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release donald trump's personal tax returns. our political and legal team is here standing by, so let's get right to it. i'm lindsey reiser in for hallie jackson, and let's go into the hearing right now. >> 6103, given the confidential nature of the subject matter, i now move that pursuant to claus 2g1 of house rule 11, the committee proceed to executive session. mr. chairman if i may be recognized. mr. chairman i ask unanimous consent if any taxpayer information is public as a result of the mark of today, the entirety of today's executive transcript be made public as well. this transparency is precedent as we've discussed in 2014 and 2019. >> i think we're in broad agreement with the gentleman's request. is there any objection? hearing none, the question is on the ranking member's request that the documents -- not the

documents, that the proceedings be made public at the appropriate time based upon availability. all in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? so ordered. now, as we proceed to executive session i would ask that the room be cleared. and as we clear the room, then we're going to give some time to make sure that our guests leave. >> just a brief remarks there, but i want to bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, investigative reporter for the "new york times," suzanne craig, former republican congressman from florida who served on that very committee, ways and means, carlos curbelo, now an msnbc political analyst, along with msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos we heard some

brief comments from the chairman and the ranking member. what should we expect to see and hear over the next hour? >> reporter: lindsey that one happened fast. we see them getting right to business, clearing media from room as they enter this executive session behind closed doors and what members said on their way in, one democratic member, for example, said that anything they decide to release today will be put out expeditiously, certainly time has been a factor here, especially for a committee and a chairman who's waited years to get these returns after requesting them back in 2019, so certainly the culmination of a lot of work, and when you talk to chairman richie neal here in the halls of congress, which many of us have about this, he can't say much, but what he can say is it's important for him to follow this through, this hearing now the natural culmination of that work. in terms of what we might actually see from this if they decide to release the trump tax returns, i can put up for you on the screen some of the things that might be in there, and suzanne certainly can speak to

this as well. the idea that we'll see totally yearly income and what he paid on those finances as well as the state of his finances while he was president. there's also going to be the net reported losses, any conflicts of interest, certainly that's one of the key points that democrats have been looking for, and then the interest or control of foreign bank accounts, sources of income, charitable contributions and insight into the irs audit, all of that something that's important in the eyes of democrats who want to see this released. the republican view on this is that this sets a precedent that they're concerned about in terms of going after the returns of private citizens, but certainly this is a man who was the president of the united states, and it is very traditional for presidential candidates to release their returns before getting into office so certainly this would just put trump in line with the rest of the people who have run for that office that he won. >> so ali kind of talked about

some of the political implications. what kind of legal exposure would the release of these tax returns bring for the former president? >> they could expose him to all kinds of liability. consider in new york he's already being investigated for supposedly pumping up his value when he needed loans and decreasing his value when it came time to pay taxes, so that's just one example of the problems, and that's why we generally keep tax returns under lock and key. these are not the sort of things that are normally liberally released. and in fact, the ways and means committee is relying on a very old provision of the tax code that allows them to examine individual returns, and at least as for a reason they need a legislative purpose, they're saying that they're examining these returns to consider whether or not there should be rules about presidents releasing their tax returns. but every taxpayer should have some concern about an expanded situation where people's tax

returns could be released to the public. because they reveal so much about our private life. >> congressman curbelo, we're going to see the committee again after this closed-door meeting. you were on the ways and means committee. can you tell us what is going on behind closed doors right now? what do you think their private conversation will be like? >> so lindsey, this is actually something rare for the ways and means committee to do. the committee doesn't regularly meet behind closed doors because it's a committee that doesn't really handle classified information. it's typically congressional committees that handle classified information that meet in these kinds of executive sessions. but they're going to have the debate behind closed doors as to whether this information should be released to the public, how much of it should be released to the public, if they're not going to release all of it, and republicans will very likely be making the arguments that you've been hearing in recent weeks that this does set a dangerous precedent that perhaps even

