biden, was doing, staff gettin stuff done, maybe not having these people on tv all the tim is a good thing. that said, dean, you heard a lot, a whole bunch of people thinking, joe biden going to run again? the guy gets a lot of stuf done, the guy has brough russia to its knees, and yet all sorts of people are like, don't know, joe biden, 2020, for what do you think? >> this is what people in th media, do i'm sure they, notic but they love to have this horse racing going, on we have debates on the idea of joe biden running or not, he i running. if he runs, he will be the democratic nominee he has done an outstanding job vice president harris has been a great effective vice president, one day she might actually be our president of the united states in the hop so so of course we are going t debate what joe biden's runnin will be the nominee, who wil win the 2024 probably usher in a democratic-controlled hous and senate again - >> wow, all, right that is wha i love about the two, if you are both very definite, your great friends, thank you for being with us, dean is the hos

of the - columnist for msnbc, daily molly is a special correspondent with the vanit fair and the politic broadcast. both of these shows ar fantastic, so you should mak sure that you tune into them all right, don't go anywhere straight ahead, a brand-ne batch of documents from januar six committee has dropped. we will have the latest on these new revelations, what we know and where we go from, her plus, donald trump fought fo years to keep his tax, between now the congress has, them w are in fact learning som things that no one actuall expected to find out another hour of elie velsh begins right now >> and good morning, to it i christmas eve, it is cold, i is 9 am in east, 6 am in the west, and its final days o existence, still dropping -- interview transcripts and we are still here sifting through them for new revelations

the committee released its final report less thursday night and a fresh batch of witness transcripts just las night in a historic move i recommended that congres consider banning donald trum from ever holding office again the committee cited the 14th amendment disqualification clause which prohibits those who engaged in, quote, insurrection, or given aid o comfort to the enemies fro holding federal or state office it is just one of the nearly dozen proposals on how t prevent -- that were included in th committee's highly anticipated final report throughout that sprawling 84 page document, the panel zeroe in on trump, calling the disgraced ex president, quote, the central cause of january 6th. the committee goes on to write quote, none of the events of january 6th would have happene without him. the report comes just days after the committee voted to - against the ex president on monday, they refer donald trump to the justice departmen for prosecution, on four

criminal charges, includin obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy t defraud the federal government a conspiracy to make a false statement, and this, one of th big one, inciting or assisting an insurrection. but trump is not the only on who's faith now lies in th hands of the justice department, the, sky the panel referred th conservative attorney john eastman to the doj for his rol in the fake electors scheme. those days report also som others who could face criminal prosecution, the others coul refer to a cast of who enabler or named in the report itself, such as the ex chief of staf mark meadows, trump vali lawyer rudy giuliani, jeffre clark, and kenneth chesebro, chief burrow the panel named choose burro specifically as one of the potential, quote coconspirators in the disgrace ex presidents attempt to hol on to power and its fina report the committee identifie cheese burrow as opposed t

eastman as the architect o trump's bogus of fake electors plot that is not all, along with th final report, the panel ha released dozens of testimony transcripts in full to the public, including a neve before seen transcript of th former white house aide cassid hutchinson's interview with th committee. you saw some of it, but this brought you hadn't, seen one o those interviews, hutchinson told investigators her first lawyer guy - who served as deputy white house counsel under trump ha tried to influence her testimony. but johnson recalled her telling her to quote focus o protecting the president following the release of the report, trump took to hi social media website to respond, he deflected blame on to nancy pelosi of all people and he doubled down on his election lies. we have made that really small on the screen, so you don' actually have to read it in the coming, days of the committee is expected to continue the release of more and more of those transcripts,

there will be about 400 in total, but - the committee is set to disban on january 3rd when republican take over the house. i want to break down thi historic week with the nbc new presidential historian michael -- author of the book president of war the epic story from 180 to modern times. michael, i really want to talk to about this historic week, i want to talk to you abou zelenskyy and his address to congress but i think we need t talk about this very momen because this is a big an important deal the unite states congress asked come t conclusions through a very lon investigation with 1 million documents and thousands of people interviewed that th former president of the united states should be disallowe from running for office an they would like the department of justice to pursue this. whatever happens next, this is massive that this is happening >> sure it is. even setting aside the probability that the departmen of justice is going to act

