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gould to be with you. i'm lindsey rice ner for katy tur. any moment now, the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack is expected to release their full report. we're told today is really the day after the expected release yesterday was delayed. we're still watching capitol hill for 800 pages of detailed information collected over 18 months of investigation into the insurrection at the capitol. but we did get something new out of today's report. a transcript just released, two interviews with cassidy hutchinson, former white house aide, and assistant to former
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chief of staff mark meadows. they included accusations from hutchison, where she says to influence her testimony, hutchison says she was initially skeptical of a trump lawyer, wanting to find someone outside the orbit of trump but eventually exhausted all other options, accepting representation from stefan passintino and described her first meeting ahead of the requested committee testimony. and his advice to her, the less you remember, the better. >> and key trump allies, there are hundreds of pages of witnesses, pleading the fifth, or offering a simple "i don't recall," even when asked the most basic of biographical questions, like arizona republican party chair, kelly ward, pleading the fifth when asked for her phone number or
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where she went to college. former federal prosecutor shan wu is joining us now and chief legal correspondent and host of "the beat" ari melber and wrote a forword to the committee report. ryan nobles joins us now also. what can you tell us about the report? >> it can come out any second. we're waited with bated breath, and we're in the window where the committee says it would come down and we're in the process, and it will be lengthy, eight chapters, four appendicies and the definitive narrative of the commit's year and a half investigation that has as the central thesis that the former president donald trump is responsible for calling a mob here to washington, d.c., and inciting them to attack the capitol based on the false premise that the election had been stolen. so this is something the
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committee has been talking about for a long time. you know, when the report comes out, we don't expect it to have huge bombshells because they so methodically and publicly laid out their case over the past year and a half, but there is still a lot of information for us to look into, they're going to detail security intelligence failures, foreign influence, and also the money trail, how money was spent, and raised during that period of time, so there's going to be new things for us to learn, but this is the culmination of a long bit of work from a team of investigators and nine members of congress. >> we have these new transcripts from cassidy hutchison's testimony, she is pretty clearly describing an attempt to influence her ahead of the deposition. i said if i do recall something, but not every detail, can i still say i don't recall. and he said yes. during her testimony in the actual hearing, hutchison insists passintino never told her to lie but clearly told her not to respond to the committee's questions here. what's your reaction? >> that is a little bit of a
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fuzzy line. a lawyer certainly cannot tell a client to lie. it would be unwise counsel to say just always say you don't recall, never give proof otherwise. and telling her things, if you don't have a full recollection, it's fine to say you don't recall, that's okay. from the other public report i've seen, if he's saying thing like it will be better if you didn't recall, things will go well for you, if you avoid these areas, that's pretty questionable, and that's probably crossing the line. but it's hard to make a case against a lawyer for obstruction without knowing more. but it is certainly very damning for him, that his own client feels that that's what he was trying to do. >> ari, do you agree, and is this something that the d.o.j. would take a look at? >> i think they're looking at is why there were so many people hiding and obstructing and lying, so you have four contempt referrals, and two indictment, and the strongest in the congress, can say, that these
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people are completely defying lawful subpoena, but 30 people who pled the fifth have the legal right, that the d.o.j. can, as a clue, it can't use the evidence in court and as a clue, they can say that's funny, that's not one or two and not someone being audacious, it looks like something that became a norm or a pattern or potentially a strategy. and if it is a strategy, the question is why. they have to find that joint. and if they don't find crimes, they could look at a way to annoy the committee. that is a possible lawful reason. i watched a violent insurrection occur in realtime on television, so i think we know it is more than just theatrics, there are just the clues that these people wanted to hide what they were do because they were concerned of being convicted of a crime. and after that, some pleading the fifth, sought pardons. pardons are for criminals. lawyers seeking pardons who are informed about the law is especially damning because it suggests that they thought there was a valid grounds for indicting them, convicting them and jailing them, so they want
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to jump, that and they didn't get those pardons. and in some ways the d.o.j. is looking at that. on a report timing, on a somewhat lighter note, if you had a man to meet somebody for coffee and last minute i have to cancel, can we do it tomorrow, you say sure, okay, we'll meet tomorrow and then they start texting you, i'm running late, 10 minutes, an hour, two hours. and that's sort of where the january 6th committee is now. they may be valid and complex reasons why the timing has changesed and it is past 2:00 p.m. and the news, they have given a series of guidance to the news media and people like myself who they are not keeping and they do a great job of finding facts which we've seen some of the facts to report that, and when they're meeting the deadlines that they have to impose, we have to report that and we don't know why, and we put our references to the printing office and we heard last night jamie raskin said he wasn't sure, he hasn't spoken to the chair but the zelenskyy speech complicates things.
