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thank you for staying with us. i'm alex within new york. this hour we'll have an update on the cancellation crisis that's frustrating customers and flight crews trying to get passengers back home. >> the pilots did show up. we were there to work and willing and able. southwest just can't match us to the aircraft. that's the problem. >> also this hour, a closer look at the political strategy for both president biden and former president trump as both men the plot their approaches to 2024. and hopes for a peace agreement in the war in ukraine are weakening as russian officials dismiss president zelenskyy's latest plan after major disagreements over who
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controls four key regions. we begin this hour with two big stories, weather and trvl. it's the same story for southwest airlines customers today as they see another wave of cancellation ace cross deparn buffalo where the weather is preventing residents from leaving their homes. joining me is blayne alexander at jackson airport in atlanta. and marissa in buffalo. and meteorologist michelle grossman. welcome to all. so we're hovering around the same cancellation numbers from southwest that we saw this time yesterday. so that's something of a silver lining because it's not getting worse. but it's clearly still unacceptable for all travelers. >> reporter: it doesn't look like it's going to be getting better until some time next week. they believe it will be likely some time next week before they are able to get back on track. but until then, we are going to see a significant cancellation
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number. is significant slashing of flights as something to the tune of 2,500 or so planned for tomorrow. now we're looking ahead to friday. i'm seeing this line that's constant throughout the duration. that's what's happening when it comes to southwest. but also when you talk about what southwest is going to be giving to these stranded customers, these stranded travelers, the airline says today on their website that they are going to be offering reasonable reimbursements for people who had to come out of pocket for things like hotel, food, taxi and uber and all these expenses they had to incur based on being stranded. they are going to make reasonable reimburse thement there is. but pete buttigieg says that his department is looking into this to see whether these are issues
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within their control. he is going to be pushing to those reimbursements. another thing we know has been in contact with secretary yobd weather delays and now into something that the airline needs to do to rectify the situation and see what they can do to keep this happening again. >> are you getting a sense that passengers on southwest that have been so displaced and. >> i hear people say i will never fly southwest again. two people walked by and shouted i hate southwest. so you can tell people are frustrated and upset. their patience has run out. i have spoken with some people and this is the silver lining. people say, i understand. i'm just like everybody else trying to get home. the ticket agents, the people at
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the counter, they are doing the best they can. they are extremely taxed. and i talked with a number of travelers who want to acknowledge that. every time they come up with people they tried to employees saying they are doing the best they can and they are just doing a fantastic job trying to rebook. but they don't have many resources. their hands are tied. it's a difficult situation for everybody. >> we hear all the time pack your patience during the holidays, but this is just ridiculous. thank you for that. marisa, as we focus on the weather and specifically buffalo, there are dozens of weather-related deaths and so many residents still stuck waiting for conditions to ease enough to make the roads safe there. what are you seeing? >> reporter: i think there's a lot of layers to this. i want to talk fist about the mood here this buffalo. we know this is an area that knows snow. we are here for the latest winter storm this one was so much more deadly. i want to talk about the reasons
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why before i get into how people are feeling and the aftermath of that. so when we compare the two snowstorms, this one saw less snow. however, the reason one of the main factors during this peak, what we were seeing due to the lake effect is negative 20 degree wind chills. what people were up against as they were trying to survive that. this time around, because it was so much colder f someone was outside unable to get inside or maybe they were trapped inside of their car or or worse we saw a lot of people without power, and what we saw is they went without power for several days. so unlike last time, what you have are unsurvivable conditions. if someone is not able to get to a warm place or not able to get to a warming shelter. so there's a lot of shock around
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here. i will say we have spoke ton a number of people on the street just even outside of the hotel here. there's a lot of sadness. there's a lot of heaviness in the air. they know what a loss this was. it'sing itting out where things went wrong and could have done better. that's something that will be answered in the comesing days and months like any catastrophe where you see dozens of people die from a big weather event. but in terms of how things stand here on the ground, you heard the rail go past me, back up and running shs the buss, there's several routes that are back up and running. the airport back open as of 11:00 this morning. we know there were flights scheduled to arrive and to take off around the noon hour. so that is a big change. they are hoping that buffalo can be reopened by this weekend. but what you'll also notice is the driving ban. that's still in effect. even though you'll see people driving around. we don't know, they might be
