looking at all the pressure on the department of justice. they're looking at the pressure on the state legislatures. they're looking at all the aspects of the fake electors. they're subpoenaing the secretaries of state of a number of states. so, they were already there without any referral. but what they will be doing is they will now have 1000 witness depositions that have already been conducted. they're going to have to go through every bit of that, to make sure there's nothing inconsistent with the testimony they've already gathered in grand juries and fbi interviews. they will put it all together to determine whether there is any exculpatory evidence that now is something that they have

to consider in making a prosecution decision because the standard that they're held to, beyond a reasonable doubt, they have to prove a case in a much different way than just to the average citizen, who will vote based on whatever the information is. edthe record is important for te public, but it is very different for the department of justice and the standard that they have to meet. so, they're going to review this all very, very carefully, in a same way that i hope citizens will. but obviously with, you know, 1000 pieces of evidence, it's going to be very hard. and people are going to have to rely on the summaries. and we don't want the summary to get a head of all the information, which is important. but that's what's going to happen. so, they will be reviewing everything. >> so, katie, it looks like the january 6th committee is prepared to flip the script able bit, if you will. this is according to nbc news reporting. they also plan to refer

republican members of congress to the house ethics committee for bucking subpoenas issued to them. so, what kind of punishment could be in store for them? or will that be a dad? i mean, the house flips in january, so, there's all kinds of political scenarios and consequences from that. how do you see that piece of what the january six committee is about to do their stacking up? >> you know, i wouldn't want to say out of hand, that that is a meaningless gesture. i actually think it's very important, because it speaks to the broader mission of the january 6th committee, which is take a look and say what happened on january 6th, why did this attack happen, what are the consequences, what led up to it? looking at once colleagues and looking at their own ethical behavior is a piece of this broader investigation. it's something the committee needs to be able to get at, because as we've seen from all these investigations that are oftentimes political, sometimes there is not a -- sometimes there's not a law that's broken.

sometimes you can't rely just on the criminal code. you have to rely on norms and standards. and the committee in making these sorts of referrals is saying that they would also like congress to get back to a world of norms and standards, and that they should be highlighted. and not simply relying on what is legal and what is not in order to curtail certain kinds of unethical behavior. >> hunter, you've broke a massive new story this week. you obtain the over 2000 text messages trump's ex chief of staff mark meadows turned over to the house committee. what stood out to you in those messages, and whether any flashing red lights? >> well, you know on, the legal front, experts we spoke to, my colleagues and i had tp am, spent weeks sifting through these messages. one of the more problematic things as where we saw request for pardons from trump allies kind of mingled with their activision on the election. but we also saw, you flash

scott perry's picture on the screen. 34 members of congress texting about various plots, you know, to overturn the election result. and it showed that perry in particular was in the thick of some of these efforts to pressure local officials that we know have attracted the doj's interest. he is also pushing some of these, you know, plans to grab and seize machines or put them under, quote unquote, lock and key. so, all of this is in the evidence that, you know, was compiled by the committee, that reportedly has been handed over to the doj. i am also quite interested in the phone evidence compiled by the committee, which i covered a bit in my book, the breach, which i, co-wrote with one of the committee staffers, denver riggleman. and you look at, kind of, how the link maps built by the committee showing who texted, who texted who, show all these plans were linked directly by communications. whether it be the military operation, the political

operation that opposes in congress, or some of these legal strategies. so, i think the bottom line is if the doj really wants to dig deep, they will find that, you know, there was an overarching conspiracy behind all these different aspects of the plan. >> wow, wow, jill, hunter, katie, stick around, because we're going to continue this conversation right after a quick break. ick break. ♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ ♪holiday music playing♪ let's go! ♪♪ mom, let me see your phone. ♪♪ ♪♪