though we think donald trump should have disclosed his tax returns, that the law does not require him to do so. so that whole debate that we would typically see in public, that's a debate that these members are going to have in private, and then they will emerge with a decision. >> suzanne, "the new york times" has covered and released a set of tax returns most recently from 2018. what's not in those that the committee as well as journalists and everyday americans could take an interest in if more are released? having a tough time with your audio. >> oh, sorry about that. we had -- i was going to say we had his tax returns when we had almost 20 years set, there were thousands of corporate tax returns, and his personal tax returns. that was up until 2018. for the window that's going to be released today, they have 2015 to 2020. they have a smaller universe,

but we're going to see two or three more recent years, and i think the main -- you know, i don't think we're going to see anything new in terms of, you know, we learned from that information that he loses money pretty much every year and i don't think we're going to see a break in that trend, but i think what i'm looking for is just more information on the irs audit. i mean, we learned from our reporting that there's a massive audit underway, and if it goes against him, it could cost, you know, now with penalties it's upward of $100 million. it's large. we don't know if it's been settled and we also don't know if there's other irs issues that he's now facing, you know, in the last year or two. so i think there could be a lot come out there. that's kind of the main thing i'm looking for. i'm not imagining we're going to open them and find just fraud is going to jump out. we didn't see that in the information we had, and i'm not thinking that it's going to happen now. but the irs audit is definitely what i'm watching for. >> and congressman curbelo, i

want to play a little bit of republican ranking member from that house ways and means committee press conference before that brief meeting. let's play it. >> if taken, this committee action will set a terrible precedent that unleashes a dangerous new political weapon that reaches far beyond the former president and overturns decades of privacy protections for average americans that have existed seasons the watergate reforms. >> so congressman curbelo, i want to talk about that idea, this precedent setting especially with the house going to be under republican majority, but also say the returns show that former president trump has made little to no income tax. he says that that makes him smart. do you think that that makes it harder for republicans to defend him? >> well, lindsey, i think there's two very different matters that we're exploring here. number one, yes, donald trump

should have followed the tradition of almost every presidential candidate over the last few decades and publishes tax returns for the sake of transparency, for the sake of the american people knowing exactly how he made his money and if he was taking advantage of certain loopholes. that's number one. what kevin brady is saying is also true. i mean, will is a possibility here that we fall into a slippery slope situation where now republicans start looking for ways or for reasons to go after democrats and publish their tax returns, and it doesn't only have to be presidential candidates. it could be members of congress. it could be other prominent democrats. so that is a legitimate concern and at the end of the day, it is true that the law does not require any american, even the president to publish his or her tax returns. now, regarding what's in the returns, i don't think republicans are going to be able

to defend donald trump very much because we can assume that he hasn't paid very much in taxes and while it might be legal, it's certainly not going to look good. i don't think the average american is going to celebrate or like the fact that a billionaire doesn't contribute anything to the federal treasury. so i don't think republicans are going to be defending him. you see republicans defending donald trump less and less every day, i think we can expect that trend to continue, but i do think they will continue attacking this process. >> is it possible these returns will pose more questions than answers for congressional investigators? what are some of those questions and how can they get answers? >> all of those agencies will be interested, both state and federal to the extent they haven't already obtained some of that information another way, the tax returns represent a citizen's commitment to certain financial statements.

in other words, you're committing to your income, you're making a statement. the challenge is that slippery slope. how do we apply this to all americans? because the tax code requires each of us to submit very private financial information to the government every year, and so if released what does that say about that submission? we're giving, entrusting it to the government, and then it's released and prosecutors, both the state and federal and in this case donald trump, even congressional investigators can comb through it for data or information that they can use against you. and that may be fine for trump right now because he's such a unique potential defendant, but it is a valid point that from a -- at least from a criminal defense perspective, the notion that the fourth amendment itself would allow prosecutors to just say, hey, instead of searching, getting a search warrant, we can just bypass that and seek to get your tax returns released. it sounds extremist but again,

it's a slippery slope argument. >> the congressman talked about how rare something like this is for the committee. any idea how long this executive session will last? >> talk of the way this is going to go for the rest of the time. i can pull up for you sort of like the process that ere woo about to embark on here. we've seen the first few steps of it. of course gaveling in, voting to go into executive session, and then of course the committee is going to vote on releasing these returns, go on a recess, come back into open session, and tell us what they voted on. that's what dan kildee said to us on the way in comes into play about the expeditious release, if they decide to release these returns. all of that is coming in the coming hours. we do also expect at some point to see chairman richie neal. he's going to speak with reporters about whatever this decision is, and frankly, for a man who's been followed around this building by his lawyers making sure that he doesn't say anything that runs afoul of the