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essential personnel or part of the cleanup crews trying to get things done here. that might be confusing to people. they might be saying, look how good the roads look behind me. but what you have to remember, there are parts of buffalo that still have not yet been cleaed. and there are parts that route 33 is a great example. we know in erie county executive was talking about how they see snow drifts upwards of 30 feet. they are in the process of trying to clear other parts of buffalo seeing immense snow totals much worse than what you're seeing behind me. ask that leads me to my next point. we're seeing a big warm-up here. you can tell by the tact that if you turn over this way, it almost looks like it just rained here. there's 450 pieces of equipment out here on the roads trying to clear the snow before it creates flooding conditions, which is happening very quickly. that snow melt. we're upwards expected to climb
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even higher to the 50s. and on top of that, we're expecting some rain. so that is the next step is headaching sure everyone is taking care of, everyone has power restored. we understand it's maybe hovering around 800 power outages reported. this next step is trying to get all these roads cleared and try to avoid a flooding catastrophe after what everyone went through here. >> a comprehensive report to your point earlier. you said there are multiple layers to the story. thank you. appreciate that. >> michelle, we got that feel for how it's going in buff low today. what about the residents there? what can they expect moving forward, talking about the tlooding? is it going to heat up quickly? that would cause a problem. and also other storms we need to be watching out for. >> great to see you. we expect it to be slow. we're not want expecting extreme flooding, but still could see the creeks rising with the snow melt very fast and also the rain that we're expecting friday,
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saturday, sunday it's a few days we're expecting some showers. we could see some ice jams too. that could end up in people's basements. but taking a look at national radar, we're pretty quiet in the eastern part of the nation. it's the west that we're focused on. we had a powerful storm system that is bringing snow, feet of snow in many spots. we're looking at double-digit rainfall totals. heavy rain in the southwest. and it's not just today. we have a series of storms that will be moving through not only today, but through sunday. the snow pact, great news for the drought, it's fast and furious and coming in a short amount of time. for the forecast for today, that's what we're focusing on. the high mountain snow and winds gusting to 70 miles per hour. that's going to be create some travel troubles in the air. also on the roadways. look at the middle of the country. warming up, that's good news compared to the temperatures we had. but a lot of times when you get a warm-up, it comes with rain. you pay a price.
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we're looking at the chance firefighter strong storms later in the southern plains. sunny and cool in portions of the mid-atlantic into the southeast. we're going to warm up there too. then into the weekend we're near 60 degrees in some spots. that's the single digits last weekend. this is what it looks like in terms of your travel impacts. we have the area of low pressure. it's bringing that heavy snow to the rockies. so we're going to focus on that. it's a parade of storms bringing strong weather to the west. >> thank you for the heads up on all of that. let's turn to the breaking news from overseas. new concerns today over the health of pope benedict with the 95-year-old under medical supervision as his condition worsens. we are following this story from our london bureau. we all woke up to these new statements from vatican city. what have you learned since? >> we have learned that the current pope went to visit
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benedict earlier today at the monastery where he's been living since his retirement in 2013. that is a sign of how serious things are that the pope felt it was important to go make that visit today. and possibly to say a final good-bye. as you said, our first indication that former pope benedict's health was failing came from pope frans sis who went off script at the vatican today to pray for the pope's health. right after that, he went to make this visit. this is not a common occurrence. the last time the two men were together was four months ago at a ceremony to install new cardinals. the vatican is not giving precise details about pope benedict's condition. they are saying he's being monitored around the clock by doctors and they do say the worse nng his health is associated with old age. he turns 95 back in april.
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and this is kind of an unprecedented situation when a sitting pope passes away, it triggers centuries old ruch yules and traditions. we know what the funeral of a pope looks like and that it culminates with a cardinal can claif to elect a new pope. what we do not know is what happens when a former pope passes away, because pope benedict is the first pope in 600 years to step away from his position. they had to create this new title for him. so we are likely to see if and when pope benedict does pass away some historying with made. we have not seen a funeral like this happen before. the last papal funeral was 2005 pope john paul ii passed away. we saw dozens of heads of states including president bush and presidents clinton and president george h.w. bush.
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catholics all over the world sending up their prayers for pope benedict and the whole world closely watching for any updates from the vatican. >> you make a good point. talking about how unique this will be if and when he does pass. thank you. tax day for trump. after years of delays, the public will see six years of donald trump's redacted tax returns. that will happen friday. what they could reveal about his business practices and why it matters. al about his business practices and why it matters. will you make something better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. ♪ ♪ to bring ou♪ ♪he innovator you've done the hard part. you quit smoking. now do the easy part and get scanned for lung cancer.
