tv Chris Jansing Reports MSNBC December 21, 2022 10:00am-11:00am PST
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exclusively on former president trump and the allegation that he incited the january 6th riot to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power and did nothing to stop it once it began. now the question is what will the full eight chapters of the final report tell us about outstanding issues. does the committee point the fing at intelligence failures before the insurrection and the delay is in laurmt and the national guard to respond. and questions of possible pressure on witnesses to ignore subpoenas or not tell everything they knew. >> i think there's going to be more material to keep folks like yourself and the interest of public on the edge of their seat. >> plus donald trump's taxes returns set to be released public today or tomorrow after years of legal fights that he held all the way to the supreme court to deny democrats access to husband first bases. already they have learned that the irs under trump failed its
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yearly requirement to audit his returns and only began on the very day that democrats first demanded to see the required presidential audits. they also show that he paid no federal taxes in 2020. and had wild swings in his financial fortunes while in office. raising serious questions about his claims and write offs. and the historic surprise visit from ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy. you see his motorcade arriving minutes ago in the u.s. less than an hour ago. and here's video of that motorcade in washington. the president of ukraine in downtown washington, his first visit since vladimir putin invaded on february 24th last year. another $44 billion in aid for his country, zelenskyy is going to address congress in person a little more than six hours from now. and he will meet with president
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biden at the white house next hour. but we begin with the full january 6th committee report about to be released. members suggesting that the summary released was the tip of the iceberg. the report expected to provide a much fuller piture of what happened before, during and after january 6th it could also shed new light on the investigation itself with witness transcripts expected to supply new details from critical testimony of key witnesses like mark meadows' aid cassidy hutchinson and fuel new questions about the credibility of witnesses like deputy chief of staff, former secret service tony ornato. i'm joined by ali vitali, justice correspondent ken dilanian, politico bureau chief jonathan lemire, senior fbi official chuck roseberg, former
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general counsel and senior member of the mueller probe andrew wiesman, and former supervisor rob demico. what a wealth of talent. ali vitali, let's start with setting the scene for us. what is the mood like on capitol hill anticipating this report with all the other events that they are working on. the any bus, the tax returns, pretty shocking. what slt talk about that report that the committee you have been covering constantly for so many months? >> nobody is bored here on capitol hill. no surprise given the list of things you just laud out between trump's taxes and the joint meeting tonight with volodymyr zelenskyy coming here to the united states to address congress. but this january 6th committee report we have known it's coming. we're going to see hundreds and hundreds of pages of material. the ought chapters of the written report, yes, but also looking at what's attached to
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that, specifically the transcripts and the underlying evidence gathered by this committee in the 18 months that they have been investigating january 6th and the former president's role in that insurrection we know on the criminal referral front that trump and husband lawyer were referred to the department of justice by this committee on monday. but you're right, the things that we're looking for are the key moments from those hearings, more fully flushed out, being able to read the full trupts from people like pat cipollone, but also the moments there height be discrepancies between what players told the committee ask what people lower on the chain of command in the white house told them as well. at one point in the executive summary, lawmakers advised we should compare the transcripts of people, like those recall less details than some of the aids in the white house. it was contradicted by people
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who gave testimony to the committee. so being able to track those discrepancies is going to be important. and and flushing out the moments like the bomb shell testimony about what the former president may have been doing inside that presidential vehicle, wanting to go to the capitol on january 6th. those were details noticeably left out on monday when they gave back the details they had shown over the course of public hearings. it's going to be interesting to see what more they can flush out in this report, having talked to key people like tony ornato in the intervening weeks since the hearings wrapped up. all of that is really important as we get the most wholistic understanding of this investigation that we have seen yet. >> jonathan, congressman schiff said this report will flush out the elements of the investigation that are already out there. so are we expecting any bomb shells? >> i adopt know if bomb shelling, but this committee has never disappointed before.
