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imagine that my garage door made history. this is where the big pres conference took place. i don't even know how to explain 2020 it was a crazy, crazy year >> that things happened in philadelphia >> presidential biden to becom the 46th president of th united states. >> i had no idea what we would be in for. >> i thought my friends were messing with me. >> a philadelphia landscapin company has been thrust into the national spotlight

>> the entire thing wa supposed to be anonymous >> it put me in shock to see m name on the president' twitter. we probably got thousands of calls. >> you have 950 new messages >> we had a lot of haters. >> i remember asking, did we make a mistake ♪ ♪ ♪ there were just way too many trees. here's the other thing, and think we'll discuss this wit the board when we have zoom. >> my name is marie ziravo, i' 65 i'm the president at fou seasons total landscaping in philadelphia we do grounds maintenance an irrigation, seeding, flowers snow removal it's kind of boring. >> i think the most challengin part of starting the busines

and being in business is being woman owned. nobody took you serious. you own the property you have cameras my whole other maintenance man on other properties, the cannot - we help them, they help us if i had $1 for every time i got asked did i have a husband i have a wonderful husband he just had his business and i had mine this is my life. other than my family this is my entire life we want to make sure that if w do purchase this its meeting o needs and that we don't no also need another building i have three boys. michael is the youngest. mike took the general manage role i had to let go a little bit because i want my hands in everything >> how many people get the chance to go to work every day with their mother? >> the first thing we do is fi everything with food this is part of our italia culture.

>> some days are like, phenomenal and some days, she can't figur out how to use the printer, an it's frustrating >> mike! i need some help we have days - and he forget some still his boss, but i try not to use tha card, because i need him t learn everything that is in my head >> i started from the very bottom, being a laborer, learning from everything t working underneath the supervisor and shadowing him i pretty much work from th ground up to where i am no the ground up. yay. other than that, that's no scheduled work, so like -- >> basically mike and shawn, they run the daily operations. >> i really do depend on my. we are partners with his mothe in this business >> sean and i met when we were in college i looked up to him as a role model. he was almost like a big brother to me.

>> mike and i have been throug a lot together both personally an professionally we are both in recovery, which is a big thing we have i common >> if you could do it with somebody else who has the same goals as you do, to become a better person on a daily basis it makes it easier >> they're like two old souls. they work together so well i know they both have th company's best interest at heart. sometimes it takes a little -- i just got elected him beat hi and back up. he comes around. so is this what people want to hear about in this documentary >> the race to the white house has been no -- calls >> confusing - >> president trump is stil leading in that state by about 108,000 votes. >> days after the election there was not a clue - it just left everybody worried and stressed >> philadelphia became kind of

ground zero for the election battle the convention center in the center - the votes have been counted. crowds started gathering outside. you had trump supporters gathered outside and you had biden supporters they were facing off against each other across the street >> people were dressing up as constitution people were dressing up as mailboxes. they're holding signs saying we the people. progressive, conservativ america. in one place literally, these two streets outside with the conventio center trump's legal team composed of -- turnout at the phill convention center -- the account every votes protes just across the street turne up the music really really loud ♪ ♪ ♪ so you cannot hear a word that pam says, because it's completely overwhelmed by th sound of the music >> everybody was biting at eac other. every post and tweet and instagram you saw, people were arguing. it just was very uneasy. and then, the phone call

>> my phone rang around 8:45 am i was an immense bible study and doylestown, pennsylvania >> hello >> i did not answer it then my phone immediately ra again. i excused myself and wal outside. it was a trump staffer they were asking if we would b amenable to them having a pres conference at four seasons landscaping. i just thought, why not? >> by about 9:45, the deal was sealed it's just insane out of all places. it's here. >> we are a landscapin company. we are experts in ground maintenance, irrigation, seating, planting, not press conferences.

