good morning. it's 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm peter alexander. right now, a controversial pandemic era policy used to expel asylum seek letters remain in place for the time being as the humanitarian crisis at the southern border is worsening by

the day. we're going to take you live to pa so. and unfolding this morning at airports nationwide, frustrated and confused passengers still stranded with southwest airlines in the midst of that meltdown. transportation secretary pete buttigieg is calling for accountability. it comes as thousands are trying to recover from that once in a lifetime blizzard that left more than 60 people dead. we'll take you live to buffalo for the latest. also this morning, we're keeping a close eye on the vatican. pope francis calling for prayers for his predecessor, the retired pope benedict, as his health worsens. and with covid cases rising sharply in china, two officials now tell nbc news that the white house is weighing new travel requirements for travelers from china. we begin with the ongoing

legal limbo for migrants trying to come to the u.s. in search of a better and safer life for themselves and for their families. the u.s. supreme court says the public health measure known as title 42 can stay in place, at least for now. that pandemicer era rule has been used to expel asylum seekers at the southern worder. the high court will hear arguments in february with a decision expected by the end of june. but the number of migrants at the border is growing. the question before the court is whether republican officials in 19 states suing the biden administration over its plan to lift title 42 can actually do so. white house res secretary issuing a statement last night that says the administration will comply with the ruling, but that we are advancing our preparations to manage the border in a secure, orderly and humane way when title 42 lifts. and will continue expanding legal pathways for immigration.

this ruling gives the biden administration more time to prepare for what could be a huge increase in the number of migrants crossing the worder each day. with us to start off our coverage at this hour is sam brock. he's there in el paso. peter baker, an msnbc political analyst, ask robert moore, the president and ceo of the news website el paso matters, who has been covering issues at the southern border for decades. we appreciate his expertise as well. sam, let me get to you about what kwour seeing at the border this was a highly opportunitied decision, but now with it having been made for the time being, it means a the lot of those migrants are on hold in their efforts to come to the u.s. >> reporter: there's confusion. there's no question about that. the most direct consequence of the supreme court decision is going to be another six months before the folk cans think about applying for asylum. the sobering reality is a lot of

them are learning from me as i'm asking thaem when they think about title 42. this morning a woman said what do you know about title 42. it's going to be another six months. her entire face just dropped after she tried to process this information. people were not expecting that. that's not going to happen. come with me for a second and look the at the scene. all these folks over my shoulder were sleeping on the streets here wrapped up in blankets. the temperatures were in the 20s and 30s a a little warmer overfight. at least there was a brief respite. there's a bus they can go inside to get some warmth. as hundreds of people line up for meals, several times a day you'll see a truck come in. folks start flocking to get in line because it is an issue of desperation. they are just trying to feed their families. i had a conversation yesterday in the aftermath of the supreme court decision. with the folks on the ground about how they are feeling, it was deep disappointment. here's a sample of that conversation.

>> reporter: in terms of what this means for sheltering, we know that shelters here have been pressed for space, but there is some capacity. the bigger problem here almost everyone that you're looking at, vast majority are from venezuela. that's one of the countries that's blocked from seeking asylum under title 42. a plies to some countries, but not others. if they want to stay in the shelter, they don't have the departmentation to do so which is why they end up on the streets sleeping in the friezing cold. >> peter baker, i want to get to you. the administration, while they publically say they are disappointed by this decision, it does give them a reprieve.

so what's the administration trying to do here to solve this problem once and for all? >> that's a great question. they are not going to say it out loud, but had title 42 gone away, had the supreme court let the restrictions go, then there would have been an immediate surge that would have been very difficult for them to cope with. they are barely able to handle what they are seeing. the question is what sam raised. the fact that this is going to be delayed for six months, will that encourage anybody to leave and to stop coming. will that do anything to discourage this buld up of people the at the border because they will know or should know or maybe told that they are not going to get the opportunity to apply for asylum. there's not much to be gained by waiting out the winter down there. that's the real question. as it is right now, this is a humanitarian crisis, the likes

of which have clearly pressed the resources of the government that are working to handle it. >> to say nothing of its political poe teb sit. heading into the election cycle, you know this is only going to get more heated, which means the optimism on a bipartisan basis gets a lot smaller here. robert moore, i want to ask you about this. you're from el paso. you have witnessed this crisis over the course of decades. what is the impact of this sort of limbo that we're witnessing taking place along those border communities? >> i think the level of uncertainty that sam mentioned is probably the driving took. it's worth noting that all those people behind sam right now are subject to title 42. they have chosen to come into the united states any way. they walked around agents and evaded them often in more dangerous crossings.