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conversation on the breaking january 6th committee news, let's not forget it's just one of many problems for trump. this week, special counsel blacks -- seven battleground states that were key in the trump's effort to overturn the 2020 election. state local election officials in georgia, nevada, new mexico, pennsylvania, arizona, michigan, and wisconsin all received subpoenas. jill wine-banks, hunter walker, and katie bennett are back with me right now. -- january six committee also discuss today john eastman's involvement in the conspiracy related to obstructing preceding. >> what do you make of that, and what do you expect, if anything, from that? >> john eastman is such a fascinating figure, because it's really difficult to know what he was saying to donald trump per se. he was certainly saying to his colleagues and other people that he didn't feel that some of these efforts to overturn

the election were going to work. in some cases, they weren't legally sound. so, he becomes very, like, interesting figure. again, what was he saying though to donald trump? because that's what, in some ways, matters most? we also know he's part of an inspector generals investigation over at the justice department, in which the justice department was being used and pressured in the white house by trump's allies to undo the election. of course, eastman did not work at the justice department, so he would not be the subject of the investigation. but you can imagine because he was in constant contact with many officials, he will resurface there. but we're not going to see a lot of john eastman and reports to come before we even see him in any kind of indictment, if that even happens. >> so, jill, you know, the republicans take over the house next year, as i mentioned before. could this republican run house do anything legally to offset, ignore, destroy [laughter] combat, destroy, the work of

the january 6th committee, throw it out? what can we expect from this congress >> there is one thing which i've done some research today, because neal katyal mentioned it when i was on him this morning. and it is alarming. and that is that they could start their own investigation, they could call witnesses, and witnesses could say i'm not going to testify, i'm taking the fifth. and they could immunize them. now, that's not a home run for them because they could only give you some unity. that means the person involved could still be indicted and tried for the crime, for the transaction that's involved. they just couldn't have their testimony used against them. and it requires that the congress go to a judge and ask for the right to do this, the right to give immunity. after having ten days notice to

the department of justice, and on the department can hold off on there doing that for at least 20 days. so, that gives them the total of 30 days to gather the evidence together. and this is something we did during watergate, before john dean testified, we were in touch with the senate, which was doing the investigation. and in the possibility that he would get immunity, we put together the evidence so that we could prove that any prosecution that we went forward with was based on evidence we had before his testimony. the other thing that makes this not as powerful a tool is that anybody can be prosecuted for perjury. so, if any of those witnesses lies, and remember how much evidence there is about what the truth is, if they don't tell the truth in their testimony, and they will be prosecuted for perjury before congress. so, it's not as strong a remedy as maybe the house would like.

but it is an impediment. it will cause a problem. it will make a confirmation to prosecution. >> hunter, picking up on joe's fine point, with the committee shuddering in january, what could senate democrats do? is there anything they could do to take up this work somehow? >> they might be able to. and i think we see a lot of indications that the republicans in congress might have a lot of motivation to try to shut this stuff down. because they're central to a lot of things that are being investigated. you know, i reviewed text messages in the last couple of weeks that showed andy biggs, you know, indicating that trump was telling him to pressure the governor of arizona. scott perry was connecting pennsylvania lawmakers and the trump legal team. so, you know, the house is quite compromised on this. and a republican majority is at the center of that issue. so, there may be some incentive

for, you know, senate democrats are trying to investigation of their own. but ultimately, i think it really does come down to the justice department for all of these reasons that we were outlining earlier. they are the ones who have the real power here. and i think, you know, since we've seen jack smith taking over the trump aspects of this investigation, we're going to be in a bit of a wait and see to see how he handles that. >> i want to pick up on the intro that we had about jack smith and the special counsel. what do you make of mr. smith issuing subpoenas in the seven battleground states at this time? the>> i think it makes sense. it feels like the next prosecutor who will store his step for anyone, leaves investigation, particular someone as thorough and fast moving out blacksmith's purported to be, and sources have told me he is. so, the justice department before the election, they had subpoenas requesting documents and papers they wanted to look through to see if there's any sort of predicate to continue the investigation, sort of see what they may find. the next logical step would be

to subpoena people for their testimony. but of course, we had the election so there was a pause. so, the fact that this was happening, basically, just a few weeks after the election, very shortly after jack smith was made the special counsel makes sense. he will try to pursue that testimony. he's going to be very aggressive about it. and i think we'll see him being particularly patient or coddling of witnesses. and he'll bring them in just to see if they have what to say. if they'll help the investigation, fantastic, if they don't, he won't move forward. >> hunter, we know from the january 6th committee investigation that the oath keepers communicated with the white house at several times, along with trump allies. how could that play into jack smith's investigation? and who potentially could be touched by that? >> well, you know, that's something that sort of came out of, frankly, the book i did the breach. and then also nbc's own reporting. you know, we revealed for the first time with one of the pieces of evidence the committee had found was that