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through from donald trump, the press from france at fou seasons philadelphia 11 am i sprang into action, gathered all my stuff, grab bags, mad phone calls to the editor. >> i jumped in my car and i go down to the four seasons hotel in downtown philadelphia >> i think it was at the doo with the second tweet came through. four seasons landscaping philadelphia my reaction was utte confusion. >> of course it's there! there's a landscaping there. oh yeah. it's the four seasons hotel. it's the entrance area with th landscaping. my assumption was that h mushed the key pad somehow and pipe the word landscaping. >> i got a call from the fou seasons hotel and he said maria, i've got one question, are the coming to you or are the coming to me >> trump deletes the secon tweet. a third tweet comes in and it's said big pres conference in philadelphia four seasons total landscaping why would the presidents lawyer hold a conference that a landscaping company? the story starts with donald

trump tweeting that there woul be a press conference on saturday morning at the four seasons in philadelphia not th hotel, but the four season total landscape. it remains unclear whether the trump campaign made an error o not? >> why did you pick this place it was just ahead scratcher. this was just the beginning of ho surreal this was was it's not prominent why was it here? you had more questions than yo could possibly have answered with trump, it was alway difficult to get answers about the truth. because people didn't know the answers. often it was because they were lying. i spent weeks and week interviewing everybody i could and hitting dead and after dea and after that and nobody really knew how the ended up at the landscapin place, in a part of town tha is normally not where campaign host these things. i said i will try to answe

what i thought was a simpl question what's the hell happened and the longer that i dug into it, the crazier it was >> mistake or not, they held their press conference at th loading dock at the landscap or here's what it looked like that is quite an image projects power obviously, they screwed up they got the wrong place they said let's just go with it >> we are on an industrial strip with a crematorium acros the street and an adult vide and bookstore up the street. >> there was a level o excitement among our staff tha we would be hosting th presidents campaign staff here but that was quickly followe by dread and obvious grew up in booking but they all played a lawn and pretended that was the maste plan >> there are two different

theories, really that i had that other people had as well. one, i thought that maybe they had someone that thought the could book the four season hotel. someone on the campaign made the president think that it wa a possibility that it would be held there, and that once he tweeted that, they googled around and found that th closest thing called fou seasons to the four seasons in philadelphia happen to be th landscaping place. the other theory was this of minor screw ups from various people at various levels at th campaign and somehow through connection or an accident they ended up here. >> i'm at the campaign staff here at about 9:30 it was a pretty quick set up obviously. you saw what was on tv i'm pretty proud of the spac that we were able to curate in such a small amount of time. it was a landscape constructio yard >> normally, you might hav police outside of the perimeter, but it was just privat security, and they asked us to put our news organizations dow

on a clipboard and they woul call us in and make it loo like it might be exclusive like we might not all ge called in. every time they called a new organization, 6 to 8 trump supporters would do. >> we request were republican. the information -- >> media >> i think the biggest part fo me was seeing giuliani lik pull up into black suburbans i thought i was dreaming >> nobody famous has ever been here it was almost like in slow motion like him walking into th office >> i actually wasn't going t come here. and i got a phone call from my son anthony, he said mom this is bigger than we think and he sends me a picture whil i'm talking to him and rudy is sitting at my desk and the plaque in front of m desk says boss lady. i looked at my husband, i said we better get over there >> we demand a fair election i demand you shut the house up

we demand a fair election! we demand a fair election! >> there was a crowd of people that biden and trump supporter were there, they were goin back and forth with each other and then the cops showed up an the entire front row was shu down that's when it kind of got lik a very nerve wracking for me >> it was just overwhelming, s i just looked around, i looked at everybody, i try to figur out who everybody was. the press conference was about to start i stood on top of the traile so i could see and i just watched >> in the final weeks, officials told me keeping rudy busy became a full-time job. they had to devise places to send him specific aides to keep wit him. that would make it so he was not running wild, creating whack-a-mole problems for them

>> rudy giuliani is underminin confidence in the american election system. therefore undermining ou national security. >> rudy giuliani was considere to be a great force of law and order. he was one of the heroes o 9/11 >> i think that's part of wh it was so disturbing to watc him unravel. and to watch him kind of the base himself in support of thi guy who thought he was bette than >> by the way, do you have any idea that the state department -- >> do you know the lie >> shut up you don't know where you'r talking about. you don't know what you're talking about, idiot >> he was kind of a mess, bu he was always around and she was always loyal and that was the only thing that seem to matter to th president. >> he is a great guy he know it's a witch hunt that's wha he knows >> rudy followed his press coverage very closely. and he was very aware of what' the view of him was in mainstream circles >> he was nothing bu