the heart is people from venezuela subject to title 42 coming anyhow. i think that's a partial answer to the big question as to what happens next as this extension of title 42 just make desperate people say i guess i won't come now. the evidence we're seeing in el paso is the opposite. you're seeing people make desperate decisions that involve dangerous crossings and that's sleeping on the streets in sub freezing weather. >> i want to ask about that situation. what's the impact in those communities? there's a fear about the sense of so many coming in this such huge numbers at this time. is that fear based in fact? >> there's no fear in el paso. the community is largely dealing with the crisis. all of those people on the

streets right now do have shelter opportunities. the diocese created shelters for those that don't have the paperwork but choosing to i stay on the streets because they are afraid of getting expelled. but the community itself has responded magnificently. in your video you see people lined up for to do. volunteers coming down. the long-term issue is the big problem. they can't just get on a bus or a plane and go because they don't have the documents. that creates other problems. >> and despite a lot of of the messaging, one of the safer cities in this country despite its proximity to the border. i want to ask you about some of the politics. i was struck by the decision to keep title 42 in lace. we heard from judge gorsuch who

was one of those who decented. he said the current border crisis is not a covid crisis. you'll remember this was a pandemic era ra policy. he says courts should not be in the business of perpetuating those designed for emergency only because elected officials have failed to address a different emergency. he says we are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort. that was a striking statement from one of the most conservative members of the court right now. but it also does reveal the real challenge, which is the ability to get anything done in a very divided congress. only more divided with the house in the hands of the republicans beginning in the new year. >> that's kpktly right. justice gorsuch is making an important point. in theory, this is a rule about covid, but the real argument is about immigration and what to do about the border. the argument you're hearing from the states that are suing to

get -- keep title 42 and keep these mite grants out of the country, it's contrary to the argument of the own party. and they are trying to use the covid justification in order to accomplish a border issue policy goal. similarly, the biden administration was warned about the continuing dangers of the pandemic trying to say it's not so hutch an issue right now. and therefore, they also are this mixed messaging that they are blending covid with a border policy dispute. >> it's a flaw in that messaging. peter baker, sam brock, thank you for making time to talk to us. and right now, thousands of people are stuck at airports across this country as a holiday travel nightmare continues. more than 4,000 flights cancelled just this morning.

more than half of today's cancellations come from southwest airlines. the transportation secretary saying he's going to keep southwest airlines accountable. >> they will go above and beyond. i'm going to be holding them accountable for doing that. >> does that mean financial compensation? >> at a minimum, there needs to be cash refunds for the cancelled flights and they need to be taking care of passengers where they got stuck with meals. >> the total number of people killed by the brutal storm has now risen to 65 after officials in buffalo, new york, confirmed at least ten more deaths yesterday. ask with he now is sharari

stone. marissa, walk us through the situation there. one of the key issues as they tried to get to the vehicles that were buried and too many people lost their lives, it was the concern about power being out. it was 12,000 customers. is that situation improved for folks? >> right. so to your point, there are still people without power. at last check, there's an update happening now, but there was 800 outages reported. that's a lot lot of people that haven't had power for several days now,s etc. especially as it has been so cold 3 that was one of the reasons this snowstorm was as dead lu as it was. and it was those butter cold temperatures and the wind that really made this unsurvivable for people who were stuck outside.