there was this nine second phone call plays from the white house switchboard to a convicted rioter. the phone team also found that, you know, kelly sorrell, a pretty high ranking member of the oath keepers had communicated with the white house. when your colleagues at nbc spoke with sorrell, she revealed she was in touch with andrew giuliani, son of rudy giuliani, president trump lawyer and at the time a white house official. this is a pretty dramatic example of the evidence we do know about shows all these various characters, all these various plots, that is katie pointed out, are sort of part of your natural prosecutorial procedure are linked. when you start to scratch the surface, you know, people from the white house fall out. people from congress fallout. and now the justice department has moved towards the higher level parts of this investigation, it could get real interesting. >> as it can. and it more than likely will. jill wine-banks, hunter walker,

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for some comments he made earlier this year about reparations. the alabama senator claimed democrats only support reparations for the descendants of enslaved people because, quote, they think the people that do the crime are owed that. yeah. not quite the starting lineup mr. trump may have hoped for. instead of a swell of unity for trump, republicans seem to be uniting against him. asa hutchinson called a trump biden rematch in 2024, quote, the worst scenario for republicans. hutchison has even hinted he may throw his own hat into the ring. here's what he told chuck todd this morning on meet the press. >> what is your timeline, and what would make you decide not to run for president? >> the fact that president trump has already announced accelerates everyone timeframe. so, the first quarter of next year, you either need to be in or at. and of course, an important factor is not what president

trump is doing, necessarily, but what's the level of support out there? that's important to know. >> so, let's check on that support. the new poll found only 31% of voters have a favorable opinion of trump. that's his lowest favor billet -y reigning since july of 2015. that same poll found 25% of all registered voters, and only 56% of republican voters, want trump as the 2024 nominee. another poll from usa today found that by a 2 to 1 margin, republican voters say they want trump's policies, but prefer a different candidate to carry them. so, could the main now dubbed the gop's biggest loser be setting himself up for another devastating loss? joining me now is democratic congressman gerry collin notley of virginia. congressman, good to see you. before we get into trump's rocky month, i want to ask you about the breaking news

regarding the january 6th committee. trump's voice to the become the first president to be the subject of a criminal referral act from congress. what does that say to you and what do you make those recommendations? do you believe the doj will follow through? >> well, i think what it says is after exhaustive research, after almost a universally praised process as one of the best select committees ever in the history of congress that is conducted itself with enormous propriety and care, a year plus worth of research, nine public hearings, and a report that will be released shortly, the bottom line is no one is above the law. do we accept that proposition or not? if we do, the evidence is overwhelming that donald trump has to face his reckoning. he's not about the law anymore

than you arrive. he must be held accountable for crimes, conspiracy to overthrow the government in a free and fair election, for sedition, for incitement, for obstruction. those are important questions that have to be addressed. i believe the enormous weight of evidence compiled by the select committee, the january six committee, points in that direction. election question, what will doj do with that -- my hope is doj will act on it. on the principle that nobody is above the law. everybody has to follow the law and be in countable when they don't. >> so. there seems to be a lot of accounting for trump both legally and politically as we see with the 2024 campaign starting the way i had. what's your impression, or what are you hearing among democrats, about the state of this campaign? and what is the assessment of

the republican party as a whole? do you think that sooner or later it's gonna coalesce around him? or is this field, at least from a democratic perspective, one that could possibly be wide open? >> you know, most of us? were giddy at his campaign and nomination in 2016. and we lived to really regret that giddiness. so i do think we need to have a word of caution here in underestimating trump himself as a candidate, and the enormous fervor of his base but he generates. having said that, what struck me in the data you showed was that number. 31%. 31% of voters have a favorable view of him. only 31%. and only 31% in the second poll you showed one him to run again. those are devastating numbers

for donald trump. i think he's showing his normal chaos, and i think you are seeing some fractures, finally, and what had been a unified rough public in front. this culture of omerta, when it comes to donald trump. you say, see, hear no evil. he's just fine. well, he's not. and i think republicans are finding there's actually an upside to criticizing him and calling him out when he crossed those lines, at this he did at mar-a-lago with white supremacists, and as he did in calling for the suspension or the elimination of the constitution. a constitution he swore an oath to uphold. >> in just a few short weeks, republicans will take control of the chamber you serve in, the house of representatives. they promised a tidal wave of investigations into the biden administration. hunter biden, anyone who they

