i'm ali velshi welcome to a very specia meeting of the velshi banned book club. we started the banned book clu and february of 2022, it's

grown into something larger an more fruitful than we uppe match and. the velshi banned book club wa created in response to the targeting a removal of so many important books from libraries and school curricula across th country. according to p.e.n. america, and nonprofit organization the champions the freedom to rea and write in the united states from july 2021 to june 2022, there were 2532 instances of individual books been banned that's a shocking number what the figure doesn't make clear is the types of book that have been fans. as we begin to compile our own list of banned literature, or feature for you, with author from margaret atwood to -- a clear pattern emerged. it became apparent that th most frequently targeted boo shared at least one of the sam three topics sexuality or gender, and sexua identity, race, and bodily autonomy including sexual and physica violence we're moving books that deal with these three very real

topics sends a clear message t readers that those group matter less than those experience should be explore plus they certainly shouldn't b discussed in classrooms with kids parents have stood at length a the school board meetings, rea passages from these books. entirely out of context, apropos of nothing the so-called activists do not typically read the books i their entirety they rely on lists of hundreds of titles that come directly from conservative lawmaker desks, or from organiz conservative pressure groups these parents are not acting alone. they're not acting out o misguided altruism many will have you believe tha they're concerned parents. there are people who are metaphorically burning books under the guise of protectin their children, preserving their innocence. they've got it backwards they're robbing their children and doing them a great disservice picking up a copy of the books speak could help a young woman recovering from sexual assault find her voice

reading your market could help us black student who felt th burn of racism feel a little u alone. opening boy race could help student grappling with her own sexual identity to fee understood and even loved. books like these can sav lives. understanding the literature and discussing those topics, racism, sexual identity, sexua violence, it's crucial for eac and every one of us, for a nation, for ability to nurture critical thinking an ultimately, as you will hear from margaret atwood, fo democracy itself these are stories that educate nurture, and comfort at the start of the velshi banned book club, our thesis i that censorship was never okay today, that the system holds after still thinking, an speaking with so many authors, reading some of these targeted books, the velshi banned boo club has become more than just the platform to highligh instances of censorship. it's a form of resistance. reading as resistance. we are going to keep opening these books, and we're going t keep discussing them this is the very first year an

meeting of the velshi banned book club. let's get started. as we started this project, on bestseller a margin ever banned book club from ohio t florida. all boys are blue, from join johnson. this was the first - written as a number of essays, all boys aren't blue is poignant coming of age story that follows johnson fro childhood to young adults died as they grapple with their identity and agency, as a black, non-binary person. all boys aren't blue touches o a breath of critical issues, including institutionalized an racialized violence, sexua abuse, and gender identity exactly the themes that we'v seen band again and again an again. one of the most interestin things about featuring all boy aren't blue was the reaction w got from you, a book clu members. many cisgendered and white velshi viewers wrote as with emotional response is that t finishing their copy, provin just how worthwhile this kin

of emotional and ann storytelling truly is. i started our conversation b ask even why the book has been challenged so many times here's what they had to say. >> it's very simple, my book tells the truth. my book tells the truth abou the black experience it tells the truth about the queer experience it tells the truth about the black queer experience a lot of people are upse because my book of the actua truth of, against the storie that many of us historically a young adults have been condition to be leave as the truth. i push back against notions of the forefathers, the founder of this nation, and i've given the actual truth about what th real experiences like to gro up black unclear in america. we know that one thing about

the united states of america i that telling the truth about the situation that we are in has always been a threat to th truth, which has bee indoctrinated and mass my book tells the truth. a lot of people are not happ about that >> what do you say to argument that says it's about the sex there are two detailed sex scenes involve, including scene involving rape you write about sexual trauma, sexual awakening, in fact, one of our viewers wrote in part sane, i wouldn't want a chil to read this chapter befor they have been introduced to the way normal sex happens that's their language, norma sex happens, and the healt risks related to all kinds o sex. i would want kids to know that the health risks of any kind o contact expends and financiall when people are in contact wit more people. the viewer goes on to argue in favor of banning all boys ar blue for elementary school

students, but not for olde students what do you make of that >> what i make of that is, wel thank you. on amazon, barnes and noble, and every other major website, the book is from 14 to 18 year olds thank you for confirming exactly what we have bee saying from the very beginning it is interesting that the ter child is being used. this book is not for children. it is not a children's book. it is not out -- it is a young adult book for kids aged 14 to 18 when you look at the website it also says, great ten throug 12 this book is geared toward young adults who are actuall experiencing those types o things because i dealt with sexua assaults by the age of 12, t say that, oh i don't want my child to read about this i like, yes, but your child' already 16, i was 12 when dealt with this, your chil