so there's a couple parts to that. there's the grim undertaking of i'ving all of those people who died. at least 30 in buffalo just alone. then there's a next step which is the cleanup that's underway that's why the driving ban is still in effect as we speak. and right now, they said that over 450 pieces of equipment on the roads around buffalo trying to get streets as cleared as the one you see behind me. this is a main road. temperatures are beginning to warm. you can see probably the sheen on the top as the snow is beginning to melt. we're seeing drops of precipitation as the snow is melting around us. but then the next stage, concerns over flooding as we are thot only going to be expecting a dramatic rise in temperature as the snow melts, but they are expecting rain this weekend. so a lot of parts to this. >> if it's not one thing, it's another.

good news is we're not seeing flakes falling there, which is welcome relief for so many in that community. bwi is baltimore's aurpt. a big spot for southwest flights. some of these shots of luggage that is no longer connected to its passenger are just stunning with so many folks on different ends of the country from their destination and from their clothes. >> reporter: just to quote one woman, this is a hot mess. bi bwi is one of the most affected airports. there are approximately 60 flights cancelled and the number continues to grow here. look right over here, piles of luggage. this morning more than 60 southwest flights were cancelled, but look at this pile of luggage behind me. suitcases, bags at the staging area set up for travelers to get them back. this gentleman, he was going to

fly from baltimore to columbus, ohio. your flight was cancelled. you can't find your luggage. what's going through your mind? >> it's gigantic cluster. it's really terrible. there's nobody here that seems to be able to help you. every time you go to someone for help, they tell you that try to open up a claim. we'll see what we can do. >> reporter: crews removed these bags from cancelled flights or lost in transit over the last few days. how would you describe these people in line and what you're dealing with? >> it's a gigantic mess. i'm surprised they have a million dlafr dollar computer system and they can't track bags. >> reporter: southwest airlines says they are trying to reunite these bags with the owners. you can see right here this woman looking through different bags. let's you know that over here look at this long line. people continue to come here trying to find their bags.

it's a similar scene at some other airports around the country. although many airlines were forced toen cab sell flights. southwest had the most. more than 70% of its flights on monday. that's around 2,90 0 flights. now the airline apologized and said that this was unacceptable. now real quick, i want you to see this over here. you see these bags. they are supposed to be in dallas. you have san francisco, you also have houston and these are so to go to those airports. so there are people in san francisco who are waiting for their bags and there are people that are trying to get their bags and they are here in billionth mother and vice versa. it's a bit confusing they are trying to do what they can to come here and find their bags. there's even more over there as well. there's been a lot of of frustration for people. >> he said this thing is a serious cluster. so many folks who are stranded

and without their stuff. thank you both, we appreciate it. there's breaking news to get to this is from vatican city. we'll have that when we come back. the former pope's health has taken a turn for the worse this morning. that's according to the vatican. the latest on the care he's receiving, as we speak, and the current he issage that is coming from the present pope. plus a live report from kyiv as russia is accused of even morse attacks on civilians and the new data revealing the shear scope of the humanitarian crisis on the ground. wait until you hear the number of millions who are facing severe need.

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we're following this breaking news this morning. pope francis is calling for prayers for his predecessor as the vatican says the former pope benedict's health has worsened. the vatican says the 95-year-old retired pontiff is receiving constant medical care, but the situation at present is under control. you'll remember in 2013 he became the first pope to resign in about 600 years. joining us with more is foreign correspondent megan fitzgerald with the latest. this came not so much as a surprise, but some real sadness. at 95 years old, there's been indications that the pope was not as well as he had been in

the past. >> good to be with you. you're right. this is a very concerning situation. as you mentioned at 95 years old, we have known that pope benedict's condition had been worsening. but the fact that we're hearing from pope francis saying he's sick and the vatican coming out and saying that the former pope's health condition has been worsening over the last several hours is absolutely telling. and we do know that right now based on the reports from the vatican that the former pope's health condition is under control right now. he's being monitored by medical professionals and doctors, really closely monitoring him. we know that pope francis maintained a relationship with him. visiting benedict several times, including as early as this had morning. we're talking about a pope who made history. he was the oldest pope to be