against donald trump and other as a result of this, january 6th report with criminal charges, i think the large thing is, you and i love democracy, and we have bee worried about this, year and i love your personal story campaigning through your dad i canada and early moment in you life you got into democracy by actively much earlier than mos of us do here this year, if you and i were talking as we actually did, a couple of months ago, i woul have said as i did, there is a danger that election day 2022, a lot of election deniers will be elected to high office, and states that are going to be ke to the 2024 presidential election, and therefore if a let's say democrat wins thos states in 2024, these states might have just as well gone on, and send fake electors t washington to learn what trump

wanted to do with the januar six report and the 202 election not only at the presidential level would hav been null and void now means our democrac would've been out the window because of the election results, in november, that is not happening thank god. >> and, the other thing, jus as you are saying, for someone who loves democracy, let's say there had been no january 6th, report no committee, donal trump would have been th architect of an insurrection against this country, as evi or worse than jefferson -- where they can fare do c o 1861 and, he would have bee unpunished no official body would hav said he did it, and this is, wrong and he must never be allowed to run for office ever again, now that is all bee said you know, democracy only survives if we punish th

things that try to bring i down >> right, i think it is an important, point by the wa that makes the first guy t zelenskyy, because listening t a speech you and i were on t together as it was happening you could say he was talking t congress, because they nee that congressionally approve aid, you could say that he was talking to the american people to continue their support an encourage congress to do this. you could say he was speakin to vladimir putin because to see that president and h o shill like presentation of congress must have made puti very worried but to your earlier point you might have just been talking to those o us who are actually fighting for democracy around the world and in the united states, to remind us that they ar actually fighting with guns an in the cold to protect their democracy. we don't have to face missiles and tanks, we have our vote, w can fix this >> absolutely. it is the same thing we are fighting to defen democracy at home, that war we are winning. it did not look that we couple months, ago but we are not

winning. we should really happily lov our democracy, and as you well know, the founders always felt that democracy in the united states would be intertwine with democracy in othe countries. and, who would - people like jefferson and th other founders love, but zelenskyy and a far of country ukraine, who is showing ho important the struggle for freedom really is, and the people who love democracy in ukraine so, much they ar willing to die for it if the have to. doesn't that sound like ou revolution >> right >> jefferson and the other said they hope the contagion o democracy will spread around the world, and that is i questionnaire go >> and zelenskyy in his speech talked about the battle of saratoga, the battle of the -- and he made a whole bunch of people google both of thos battles, who say what is h talking about, but what yo realized what he was talking about in saratoga, it was th first time the british had a real signal that these americans are not going to fol in the same way that russi

invaded ukraine and though this was going to take 3 to days so toga is when the britis realized, that is not gonn happen, and the battle fough at christmas was where americans were not going to wi and he won >> totally and did king georgia at th time of our revolution eve think that we americans had serious chance of winning ou dependence against the might british navy and everythin else, of course he did who does that sound like i moscow so history is new again, and i we really believe what we sa and emboldening democrac around the world, trying t help those who are fighting fo this because it helps all of us, that is another point that zelenskyy meant as well. >> what a week we are grateful that you hav been with us to interpret it for us in realtime, and -- my honor thank you my friend, nbc new presidential historian and author of the important book president of war after the break, we will tal about one of the mos

surprising things we learned from don trump's tax returns this week with a member th house committee who voted to release those tax returns, plu could the tide be turning in ukraine, we will provide som historical context to ukrainia presidents volodymyr zelenskyy's american visit and his speech before congress including what it means for th future of war and the fight fo democracy. also coming up at the top of the hour i am very excited about this, it is a special, but first year and meeting o the velshi banned book clu featuring some of your favorit authors never berefo broadcast clips from extended interviews [baby yawning] let's get you home for the holidays. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪

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are -- they are extremely complex people would not understand. >> we are under audit, but despite what people said, we are working that out as i' always under audit it seems, but i have been under audit fo many years >> those were all lies

the former president donal trump repeatedly claiming hi tax returns were under, audi therefore he could not release them to the public piece by is fighting to keep them secret from congress, finally lost that battle on to front when the supreme court cleared the way for th committee to obtain -- and then when the committe voted this week to release the to the public, that is how w know that donald trump was not under audit. certainly not during the first two years in office when h made those statements. this, despite an irs rule that states, quote the individual tax returns for the presiden and vice president are subject to mandatory review, and quote the irs did subject both barac obama and joe biden to those annual audits when they took office according t spokespeople, so all of this raises questions about why the seamlessly were not of light t the former president according to the report from the ways and means committee