could already be dealing wit this issue to pretend that our tetons are not, even if they're not havin sex, they're talking about it. this book is literally just ou resource guide to give them th information, the tools, an that knowledge they need shoul they enter that particular space. our school systems are tryin to deny them that information. denying them that informatio doesn't mean that they're no still dealing with the actua thing that's happening that's all my book is doing. >> one more big thank you to georgia on senate, the autho of all boys aren't blue, for joining us in february still ahead at the year an meeting at the velshi banned book club, who are going t dive into the pulitzer prize-winning novel, beloved by the late tony louriston this writing change th literary landscape forever, an open the door for discussion about black identity and the black experience plus, some of our featured authors have advice for parent

who want to ban books. these authors have uniqu insights because they have kid to when we first conceived of the velshi banned book club, there was a handful of titles that just kept coming up. everyone from producers on the show, to you at home, wanted t hear from margaret atwood. and everyone wanted to discuss the handmaid's tale. we debt, for the tire half hour you don't want to miss i eerily prophetic conversation, along with some never before broadcast moments. we'll be right back. this'll help. vicks vaporub? vicks vaporub's ...medicated vapors go straight to the source of your cough... ...so you can relieve your cough to breathe easier. vicks vaporub. fast-acting cough relief. i always want to know more about my family history. we sit down at the kitchen table, pull up the ancestry app, drink our coffee looking at all the information, all the tiny details. dad, check this out. colorize it. -look at that. -wow. everyone has color. look at that afro. that was the style. you had to have it, otherwise you're not cool.

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the mid-80s, and the strangely contemporary story it sells. they have a stale takes plac in the near future, where th york roddick militar dictatorship notice gilead, ha overthrown the u.s. government the new regime reorganizes aside uses an extrem interpretation of the bibles old testament with women at th lowest rank. the government has reintroduce forced surrogacy, allen at the handmaids, in the book o genesis. the day after meeting with margaret atwood, and dropped the supreme court's majority decision on dobbs versus jackson, women's healt organization leaked a decision that would ultimatel explicitly overturn roe v. wade, a penny woman safety and bodil autonomy and that moment, the dystopian theocratic world that margaret

atwood had created in her book felt suffocatingly close, an all too feasible, propheti even the handmaid's tale has become ubiquitous, is nothing short o a modern classical, most every american knows about, at least by name. the book grapples the themes that are becoming more and mor relevant every single day, including the degradation of women's reproductive rights. the rise of autocratic regimes the fragrant disregard o environmental issues it does so by utilizing an introspective non linear plots as well as nuanced characters. my conversation with margare atwood went all the way to the end of the show, but was s good because going after w were off the air we recorded a deeper and mor vied ranging interview with -- streaming platform, peacock. some of which i'd like to shar with you now here's what margaret had to sa when i as to why she was mor worried on that day in may whe she force what the handmaid' tale in the mid 1980s. >> you know the answer to that

it's because something that wa a nascent movement in the 80 has now become full fledged. people have seen raising religious slogans as a pathway to political power they have taken that pathway and many of them hav succeeded. it is a sham version o christiana day, and my opinion >> and, fact is it anything to do with christiane ade i wonder, did donald trump sor of, he made it sound like he was wrapped in religious conservatives and even thoug his history doesn't suggest an of that at all it was a pathway to power. in the handmaid's tale, were you predicting that religion itself, or at least pr versions of religion, woul become the eminent form of government or was that all meant to be pathway to power, and religion was just a convenient cloak?