rules governing this process, that's probably going to be a pretty unburdened moment for him, despite the fact that he has taken this process very seriously and has repeatedly said to us at every turn just how by the book he has wanted to do this. i do think, though, if we're looking at -- we talked about the legal point, but the larger politics point here and whether or not republicans will defend trump, i think just more broadly, this is yet another example after a day yesterday when he got criminal referrals on multiple fronts from the january 6th committee, we'll hear more about them op on wednesday when we get the final report, if there's any wrongdoing to be found in there, every day that is dominated by a trump news cycle for republicans puts them in a tough spot because most of the republican lawmakers that i asked about this say that they would rather not about it trump. they're focused on what it's going to be like to have control of this body, to have control of the house gavel, and to embark on their own kinds of

investigations that they would like to embark on. those are things that track with things that trump popularized, things like hunter biden's laptop or attacking anthony fauci, members of the biden administration. all of that is red meat for the base. it's sort of like they're trying to go forward with trumpism, even if it's maybe without trump or without talking about him ad nauseam every time he's in the news. >> ali vitali, suzanne craig, carlos curbelo and danny cevallos, thank you all. what you need to major wint plus, an effort to save supply at cvs and walgreen's after they said they limit sales of children's medication, while covid, flu, and rsv soar. our team has the latest details in the show. but first, we just learned two americans held by the taliban in afghanistan have been released. what we know in 60 seconds. eful. full plate. wait, are you my blind date? dancing crew. trip for two. nail the final interview.

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released two americans being detained in afghanistan. here's spokesperson ned price. >> we are in a position to welcome the release of two americans, two u.s. nationals from detention in afghanistan. we are providing these two u.s. nationals with all appropriate assistance. they will soon be reunited with their loved ones, and we are absolutely gratified to see that. >> the state department says it was not a prisoner swap, and appears to be a goodwill gesture by the taliban, but officials point out it comes the same day the country banned women from attending universities. nbc's monica alba is at the white house. what can you tell us about these two americans and their release? >> reporter: i was just told moments ago that the white house is very pleased to learn about this and at this time and out of privacy for both of the u.s. nationals, they're not going to be confirming names or talking more about their specific cases,

but it's that context that you just provided that is important to remind viewers of here. this was not any kind of a negotiated prisoner exchange. it's not like we let someone go that the taliban then got custody of in exchange for these two americans so different than the conversation we've been having over the last couple of weeks that, of course, saw brittney griner come home earlier this month after she was involved in that prisoner exchange with russia. so this is a different situation, but the state department there saying that of course the irony is not lost on them that on the very day this good news came to the surface, the taliban also banned women from attending university. so they were quick to condemn that while also appreciating the fact that these two americans can now be reunited with their families soon. it comes against the backdrop of the biden administration continuing to negotiate for americans they feel are wrongly detained around the world. u.s. officials have been in meetings continually trying to see if they can negotiate the

release of paul whelan, a marine and businessman who was detained in russia. of course there was some talk he was maybe going to be a part of the exchange with brittney griner. that didn't end up happening. they're still working on that case, and the white house briefed the family members on the latest efforts to do just that in the last couple of weeks. >> monica alba, thank you so much. right now, the clock is ticking for the biden administration. it has less than two hours to respond to the supreme court over its move to temporarily block the end of title 42. the covid era border restriction was supposed to expire tomorrow, but for now the supreme court is allowing it to remain in place. i want to go ahead and bring in nbc's kara lee near the white house and guad venegas is now in see ewe dad juarez, mexico. the administration has to respond by 5:00 p.m., what are we expecting to hear when they do? >> if you look at where their

position has been in the past, they've been consistent and so if that's to be our guide here, they're not expected to ask for a stay. and what we've heard from the administration instead is that they have a plan for dealing with this. they plan to roll that out as this unfolds. they don't know if this is -- that's going to be tomorrow or when that might happen in the future, but they are planning on rolling out a plan, and we don't know exactly what's in that. there are some elements we are aware of. one thing that officials have said is that there are pieces of it that would go into effect regardless of when title 42 is lifted, but then there are provisions that are specifically tailored to the lifting of title 42. we also know they're expected to readopt this trump era policy in terms of migration, although the administration says that they are not going to do that unilaterally. it will be part of a broader plan that expands access to different pathways for migrants. so there's a number of moving parts here.