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let's think about every hearing they covered ground like we knew the story. and every time we heard from them, they were uncovering something new. i anticipate that will be the same too. maybe it's not a bomb shell, but there will be new details that will be captivating for us and the media. a portion of the general public will read it and looming over all of this, the department of justice. we know that the criminal referrals on monday carry no suggestion. we know that today the report will come out. it's not like doj is going to follow it to the letter, but they are reading it. adding a political element to it, but don't think we need to worry. officials have said they were move forward. they have requested materials. they will review them. but they are moving at their own
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timetable on their own investigation. >> and we learned yesterday that the committee has been cooperating with the doj and is handing over all of its work. they always said they would. i don't think this is very surprising, but do you see this as more of a cooperative effort right now rather than they were somewhat rivals. they were certainly impatient by some of the committee members that the justice department wasn't acting quickly enough. >> absolutely. so as you noted, you had people like adam shuf and others who are used to dealing with the department of justice and they are used to the fact that the department of justice is usually way out ahead of congress. this is the reverse. and there was a real sense of dismay and disappointment that the department was not doing its job.
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ask that led to this real tension that we saw playing out in public where the department was saying can you hand over some of your evidence and the committee saying why don't you do your job. and so which is very rare to see that kind of tension play out in public. usually those things are resolved beforehand. but where we are now is all of this material is going to be made public to all of us and to the department, and the potential defendants. so there's some up sides and down sides. in terms of the public understanding what is at stake here and what the evidence is, this is a real plus. it's so unusual to have a criminal investigation playing out in public. and the department is going to be particularly interested in the underlying material. they are not concerned with the legal conclusion by the committee, but they are going to
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be interested in the factual information that they have uncover sod they can dig into that. so this is excite an exciting time. >> i'm going to mix my metaphors here. is the glass half full or half empty? you have been worried about the down sides of publiciing all the transcripts in how it might affect witnesses comparing notes the prosecution notes. >> andrew noted the plus, the upside, the transparency. i agree transparency is a plus. but i will talk about the downside, the negative normally, investigations are done in secret. grand jury testimony is held in secret. why? because we simply don't want likely defendants, subjects, targets, witnesses, comparing notes. we don't want people aligning
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their stories. we don't want to give annotation to the bad guys where the investigation was going and how it might get there. and in addition toens wpss aligning their stories, which is one problems, let me tell you about another. sometimes witnesses are vulnerable. sometimes they can be intimidated or harassed or worse. so while appreciate benefits of transparency, i live my life as a federal prosecutor in a different sort of world, in a world in which we kept our information close to the vest. i appreciate the upside of transparency. but speaking as a former prosecutor, i think there's much greater risk than there is advantage. >> and ken, you have some new reporting today about the kind of intelligence the fbi had in
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the weeks leading up to january 6th. talk to us about that. >> that's right. this is really about what's been left out of this report as far as we understand. and a confidential fbi human source told our colleague ryan riley that when donald trump tweeted back on december 19th, 2020, summoning the mob to the capitol on january 6th and say there will be a protest and it will be wild, this source wrote into his handler in the fbi and said this is being greeted in far right extremist surk thes as a call to arms. this source submitted a volume of informatio warning about this. we're told this is just one small example of a lot of warnings. it went to the fub and other agencies specific credible information suggesting that there would be violence, that the capitol could be a target and the fbi for various reasons did not fully act on that information.