respectful to us when he was here shook our hands, took pictures with us. greeted all the cops but i think going on a tv. i don't know if somethin changes. he once told me my view of m legacy is, quote, fact it. >> when a beautiful day. thank you. i'm here on behalf of the trum campaign as an attorney for th president. to describe to you the first part of a situation that i extremely, extremely troubling >> rudy comes out and launches into the speech about how th election was stolen and ho there are very grave allegations of fraud he has witnesses behind him. >> people who have seen allege fraud, people who will b testifying in lawsuits

he presents this guy darrell brooks we later learned he's expose himself to children under age. >> it became here quickl nothing was there. there was no revelation. he wasn't exposing a big fraud in philadelphia. the election wasn't stolen >> while rudy was speaking i was off to the side with mik and murray we looked at each other, and w are in awe of how long this wa going on >> and i know, i know he won't accept it, because of your hateful biases but see if he can try to think rationally put some of those ballots an manufactured in advance by the democrat machine o philadelphia wouldn't be the first time the did it >> i didn't think anyone too this real serious. >> how can i possibly tell you there's fraud or no fraud. >> you just said - >> and somebody said, you know they have called the electio for biden. who was a called by?

oh my goodness all the networks wow! all the networks >> all the networks! when the networks decide the election and we're all thinking all the time networks called the election all the time >> you can see this ripple among the crowd of journalist. i am trying to figure out th same thing, do i listen to rud giuliani or go back to philadelphia, where they wil be celebrating the election? then you see people starting t pack up their stuff. >> many of them had to leave because the primary stor wasn't that rudy giuliani wa challenging the election results. the story was that biden has just won the presidency. somebody asked me, where wer you when they called the election for joe biden

i say well, i was in the parking lot of four season total landscaping. >> the presidents lawyer lef as the news came in that joe biden had been declared th victor perhaps this is why they chose the industrial estate. they wouldn't be heard o welcomed here in downtow philadelphia [applause] a city in a state which delivered donald trump the white house four years ago pennsylvania is now the stat which pushed joe biden over th line >> i just thought, sure, w said yeah. and it was going to be over. period >> we would have done this for either political campaign. we just wanted to be helpful >> and we just had no idea wha we were in for >> i just saw my press conference today, four seasons fancy. >> yeah, it sounds fancy but it was at a landscapin company called four seasons. was that a mistake [laughs] >> what, no. >> we heard from all different types of media outlets, an people wanting to know mor about what happened.

>> i got calls from th washington post. >> chicago times >> new york times. >> usa today >> yahoo news. >> netflix hello. >> business insider. >> nbc >> fox >> cnn >> in the bbc. i started seeing that this was going further. and it was going into europe >> german newspapers, iris newspapers, you name it, the were all calling >> my emails have not stopped. are you getting emails >> nonstop >> are you >> yeah, it's insane >> that's why i said yes otherwise, if i thought it was turning into this. i would have thought twice >> on the day after the pres conference it was nothing bu chaos. we couldn't even use the offic phone for two weeks. because it just never stoppe ringing. >> you couldn't even get a thought process, let alone entered am >> you have 1010 ne messages, of which three are urgent >> [inaudible]

i understood that there is a special round of bill shap this week. >> hi, do you provide services like dismantling our democracy >> deleted >> you are a traitor >> deleted, new message, 39. >> the things they are sayin about us is like amazing i just can't even believe this okay guys, wait till you hea this one there is a big conspirac theory we are burning ballots acros the streets at the crematorium people's minds, they are jus delusional >> that was one of the hardest parts for me i never had to deal with tha level of hate. i'm talking hundreds and hundreds of emails i just got basically saying to go f yourself. we're going to burn down you building it created a lot of fear o

what the future holds for four seasons total landscaping. >> it's frightening because 28 years could go down the tubes. i remember asking my husband joe are we going to surviv this are we going to get out of thi in one piece people don't get it that being in business is not a picnic. i remember them coming to take my car in the middle of th night. bringing a generator hom because they shut my electri off. because i couldn't cash my checks i had a tough time borrowing money when i bought this building i had to put my house up for the bank to give me th mortgage so i had the shot o losing both places >> do i want to see somethin that she billed just disappear or was i going to keep the legacy going >> trying to operate a busines throughout all of this i don't even know what's word to use t describe this.