the irs started's first audi of the taxes in april of 2019. is third year in office an ironically, the very same da the committee requested a copy of donald trump's tax returns. for more on this, i'm joined b the democratic congressman o wisconsin, a member of the house ways and means committee congressman, thank you for being with us as you always are, i really always appreciate the time and at this point if yo are just want to thank you for always doing that. i don't know, i am not surprised at all, zero about the fact that donald trump was lying about his audi interesting to note it was not true we are a little surprised by the fact the irs wa supposed to audit him and di not and the timing of the audi in 2019 now seems highly suspicious >> good morning allie, so good to be with you i was really nervous when heard you announce earlier i the program that we were going

to talk about the surprise that we have found regarding trump's taxes i don't think we have that many surprises t report here, so i hope we ar not depending on me to come up with any surprises >> mostly the irs, the irs stuff was to me the bigges surprise why do we think the irs did no conduct the audit it was supposed to? >> well, you know, i don't wan to assume that there were an nefarious purposes or nefariou activity but there are som flaws that the joint tax committee found and you know the chairman agents found. for one thing, there is only one person, assigned to do thi audit work the expertise for doing th

audit report was not there donald trump was right, it is very complicated taxes i mean, four, 500 companies. we only asked for eight of the donald trump companies and h only provided six tax return of the eight we asked for. but there are hundreds o entities, and so, his taxes, they were so complex that it was really puzzling to the joint committee on taxatio that the irs just relied o donald trump's words, and di not audit. so, the money we asked for, to -- the staff and personnel at the irs, we needed it exactly fo the purposes of looking at complicated tax returns like these. and, there are lots and lots o

what they call, -- large -- on usual questionable's, you know, like for example, th charitable tax deductions that he took. like the net operating losse and carry overs. like the cost of stuff tha they supposedly sold i guess this would be the trump wine o steaks or whatever nobody knows what he sold, right, these are under reimbursed partnerships. so, these such that donald trump a couple u.s. go 750-dollar - paid $750 in taxes, some years no taxes at all, the cost of all these losses they claim. so this, you know, no matter

who you are, this would trigge an audit but, those years that he was president of the united states are -- ali, we're u.s. where there wa a rule as you pointed out with the irs that there be mandator audits and why? because he is not the averag taxpayer he is the president of the united states. and, we do not want to be -- i mean, he has the authority and ability to fight bills lik this 1.7 trillion dollar preparation bill we just put out. with huge military expenditure in a and we the public hav demanded throughout history to know what the commander in chief's interests are and, you know, i would be prepared to discuss that if you want to, but this notion that every

president, vice president sinc nixon has done it, let me tell you ali, it was like pulling teeth. i mean, both the nixon's gerald been the has been, an you know, teresa hines did not want to provide tax returns, but the public demanded it and, yeah, the fact that irs did not audit is a puzzle. >> so i guess, is this i donald trump, problem is thi it actually, prompt or an ir problem? >> you know, it is all of th above. but, specifically, it is - we need to, the irs rule is no in statute so one of the purposes of doin this audit was to determin whether or not we need to make this a statutory mandate, we also need to finance the

ability to - for them to do it. >> if you have a complicated person running for president you need the staff at the ir to be able to go through tha stuff. >> exactly i mean, all of us basicall work on a job, we get paid, yo know, it is very transparent what is on our 10:40, but with a complicated tax return, an being the president of the united states, these mandatory -- so i'm careful not to quot unquote blame the irs. and, no ability to do this i personally have not seen the actual tax returns because the are being redacted for persona information, social security numbers, those kinds of things but, i can see from th chairman's report here, and th findings of the joint committe on taxation that there wer lots of large unusua

questionable's that needed t be examined. >> let me ask you this, though this is sort of a bill bar wrote something about donald trump, then bill barr became attorney general in 2018, - had written an article i forbes defending trump's refusal to release this ta returns while he was a candidate, and guess what, the guy becomes the commissioner o the irs. was that a problem we ar looking into >> i don't know that that is a subject of this inquiry, and you know, the 118th in congres will not be controlled b democrats, and i am sure tha the democrats are -- were prepared to indict th commissioner of insurance, matter fact he has some very staunch supporters, i just wan to point out, all of our speculation about whether or not donald trump deserved thes deductions whether or not they

are appropriate there is n conclusion that they were wrong. -- >> we -- >> write, i hear you, bellaire point we could've had a discussion i we got the stuff when we wer supposed to get the stuff, and people would have a chance t evaluate yeah congresswoman, good to see, as always, thank you for bein with us and have yourself an excellent christmas. >> oh i will i'm home, snug, below zero >> it is cold. >> and i have blankets up to the window and we are doin great. >> wisconsin's no known how to handle, less of democratic congressman of wisconsin coming up, we were talking about the, whether it is actually massive, some homes o the winter storm that is affecting much of the countr this holiday weekend we will have a lab report from the states hit hardest, and we will give you a forecast o where the storm is headed next two hundred and fifty million dollars to charity. in fact, subaru is the largest corporate donor to the aspca...