>> well, we're just talkin about the united states here okay we're not even talking about canada it would be a lot harder i canada we're not talking about england, because they have thei religious war in the 17t century. whatever else they might do, they're unlikely to do that. the united states never had religious war. they had a war it wasn't a religious war. if anything, americans - the bible thumping was done by the north. there have never had tha religious war, but they have watched the religious wars going on in europe, and that i why they've written th constitution the way they did. they wanted freedom to worship so that people would not murde one another in the name of hav a in one religion conquero

over another religion. i think the thing to ask about religion is not what religio you practice, but how are yo practicing are you practicing it to har other people or are you practicing it as form of support and consolatio for yourself there is a big difference. >> there was the passage - >> it's more likely to b religion and the united states because there's enough of population base is willing t buy into one particula interpretation of -- and unfortunately, and the states where you are seein that evidence, it is in croc congress flee -- by the form of white supremacists it has no basis in the bible it has no basis in historica

facts. >> let me ask you about passage on page one 74 tha struck me given the amount o attention that were given to what happened on january six 2021 the awards and the boockvar, keep calm, they said o television everything is under control. that is when they suspended th constitution they said it would b temporary. there wasn't even any riotin in the streets people stayed home and i watching television, looking for some direction there wasn't even an enemy you could put your finger on that hits home, as you've said here on a new show, in a world where there are completely different views as to what happened during an attempted insurrection on january six. this idea that the news wa what's your characters in th handmaid's tale dependent on t tell them the truth becaus good, reliable information had been cut off >> yes, well the first thing

any respectable crew does is seize the communicatio channels they had for the televisio station, the radio station, as well with their first acts that, of, course wouldn't have happened the difference between january the 6th, and what happens in the handmaid's tale, is what happens in the handmaid's tale was better organized same idea. same idea. it came within a whisper o have been martial law declared we now know from messages that have been revealed that that was on the minds of some of th insiders who were hoping for coup >> i want to look at when he o other works. a few years before you published the handmaid's tale,

you publish something called second wards in which you are right, i bega as a profoundly a politica writer, but then it began to d little novelists and poets to, again to describe the worl around me. you have not stopped writing and all of that time, far from it you write a great deal tell me about the evolution of your politics. were they sort of baked when you what the handmaid's tale and the world unfolding as you predicted? or has your politics changed i any way? >> yeah, i don't have any bake politics i didn't grow up in a family that had bags politics, ther weren't. they wore many ways they weren't very baked, but they were scientists. scientists like to look at evidence they like to test evidence and see whether the hypothesis tha

they have been presented wit is true. and one of those old people fo whom transactions stil matters. >> many thanks to margaret atwood, author of numerous book, including the award-winning, bookend mainsail she's come many times on the velshi book club the year end meeting at th velshi book club, works fiction, bad around the eyes, have th power to help you conquer your biggest fears, considering things you've never once examines it even changes steadfas opinion. just ask - the bestselling contemporary author of $27, including the book that we featured on thi book called 19 minutes >> i think fiction is a really important tool a lot of people will tune ou the news i can't tell you how man people i've talked to in the past week you've said, i can't handle all the stuff about the shootings, and not watching th news this week fiction is supposed to be an escape, but if you write about

topics like i choose to, wha you do is get readers invested in the story and in th characters by the time that the last page is turned, you force them to confront an issue that maybe they didn't want to confront you've done it in a way that allows them to look at all sides of a situation you know, you're going to look at the pros in the concert not going to ask them to believe something that maybe i believe, but you are going t ask them to reevaluate why their opinion is what it is. fiction is sort of a back to our way, i think, to get peopl to really question their opinions why they form them, when the form, them and if they shoul be opening up their minds an maybe changing their points of view >> subaru retailers have supported over seventeen hundred hometown charities. (phil) have i witnessed and seen the impact of what we do? you bet i have. (kathryn) we have worked with so many amazing causes and made a difference. (vo) by the end of this year, subaru and our retailers

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scene unfolded the nation watched in horror a 19 children and two teachers were mass murdered by a gunman while simply attending schoo and uvalde, texas. and 2021 alum, nearly 3600

children died by gunfire i america. according to provisional statistics by the cdc, gun violence is now the leadin cause of death for children in america. this talk because rob becaus of the statistics, and uniquel emotional because enough feels unavoidable. how can this wound hero when the scabs torn off again and again? how can you even begin t emotionally prepare your children to attend school in a environment like this? one way you can possibly d that is through books, and b reading them together. one such book is give a boy or got, and by todd straw sir one of the first young adult novels written in the aftermat of the infamous columbin school shields scooting in 1999 give a boy a, gun writte explicitly for adolescents, ca help a young reader explor feelings, fears, and thought around this difficult topic. the book can be a resource, way to work through very rea emotions from the safety o your own home. i started the conversation wit dr. by asking him why he has