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and the president about to give christmas remarks in a couple of hours. and the committee says it is important, we have to tell folks, they are not meeting the deadline and that is becoming part of the process of the story. >> and i want to ask you more about sort of the trickle of the transcripts that we're gating in terms of cassidy hutchison. what do you make here of her decision ultimately to change counsel and be forthcoming with the committee? >> let me do it in english before i do it in law. in english, it's all shady. she was there. she says okay, i'm going to comply with the lawful subpoena. that's what you're supposed to do. and getting all of this stuff to her that sounds like bs and hey, maybe you can lie, if you don't lie, maybe you can dissemble and hide it and due recall and most of that you can chalk that up to an aggressive type of lawyering, people know from "law and order" both sides clash and play games and do all sorts of things. but she worked for trump. she agreed with him up to the end of her presidency.
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she a trump-y. a magag. a loyalist. what she didn't agree with, apparently, was an insurrection or covering it up. so that's what comes through in her series of transcripts. that's what comes through in the stories she's telling and up to the end she is looking at this going wait a minute why wouldn't they tell the truth oh, right, because people were in it, and the same way with the damning testimony she gave, she described people like meadows and giuliani not surprised that january 6th went haywire because they didn't see it as a riot, they saw it as a plan and that is very damning and those are people neither of whom have been indicted by this d.o.j. >> and some of the transcripts and some of the other allies that we saw, john eastman, michael flynn, roger stone, all of them plete pleading the fifth, to even to some very innocuous questioning. what does that tell you? >> that tells me that they really just don't want to be cooperative at all. i mean if you were to have the opportunity, which the committee really didn't do, to take it to
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court, i think taking the fifth on your phone number, your name, that wouldn't really stand up, but they knew that they could delay things, just by taking the fifth on every single question that way. so that just tells me they didn't want to be cooperative at all. were they to appear in an actual courtroom, with that, you could certainly probably defeat some of those assertions on the fifth, on the innocuous questions like that. >> in an interview with msnbc, chairman bennie thompson did have a lot to say about the fact that the committee was able to get some more information than the d.o.j. was. let's listen. >> there were people that we deposed that justice had not deposed. there were electors in various states that justice couldn't find. we found them. >> you found them. >> we found them. we deposed them. so we had a lot of information. but now, we make that, all that information, available to them,
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and if they come back, they want to interview staff, or interview members, as to any additional information that we know, we would be more than happy to do it. >> what does this tell you about the special counsel investigation? we also know the committee has been setting some of the transcripts, sending some of the transcripts to the d.o.j., prior to, there is a relationship between the special counsel, or at least the d.o.j.'s investigation, and this committee. >> well, there's a tricky one, and i want to tread as lightly as possible, and according to the committee it suggests that d.o.j. was asleep at the wheel. according to the d.o.j., hey, they would say, you guys don't know what we're doing so the grand jury proceedings are a secret and maybe we have done this and that and the other and i want to fairly say that is a dispute of some kind that we can't full ry resolve on the outside. and having said, that the chairman added interesting evidence there are people on the wider plots, we count them up as eight total plots, some of which were nonviolent and didn't
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evolve around the 6th like election fraud and we got to those witnesses that you weren't even talking to. right? so i think that it can look like a document dispute, or exchange of letters, that's like washington style, but i think what is really going on is, the fairest way to say this, there is evidence that part of the d.o.j. investigation did lag behind the committee. and that raises real questions. because again, the people who trespassed have been indicted. right? some of the seditionists have been convicted. all of the people who went in. but how did they get there? they were organized and sent. they weren't constitutional law zollers. the proud boys don't have a deep mast rift certification process. there wasn't talk about the 6th before donald trump and eastman put it on the map. so as we kind of clear the year here and everyone is saying we have criminal referrals to start the week, right? you have over 500 indictments out of d.o.j. that dispute, what they're talking about with the chairman, it comes down to why hasn't the