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and those questions were not answered in the executive summary. and our understanding is they are not going to be answered in the full report. there will be an appendix discussing what intelligence was gathered, but we're told that the committee decided to pull some punches on the shortcomings because they don't want to give the republicans a talking point and take the focus off donald trump. to my mind, i go back to the 9/11 report that was able to fully explore the role of osama bin laden in attacking, while the depths of the shortcomings by the fbi and cia without which the attack might have been stopped. you can do both things. this committee has chosen not to do that. it's a real missed opportunity. >> following up on that, rob, when you hear reporting like this, when i was covering the 9/11 report, which was considered really credible, but it was an outside commission. it was not created by congress. it did not have congressional
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members and didn't have the partisan awe row ma. but it is what it is. in any case, it led to investigation that restructured a lot of agencies that's how we got homeland security and tried to eliminate the stove pipes that were blocking agenies from talking to each other. but here you have the same situation all over again all these years later where agencies were not talking to each other. >> we don't know that. they are going to have to do ab in-depth study and see where this intelligence came from, who provided it, what was his credibility. he's telling us one thing. it may have come in a different way. was it compared to other intelligence. during 9/11 i worked as a reservist at the pentagon on military orders. and i was on the fbi's host act rescue team. i saw both sides of it. i can tell you since then, it's
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been knocked down tremendously. people do things across the ic. i would have to say the studies already being done. they are looking into it and where the intelligence came from, i don't think there's any blockage between sharing it. it might have come up and it might have not been a credible source where you can say this was one of a kind event just like 9/11 was. when you say intelligence after the fact and see what was put together, it's a lot harder when that's never happened before and you're looking at intelligence. that's the problem. and it could have been so much that you didn't know where to start looking. >> i want to ask about witness tampering. you tweeted, this phenomenon happens so much in political corruption investigations.
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lawyers doing bidding for the boss, not the lower level client. the boss in this case was donald trump, but it was also a specific ethics lawyer in the white house supposedly representing her and allegedly telling her just to say you didn't recall something that she actually recalled. >> so i can't think of an investigation where i was going into a group of people, whether it's organized crime or political corruption where this problem doesn't surface. where you have people who are lawyers who are paid for by the senior people and it ends up intentional or unconscious, usually the former. where people are told to say one thing and not the other. it is just an endemic problem in these kinds of cases. where money and power are
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involved and lawyers are supposed to do their duty to their actual client, not the person who is paying for them. and obviously, many lawyers do. but it is a constant problem. now here, you can be be sure that they are going to look closely at this. it can be very hard to prove. you could end up with a he said, she said, but if a lawyer is representing multiple people, the department has the ability to see whether what's reportedly being said by cassidy hutchinson about her prior lawyer had told her, which by the way would not be unethical, it would be illegal what's been reported, which is to say something that's not true in her testimony. if that's been repeated to other clients, then that lawyer does face the process pekt of some kind of prosecution. obviously, there can be a bartter for those as well.
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>> and chuck, congressman schiff mentioned the credibility of witnesses as issue for them. do you see them using transcripts and looking at perjury charges? >> sure. that's always possible. remember, the department of justice asked for these transcript a long time ago, months and months ago. not because they don't have the capacity to talk to the same witnesses and obtain information, but also because they have an absolute obligation to know what's in the transcripts of witnesses that they have subsequently spoken to. if somebody says the light was red one day and the light was green the next, third day says i don't recall seeing the light at all. that's the contradiction. that's a problem. if someone has information that will be exculpatory, the department of justice has a constitutional obligation to turn that over to a defendant before trial. so there's lots of reasons why they want to see these transcripts for the substance of