received so much pushback, eve calls for banning this book, when it's a work that tackle such unavoidable, unavoidabl real life issue. >> well, it started before columbine. it was in kentucky, an mississippi, and arkansas. there were three shootings in period of about six months and the 1997, 1998 my kids were middle school a the time that is why i am immediately got interest in this this has been going on before, handbook columbine was the event that really pulled the media in, and columbine was th event where we first began t understand that billy played a role now, we have a tremendou responsibility to protec orchids, we all do this is been going on forever. but, there are two ways you ca do it. you can educate and teach kids about danger so that they ca protect themselves, or, you ca

pretend to hide. stick your head in the senate. 2020, or 2000 people were more inclined to stick their head in the sand. now, you can't children literally know abou school shootings before they know how to read >> they hear about it. >> every few pages in your boo you have these footnotes and statistics, including a number of the gun deaths in america the descriptions of erik harrison and dylan - from columbine the perpetrators quotes from congressiona representatives. tell me about this is technique, and why chose to do it >> well, i've done a tremendou amount of research, and ther is so much that i wanted t convey you can't have characters an story just stating facts, an factoids constantly. it doesn't work. you need characters to b

authentic, and say what thes characters really should say i had all this information, was dying to get it out. i decided to add the factoid on the bottom so the pages as way of doing it withou interrupting the narrative >> let me tell you about wha you think about, when introduced you i read a quot by a teacher who said, my most introverted students respond t this i gotta imagine, that's little bit of your goal, right it's not just for everyone, it might be for people who may be on the outside, the fringes, and which they might eithe recognize themselves, or see some reason to participate i the discussion tell me what you're thinking o that front >> well, of course you want to try to reach the kids who are alienated because this is a story about alienate kids i'll tell you somethin fascinating that i never expected i have gotten emails and letters, not huge numbers of them, but from the police. kids who wrote to me that said

i'm a bully, i have pushed kid around i never thought about how this affects the kids a bullet. i never thought about how it affects them emotionally, an how badly it hurts them. >> thanks again to the autho of numerous young adult books, including give a boy are gone. we've got more this year and w know the velshi banned boo club coming, up i, the loudest voices demanding the removal o books on library shelves and curricula are always parents organized and supported by conservative advocacy groups but they are parents nonetheless. close enough young minds wil not make the next generation more intelligence, or more - it's more likely to do the opposite many authors of the velshi banned book club have children themselves, and i asked a fe of them for their thoughts about follow parents who are calling for their books to b banned >> on a sly, i think people ar afraid i say this as a parent myself. i have a fourth grader and a

kindergartner. i understand the impulse, an the instinct to want to keep your kids safe and innocent. the difference between m children and the parents o children who can cry out against this book is that they have to know the information and the puck to stay safe. my have to know this information. >> i'm a parent, so i really relate to those concerns i would tell, them no problem. your child doesn't need to rea this book. if they want to read a, read i with them, if you have concerns >> not just books about sexual violence, but also lgbtq books books that feature protagonist that are not, why not question just all this constellation of books that are under attac right now. when we keep them away from ou children, we are withholding wisdom from our kids we were ricky loeb harder fo our children, and we are damaging our nation.

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pulaski, graphic novel, whit bird, which follows a youn jewish girl in the zone libra, part of france, during world war ii, calls for -- including from one paren saying it is not true. of course it's not true, white bird is a work of fiction. historical fiction, but fictio on the less. it is marketed, labeled, i organizing labor's bookstore as fiction but the most unsettling and gu wrenching parts of this book are categorically true young jewish children did rely on the kindness of strangers t survive, nazis shoulders did shoot members of the frenc resistance, neighbors di suspect one another of not see collusion. it's becoming clearer an clearer that la niña recitin the holocaust death toll i just not enough. facts, figures, and causality, make up just one part of the historical picture understanding that behind ever one of those states in you textbook as a human life tha was just enrich and textured and nuanced, is your own it's never been more necessary to read books like white board

that recount the horrors of th holocaust and illustrate, in n uncertain terms, the evil that was ever-present at the time when i spoke with rj palacio, asked her how she was able t write about something so heavy and deeply upsetting, for such a young group of readers here's what she told me. >> it's a delicate balance i know that i was writing fo middle schoolers, i was writin for, you know, third, fourth fifth graders. i didn't want, i take my responsibility as a children's author very seriously and don't want to betray that trus that parents have in my abilit to convey information. that's difficult for young people i chose a character, sarah bloom, who is a young girl who as you said before, is live in a pretty normal life in france but little by little, she find she is becoming other within our own country. she is becoming ostracized she is suddenly not allowed to

do things that she used to b able to be allowed to do my hope is that readers ca empathize with her, and follow her journey from being on list, you know, of things that are banned in her country, t having to flee from nazis. you know, her mother gets take to a concentration camp, and this is all based on historica fiction. the -- war front resistance, you know i mean the whole thing is base in sort of the frenc resistance and soldiers that were either for or against the nazis in france. >> i want to talk about the an without giving anything away sara story concludes, and then we are back in modern-da america, where the book starts sara struck by an immigratio story recovered extensively on velshi the separation of children fro the parents at the border. she remarks, quote, how coul this be happening? have we learned nothing?