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d.o.j. gone after anyone who planned and organized and came up with this thing? is is only going to be the muscle, not the plotters? >> fascinating as always. shan wu, our thanks to you as well, and ryan nobles. the national weather service is calling it a once in a generation type of event. we have reporters up and down the east coast, as a dangerous christmas week storm intensifies. and disgraced crypto king sam bankman-fried back in the u.s. details on the long list of criminal charges he now faces, and former co-workers who are now cooperating with the fdny. plus, the dramatic moment on the hill, praise for ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy who visited washington to deliver a warning and a plea. >> money is not charity. it's an investment in the global security and democracy. you can speed up our victory.
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nearly 115 million americans are under winter weather alerts from what's being called a once in a generation storm. a powerful arctic cold front is expected to produce widespread disruptive and potentially crippling impacts across the central and eastern united states. that's according to the national weather service. the storm already causing temperatures to fall rapidly in some parts of the country with drops of 30 degrees or more in a matter of hours. high winds and heavy snow have triggered blizzard warnings in eight states and the midwest. and for those millions of people preparing to travel for the holidays, major delays and cancellations are on the horizon. joining me from newark international airport is nbc's dasha burns. outside of philadelphia,
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traveling along the i-95 is marissa para. >> dasha, how are things looking so far today? >> the crowds here are building up. and the delays on the departures board are stacking up. as this storm moves over in this area, in the form of heavy rain. that's just building up right now. we're going to see more of it tonight. and into tomorrow. we're going to see flood watches. we're going to see heavy winds. we're going to see friday into saturday, that huge drop in temperatures that you talked about. and meanwhile, the level of travel here is reaching 2019 levels, pre-pandemic levels, in fact, here at newark airport, authorities are expecting a slight increase from what they saw in 019, just as we're seeing here, and we've been talking to families throughout the day, and people have changed their flights, tried to avoid some of that chaos, and people are already seeing the delays, they're seeing their connections
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slip away, with the hope of making those connections, we just talked to a family who is traveling to southern california, and they say that they're going to get stuck in vegas, because they are going to miss their connection because of the delay. and take a listen to what we heard today. >> it's delayed 40 minutes. >> do you think there will be more delays? >> we're not sure. at this point, we don't know. >> the flight is fortunately not delayed but my trip, i did have to prepare in advance for this trip to avoid airports as much as possible, since i'm traveling to europe, and apparently, it is going to be a disaster with the storm. >> we kind of saw the weather was getting worse and worse, and a lot of the airlines don't have a ton of flights out of newark so our choices were very limited so i got very lucky and hit refresh a few times and four seats in a different part of the airplane showed up and i booked
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them and now we're leaving at 4:00, so we can get to christmas early with our family. >> and three out of four of those seats are -- >> the kids got out of school a little bit early, so they're excited. right now, so far, we're seeing about 4500 flight delays across the u.s., and more than 1700 cancellations, and lindsey, you know, the movies always make the running through the airport look romantic and poetic but let me tell you, you do not want to be sprinting to your gate in all of this, so the recommendation is get here as early as you can. bring your patience. and it may be a sense of humor, too because you might be celebrating in a part of the country you weren't expecting. >> definitely not romantic. but i love that exchange, classic parent and kid, like parents just stressed out, and we're not going to be sitting together and the kid is like i've got a premium seat. let's talk about the weather. what you're expecting here and
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what you're seeing on the roads. >> right, so we're definitely not the only ones on the roads here, before i show you that, i want to make it very clear, i'm not driving, i'm in the passenger seat, my teammates are taking care of that, but we have cameras on the side and in the front of the vehicle, and what you'll see is, yes, we are far from the only ones on the roads here. whether or not driving is the preferred method of travel when it comes to all holiday travel, both thanksgiving and christmas, this is no exception and you know, you just mentioned how 115 million americans are under a winter weather advisory. what i thought was interesting is that hopefully the same number of people expecting to travel this holiday season, 90% of them, over 100 million americans are expected to be taking to the roads, which who knows how many might be taking to the roads because of what we're seeing at the airports right now. we did have a chance to speak to some people at a maryland rest stop and so far the numbers projected, it is trekking with what we heard. take a listen.