elected to office at 78 years old. he was the first german to be elected in a thousand years. as you mentioned, he was also the first to step down in more than 600 years back in 2013. it was a move that he said was made from a lack of strength of mind and body. but this is a former pope who is being remembered, there's prayers hopeful he will continue to just have better health moving forward, but known for bridging tradition and values and these rapidly moving times. known for holding fast to his conservative values, christian and catholic values, but being able to bridge that with taking modern action. so a lot of people across the world really concerned right now and prayer praying for his health. >> we're wishing him strength and that he gets well as soon as. thank you so much. this morning there's some other news from overseas. it's russia ramping up its brutal attacks unleashing more

shelling, military officials are accusing russia of targeting civilian infrastructure and there's some striking new data that retires the humanitarian crisis inside ukraine. roughy live 18 million ukraines, 40% of the population, are now in need of assistance such as clean water and heating systems as that nation grapples with plunging temperatures. joining us now with the latest is matt bradley. walk us through the situation in herself son. >> reporter: there were two dozen projectiles that struck the city after several dozen more came earlier this week.

>> reporter: this morning herself son under fire again. russian artillery attacks on christmas eve killed 11 people. her son is among the dead. i urged him to wake up and leave the house, but he didn't and that was it, she said. our lives are ruined. but the fearest battles are in the east. among ukraine's longest battles so far, violent crucible for the wider war. other areas in donbas require maximum strength and concentration. the situation there is difficult and painful. the constant drum beat of war

now constant for many. you don't even look or listen to what is happening and where. that's how we are now. but still, i want to live a normal life. after five months of fighting, there's little here left to destroy. except lives. like a video game designer killed just before christmas. he always cared about other people more than himself, saud his friend. and diplomacy reached another impasse this week. russia announcing it will ban oil sales to any country that poses a cap on what it can charge. it may limit the aublt to punish moscow. but thrge is also in short supply. civilians huddled through a cold, dark christmas with electricity outages. still celebrating as best they can. you mentioned that united

nations study that just came out. when they surveyed people here in ukraine, they found that only 7% of ukrainians want to leave despite those really devastating numbers. >> the sound of the bells chiming there in kyiv, another sign of life that has come under constant attack. we appreciate your reporting. when we come back, a holiday health scare. the surge of illnesses that doctors fear we could see in the wake of this busy holiday travel season. and it's not just from that so-called tripledemic of covid, flu and rsv. our doctor joins us next. r doctt what will you do? ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us.

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real challenge. what are you seeing that concerns you? are hospitals prepared for this surge? >> we have a mixed story. the good news is the number of influenza cases is starting to decline right now. even though it peaked early in november december, which is really early for flu, now it's starting to come down. it's still at a pretty high level covid-19 hospitalizations and cases have plateaued, but this week's reporting is not been great because people are opt holiday and we don't have the full reporting, but it looks as though cases have reached a plateau. and with a pretty concerning variant known as xvb. so that's a long way of saying

it's important not only for your flu vaccine, but your booster because it looks as though the antibodies do not protect well against this variant that's now about half the cases in new york and could increase across the united states. then we have the concern about strep. >> i want to ask about strep in a second. congratulations is due to you. today marks a year since the vaccine technology that you helped develop received the emergency authorization it needed to care for those in india. so we appreciate your service to the global health community on that issue. but as we talk about vaccinations right now, tallahassee new headline in "the new york times" where they write, covid isn't the only reason vaccination rates are falling. a recent measles outbreak near columbus, ohio. that's just north of new york city where they saw poio cases

go up. just a matter of months ago. what concerns you most as it relates to those vaccination rates widely going down nationwide? >> thanks. our texas children's hospital reached 100 million people in india and indonesia. here's the concern. the antivaccine activism and movement that accelerated during this time of the covid pandemic when so many americans needlessly lost their lives because they refused to take a covid vaccine, because they were victims of antivaccine aggression spread. now that's spilling over to all vaccinations. we're starting to see the spillover to childhood vaccinations parents didn't get the measles vaccine. so i'm really worried that this is a new normal in the united states. vaccine policy is usually set at

the state level. here in texas we're seeing some onerous legislation being filed to make it harder to vaccinate kids. this is going to be a new, tough the battle for us so making sure our kids get vaccinated. >> in the cold weather months a lot piles on the plate of parents. kids had a sore throat. we went to the doctor. they tested them for covid, flu, strep. it's strep in particular you're seeing more cases of right now. where is that coming from? what should parents be doing? >> you have seen a rise in strep cases in europe and invasive strep cases meaning things like scar let fever and here are some important things to do. it you're a parent, make certain your child is vaccinated both against influenza and the chickenpox. that can predispose you to invasive strep infection. so that's important. have a low threshold for taking your child to the pediatrician.