>> people were taunting us laughing at us, mocking us and we needed to figure out way to let them all know tha we were in on the joke and w were laughing too. >> all of the networks [laughs] >> when you surround yoursel with good people good things happen i think it started to turn whe michael and sean started to ru with this on instagram and facebook and they made a joke out o everything because it was funn to us after. that they picked us, out o everyone in the world, the picked our place >> if this whole thing blew, u i would recover from it. i would go and work somewher else but a family business that was 28 years in the making might not recover from something lik this and i felt responsible, becaus these people are my family >> understanding the joke, and being in on it it was just like a waterfall o memes that you can make. and i felt responsible, becaus these people are my family >> understanding the joke, and being in on it it was just like a waterfall o memes that you can make. >> we got put into a corner, and we used our humor to get out of it.

>> we were making thousands of people laugh all over th entire - not only nation, but world it went from being a majorit negative, and getting hate to then be total opposit overnight. >> they ended up doing this in a rink-y think parking lot, no offensive to landscaping company. the real winner wasn't the campaign which got to use it for free it was the total landscaping company which has really com out of this on top just owning social media ove the last month >> like true entrepreneurs, we wanted to capitalize on this international attention. and sell t-shirts. >> we went from being landscaper, to selling merchandise. we just started filling orders day and night. >> we have done approximatel one point $5 million in sale revenue. that's a lot of t-shirts we've been getting a lot of fa mail, people have been sending us christmas cards with ou zoom background on them. >> can you believe somebod made this?

they made us our own lego set. there was a direct emma of our company in berlin. that amazed me that who would want this >> somebody made a virtual reality four seasons we had people showing up on ou doorstep knocking, asking fo t-shirts we even had one employee tha was leaving, and somebod offered them $50 for the stained sweaty t-shirt off their back we had hundreds of visitor coming in the first couple day following our social media revamp >> suddenly we had fans. it was surreal >> would you look at all o these people out here? it's like every day, this is insane people have referred to us as philadelphia landmark. we've had so many families out front. >> we even had two sisters, on lived in bethlehem pennsylvania the other in new york city and they met here with a blanket, and a picnic basket and had their thanksgiving dinner together here i really think the four season hotel thing was a blessing for us

if our name had been marie's landscaping, none of thi would've happened. >> the team at four season total landscaping appears to b have taking this in thei stride go online, you can buy a range of make america rake again, an law and order merchandise. >> i reached out to the four seasons hotel, my reportin concluded that no one from the trump campaign or any campaign had reached out to the fou seasons hotel. about hosting any event. >> i love the narrative that i was a mistake and that the meant to book the four seasons hotel. >> there was no mistake, thi is exactly where the press conference was supposed to be. >> they had surveyed some area along the i-95 corridor. and our site was one of th ones that they determine would be secure with quick access on and off the highway. >> and it was free, that's another important thing. the trump campaign blew throug 1. 1 billion dollars they were near broke before the presidentia election

they didn't have any money and that's why it couldn't hav been at the four seasons hotel they would have charged them >> that's why it was a fou season total landscaping there is your inside track they didn't want to do i anywhere else. >> this has given me something the i can't even explain t you. this was not about money a all. this is about our story. >> it's an american underdog story. i think we will able to turn something that appeared to b disastrous for a small busines into something positive. >> before the press conference four seasons total landscaping was struggling most were living from paycheck to paycheck. going from being a local cit landscaping company to now being globally recognized, it' amazing. but we were just honored to be able to give back. being able to help the nex

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at a landscaping company >> it was a quick set up obviously, you saw that it was a landscaping construction yard >> wow, what a beautiful day >> we had no idea what we were in for >> we demand a fair election >> oh my goodness, all the networks >> i remember asking, did we make mistake >> we had a lot of haters. >> you have 1000 new messages. >> it created a lot of fear of what the future holds for tota landscaping. >> we got put into a corner an we used our humor to get us ou of it. >> oh, oh the networks >> we made a joke out of everything because it was funn to us. >> it is an american underdo story. >> on the morning of novembe 7th, 2020, then presiden donald trump sent a series o tweets announcing that his campaign would be holding press conference at the four seasons in philadelphia, not