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>> how does it feel out here? >> it's crowded out here and i'm happy to be on the road instead of a plane. >> we are driving 55 miles and 70 mile-an-hour roads. it is crazy. we have to be careful out there. >> so traffic has been off and on, we've made our way from dc, made our way through maryland, and now of course, we went through delaware, and now we're in the philadelphia area here in pennsylvania. traffic has been off and on, one thing we have seen is, you know, we saw one fender-bender that didn't look too bad itself but what did look pretty bad was all of the traffic behind, it backed up for miles and miles, so these roads are slick. while it is not as bad here, it is not bad where we are, in comparison to what we're seeing in the midwest, keep this in mind, yes, the roads are still slick, you should still take it slow, and also, stay weather
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aware, and prepare ahead of it. we're going to be seeing tomorrow, the temperatures dip, just be very careful on the roads, take it easy, take it slow, and stay safe out there. >> you guys, too. appreciate it. dasha and marissa, thank you. when you hear things like once in a generation, crippling, not what you want to hear at a time like this. >> to the extreme in a few spots and extreme, i mean stranded, and you know people will have to have no power, waiting for help, or rescue, that will happen in a couple of places. we'll talk about that in a second. first we have to show the progress of who is getting the arctic air. everywhere in the middle of the country is like oh, yeah, it's here, you know, this is what they were talking about. this is the 24 hour temperature change. yesterday, this time, exactly, it was 61 degrees warmer in denver. and even dallas now, the temperatures are plummeting, you were warmer this time yesterday and as the cold front is heading through chicago, it is headed through st. louis, and heading for areas here in indianapolis and about to go through little rock and these are the next areas that are going to see the temperatures taking that huge
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dip, in a hurry. and that's what is going to be memorable about this. and wow, that was quick, it got cold in a hurry. so these are the current wind chill values, about negative 39 in sioux city, iowa. dallas at zero. you notice san antonio and houston, essentially it's warm, it's nice, and you can wear short sleeves and shorts right now outside. by tonight you will have a jacket and gloves on as your wind chill will go down to 10 to 15. in your area, that is pretty shocking. here is the rain up and down the mid atlantic. snow interior sections of pennsylvania, be careful driving there. especially pennsylvania turnpike. and then behind our arctic front, we have a light pattern of blowing snow that is now in areas of illinois from all the way from st. louis to chicago and that's a concern as we head toward this evening rush hour. the storm is not about the snow. yes, we're going to see a lot of people get snow but the higher totals in dark blue, that's really near the great lakes, and areas here in upstate new york, and we will pinpoint the buffalo area. your forecast is for 36 inches of snow. okay, you got five feet a couple of weeks ago, so big deal, right? another big huge snowstorm. what is different this time is
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this is the max wind gust predicted in buffalo. 72 miles per hour. that's a strong tropical storm bordering on a hurricane gust. now, imagine three feet of powdery snow with winds like that. and i mean we're going to see snow drifts up against houses that are five, six, seven feet tall and the ground will probably be bare in some areas and other area, the snow will be piled up. when you get winds like this, even without leaves on the trees, we're worried about power outages, that is a huge story and think about people without power, with the cold frigid temperatures moving in. and how about the line crews that have to go out there through christmas eve and christmas day fixing all of this, right in the middle of the holiday and stop their lives, too. that is a huge issue as we go throughout the holiday weekend, unfortunately. so we've already seen some impacts but the worse are yet to come. >> when can we expect the worse to be over? >> i think by the time we get to saturday evening, sunday morning, it is when everything will start to calm down a little bit. but then we still got, you know, we still have hundreds of thousands of people that need