this almost feels like a cal to arms. tell me about this, and it role in the book the idea that we are still doing things that seem lik they would've been wrong in th past >> it's what, is a current events that we're playing ou in this country that inspire media to turn to the subject matter, at this point in time. i was very struck by the quote that is the sort of graph of m book if you don't remember the past to condemn to relive it. i just thought, this might b the appropriate time to draw the parallels between what happened then, and things that were happening now in our ow country, in the stage. so i just thought, this is truly why decided to turn my head to the subject matter a this moment. i thought it was a very topical, unfortunately, topical time. it's a topical news event that seems to be playing out again. concentration camps aren't the beginning of agenda --

that the end of a genocide we start with the ostracizatio of people. we start with the polarization of people. us versus them that's the beginning steps o the atrocities that we end u with i wanted to be able to show, and a book, and his story, tha was for children, how we can g from step to step z, and you know, it's the silence o people that lets it happen >> and our thanks to the autho and illustrator of white bird, rj palacio you're watching the year and meeting at the banned book club, next, we're gonna dive into groundbreaking work from the author, tony morrison. first, i want to highlight som of our featured books. -- derek call early it's a memoir that follows his time in a so-called conversion therapy center at the behest o his parents. we spoke about forgiveness family, religion, in how truly lifesaving literal literatur can be

especially for young adult discovering their sexual identity >> yeah, i mean, i wrote a lot about this in the book i was very suicidal before eve going into conversion therapy. the conversion therapy is kind of a crucible, it builds on al of the horrible feelings tha you have as a gay kid going up in the south a lot of stereotypes tha existed. i was there in the therapy session the last day before left, and they were asking m to sit across from an empt chair, and imagine my father sitting there. they said, you need to show us that you hate him because th stereotype is that a game an less hated smaller, right? this freudian stuff in there i said, i don't hate my father i don't feel that way. i feel sad that we'r disconnected they just kept saying, you'r not telling the truth. luckily, i read 1984 by this point, and learned that word can mean they're opposite. they can be used in a certai way to brainwash people.

i realize this is not love as you're calling yourself 1 action, this is hate in action i stood up and i left th auditorium that's when my mom came to get me i remember thinking, this is not how you show compassion. i was taught compassion. suddenly, it was taken awa from me. you know, my parents made mistake. they'll be the first to admi that they also taught me compassion and love they provided for me, it was a wonderful life, until that happened >> you paint them in a ver positive light in the book there's one scene with your da early into boyer raised, which struck me, it reads, when i wa very, young seven or eight years, old i would wait for my scriptures buyer night wires and walked the hall with m father's bedroom descend on th edge of his bed and wish him awake. i thought he should've understood me without the need for words. this is on page 53 the desire to be seen an understood by once parents a universal. you can't wish that away >> no. i think sometimes toxi

relationships can poison you t such a degree that there is no way to get back, you know? but luckily, my parents ar compassionate people the religious experience as had, i'm not anti religion, i' anti-fundamentalism. there is any literal interpretation of any tax that is often based on just one person's idea of how it should be read. that is incredibly dangerous when you use that either for legislation, or in the trainin of your kids i think that i just never felt that the bible was really abou hatred i felt that it was about compassion and love, and crisi a perfect example of that. ♪♪ silverado zr2, trail boss, and custom trail boss. because adventure is everywhere.