deem investigate-able. you're vying for the top democratic spot on the house oversight committee, which will play a very important role and fending off those investigations. talk to us a little bit about what you're thinking, how you're assessing strategically to deal with a hyper aggressive far-right committee that's going for retribution blood? >> that committee that marjorie taylor greene has targeted as the committee she wants to get on. so, you're quite right. it's gonna be trench warfare. this is not an academic classroom exercise where we're debating principles. this is trench warfare. we democrats are gonna be defending a democratic white house and taking the fight to the republicans. that means we're gonna be disciplined, and we've been through this before. when obama was in the white

house and we had in a -- minority, we had to fight republicans time and again against manufactured scandals and crises. fast and furious, irs scandals, you know, the benghazi crisis, and we clintons emails, on and on. i would point out not a single one of those so-called investigations or scandals produced anything. contrast that with what you just described in terms of the january 6th committee, and what you described in terms of other legal battlefields for trump, whether it's his company, or his interference with elections, or his acolytes who are now subject to possible criminal prosecution. we have real scandals, and they're in the trump white house and the post trump white house, and they need to be looked at, and the oversight committee absolutely should be looking at it. that's not the game plan for the republicans. they want to distract us with somebody's laptop, or a stray

email, so that maybe we'll forget about the actual direct dagger to the heart of democracy that donald trump represents. >> it looking at a very busy start to the new year, i'm sure. congressman gerry connolly, thank you so much as always. good to see you. >> thank you, mike. >> after the break, the biden administration goes on offense but combat antisemitism.

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in america or for the world. for the world in that matter. it's often called histories oldest hatred. 2022 was a particularly challenging year for jewish americans. of course there's a high-profile skeptical of bigotry like donald trump dining with self proclaimed hitler lover, kanye west, and holocaust denier nick fuentes. and there is a significant increase in antisemitic attacks in several major u.s. cities. there's also a surge in vitriol

against jewish people in social media. you get the sense that something's changed. that there's something in the water because the attacks seem crueler and more frequent. they seem conspiratorial versus a few years ago. fortunately, the white house is taking action this week. we're looking forward to president biden forming a new interagency group to develop a national strategy to confront and combat anti semitism it's led by the white house domestic policy and national security council. the body will work with community leaders, activists, and lawmakers to pushback on hate. and thank goodness for that. because historians will tell you antisemitism is often a precursor to broader forms of political violence and instability. which we also saw quite a bit of this year. from the harrowing attack on paul pelosi by a deranged man wielding a hammer, to the far-right campaign to rally against the man now convicted

of plotting to kidnap michigan governor gretchen whitmer, and the torrent of threats often doused in racism, sexism, and homophobia directed at lawmakers across the country. let's make one thing clear, it's up to all of us to reject this and to speak out against bigotry. because hate and conspiracy will grow when left unchallenged. and soon it won't be just jewish americans under threat. but the lgbtq community, people of color, women. and the lawmakers who seek to protect them. and ultimately, possibly, the very system itself. >> second gentleman doug emhoff, who is increasingly becoming the face of the white house's fight against antisemitism, held a roundtable this week to discuss the junction at which we find ourselves. at the event, holocaust scholar

deborah lipstadt said this. antisemitism is the death knell of democracy. the antisemite believes jews controls the government, the press, the media, and therefore democracy is an illusion. and then it must be destroyed. so no, antisemitism isn't just a problem for jewish people to reckon with. it's a danger to all of us. it is about time that every one of us get in the fight to stop it. we'll continue this conversation after the break. fter the break powerful relief so you can restore and recover. theraflu hot beats cold.