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power? >> bill karins, thank you very much. coming up, ukraine's president zelenskyy on his way back home, after making appeals to lawmakers in washington. we'll tell you what he said, and first, did congress just avert a government shutdown? where the senate now stands on the must-pass omnibus legislation. this holiday master your kitchen with wayfair. ♪ ♪ keep it fresh with colorful cookware. whip up holiday treats with ease. slice and dice with the best of them. and with wayfair, you can express yourself. ♪ ♪ wayfair, holiday your heart out. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪ zero-commission trades for online u.s. stocks and etfs. and a commitment to get you the best price on every trade, which saved investors over $1.5 billion last year.
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brilliant. major breaking news on capitol hill, in the last few minutes, the senate has passed the massive $1.7 trillion omnibus bill, after ripping through a series of amendments. it now heads to the house, but time is ticking, and lawmakers only have until tomorrow. government funding runs out, and we want to bring in nbc's sahil kapur. talk about the amendments. >> huge moment for the senate passing the massive government funding bill by a vote of 68-29. a broad bipartisan vote months in the making. it including $850 million in defense funding and $770 billion in nondefense funding and some of the major provisions in it are 45 billion in assistance to
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ukraine, and no ukraine president zelenskyy was here talking to congress last night, making his case for that aid money, and it includes money for disaster relief as well. a major re-write of the electoral counteract, the archaic 1887 law that to make sure that future presidential candidates condition exploit gaps in the law to steal elections and it gives the department of justice an additional $200 million, from the u.s. attorney budget to continue prosecuting january 6th cases as part of that sprawling investigation. now, this happened after a potpourri of amendment votes, 17 in total, some bipartisan, and some were taken up, and many were defeated, some of the ones taken up include the pregnant workers fairness act. this is a bill that includes protections from discrimination, for pregnant workers, and it is a bipartisan bill, and there was a measure, an amendment that was
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adopted expanding accommodations for breast feeding in the workplace, another last-minute bipartisan measure that was adopted, and finally, lindsey, the 2:00 a.m. holdup, that nearly set this bill to the side, and complicated passage, was about immigration. a last-minute demand by republicans to have a vote on an amendment, for title 42, and that trump era immigration policy, democrats ended up finding a way around it, they have offered an amendment of their own, led by senator kyrsten sinema that would fall shore of what republicans wanted to do but also give the democrats who wanted to show support for title 42 to vote for. both of those failed and it goes to the house of representatives next, and i expect will begin acting on it soon, unlike the senate which needs almost unanimous consent to do anything quickly, the house of representatives has the majority to pass within of hours. kevin mccarthy, the would-be next speaker, is fighting to torpedo this bill, as the courts
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vote from his white flank to become speaker of the house in a few weeks. >> thank you very much. as sahil mentioned, about $45 billion in ukraine aid hangs in the balance. the ukraine yas prenz volodymyr zelenskyy now headed back home to his country after the historic whirlwind visit to washington. his speech before congressional lawmakers on both sides was met with applause, standing ovations, and even sometimes laughter. as he made an urgent plea for more funding to be approved. >> we have artillery. yes. thank you. we have, is it enough? honestly, not really. your money is not charity. it's an investment in the global security and democracy that we handle in the most responsible way. >> joining me right now is
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former u.s. ambassador to russia and msnbc international affairs analyst, michael mcfaul. ambassador, what did you make of zelenskyy's framing yesterday, and how he pitched this continued aid as an investment in global security as opposed to charity. do you think it altered any minds? >> well, it's the right argument. i thought it was a brilliant speech. it was emotional, of course, but it was very analytic, and his point, when he is talking about, that is that we and the united states of america have an interest in stopping putin's army in ukraine. because if it doesn't stop in ukraine, they'll advance through ukraine, and be on the borders of our nato allies, and we are obligated by the nato treaty to protect our allies. so instead of fighting putin in europe, in the parts of europe that are part of nato, zelenskyy is saying you are making a wise investment to stop putin's war machine inside ukraine.