the four seasons hotel but fou seasons total landscaping, a family-owned business locate in north philadelphia, and the national park off of i-95. it became host to one of the most severe moments of the 202 election, and subject of the four seasons total documentary the documentary of it, christopher stout, the owner -- guys, it's great to have you with us, this was an absolutel incredible documentary i cried, i laughed, i felt sorry for you, i was rooting for you at the end, and i'm so happy to finally have abilit to talk to you marie, i want to talk to you and see how you're doing wit all of this. how is this journey been for you, how is the family doing now? >> everybody is doing great. i would be honest with you this was the ride of a lifetime i am at the end of my career and i am happy that i made the decision i made when we were

initially called to hold the press conference here. i never could have imagine that it could have turned ou like this. but it has been such a year fo us because we had one thin after another. people have embraced us around the country and around the world. messages we've gotten, i could not be happier then, to get to a year and hav a documentary is just amazin for us we are thrilled. >> chris, let's talk about the documentary for a moment how did you decide on doing documentary about this how did you connect with the family how did you manage to ge through to them with all of th thousands of phone calls and messages that they wer receiving on any given day >> obviously, the whole worl wanted to know the mystery why did the presidents lawye

hold a press conference with a landscaping company? clearly, this was a bi question, the million dollar question that needed to be solved yes, outlets from all over the world were reaching out to them but i actually had an inside track. as it turned out, a friend o mine was brothers with sea middleton, the director of sales at four seasons. i was actually able to get o the phone with them before anyone else did. when we got on the phone together, i got the sense that every outlet wanted to know, why did this happen? why was the press conference out there? for me, i was a lot more interested in getting to kno the people and seeing how thei experience has been, jus having their world turne upside down. they were a fish of water. for me, the conflict called to me as a filmmaker. what the hell happened >> michael, i want to play for you this clip from the documentary just after the press conference with rudy giuliani, watch this moment.

>> that was one of the hardest parts for me, i never had to deal with that level of hate i am talking hundreds an hundreds of emails i just got, basically saying to go f yourself, we will burn dow your building. it created a lot of fear o what the future holds for four seasons total landscaping. >> michael, the future has put out a little bit, tell us if you are still getting messages like that. how do you handle the messages if at all, that you're receiving now? >> believe me, there are messages they are filled with love an appreciation for the way tha we spun this and making it and almost comedic - if anybody ever comes or stops

through here, we hand ou stickers, t-shirts, wherever w can because it is crazy to eve think that, for us, there ar fans that is the hardest part for me there are actual fans of a philadelphia-based landscaping company. it's still hard for me t grasp. i always tell people, if you are in the area, stop through, we will take pictures, if we have time. i love it. >> christopher, you had such a intimate insight into making the documentary, what' surprised you the most while making the film? >> i think to mike's point, th thing that surprised me th most was the outpouring of lov that the four seasons received after the press conference i mean, they sold one point $5 million worth of t-shirts. that is incredible you can actually still buy the t-shirts now people were making christmas cards featuring the garage doors in their zoo backgrounds. those two sisters that came to four seasons to have their thanksgiving there clearly, this moment resonated with people, and it create just such an outpouring of

love suddenly, four seasons total landscaping meant something to people, and it became this mem that people could actually share with together. it created this online community. >> i'm going to go out on limb and say that there will b some wedding proposal there at some point let me ask you really quickl [laughs] , marie, because it has become such an iconic location, has any other political party or campaign reached out to you to hold a political event there if so, what would you say? >> unfortunately, no other political campaign has approached us, but we woul have said yes, because knowing where it got us here and all the excitement that we have had, we'd do it again we would do it again the outpouring and embracing that we have had, the wa people have treated us, the en result, it may not have been

business enhancing but the treatment that we got -- truthfully, everywhere we go someone knows us it's exciting, it's really exciting you work your whole life, an what a way to go out i'm at the end of my career, and this is amazing to me that people stop me and say, yo look like the girl, the lady from four seasons? i am the lady from fou seasons. it is just funny it's amazing >> michael, i know the futur of this company is so importan to you and your family we heard christopher there tal about how you turned the bad situation into a positive on with the merchandise have you given any thought about the future of the compan and what you can do, if yo even plan on expanding it from beyond just doing landscapin and now the merchandise, perhaps even becoming an event space one day? >> i think the mingle for me i to create more jobs, kee growing to the next level, tha

was always my plan from prio to all this excitement in th conference our niche is landscaping probably always will be. i will do the same thing that did the first time around, jus take one day at a time, on week at a time and go from there. if something gets put in our opportunity to do something, yeah, i don't see why not. we will be rooting for you for whatever you decide to do in the future christopher stout, michael and marie, thank you so much for this absolutely brillian documentary. up next, how the election frau narrative pushed by rudy giuliani at four seasons total landscaping became a definin belief among republican voters the growth of the big li coming up next hometown charities. (phil) have i witnessed and seen the impact of what we do? you bet i have. (kathryn) we have worked with so many amazing causes and