what we know from the administration, what they've consistently said is that this is something they're prepared to deal with. i have one white house official that said to me that they expect this to be messy for a couple of weeks, but that once their plan goes into effect this will wind up being better. >> sounds like quite a loud siren in carol lee's shot. guad, thousands of migrants were hoping to claim asylum once title 42 ended. this back and forth i imagine is leading to a lot of confusion. >> reporter: lindsey, it is. there's a few things happening at the border that it's difficult to understand. so one thing, we've seen thousands of migrants cross the border illegally and turn themselves in to american authorities. a lot of them being processed and released. those are the images we're seeing in el paso and other places. these are asylum seekers in the united states. under title 42, federal authorities are allowed to expel them. this is also happening. so some of the migrants that cross and get processed are immediately expelled.

before i get more into that, i want to show you what's changed here. national guard is now here. state troopers have arrived, they were not here yesterday. we saw a lot of people turn themselves in. in front of the national guard troops you can see groups of migrants that have been stopped, that barbed wire was installed today. they are telling them this is not a port of entry. go to a port of entry. this is not a legal place of entry into the united states, and these are the asylum seekers, the migrants that have been stopped. this just began this morning. now, going back to what happens to those that cross and turn themselves in, like i said, it's a lot of moving pieces. we know that migrants from venezuela under the current policy, they are expelled and have to begin a different process. they're allowed to remain in the united states and seek their asylum process. there's a gentleman we met here, edgar, he crossed last night, asked for asylum and he was turned away. [ speaking non-english ] >> so at 1:00 a.m., he was turned back. they gave him a bag.

that's all he has for his trip. he's got some medication for his stomach, a bible, and he said he wanted asylum. he's from guatemala, and it didn't work out, so as ann example of an individual who has been expelled into mexico. he was not allowed to continue the asylum process. that's something that is allowed under title 42. and there's also people that have been processed and are in the united states that will continue that asylum seeking process. now, i wanted to go over this because it is important to explain all the moving parts here at the border. now, the people that they say that are waiting could be people like him who are waiting for title 42 to be lifted so that they can turn themselves in, request asylum, and perhaps not be expelled as fast. so difficult to understand everything that's happening, but this is what the border is like here in ciudad juarez, south of el paso. >> express our gratitude for sharing his story, a bible, a passport and medication for his stomach like you said.

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for the defense department. there will also be increased aid to ukraine. that is something that lawmakers are concerned about, could end up being on the cutting room floor when republicans take control of the house next year, so they want to get this in now. it will also include things that aren't explicitly connected to spending like reforms to the electoral count act and some other provisions as well. this is a big bill, thousands and thousands of pages, $1.7 trillion in spending, but it is something that lawmakers are pleased to put in the rearview mirror as they head into a new congress at the beginning of next year. >> ryan nobles, thanks so much. staying on capitol hill, the january 6th committee is preparing to publish its final report tomorrow, which will officially wrap up its nearly 18 months long investigation into the attack on the capitol. it comes after the committee unveiled historic criminal referrals against donald trump to the doj. we should note the referrals carry no legal weight. for his part, the former president responded by attacking the committee and the fbi for what he calls a partisan attempt