because that could be a sign of invasive strep infection. and to complicate this, we have an amoxie lint shortage. >> we didn't have a vaccine it's certainly a good thing if you can avoid it. you'll be doing your kids a big service there. dr. hotez, thank you so much. >> thank you. the fate of title 42 set to be decided in the supreme court next year. but for those stuck in immigration limbo right now, the need is as urgent as ever. straight ahead i'm going to speak with an advocate about the realities face bud many on the border. still months away from learning their fate.

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marisa, i appreciate you making time to be a part of this conversation. it's stunning to see the pictures from the border communities, specifically in el paso. this pile up of people to say nothing about so many others coming from those central american and sosh american countries right now to try to get to the united states. what are you hearing and what is the situation like right now now that we have this new order? >> the reality is complex at this moment. the folks in el paso have been doing so much work to try to make sure people have had the necessiies they met on a regular basis. we're seeing more and more people coming to the region, specifically trying to be able to seek protection. they have been waiting in pandemic era policy for two years now and we have pent up demand. so these ebbs ask flows of people is becoming greater and greater. we see more ask more people

trying to survive on the streets as well as in the care of other people and the humanitarian at work here. >> among those most impacted as we saw on the ground there, the venezuelas. so many mite grants coming here. why is their experience unique and what challenges are they facing right now? >> they are experiencing this because policy shufted during the time of the biden administration and before they were allowed to be entered into the united states because there was no agreement with mexico to be able to take them on. and there was a shift and toke who is did not make the cut off date were not eligible to be ache to seek protection. so they are forced to remain in mexico and uncertain about what the future may hold for them because of their nationality and country of origin. >> help us understand. some people will be flipg on the tv and see the large numbers of migrants who are laying on the

streets trying to find support for local communities. but they are on the u.s. side of the border. the expectation may be that they would be expelled. that's this legal limbo. so what are their circumstances and where can they find help? >> they are finding assistance currently with our humanitarian partners on the ground. this is mostly local churches and organizations that are standing up facilities as well as the city and the county to manage the flows of people. the majority of these people that you see camped out have decided to not necessarily seek shelter because they don't have the same documentation as others. the policy impacts different countries of origin differently. that's why you see different people having a different reality. many of the people here this our community have had a bottleneck this our outbound transportation. so we're also having that as a challenge as well for people who are trying to make their way out

of el paso area into the u.s. >> certainly a dire situation. thank you for sharing your perspective. the year 2022 was noable for plenty of reasons, but near the top was for opening up a new chapter of space exploation. when we come back, we'll look at the year in space and what it could promise for future journeys to the final front tier. to the final front tier

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2022 has been an incredible year for space exploration. tom costello has the highlights from this year in space. >> 3,2,1. boosters, and liftoff. >> reporter: in a year of triumphs firefighter space exploration, artemis was the headline grabbing finale. a 25-day, 1.4 million mile test flight that will one day carry astronauts back to the moon. high resolution flyover of of the moon along orbit deeper into space. >> orion is right on the money. coming right down the pike. >> reporter: then a spectacular re-entry with the heat shield hitting 5,000 degrees. that's half the temperature of the sun. >> and there it is. high over the pacific. >> reporter: before a gentle parachute drop into the pacific ocean. >> splashdown. >> it is the beginning of the