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these ballots will b processed. it's an absolute fraud i think it's a corrupt stole election >> i have never seen thi amount of voter irregularity >> the election is being stolen the evidence is overwhelming >> i'm not sure that every vot was counted, not in the righ way. >> i didn't lose, they say i lost the election was rigged. >> how does anybody trust th election results >> so the election lies pushed by the trump campaign at fou seasons total landscaping, i november 2020. have only kept growing eve since. joining me here to talk abou that one of the produces on fou seasons documentary. the washington correspondent for -- msnbc political analys kimberly atkins. great to have both of you with us let's start with that moment there. when you look at that time tha rudy giuliani was standing there. peddling the allegations o voter fraud and that the election was stolen. just as the networks wer calling the election for joe biden. it almost seemed comical

and you want to laugh at wha you were seeing there. but given how this has now resonated among republicans, what does that moment in tim mean for what we are as country? >> one way you could look at it, i wouldn't say a break wit reality. when people talk about, they would talk about the wheel being off of the trump white house. i would always say, there were wheels so four seasons was not breaking point because thing had been insane if the electio had been all about conspiracies for a long time. the administration had bee about conspiracies, donald trump's entire political caree was about conspiracies but it was this kind of formal moment where they officially made

conspiracies and insanity thei strategy going forward and what's what followed tha was the insurrection so even though this was this hilariously weird historic event. this landscaping company b mistake or for planning. it still - there's a grim this to the whole thing knowing what cam after. >> so kimberly to that point when you look at where the polling is today on this some poll suggest as much as 68% of republicans believe the election was stolen. they believe the big lie it's even higher for people wh use fox news as their main source of information. or who trust it. i think it's in the low 80s. how do you begin to even counter the big lie? when you have that many people buying into it >> it's difficult, and to be sure, this was amplified b donald trump and his campaign. but it goes back so much farther. we have to remember that the idea of the big lie, and why i

was able to take hold, i because decades, lawmakers particularly republicans, have used this idea of protecting against fraud, fraud that ha never existed, never bee proven, in order to make votin more difficult to pass laws with everything - from stripping voters name from polls, from requiring i d. requirements, where we know that it's more difficult for black people, brown people poor people to get them an they tend to vote democratic that's been happening for long time. you have the stripping of th voting rights act where it happened even more that was the kindling. where donald trump's big lie was able to set a fire and really lead to this. so it's a slow build up. and that's why it's so muc harder to fight back against now. >> in the months leading up to this fateful day at four seasons tota landscaping. the trump campaign was - trump was throwing out different reasons why he would eventually lose. once it became clear to him, i remember talking to advisers a the white house in the campaign

once he started to accept it was a possibility, which took really long time, given what the poll said, and how thing were going in the country, wit the coronavirus, he started to kind of amp things up with spi balling about things that were going wrong, who was taking th election from him. the fact that fraud wa forthcoming, basically, to giv himself an excuse and in the event that he did lose >> you talk about conspiracy theories there was this one moment in the documentary, that is ver foreshadowing. let me play for you. when marie starts receivin phone calls and messages one of them was a conspiracy theory, watch. >> the things they are sayin about us is like amazing i can't even believe this. okay guys, wait till you hea this one there's a big conspiracy theor -- we are burning ballot across the street at the crematory. >> kimberly, that seems like a harbinger of the conspirac theories that we are now inundated with around this

election because of moments like that >> absolutely, when there is n uniform source of information, information sources ar diversified. and when so much misinformatio is just being fueled into this election, and the past several elections, that's what happened people believe what they wan to believe they believe even farfetched things as long as it confirms their own biases and that's where yo see the thing run wild and we see that today people are dug into their corners and believing whatever support their. side -- [patriotic music] - america... [crowd chatter] land of opportunity...