to sideline him in his 2024 presidential bid. joining me now nbc's vaughn hillyard outside mar-a-lago in west palm beach. so vaughn, let's go through the numbers here. it's been 35 days since donald trump launched his campaign. he's held zero events. his polling numbers are low, a quinnipiac poll shows his favorability 31%, and now there are four criminal referrals. what is it like inside donald trump's world right now? >> reporter: it's quiet inside of mar-a-lago, the private estate or the private golf club or the private club i should say where he has only left twice since launching that presidential bid and as you said, at no public events. for donald trump, just to give you an idea where his mind is at, he just posted in the last hour, quote, in addition to everything else our government through the fbi rigged the 2020 presidential election. so if you were looking for somebody who was potentially going to try to deny a lot of what the january 6th select

committee laid out yesterday, that would suggest otherwise. this is an individual who has continued to justify his actions after the 2020 election, the lead up to january 6th and after the january 6th attack on capitol hill. as for these tax returns, you know, covering donald trump over these last years, we heard consistently him continually put out the idea that he was being audited by the irs and that is why he was not releasing the tax returns, even though every other presidential candidate before him has done so. and now the big question is what is in those tax returns. you know, if you -- i would like to read a quote from back in early 2016, quote, maybe it is a case that donald, there have been multiple media reports about dounld's business dealsings with the mob, with the mafia. the fact that donald seems terrified to release his taxes suggests that there's a bombshell there. who was that quote from in early 2016? none other than texas senator ted cruz. so, yes, six years have come and

gone between that quote and now, but these tax returns have been what many, including his one-time republican rivals have even been waiting for. the question now is exactly what is in them, lindsey. >> a quote from the political vault. vaughn hillyard, thank you. next, the big winter storm potentially throwing a wrench in your holiday travel plans. our team has the latest forecast after the break. after the break. what will you do? ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan,

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midwest. today is the last day of easy travel. tomorrow that changes as snow breaks out. snow shown in the blue to minneapolis to des moines, as we get through the evening, that's when your snow begins. then the storm intensifies, kansas city early, and then the snow, st. louis, breaks out. then a couple inches st. louis, all the way through illinois, and chicago through the evening. at the same time, rain begins. heavy rain the at times, d.c. to new york to 6:00 p.m., d.c. noon-ish or so. that rain continues friday along with strong gusty winds that's bad enough with high volume to cause delays and cancellation but blizzard conditions, you're not wanting to travel chicago, minneapolis, northern ohio, even erie to buffalo on friday. it's go to be impossible for the plows to keep up. winds are going to be blowing 50 to 60 miles per hour.

it's going to be a may have extreme weather event. by 6:00 p.m. on friday, all of the northeast into the 50s. windchill at zero by about midnight. it's going to be a shock for the system and whatever water's left over will freeze. that's a concern on the sidewalks and roadways. here's the snow forecast. it's more like the winds and cold temperatures along with the snow that's going to cause all the problems. the highest total anywhere in blue, 3 to 6 inches, that's a huge area from minneapolis, des moines, st. louis, pittsburgh, and up to a foot of snow in areas where we're worried about power outages. imagine going through the holiday weekend with no power on christmas. i think we'll have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people, potentially, without power for the upcoming weekend. if that's not enough, we also have the arctic outbreak behinds. this is coming all the way to the gulf coast. windchill, friday morning,

dallas, negative 2, new orleans, 32. north city, negative 4. even orlando will be at 24 windchills on christmas eve. >> i'm speechless. bill karins, ron allen, thank you both. two major pharmacy chains cvs and walgreens are now limiting the amount of children's cold and flu meds you can buy the tripledemic of respiratory viruses has pharmacies struggling to keep up with demand for tylenol and motrin. joining me is nbc news' dasha burns. dasha, i talked about the issue, the companies not correctly forecasting here. are these manufacturers ramping up supply? >> well johnson & johnson say they're trying to ramp up

supplies really quickly. we hear stories, everything from toilet paper, remember, at the beginning of the pandemic, and baby formula more recently. experts are saying this is more like the toilet paper shortage, remember, everyone was running out. >> panic buying. >> exactly. exactly. what we do have is this confluence of rsv in children that we've been talking about on the air, the flu and covid all coming all at once. and kids who have been not really exposed to the outdoors. a lot of other kids to big crowds in a long time. immune systems are low. this rise in demand just happens so sharply because all three of these diseases, the tripledemic as they're calling it, they're happening right now. so, if you are a parent with a sick kid. there are things you can do if you go to the pharmacy and you see the shelves are empty. first, look at the generic alternatives to motrin and tylenol, they're just as effective. you might also be able to use