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he tried to hide them for years, butt public will get the first glimpse at donald trump's tax returns. the house ways and means committee is set to make the records public this friday according to a committee spokes person but the journey has not been easy. last month the issue went to the supreme court granting access to the records and then last week the committee voted on the issue
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in a party line decision, which was followed by a delay in the release due to redactions of personal information. joining me now is capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. another welcome. so when can we expect to see trump's tax returns is friday for sure and how will they be released. >> so we expect them to be released friday around noontime eastern. that's when the house will gavel in during a session. and that's when they will be made an official part of the record. the ways and means committee expects to put out a press release with the information associated with that filing. so that's first time werth going to get to see these records in totality. but it's unlikely it's going to reveal a ton of new information. the committee already releasing a lengthy report put together that went into the concerns that the the committee had about the information they found in his tax returns that a monday toir
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auditing system put in place was not utilized during a big zx of the trump administration while he was president. and so we could still find out some details about husband charitable tax donations that he claimed on his tax returns and things along those lines. kind of the top line a big piece information about the former president ask his taxes is something we have already known. he has often claimed major business losses and has not paid as much in federal income taxes one might expect for someone who described himself as being as wealthy as he is. a lot of times the devil is in the detail when is it comes to forms like this. there's going to be a lot of people pouring over them once they get into our possession later this week. >> how about lawmakers? how are they reacting? is it distracting from other policy issues? >> it's a good question. democrats insist that the reason they want the former president's tax returns is because they believe that there needs to be a
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reform to this policy at the irs that requires the auditing of presidential taxes. right now it's just the policy of the agency. it's required under statute. so there's no penalty for the fact that the irs did not engage in this practice for a good part of the trump presidency. they would like to make that law under statute. the other side, republicans are arguing that this is something that's going to send a very dangerous precedent that making a situation where private tax returns could become public is something that could be used as a political tool down the road, but democrats argue this is a unique case. a lot of back and forth, as you might imagine. >> thank you so much. let's bring in national column ist for "the washington post" phillip bump. that last about how the irs got hammered in this report, regarding trump's tax records, they are expected to include the information 2015 to 2021, the years trump was in office.
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what kind of information are you expecting to see? >> i think i'm not a tax expert. we can expect a level of intricacy most of us are not used to. all the llcs and layering in order to be able to shield profits and claim debts, all these machinations, which look bad to any regular person like myself just because we don't understand how this works and all these various loopholes. one of the things donald trump has been trying to avoid is this level of scrutiny because he understands. he's actually bragged at times about how he uses the tax code to his advantage, but that doesn't look good. it doesn't reebb force he would say i want to release my tax returns. they are obscured and i think that's just going to reflect poorly on him.
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which is why you never want to release them them. >> your piece, you called trump's promise to release his tax returns his oldest political lie. it's been something he's been asked about and avoided since 2011. so walk us through how this went all the way to a forced release of the records and why has trump avoided it for all these years? what do you think he's afraid of revealing? >> i think it comes down to the same reason he pushed back so hard on the loss. that he hates to look like he's a loser. when we first started talking about this this 2011, he was making noise about running for president. he ended up endorsing mitt romney. but one of the things he said was i would be happy to release my tax returns to show how rich i am. but then he didn't. he didn't then run for president, but he did in 2016 part for the reasons i explained. it shows he used all these legal tricks and came up with this idea they were under audit.
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and even before that campaign, it was not saying there were some returns that were not under audit. it was clear he simply didn't want to release those returns. so what happened is once the democrats retook the house in 2018 and became the majority in the house in 2019, the house committee ways and means sought out those records using a noncommon legal tool they had at their disposal. that yielded these returns. this is something for a long time and used all sorts of nonsense to try to cover up the fact he could release them anden didn't want to because of that. >> the fact that the irs said we didn't audit him, as we were rured to do, because he had professional tax preparations done. how is that going over? i have mine done professionally.