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conversation. joining me now is george saline, senior vice present for national affairs at the atl. and kyle spencer, author of raising them right, the untold story of america's ultraconservative youth movement and its plot for pile. kyle, i think a lot of americans were shocked by what felt like a massive surge in antisemitism hitting the country this past year. when you look at for example,

donald trump dining with hitler lovers kanye west and nick fuentes increases antisemitic attacks and hot rhetoric online. what's your assessment of what this is all about, and what's behind it, what's pushing it? >> i think what we're seeing is a hate game, on some levels it's very personal, and this hate against jewish people is a very personal thing. but it's also kind of a broad attempt to just create scapegoats. i think particularly, with donald trump, or some of these young activists who are constantly trying to seek attention, what they're looking for is to stop fear, rage, and anger. and trump has done that really, really well. but i think what we're seeing is power waning. and we're seeing these kind of desperate attempt to continue to stoke anxiety. and unfortunately, jewish americans often play that terrible role. so, that's kind of the heart of

what we're seeing right now let's try to find something to agitate people. and it's hateful, really hateful. >> george, the u.s. conference of mayors and the adl released a new mayor's compact to combat hate and extremism, it was signed by a bipartisan group of 164 mayors can you talk about without that in the strategies and resolutions that are part of that. and what your group has seen since it was released. >> sure, let me start off with agreeing with my panelists here, kyle, in terms of her diagnosis of the problems set. michael, the mayor's compact that you alluded to wasn't something that we initiated last month, last week, last year. it's something we initiated in the days and weeks after the horrific display of antisemitism and bigotry that we saw in charlottesville, in august 2017. since then, adl has launched a formidable ground game. working with mayors and

municipal leaders across the country. to amass a mix of ex practices and commitments really that leaders at the local level, mayors, council members, local municipal leaders can adhere to. and pledge themselves to combat these levels of antisemitism's, bias, and -- at all levels across the country. and the last point that all mention, in january, the natural conference of mayors is coming together in washington, d. c., and it will be working in conjunction with the national conference of mayors to lead this new push for mayors across the country want to be on the front lines, pushing against antisemitism, extremism in their city. >>, so kyle, the push against this, that -- all the resources that are playing put into educate americans are an important point. while that's happening, turning point usa's pointing a big america fest in phoenix. and everyone from kari lake,

tucker carlson, to donald trump jr., will be there. so, you can anticipate a little bit of, noise. what should we know about events like that? >> so, so the right-wing has been holding these types of events and trying to stoke rage, grow its following four years, and years. since trump was elected, those events become increasingly aggressive, angry, rayj, and veering away from conservative policy points. and veering towards culture war ranks and a lot of bashing of the local liberals, a lot of mockery. i think that what we're seeing in this particular event. i'm into a dozens of these events. i spent while working on my book, so much time at these events, what you saw during the trump years was these fantastic conference, concert like fiascoes. stuff that was almost cultish. what we're seeing, this year, is that there's 10,000 kids there. the turning point usually over

plays its numbers. but it's fair to say, it's vigor, and it's been in the past because they always seem to gather more followers. but, it's very dark, it's very apocalyptic, these kids don't look like they're having fun. it's very, better and i think that's extremely important for all of us to note. it's indicative of where the republican party is right now. they're grasping for straws, alienating people, and getting into this top bitter space that isn't really working. >> so, george how will the country respond to that and how this administration responds to events like this is very, very important. what do you make about the biden administration's efforts to set up a new inter agency to combat antisemitism? and what do you hope comes out of that? >> michael, i was in the room with the second gentleman representing deede all. and a range of other

organizations that were there. as the second gentleman could've made this pledge, made this commitment. i heard firsthand from the second gentleman, susan wright, and other leaders in the administration. that they've spoken out forcefully against this unprecedented pattern of anti-semitic and hate fueled number of incidences across the country. the strategy is a good step, i'll also added michael i think you'll appreciate this. particularly, in the weeks leading up to this i also saw the good opportunity to meet with senator langford, senator rosen, members of the house and senate caucus says, to combat antisemitism. there is bipartisan, bicameral unity around this. effort we need to take advantage of that as a country, when we have democrats and republicans in the house and senate as well as in the white house, unified behind a set of rules and principles, of standing up and speaking out

against antisemitism, bias, bigotry, and all its forms. there's nothing we can't do, i want the momentum carries into an actual application, programs, policies to allow the executive branch and state locals to do more to combat this epidemic we're facing. >> i couldn't agree with you more. the leadership voice in this narrative is so, so incredibly important. i appreciate you pointing that at. george salim, kyle spencer, thank you both very much for joining us. at the top of the next hour, more on the breaking news about the january six committees plans. we'll be right back. ♪holiday music playing♪ [baby yawning] let's get you home for the holidays. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪

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