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i thought it was a very smart idea. >> in that moment do you think he was aiming at eliciting a laugh, because it didn't seem like it to me. >> i don't think so. he is a funny guy, i hosted him here at stanford, he has a great sense of humor, sometimes the timing, you know, you remember, english is his third language, after russian and ukrainian, and sometimes that hesitates, that timing, leads to those comical moments, but i can tell he liked it. >> i want to show a visual breakdown here of how much funding the u.s. has sent to ukraine compared to other nations. and it is a really striking visual. especially when you look at the red bar which represents military aid, and it begs the question, what would happen if the u.s. funding ceased, ambassador? >> first, people should remember that we are the leader of nato, we are the leader of the free world, we're the only super power left, and so that's why those numbers are that way. and that's a good thing. not a bad thing. secondly, if we stop funding ukraine, putin would win.
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we prevail. and he wouldn't stop in ukraine. i think that's important thing, an important thing for americans to understand. i know, i've listened to putin, i've met with him, i worked with him when i was in the government, and if you listen to what he says, he believes he is in a war with us. he's in a war with the free world. so this won't stop in ukraine. if we stop funding and supporting our partners in ukraine. it will be a threat to our nato partners throughout europe. >> winter has set in. and much has the new phase of this war. we know that putin is really trying to weaponize winter here. how long does it take for aid like the one in this omnibus bill to be felt in ukraine? >> longer than it should. but it's obviously, it's very welcome inside ukraine. and he is using winter, he's using cold weather, to terrorize ukrainians. you know, it reminds me a lot of what hitler did against great britain in 1940, bombing the cities of london and everywhere else, to try to get them to
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capitulate, that's what is going on here, he can't win on the battlefield, so he is terrorizing civilians, and we got to help those civilians. i have no idea that they're resilient and they're not going to capitulate, but we need to help them get through this very difficult winter. >> one of those moves is a pretty surprising one, and president biden confirming that ukraine will be getting the patriot missile system, and the president was asked yesterday whether he and zelenskyy have discussed whether putin would see this as escalation, and president biden said this is a defense system and they wouldn't have to use it if russia would stop sending missiles. what is your take here on this new defense missile that ukraine can use? >> i'm glad they're getting patriots. we should have give them six months ago. and we should give them more than one just one battery. that's my view. it is good news. it will take a long time for that to set up. it takes training. and it is, president biden's right, it is a defensive weapon,
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it is not an escalatory move. the escalatory move is putin bombing kyiv and other cities terrorizing civilians. we should try to defend those civilians, this is a step in the right direction. >> former ambassador michael mcfaul thank you for your time. from the war in ukraine to the 2022 midterms a look back at the year in politics with nbc's chuck todd. he is back on u.s. soil. the criminal charges sam bankman-fried now faces, and why the case against him might have gotten easier. have gotten easier. (dog barking) we love our pets. but we don't always love their hair. which is why we made bounce pet hair and lint guard with three times the pet hair fighting ingredients. just one sheet helps remove pet hair from your clothes! looking good starts in the dryer with bounce pet. (vo) 'tis the season to switch to verizon. it's your last chance to get our best deal of the year. (scrooge) 'tis? (cecily) 'tis! (vo) this holiday season verizon gives you the new iphone 14 pro that's in stock now. plus apple watch se, ipad and beats fit pro. all on us.