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sometimes it's the words on th page, sometimes it's a theme o the tax, sometimes it's becaus of a remarkable author sometimes it's all three tony morrison and her cannon are the trinity. without question, tony morrison's work expanded literary convention, and without beloved clearing the path for black authors and the block for taking us, there may never have been an all-boy aren't blue to feature in ou series the very presence of these books on summer reading list an english class curricula, is not just revolutionary, it's a credit to morrison herself beloved tells the story of a formerly enslaved woman wh lives with the spirit of her youngest daughter. it is one of those books tha is challenging to summarize. it is nuanced, lyrical language, it's themes are as inherent to the story as are the bones o the plot miss joni morrison once that herself, it is not the fas food, it is a meal that yo should relish. there is no classic work o american literature that i captured both the attention an the ire of americans, includin

repeated calls for banning quite like beloved has the reality is, this the truth and morrison writes will remain, even if every copy of belove is snatched from your librar shelves. it is a hard read, but it is a necessary one. we had two friends of the show princeton university's dr. edward junior, and dr. amani perry, to join us to discuss morrison's legacy, and help us unpack beloved they've even taught a colleg course on tony morrison. it began by asking them abou why they kept returning to beloved over the years here's what they told me >> well there's a couple o pieces one, it's historically significant. it tells you the story of ho slavery became a nationa institution with the fugitiv slave act. -- sent runs away from slavery, she could be caught in ohio. it also tells a story of the post slavery period. that's the interstitial period where the promise of citizenship became still

elusive. the art these human themes tha are -- what does it mean to make life after so much trauma an violence how does one not becom completely defined by th brutality? how does one not become th thing that the larger societ says you are it grapples with being described as part animal b schoolteacher, the struggle of the novel is a novel of become main, and sustaining ones in the face of violence there is something about the book that is both historically significance around race, an also, it has a sorted stee human quality that i think everyone can connect to. >> professor, i've heard fro alan waltz, one of our boo club members, who says the bel beloved, and tony morrison, al my own sorrow, pain, fear, and deep conviction, all of sudden make complete and total

sense. it was as a family was telling me it is okay to feel this way i do, and that there are rea reasons that i do. 20 more than validated my ow feelings in a way i have yet t experience in any other way. tony morrison's ability to layer so much to, it honestly, and feeling and so few words o each and every page simply astounded me i cannot thank her enough an just writing this brings me to tears. so there is something about, a we discussed, sometimes as the ward, sometimes it's the author, sometimes it's the ideas tony morrison's words, and her ability to write in this way that invokes a emotional response is key to why it' important. >> absolutely. it's why writing good novels i so important to helping us become better human beings, to help see the world in differen ways moore's, and tony morrison, wa a master craftsman in this regard part of what's so interestin about beloved is that she is engaged in this ongoin conversation with the slav narrative.

the slave narrative doesn' give you a sense of th anterior life of the slave you remember, the voice had to be authorized by a white professor, white person writin the profit saying, what it follows is too you've got this narrative that is in the service of the ant slavery effort morrison decides to go into th depths of beds to give us a sense of what's happening on the inside of the person who is experiencing the brutality of slavery that's really important. we get a sense of th complexity of the human being. also, this is not necessaril just fiction margaret garner, january 18, 1956 she leaves kentucky, crosses over, declares himself free. and up at a friends house. fugitive slave folk were tryin to retrieve her. she decides to kill her child. tries to kill her child. but she's returned morrison takes - it makes it epic >> a very difficult story to

choose, right? if you're going to choose thos experiences, margaret garner and the killing of the child it's a hard one to popularize. that's why it's tough. last week we talked about graphic novel about th holocaust, also. tough tough to read about thes things, but what choice do w have i worry that people who say, i don't want my kid reading this book because it's uncomfortable, it's tough, it makes them feel that >> yeah, the society is tough. live in a staff. we are aware of unbelievable violence, particularly ove this past week this is not unusual. even in our own experience to ask the question, will what would've made a mother kill he child? how does someone become that also, how does the community respond from that? one of the things more's and does that is so extraordinar is that she always looks o looked from the margins an allow those in the margins t become witnesses

how did this woman get to be this way as the question that's a challenge to society. how does someone get to be tha way? at the end, when the question, the story, the phrase this repeated, it was not a story t pass on. well how did we avoid passin this on? >> our thanks to dr. - eddy by the way, who helped me start this whole thing it was a conversation with eddie that was part of the genesis of the velshi banned book club. thanks daddy and dr. amani perry, both the princeto university 11 of us and make new year resolutions this time a year if you are supposed to rea more, we've got you covered. we're looking forward to man more minutes of the velshi banned book club in 2023 more important literar analysis, more thought-provoking conversation with authors, and more resistance against book bannin as a whole in order to do that, we need your help. our velshi banned book clu members, tell us which band or targeted book you like t discuss and why. we're all ears email the show at my story a

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