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records across the unite states according to th national weather service dangerously cold temperature slamming the eastern two third of the country, parts of the midwest and the northeast ar facing blizzard-like conditions at least 17 people acros several states have died because of severe weathe related incidents. forecasters say thes life-threatening temperature could remain for the weekend more than 1.6 million people are reported to be without power in the u.s., hundreds of thousands of them in north carolina tennessee and maine additionally, government officials say the american should be prepared with warmin kits, and try to stay home let's check in again with nbc' -- obviously blizzard-lik conditions in our mystery, and what is the, latest it seems snowy or than the last woman saw you? >> you know, it changes by the minute, it all depends on what that wind is doing in a moment notice you, know one thing w are seeing is thos temperatures are remaining frigidly cold, something being expressed by more than half of this country, essentiall

everyone east of the rockies experiencing these extremely cold temperatures. we have the cold temperatures, the snow, and the whipping win making for dangerous and sometimes deadly combination folks are just trying to hea home for the destinations as holiday weekend. >> a christmas eve arctic blas is upon laying on the -- buffalo battered with historic blizzard, wind gust exceeding 70 miles per hour, causing whiteout conditions. >> there is cars about 35, 4 feet away, barely see them >> knocking out power. >> i'm actually doing this briefing from home, withou power. >> and prompting a travel ba throughout the area. >> this is an epic statewide hazard, there is no other wa to describe this >> the rapidly intensifyin system known as a bomb cyclone turning deadly ohio's governor announcing fou people died in weather related accidents.

at least three people killed i kentucky >> the last -- not worth it if it would cos you your life. >> lake effect snow leaving trail of car crashes and traffic pileups. more than 1 million people los power, flash floods followed b frigid temperatures could spel more trouble today in new york the storm bringing holiday travel to its knees, groun stops keeping planes out of th air from seattle to charlotte, milwaukee to memphis seattle's ice storm promptin alaska airlines to cancel more than 500 flights across the country, nearly 600 cancellations and more tha 10,000 delays. >> i'm very sad, because by th time i reach, home it is going to be nighttime. and, christmas will be over. >> after three days canceled flights and travel frustration sydney joined strangers, rente a car, and drove through the night from nashville t indiana. making it home in time for tha

christmas weekend reunion. >> now, ali, i know you are th one who enjoys a bit of good news, so i want to leave you with this. the national weather service saying they are far ou forecast on the back half of next week's shows that we coul be experiencing unseasonably warm weather in this area, and in much of the country if yo look at the temperatures i chicago right now, especiall the windchill, it will fee like 90 degrees warmer than it does right now >> wow all right, well the folk around there in that nick of the, would they do know how to handle it. that is an awful lot of, sno and there is a lot of danger and power outages along there. thank you very, much as always -- in benton harbor, michigan for more on where the storm is headed next, let's bring in nb news meteorologist - she is tracking the storm force, and, she could to, see thank you for being with, us what is happening in the storm >> the good news is, ali,

will bring in the, news th storm system is moving, out it does not mean the impacts will be eliminated through the da today. let's take a look at exactly where it goes. it moves into parts of canada, but we are still left over wit some of that lake effect snow. these mantle be persistent, we have already received over two feet of snow in places lik buffalo airports that have reported 27 inches since yesterday, and we are not done with it. it will be another date wher folks in cleveland, buffalo, still deal with the blizzard conditions, the strong win gusts are going to continue to take shape here, and we ar going to see those persisten bands of snow as well. that is what they are dealin with there you can see, as we look at the wind gust right now, those speeds coming in our 46 mile per hour in buffalo, but not just, that we are seeing elevated winds in places lik detroit at 30 miles per hour chicago 26 miles per, hour any snow that is on the ground w are looking for reduce visibility is to continue toda with those elevated wind gusts we had 150 million people stil impacted when it comes to --

these are basically from borde to border, from canada t mexico border, including muc of the country you see why. much of the -- st. louis, and a little farthe to the south, the sunshine state, not feeling so grea right now. 27 degrees for what it feels like there as we get through the next couple of days, though we will start to see improvements, and we will see some warme temperatures and it will feel bit more like it is supposed t this time of year. >> as you know - all day, nbc meteorologist andrew - all right, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is bac home after delivering a speech before congress on capitol hill, it was his first known shi outside russia since russi invaded back in february -- >> we will discuss that next o