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bankman-fried made the first u.s. court appearance moments ago in new york after he agreed to be extradited from the bahamas to face multiple criminal charges connected with the multibillion collapse of ftx. ahead of his arraignment, two of bankman-freed's top business partners, co-founder and almeda research, pleaded guilty to wire fraud, securities fraud, and other charges. federal prosecutors say they have also agreed to cooperate with investigators and are asking for others to do the same. >> let me reiterate a call that i made last week. if you participated in misconduct at ftx or al plea da, now is the time to get ahead of it. we're moving quickly and our patience is not eternal. >> joining me now is cnbc senior analyst ron insana. good to see you here. sbf will have to turn over the passport and report to his parent's california home by 10:00 a.m. and get an ankle monitor, but are you surprised that he was offered bail at all,
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and what is this sending, what signal is this sending to investors who lost everything? >> yeah, i am a bit surprised at the bail, but however, $250 million is a lot of money, it puts his parents entirely at risk, given that they put up the collateral for that bail. so to an extent, and there are rather large deterrents for him attempting to flee because he can't do because he doesn't have a passport and can only travel in the confines of california around his parent's home and wearing an ankle monitor as well. so the flight risk is probably somewhat greatly diminished here but this is a scandal that may well be twice the size of enron, and somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 billion in liabilities, and as many as a million different creditors. so it is large. but i suspect he's not going anywhere, given the magnitude of this. and the cooperation as you mentioned, of ellison and wang, both of whom he lived with in the bahamas and have intimate knowledge of the operations both at ftx and almeda research.
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>> let's talk about those two people, gary wong and caroline ellison, facing civil fraud charges from the securities and exchange commission and the commodities futures trading commission. what more do we know about that investigation? >> i think more than anything else, the most important part is that they both appear to have flipped and are cooperating witnesses in this process. so in lieu of facing prison sentences as long as 50 years for wang and ellison in excess of 100 years, they're turning on sam bankman-fried, who also if convicted on all charges faces well in excess of 100 years in prison. at age 30, we can assume he may spend his entire life there, the remainder of it anyway. and what is important here, they were deeply involved, mrs. wang a co founder and ms. ellison, the head of research at almeda research which ostensibly sam bankman-fried controlled while he controlled ftx which is a failed crypto exchange. and they lived together.
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and part-time girlfriend by some reports and she has extraordinary knowledge what happened at the operation as does mr. wang, and it is important that they are cooperating with the d.o.j. and the s.e.c. and the cftc and really, what appears to be creating a slam dunk case against mr. sam bankman-fried. >> do you think investigators will be looking at other areas in bankman-fried's orbit, not just the top deputies here but for example his own parents who played an integral role at ftx either for potential civil or criminal implications or cooperation? >> well, i don't know if they can get them to cooperate. i mean there might be some limitations on how much a family can turn against a family member in a court of law. i would think that they might ultimately be additional targets if they in any way facilitated his fundraising often the investment side, to create ftx, and to fund its operations through investors, or if they had any knowledge of any deception that was undertaken
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and stay on top of the market. welcome back. we don't have to tell you this. it's been quite a year in politics. we saw historic midterm elections, major shifts in the top congressional leadership positions. and the passage of significant new legislation. nbc news political director chuck todd sat down with kristen welker and garrett haake to sift through the highlights and also discussion what's to come, discuss what's to come in 2023. >> well, as 2022 draws to an end, we would like to look back at a year that saw historic midterm elections and early entrants into the 2024 presidential election, and happens to be a former president of the united states, and the republicans regain the house fairly, and democrats retain the senate, and once again, a special counsel is appointed to take a closer look at donald trump. deja vu all over again.