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what's said there, for contradictions, for information that they undermine the credibility of their own witnesses, and to your point, to make their own determination about whether anyone committed perjury before the congress. that might be the a prosecutable offense. lots of reasons to want and to want to review the transcripts. i'm sorry the committee didn't give it to them much earlier when the department started asking for it. >> thank you all. we're going to be talking about more coming up. the senate is hoping to wrap up its work on the $1.7 trillion funding bill. but senate minority whip had hoped the bull would be passed before president zelenskyy's address tonight now he says that does not seem logistically possible. the senate and house both have to pass the bill. the senate first and then the house. the president has to sign it
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coming up shortly in the next hour, an historic surprise visit by ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy. he left his embattled homeland for the first time since russia invaded back in february to come to the u.s. and meet with president biden at the white house and the national security team before of addressing a joint meeting of congress. the visit comes as a critical point in the conflict as ukraine is warning that putin is planning a major new offensive and republicans are about to take control of the house with warnings from them that they will not give ukraine a blank check going forward. joining us now is capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles, white house correspondent monica alba, and jonathan lemire. monica, set the stage. how did this trip come about? we had a briefing by a senior official last night on how
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president biden made the inveigh vittations. but there's a larger context in the war. >> certainly. and these lances were shrouded in secret us is. we learned only overnight about just how long this had been in the works and with many officials telling us if something doesn't go according to plan, the entire visit could be scrapped. s that's how high the security concerns were going into this. the fact that president zelenskyy is here before these pivotal meetings, it speaks to the significance of the u.s. and ukrainian relationship at this moment in the war. when the u.s. is awe announcing this additional emergency aid to ukraine, including those critical new missile defense systems known as the patriot missile defense system. that's something ukraine has been asking for for a very lock time. and then as he heads to congress with lawmakers voting on an additional more than $45 billion in emergency aid, now the two
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men did meet here at the white house last year before the war. they have been in frequent touch, but this is something today where they are going to be a lot of questions about what might happen next in this war. and the u.s. has been cleared to emphasize that this is an opportunity to discuss diplomatic solution, but they don't intend to push, prod or poke president zelenskyy into any kind of a resolution. instead to discuss what could happen going forward and being resident lout in the u.s.'s support of ukraine during this war. >> and ryan, president zelenskyy is going to be addressing congress later today as they are considering this new thigs to what john kirby told me was going to be another $2 billion for ukraine that's being proved. that's partly the patz patz. it's a rare chance for him to speech to the keptics head on,
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face to face really about how critical all this is. >> that's right. and this message may not be intended for the current debate over additional aid, because it looks as though this package is not going to have difficulty passing through congress, although it's going to take a few days to have that done. the message is really going to be sent to republicans that are boing to be taking control of the house in the next congress. because this is certainly not going to be the end of need for ukraine as they continue the defense of their country. and that's why both the leaders in the house and senate, nancy pelosi on the house side, and the democratic leader on the senate side are begging their members to be in attendance for this address. take a listen to what schumer said earlier. >> i hope all house republicans will attend the zelenskyy address this evening, and when they do, they should listen to president zelenskyy describe the
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horror his people have endured at the hands of vladimir putin. i hope that donald trump's friendship with putin is not motivating house republicans to turn a blind eye to ukraine's suffering and desperate need for help. >> i talked to quite a few senators, both republican and democrat who were in support of additional aid for ukraine. even if they are concerned on some level about an endless spigot of money, they believe this is important and basically their message to house republicans is that this is something that needs to be a high priority, but when kevin mccarthy takes over the speaker gavel, if even able to win that race, it's going to be harder for this aid to be appropriated from congress because there are house republicans that very much do believe that the spending has already been too much and future spending is too much to ask for.