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our freedom. we will celebrate christmas. even if there is no electricity, the light of our faith, an ourselves, will not be without >> even if there is no electricity, the light of th faith and ourselves will not b put out. ukrainian president volodymy zelenskyy on wednesday addressing both chambers o commerce on capitol hill, no back in ukraine leading hi people against russian aggression this week's trip to washington 's - first known trip out of ukraine, and, during the address, is former actor and satire suchan politician, he lived up to his reputation as a powerful and masterful communicator he highlighted historica parallels between the curren war in ukraine, and numerous other fights for freedom but i will argue, even som americans may not have bee entirely familiar with today's day in age, the battle o

saratoga 1777 i believe during the american revolution in the battle of the -- woods took place over christma near the borders of belgium an germany. while zelenskyy's waffle speec was delivered in d.c. before hundreds of american lawmakers the show of strength and solidarity with the united states was geared toward another audience as well, an audience of one named vladimir putin. what more on the significanc of all, this i'm joined by - former united states ambassado to ukraine, and here with me as, well - professor of history at ne york university the author o the lucid newsletter which tracks threats to democracy, and offered -- from - good morning to both, a view thank you for joining us, ruth let me start with, you because i was thinking as i watched, i addition to the audience o lawmakers, there is th audience of americans who ar worried about our democrac around the world, what vladimi putin must have been watching, what do you think was goin through the mind of th

dictator who invaded ukraine o february 24th in a war that wa supposed to be over in a few days >> yeah, well, i think the strength and resolve to yo know, try and annihilate ukraine completely, and i' sorry that zelenskyy had to go there at all i really am, it was good the did, but there is been a ambivalence in the u.s. an allies to simply give ukrain what it needs to win this war, and that is a mistake becaus the problem is the autocrats think about war differently, putin does not care abou opinions much, you can manipulate, it he will not b voted out, and he above al does not care about loss o life of some people, so he can make a battle plan tha includes - thousands of russian, lives an said that they are inadequat

for equipment and he wants t wait this out, and hope that the world develop switzerland' key calls ukraine fatigue. >> ambassador, let's talk abou that for a second, because there was a time, even when was there after the beginnin of the, war when there were lot of ukrainians who said they did not think when this guy was a four, election h would be up for the job. one reason is -- and they did not think zelenskyy was corrupt, how d you manage a country with that problem. number two, the adversary was, russia they did not thinking o statement would be up to the job number three if there wa invasion, they did not think this would be a what i'm leader, he has proved everyone wrong s far, ukrainians are bein frozen out, he said th russians are using winter as a weapon, and they are not stopping their fight so, tell me how you watche that speech, and what you make of it. >> so, ali, that was a masterful speech he had a couple of messages,

the first was, thank you he thanked americans for the support that we have bee providing, the united states had been providing to th american people, the congress, administration, and ukrainians you are speaking for all ukrainians they know that without tha support, from both the unite states and the rest of the alliance, the coalition that they put without that support, they would not be where they are 304 days, 304 days tha they have been fighting agains the russians and succeeding. he knows that is important, so he is thankful for that. and, he wants more you have coarse needs more because exactly what - putin does not care abou casualties, what putin is goin to have to face is a defeat on the battlefield, and the onl way the cranium's are going to continue to defeat the russian on that, if there is continues report from the united state

and the rest of the allies >> so there was a little bit o that conversation that we have had, you and i have ha conversations about in the las couple of years. it is our fight for democrac here in the united states, and their fight for democracy in ukraine. they look different becaus they have missiles and tanks and war and power outages, w don't. but his speech was sprinkled with all sorts of references that sort of reminded americ that we are in this together will it do the job with th republicans some of whom don't want to continue the level o support that america has bee given ukraine, and we'll tak control of the house durin january. >> the tragedy is those people are not -- they want to take down democracy, and let's remember, the gop is now embedded in thi far-right internationa networks they are in brasilia, the hubs are in budapest, and so thei

goal is very different but, when zelenskyy says tha being in ukraine is an investment and global security the other reason i wanted to point out, the reason i'm such a hard line on this and say he shouldn't have had to go, ther is that the more autocrat gets away with genocide and other things, the more that othe autocrats are looking and will feel emboldened. since the start of the war, we have already seen that china has become much more aggressiv about taiwan, and we now see turkey is ramping up its imperialist rhetoric, syria, greece, and so the world becomes a less safe place, the longer putin is allowed to wag this war >> i'm going to ask you guys t stick around for, second w will take a quick, break whe we come back i will continue m conversationit wh -- and -- stay with us let's go! ♪♪