the adult version. talk to your pharmacist. also fevers, if your body is trying to fight the infection, as long as your child isn't in extreme discomfort, you can go with old school, popsicles, cold on the head. of course, for babies, fevers, take them to the hospital. but there are alternatives. members of congress are having the fda to investigate this as well. >> as the parent of a 9-month-old who baby is crying in the middle of the night, you want to do whatever you can to help them. do you have any idea in terms of months, this is going to last, where we go as far as the pharmacy, where we'll see that? >> well, the fda says it's not actually a widespread shortage. it's piecemeal. some pharmacies may not be having this issue. walgreens is not having the

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brand-new reporting on the various january 6th investigations. punchbowl news reporting that the house select committee is now extensively cooperating with the doj special counsel jack smith. he's charged with overseeing investigations into former president trump. smith sent the committee a letter asking for all of their materials. a letter that punchbowl news has reviewed. according to punchbowl, starting last weeker the committee started sending the special counsel's team documents and transcripts. i want to bring in heather cable, managing editor for punchbowl. so, heather, what you can tell us here about the cooperation between the committee and the doj. >> well, i want to start by saying the cooperation is pretty significant. i mean, doj has asked for months for the panel to share its evidence. they have thousands of pages of

documents related to trump and allies on efforts to delay certification of the january 6th insurrection. for months, the january 6th committee has refused to cooperate with doj's probe. they've essentially stone walled the justice department for them to change their posture in the remaining weeks before the committee winds down its work, and starting sending transcripts, sending evidence and text messages from former white house chief of staff mark meadows, this is a pretty significant development as the panel prepares to send its final report, tomorrow, release it and wind up its work before republicans take over the house. >> so why now then? >> that's a great question. i think part of it is a lot of this evidence was going to be released in one way or another. as i said, the panel is preparing to wind up, so they are going to start dumping out their final report tomorrow. and then they are going to start releasing transcripts and other

evidence as, you know, the days go on, as they can produce these things. but a lot of that being said, i think, you know, talking to people that are close to the panel and close to the decision that was made, they released a specific set of transcripts and interviews to doj, because they wanted to point them in a specific direction before all of these hundreds of thousands of pages potentially came out. i think they wanted to say here is a lot of the critical evidence that we have uncovered. here's what we really think can help you in your investigation, as it really heats up and gets under way. and here's what we want to point you to. >> what does it tell you since punchbowl has reviewed the letter of what the special counsel is requesting? what does that tell you about not only the breadth of their investigation, but maybe the point at which they are in the investigation? >> so, you know, i actually reviewed the letter as we said in our report. the letter itself is not too long. it's just a few photographs. special counsel jack smith, he sent it to the committee on

december 5th. and it basically says we want everything that you have. all documents, all transcripts of interviews, any other evidence. and it doesn't really shed any light into where the special counsel is in their probe, or how far along that is. what we do know from other reports that's come out recently is that, you know, this special counsel is really working hard as it considers these investigations into former president donald trump. we saw two top white house lawyers testify before a grand jury earlier this month. there were several subpoenas that were sent to local officials potentially involved in trying to overturn the election results in recent weeks. so this is just one aspect of the special counsel's probe. but i think, you know, in terms of gathering evidence, and witness transcripts and things like that, this could help in terms of speeding the investigation along. >> got to be quick with you here on this, but the house panel also shared transcripts of interviews with several witnesses related to that fakes

elector scheme in the efforts by former president trump and his allies to pressure states to overturn their election results, specifically in georgia. what should we read into that? >> you know, i think that's for everyone, the viewers, to decide but if i were looking at it, i would say that's kind of an obvious focus of the special counsel probe. and we know that the special counsel has reached out to some of these same witnesses that were interviewed by the january 6th committee. and will probably be cross-checking what the interviews said in their interviews with any outreach they had. >> punchbowl managing editor heather cable, thank you so much. >> that's it for me. "deadline: white house" starts right after this quick break. rek

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