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>> that were the excuse, there would be a lot of people that would feel relieved. donald trump very clearly has a sophisticated layer of lawyer who look at their things and do their best to limit the tax liabilities. not uncommon for super rich people. but for donald trump, who presents himself as a common guy and presents himself as a wealthy success, then he has these losses, that he claims in order to avoud paying taxes, and through the various corporate entities, all of those things undermine his core argument, which is i am rich and strong and successful and i always win. that's not what you'd expect. you're paying all this money and that's not what the returns show. that's why in 2016 and forward he had no interest in. >> thank you for that. good to see you. ready to run? president biden hunkering down with his family on vacation amid growing pressure for him to
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with the approach of a new congress, president biden is taking time off to vacation with family in the vur gin islands where he could reach a final decision on whether to mount a 2024 reelection bid, but all signs indicate he's ready for the fight and the "washington post" is high lying a washington strategy we can expect to want more of aggressive pushback against volatile remarks made by donald trump. for more, let's bring in phillip ruccer for the post. also author of "i alone can fix it." also with us donna edwards and ssan del percio. good to see all of you. phillip, let's talk about what your paper is doing which is outlining the strategy of sharply hitting back. the rapid responses coming in the weeks since democrats outperformed expectations in the november midterms, come as some
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democratic strategists see a political advantage in frequently drawing a contrast with trump, the republican party. and the republican lawmakers poised to take over the house of representatives. is this a big change for president biden? >> alex, it's not a wholesale change, but it's certainly an escalation of a strategy they have had, which is to use the most inflammatory and really flimsy actions and words of donald trump to brand the whole republican party. this was the strategy of democrats and republicans going into the mud term elections, but we're seeing it increase in the last couple weeks as the white house prepares to position against the republican majority in the house of representatives. so we're using some of the fringier statements of people like marjorie taylor greene, donald trump, et cetera to try
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to sort of cast over the republican party as they know they are going to be at logger heads here in washington and the legislative fights come next week. >> we have the "washington post," which was adding this quote, white house officials say biden has long felt compelled to publicly reject extremism and violent ret rim, pointing to his statements he decided to run against trump after seeing white supremacists rallying in charlottesville in 2017. so some will argue the best strategy is just ignore donald trump. what do you make of hitting back hard and it's a? >> think that the administration and the president tried that approach early on in the presidency, but the reality is that it didn't stop some of the most outrageous statements coming both from individual republicans and from donald trump. so i think just as the president entered the race on a message about charlottesville, you can
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go right up before the midterms when people were encouraging the president to focus on the economy and the president chose his last message to focus on democracy. shotgun that i think was animated for a lot of voters. so i'm not surprised by the attack of the white house, a very disciplined white house going into 2024. >> you make a good point there. it was the last major speech. there was another one as well leading up to the midterms. how pivotal do you think that was in terms of strategy for the democrats' success in the mud terms and how well do you think that would work going forward? >> i think it was critical because it wasn't a threat against cross, it was a threat against your rights. half the people in this country lost a right that they were born with. and other things that happened
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were right. for the record, i was wrong. i thought he should have focused on getting the economy and his achievements, but he got it right. and the threat to democracy is important. moving forward, i think it's critically important that biden and the senate democrats are a strong agenda that the republicans will going to look foolish for rejecting. ands especially when it comes to legislation on electoral reform. that could be very important to biden moving forward. but he should also use the first six months of this year to take more of a victory lap for the tremendous two years he had his first term in office. >> when do you think you're going to hear from biden on his 2024 plans? how quickly? >> he was planning to discuss this with his family over the holidays. he's doing that this week.
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i don't know if we're going to hear any sort of public announcement about his intentions in jarngs but we could hear some rumblings from his camp. some preparations towards a bid. but i would not anticipate a formal anonsment until later closer to the spring. he's in no need to lock this up right away. he has a little bit of time here to figure it out. >> on the flip side, what are you hearing from republican candidates who are trying to figure out their own decisions on whether to challenge donald trump? do you think those announcements could come soon? >> this is closer to the spring, maybe march or april. because they want to see what happens with donald trump. til's next book could be "trump alone broke it" and he could be talking about his campaign. his campaign is unraveling. but seriously, we just don't know where things are going with donald trump. there are several lawsuits that are coming up that are going to be reported. plus how many republicans jump
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into the race. that's what i'm looking for. it's not so much when, but how many. >> what about the how many with any democrats? is the democratic party fully on board with biden in 2024? do you think we could see a challenge? >> i think we saw some of those rumblings that we heard later in the campaign season i think all of that is just done. i think democrats are prepard to rally behind the president to enable him to implement some of the policies they have passed over the last couple years. i think what you can expect from republicans, particularly in the house, are a lot of messages that will be out of step with where the country is and that is going to provide is a tremendous contrast. i think democrats are prepared to go out and sell this president and the presidency. >> susan, how do you think the gop should respond to the many investigations looming over