new beginning, and that is to explore the heavens. >> reporter: that new beginning will include astronauts on a similar test flight around the moon in 2024. then a lunar landing at 2025 or '26 with a crew that includes a woman and a person of color. the first return to the moon since those heady days of "apollo." >> base here, the eagle has landed. >> reporter: but nasa is also leaning heavily on private companies. [ cheers ] spacex now regularly launches both crew and cargo to the iss. this is the view of earth from the international space station, and the simulator at nasa in houston. outside the cupola, the blue richness of earth and the blackness, the deep blackness of space, and right there the canada arm which has reached out

to grab an incoming cargo vessel. and spacex is working overtime on its starship that will carry astronauts to the moon. then perhaps mars in the late 2030s. another huge success in 2022, nasa's d.a.r.t. mission. >> we have liftoff -- >> reporter: the spacecraft in time lapse traveling at 14,000 miles per hour slamming into a small asteroid named dimorphos seven million miles from earth and pushing it ever so slightly off its orbit. a critical success if nasa hopes to one day deflect an incoming planet-killing asteroid away from earth. >> now this is a watershed moment for planetary defense and a watershed moment for humanity. >> reporter: but the most visual space achievement in 2022 were those spectacular images from the deep space james webb

telescope. using infrared cameras, we're now looking at light billions of years old. the creation of the universe, distant stars and galaxies, stunning nebulas, begging the question are we alone. >> we could have an answer about whether or not there's life in the universe which would change everything, right, would change our entire understanding of what we were and who we are in the universe. >> reporter: it's big and beckoning to a new generation of explorers. tom costello, nbc news, houston. >> i still can't get over that d.a.r.t. mission targeting that asteroid seven million miles away. our thanks to tom costello for that report. joining us is hakeem alashay the astrophysicist and author of "a quantum life." thank you so much for being with us. there were a ton of achievements as it relates to space adventure and exploration. what stands out to you as one that really could be a difference maker in terms of the trajectory of our efforts in

outer space? >> well, i think the most outstanding technological achievement is definitely the james webb space telescope. it's already completely revised our ideas of how our universe formed. we see that galaxies form way earlier than we thought, but it's also showing a lot about what we're capable of doing for studying the atmospheres of planets around other stars which can advance our search for life on -- on a world that is not earth. >> those pictures that we're looking next to you on screen are just insane. hard to believe that those are real. this telescope is special counsel pakistan -- spectacular. how far away are we looking, what kind of distances is it that we are achieving these photos? >> you know, what's really awesome with james webb, right, two of its achievements early in its first year is that it has discovered already the furthest known star that we've observed, as well as the furthest known

galaxy. we're really looking all the way back to when large structures like these first formed in our universe. but when you look at those images that you just showed, those are actually in our galaxy and nearby. because webb views in the infrared, they can actually see through a lot of the dust, a lot of the gas, and see what lies within, see forming stars, see forming planetary systems. so this is really a new eye on the universe not just in its ability to look deep into the universe, but also in its ability to have what is essentially x-ray vision and look inside of these familiar nebuli to us. >> sounds like sci-fi, but it's real. your energy is contagious for those interested in this. not with near the understanding that you have here. i want to finally ask you about the "artemis 1" mission this year. obviously that's a major step as it goes in an effort, the estimates being that we'll send a man or a woman back to the moon in 2025. what are you watching in that

effort? >> well, you know, again, it's already something that has made spectacular achievements from the engineering front. i love nasa's cautious approach of making sure everything is right and doing it one step at a time. what we're really looking forward to is actually getting humans, americans back to the moon, and hopefully getting a long-term presence on the moon and the moon can perhaps serve as a base for us to go beyond. and of course our aspiration is the same for the planet mars. it's hard, it's complicated, and it's dangerous. so you know, it's a slow step-wise process. >> the moon's going to be a pretty good forwarding address for somebody in the not too don't future. it's always great to be with you. thanks for talking to us. >> thank you. another hour straight ahead including potential consequences for southwest airlines after it has canceled thousands of flights this week stranding tens

of thousands in airports nationwide. even more cancelations are expected today and tomorrow. we're going to talk to the president of the southwest airlines pilots association about what went so wrong and what passengers can do right now. ht w. what will you do? ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us.

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