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america watched as the january 6th findings and the world watched as russia invaded ukraine. joining me to discuss is kristen welker and our senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. obviously, with the midterms being over, and the fact that the midterms weren't decisive, all they did was essentially prove to us we are just as divided as before and in the middle of the trench warfare and $6 billion to move one house seat and senate seat, and a prelude to 2024 and essentially is the biden re-elect already begun? >> the president says he intends to run and he will make an official decision in the new year after huddling with his family over the holidays but look, i can tell you, in talking to folks who are close to him, he is ending this year feeling emboldened because he got a lot of legislation passed. i think the most important thing as it relates to the president's
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potential rere-election campaign is the economy. and gas levels the lowest level in a year. and having said that, there is so much unknown as we head into the new year. what will inflation look like? as we get closer to 2024? i think that's going to be a big question. >> you know, on your beat, garrett, essentially a massive change, no nancy pelosi. okay. forget everything else. yes, it is still a narrow majority. no nancy pelosi. that is a seismic change. >> i've never known a congress without nancy pelosi in a leadership role. than last congress, for all the time we've spent talking about stuff not moving, whether it was build back better or the various component pieces of that and changes in the rules in the senate was historically productive. and i mean i covered a number of congresses now, and this is the one that has gotten the most done ever, and so much of that falls to nancy pelosi, and so the kind of strength she was able to have behind the scenes, with a very narrow majority, if kevin mccarthy had been taking notes, they will be of great use to him now, because it is very
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specific skillset, to kind of like rally your party in that way, every single day. >> a year ago at this time, there was concern that there was going to be a war in europe, that there was some hope that it would be prevented and turned out to be arguably the dominant story of the globe. in this country, next year, the one story that i think we're not fully, we're both anticipated, we're not fully prepared for, is the trial of donald john trump, right? if there is an indictment, there's going to be a trial. and that, i don't know if everybody is fully ready to realize what that is going to look like. >> there is no doubt that if that were to happen, that would up-end the entire political universe. and if you talk to legal experts, they agree on one thing, that this former president faces more legal jeopardy than perhaps any other president in u.s. history. and so i think that it would, you know, certainly be a diversion from all of these other headlines that we are discussing, the work of congress, the work of the white
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house, and the economy, as well as the war in ukraine. >> chuck, you said trial singular. >> we're talking indictments plural here. it is what the federal investigation and the special counsel has been running on two different things, right, on the mar-a-lago documents piece, and on the january 6th piece, but there is also that investigation down in georgia, where a lot of legal experts have said he didn't think, maybe in more legal jeopardy in georgia than the federal level. >> what we do know is going to be nuts in 2023, and it is some of these things that we don't know are i think even more unusual, and that's why you just have to stick around and watch all of us do our jobs here at nbc news. thank you. >> sure. our thanks to chalk todd, kristen welker and garrett haake for that break-down. next hour, we're live at the border as a trump era immigration policy nears its expiration date. we are keeping a close eye on the white house, where the president is set to deliver a christmas message. stay with me. another jam-packed hour of news right after this break. of news
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the planes staying on the ground and officials urging people to stay off the roads. we're live with the latest forecast and what's to come. also this hour, the clock ticking down to a government shutdown. the senate just sending a bill over to the house to try to keep everything open. a live report from capitol hill on the last minute vote wrangling. plus the january 6th committee still get to release their final report. our team here with the holdup and when we might see more transcripts. i'm lindsey riser in for hallie jackson and we will begin with the latest on the powerful winter storm and the latest forecast in a minute, but first, marissa joins us from i 95 in philadelphia and katie beck is at reagan national airport outside washington, d.c. and marissa, 100 million americans say they plan to take to the roads for the holidays. how is it looking and what should drivers expect over the coming days? >> before i get into what we're seeing on the ground here, we got to talk about what the midwest is seeing, because they are just, they're seeing a whole lot more compelling i
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