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>> you have written about articles a about this visit now coming up. including the u.s. giving that patriot missile battery to ukraine. and traping the team outside the country. what about long range weapons that zelenskyy wants as well. do you think the white house is open to that? >> this would be a sign of solidarity, but there are few tension points. we anticipate the ukrainian president to lobby for these offensive weapons. at this point, officials were reluctant to happened them over for fears that they could be used to strike deep within russia and escalate the conflict fur and turn this into a wider
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war. there's speculation that they tound their way to ukraine any way, but the people i have talked to say the u.s. is still not willing to go that far. at least not yet. but that doesn't take away the military package the president has signed off on for today. they deny think the u.s. would part with those, but they are grateful for them. the funding coming from congress. and as just discussed, there's two audiences here for the speech. one close to home. the republicans in congress, those about to take leadership positions come january, but also to send a reassuring signal to european capitals, who have been very supportive of the war effort. they have stood in lock step with president biden to support kyiv fighting vladimir putin, but who have real economic worries that they teeter on the edge of recession. energy costs soaring, places having blackouts as ukraine comes under this awe tack from
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russia and drones cutting off the grid and plunging the nation into darkness as the winter gets cold. there's a message here to europe to say stay the course. this is too important. we need to keep supporting ukraine. thank you all. a really busy day in washington you're on top of it all. millions across the country right now are bracing for severe winter weather. our experts are saying this could be the worst preholiday storm in decades. don't like surprises? [ watch vibrates ] proactive notifications from fidelity keep you tuned in all day long. so when something happens that could affect your portfolio, you can act quickly. that's decision tech, only from fidelity. [ melissa ] you hear about cancer. i just was afraid that i would lose my son. you think, why us? you know, why me? why my child? [ marlo thomas ] you can join the battle to save lives
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for a 3-month prescription. we just received new pictures of ukraine's president arriving in the u.s. the ukrainian president is in washington where president biden is going to welcome him to the white house in about 30 minutes from now. he arrived on a u.s. jet. he will have his meeting with the president and then a press krves for the u.s. and ukrainian press, small pool traveling with him. later he's scheduled to address a joint meeting of congress this
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evening. zelenskyy put out a message on telegram saying he's here to thank the american people, the president and the congress for their much-needed support and to continue cooperation that will bring ukraine closer to victory over russia. extraordinary pictures. the public will also soon be getting to see donald trump's personal and business tax records. that's pretty extraordinary after the former president lost his legal battle up to the supreme court. the high court ordering him to turn them over, ordering his accountants to turn them over. the house ways and means committee voted to release the taxes. that during three years of trump's presidency, he paid $1.1 million in federal income tax. and he paid zero in his final year in office. the committee also revealed that the irs failed to audit trump during his first two years in
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office even though yearly presidential audits have been mandatory since 197. joining us now is garrett haake, also with us former prosecutor shawn move and the state democratic party. so what is the latest this hour of the tax returns? when are we going to see them? it was a party line vote last night and they are taking out social security number asks other highly personal data. but we're going to see them today, tomorrow, the next couple days? >> it sounds like tomorrow. i was just checking my phone. our house producer just caught up with the chairman in the hallway outside his office. he indicated he thinks this could all be wrapped up as early as tomorrow in terms of getting the details of the tax returns public. we have ways and means staffers during the menial work of going through and scrubbing these documents to remove the
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remaining highly personal data. social security numbers, what have you. once the process is concluded, those returns will be entered into the congressional record and made public. ask according to the chairman a moment ago, that should happen tomorrow. >> and as a former prosecutor and as a defense attorney, what is the first thing you want to look for? what do you want to see in the president's taxes when they become public? sglu don't think there's likely to be any new evidence for prosecutors necessarily. because federal and state prosecutors could have had access to this before the public does. i would be looking for in particular is the charities issue. he's a big brag rt about continuing to charities. i would be interested to see whether that is being done when he claims those exemptions. also it would be interesting to see what sorts of business dealings he's having with foreign entities. what kinds of declarations for foreign taxes on that front.