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>> i'm back with william taylo former united states ambassado to ukraine and professor o history at new york university and author of the book strongman from mussolini to th president. let me ask you about, somethin you said the second point that a lot of missile lynskey wan more, and they have lots o references in the speech to wh this would be a good investment, or what this is somethin americans should do. i made a reference to th battle of the bulge, let's listen to what he had to say about that >> they threw everything against us, similar to the other, tyranny which is in the battle of the. -- just like the brave american soldiers which filled thei lives, and fought back hitler' forces during the christmas of 1944 brave ukrainian soldiers are doing the same to putin' forces, this christmas

ukraine holds its lines an will never surrender >> ukraine holds its lines, an will never surrender he is appealing to an american sense of patriotism, and a american sense of democracy, resilience, and resolve. it almost -- it wasn't coated languag because he was talking about a specific example that many americans will actually know o and remembering, but it was al part of this whole thing to sa your energy and money and time is not wasted on this. >> absolutely right. he is making the point tha ukraine is on the front line ukraine is doing the fighting, they are fighting the russians are the ones who invaded and ukrainians are stopping them and pushing them out ukraine is on the front line not just this immediat military, battle but also on

this ideological battle. ukraine is on the front line o democratic nations fightin against autocratic nations and, he made that point with world war ii, and there are lot of analogies that go along with that. ruth one of the other things h said was interesting to me because it was a message not just to vladimir putin about the russian people themselves. listen to this >> russian tyranny has los control over us, and it will never influence our mind again. yet, we have to do whatever it takes to ensure that congres -- of the global south such victory. i know one more i think very important thing the russians will stand a chance to be free only when they defeat th kremlin and --

definitely more meaningful to russian audience and a american audience, they will stand a chance to be free only when they defeat the kremlin i their own minds. obviously, russians will hav to do something more tha defeat the kremlin in their own, minds what was he implying that the russians can overthro their governments, or someho pressure putin to get out of ukraine? >> well, you know, as we know, whatever happens to putin is a matter for the russian peopl to decide. and, there is zelenskyy know the extent of disaffection i the military due to this culture of institutionalized - humiliation and seeing the exposed by corruption, and h knows there's been plenty of protests in russia which has been shut down, and, the tragedy of authoritarianism an this is the kremlin informatio warfare parade book, is it aim to -

act against his own interest so you support people wh despise you, and this war ha shown that russians know better tha anyone 300,000 men and probabl more now trying to flee th borders, they try to get out o russia, so they don't have t fight. they don't want to fight thi war many of them so, freeing their minds from disinformation, i think that i already been done. why autocrats do is when the start to lose control, the exert more and more oppression so i think zelenskyy is -- about where that leads >> both of you have stayed wit us in our audience, on keeping the world's eye on ukraine ove the last year, it is important that we don't lose sight o this very important battle o our time -- and the author of strongme from mussolini to th

president. this year, we've had more than two dozen -- featuring 26 different books that have faced calls fo banning. coming up next, you will notice, we did not do it today, becaus we will do a lot of. it when we come back, we wil take a look back at some of th most poignant an thought-provoking interviews that we have done so far, in a special hour long year and meeting of the velshi fan book club straight ahead on velshi, go nowhere. back to tide. one wash, stains are gone. [daughter] slurping don't pay for water. pay for clean. it's got to be tide.

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club in february of 2020, to a has grown into something large and more fruitful than we ever imagined the velshi banned book club wa created in response to the targeting and removal of s many important books fro libraries and school curriculums across the country according to p.e.n. america, the nonprofit organization tha champions the freedom to rea and write in the united states from july 2020, one to jun 2022 there were 2532 instances of individual books being banned. that is a shocking number. what the figure does not mak clear, the types of books that are being banned as we begin to compile our own list of banned literature to feature for you with authors from margaret atwood t jonathan - a clear pattern emerged. it became apparent that th most frequently targeted books should at least one of the sam