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i do think also as a prosecutor, sprautly, i think it's very troubling that the irs didn't do those audits. i think there's room for some investigation there as well. >> and what does this mean when the american public sees these tax returns for the first time? do you think it will have a political impact on donald trump's image? he's always talked about how successful he is and it shows wild swings in his turns and the fact he didn't pay any taxes in 2020. i don't think there are many americans who would say that. >> that's true. i thus the rereverberations are different now than in 2016 when he bragged about not paying taxes or paying very little in taxes. i remember that debate with hillary clinton where she brought that to the forefront. that shows how smart i am. a lot of voters supported him for that reason because they felt here's a guy who could
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outsmart the system. that feels differently now in 2022 when we really understand the fullness of donald trump and all he brought on this country. the foreign dealings is important. we know folks who run for office under the maga heading have questionable dealings as well. so we now understand how these dealings have impacted the country and the american citizen. the troubles that it's caused bar institutions and they hut very differently with the voters. >> and what do you make of charles reddick? he was trump's appointee to lead the irs of question shl credentials and saying they were outgunned and lacked the specialists needed to assess
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trump's filings, but you were assigned by mandate to audit the president and the vice president every year. it's been done for every of president since 197. very little. no supporting material for those chariable contributions. >> yes, that's such a good point. this a arose from the nux son era and it's meant really precisely for this type of president to give better transparency and oversight from congress. i think that the inspector general for irs should look into this and arguably doj's tax division doesn't have to be a criminal investigation. they can find out what went wrong there. because this is a critical part of their job. the idea that the irs is
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outgunned, most citizens would be quite surprised to hear that response from them. and then as you pount out, it turns out to be one bankers box really does not add up. that should be looked at. >> garrett, i'm fascinated by the ways and means chairman. he was refusing all interviews and then last night spoke on camera. he explained why he doesn't do interviews, that had took that job he cob subtled lawyers. he takes his job seriously in a way that a lot of people do not expect because of politics and the motivation to be out there all the time. talk to me about him. >>s that grownup committee. ways and means is one of the most powerful committees in congress. the tax writing committee, the chairman, nancy pelosi, they have been lav you shalling praise on him and how he's
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handled this. he was beaten up on the left for not being perceived not be aggressive enough on this issue in the last couple years. but he stayed with it. he stayed cautious throughout the last couple days. all my interactions have been almost comical. he's so careful in what he's willing to say. he has a staffer or lawyer with him just about all the time. our colleague caught up with him in the hallway and he seemed noticeably relieved to no longer have this hanging over his head. he told me in the days and weeks since that supreme court ruling that he was going to see this through. he was committed to seeing this through and has now done so. a great deal of experience on both a pam for grownups, frankly, in both parties, and that's how this issue was handled, including that executive session last night, largely behind behind closed doors and the back and forth with kevin brady, the retiring ranking republican
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member, the two of them worked together fairly well for quite a long time. >> and does this committee membership go out of business? i assume it does on january 3rd? what is the makeup of the committee when the republicans take over? >> it is one of the interesting new questions in the new congress, potential kevin mccarthy allies and something that is not going to be settled until after the speakership issue is settled. so mark this space. you could be seeing some pretty interesting back room operations on who is going to be the next ways and means committee chairman on the republican side. >> you think. i would bet on that, garrett. thanks very much. and the fate of the trump era immigration policy title 42 now in limbo. what could happen to thousands of migrants at the border? that's next. at the border? that's next.
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little extra time to prepare for what is expected to be a rush of migrants trying to cross the border. nbc's guad venegas is on the mexico side of the border. what are the conditions there? i know it was very cold last night on the u.s. side in el paso. what are you experiencing? >> it is a lot warmer today. we were here the last two days and it was very cold. overnight the temperatures dropped in the lower 30s but this morning, it did warm up quite a bit, so we've seen more migrants arrive, and now what changed today is that after the national guard and the texas state troopers shut down the crossing just west of us, this is the crossing where we saw the images of more than a thousand migrants lining up last week, that's been shut down and they installed wire, and they told migrants they cannot enter. just east of there, right here, where you can see behind me, there's a new line that has formed today. it is hundreds and hundreds of migrants, accounting from across
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the river and i calculated about 5 to 600 about an hour ago and the line is now longer. you can see that's the gate where they are turning themselves in, once or twice an hour, border patrol will walk up and open the gate and take in groups, small groups of 10 to 15 asylum seekers and process them, and the line moves forward. so more and more migrants have arrived as the weather warms up today. on the other side of the river, just under us, there is other groups, these are groups that have told us they don't want to cross the river just yet, they want to wait and see if title 42 is lifted, many of these migrants are venezuelans and they tell me that they don't understand what the immigration policy is like, they just think that with title 42 being lifted, it could help their chance of being able to seek asylum in the united states. but every minute, as we stand here, we see other migrants arrive, and they are crossing the river, and as you can see, the line, getting longer, that's
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