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donald trump's candidacy? is there an appetite for this back ward looking grievance-focused campaign that trump engages in? is that still working with his base? >> it's still working with his base and how they should respond versus how they will respond are two different things. and the current gop, the ma ga gop is all about destruction. they want to take down everybody. even though this their own party who disagree. they will continue to go after that and looking for the investigations and look for them to continue to dominate the conversation. at the same time, look for people who are wanting to work across the aisle. the legislative areas that could be helpful to their own reelection as. there were 18 republicans that won biden districts in 2022. >> i'm glad for you guys to
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balance your conversations to the loud mouths we get otherwise. good to see you all. civilian targets, russia once again stepping up attacks on the southern city of kherson after troops liberated it six weeks ago. new reaction to the peace plan, right after this. o. new reaction to the peace plan, right after this otings in us history at pulse nightclub in orlando. - [barbara] walking into the building for the first time after the shooting, it was crippling, but it had to be preserved. if you are an ally of this community, speak out. there are more of us together than apart. it is the power of love in its rawest form. (classical piano music)
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ukraine's southern city of kherson under fire. only weeks ago the civilians were welcoming liberators now do russian bombardments including the shelling of a mar tenderty ward who sent them fleeing. russian attacks killed 11 people. he didn't wake up and that was it shrks she said. but the fiercest battles are in the east. among ukraine's longest battles so far, a violent crucible for the wider war. other areas in donbas require maximum strength and concentration, ukraine's president said. the situation is difficult and painful. the constant drum beat of war
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now a routine rhythm for many. you kind of get used to it, said this man. you don't look or listen carefully to what is happening. but i want to live a normal life. after five months of fighting, there's little here left to destroy. except lives. like a video game designer who was killed just before christmas. he always cared about other people more than himself, said his friend. and diplomacy reached another impass this week. russia announcing it will ban oil sales to any country that imposes a cap on what it can charge. the move may limit the ability to punish moscow. but on ukraine's home front, energy is also in short supply. civilians huddled through a cold, dark christmas with electricity outages, war weary but still celebrating as best they can. and this war is now in its 11th
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month. i just want to talk about the toll that it's taken of the civilian population. the united nations came out with a new report just recently saying that 40% of the population, that's about 18 million people, now rely on assistance. but they also interviewed some others that said 7% of the population says they don't want to leave. >> heartbreaking as well. the mother who told her son to leaf and he didn't and lost his life. tragic. thank you. so joining me now is former command erp of the united states european command and military analyst lieutenant steph twidy. welcome, sir. your reaction to these targets, they are civilian structures and critical infrastructure and it's happening as the temperatures are dropping. ukraine's resolve has been formidable, but can it sustain this through the winter? >> well, there's no military
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logic to these targets whatsoever. this is all about terrorizing the ukrainian people. and as you know, freezing temperatures there, i have been impressed so far the continued will and resolve that ukrainian people. they are getting through this winter, even though they have a lo lack of heat, they have a lack of energy, resources and they are headaching their way through this. if you look at this, the russians have dug in on the east side is of the river. so they are using two things to their advantage. number one, the river and winter. as long as they can sit on the side of the river and throw a rock at art tul ri, they take this punishment. >> give me a sense strategically
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from russia's point of view whey do they want it so badly? because when we saw six weeks ago that the ukrainians had taken that and the liberation and the joy we saw on the street, you have to wonder ass was reported by matt bradley, people say there's nothing left here to bomb except the people pop so what's the point of going after kherson? >> the biggest point is the gateway to crimea. you take a look at kherson, you take a look at where russia is, they want to make that gateway through donbas to kherson down to crimea. that would establish their land bridge. as long as the ukrainians have occupied, then their land bridge is threatened. it's critical they take that and have the stability for their land. >> general, you heard matt's report that president putin has
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signed that decree banning crude oil to any country that has joined the $60 price cap scheme for russian sea-born oil. what is his calculous right now? >> this is an interesting move. so it was the g7, eu and australia that really backed the sanctions here. and putin turned around and said sanctions here is what we're talking about with the $60 barrel. so what i believe putin would do is count on russia, india, pakistan and others to be be able to continue to buy this oil and it's not impacted by the $60 decree. he's saying you can have your decree and ul go to my other countries who have been buying
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oil and i would lose any sleep to the, u countries. what i will tell you is i foresee the price of oil going up in europe as well as probably the price of oil in africa and elsewhere as a result of this. >> extraordinary. lieutenant general, thank you so much for your time and expertise. out of this world, the incredible advancements we made this year in space exploration. that's next when msnbc reports continues right after this. msns continues right after this what will you do? ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us.
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spaceship that will one day carry astronauts back to the moon. a long orbit deeper into space. >> orion is right in the money, coming right down the pike. >> then a spectacular reentry with the heat shield heating 5,000 degrees. that's half the temperature of the sun. >> and there it is, high over the pacific. >> reporter: before a gentle pair suit drop into the pacific ocean. >> splashdown. >> it is the beginning of the new beginning, and that is to explore the heavens. >> reporter: that new beginning will include astronauts on a similar test flight around the moon in 2024. then a lunar landing in 2025 or '26 with a crew that includes a woman and a person of color. the first return to the moon since those heady days of
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apollo. >> the eagle has landed. >> reporter: but nasa is also leaning heavily on private companies. spacex now regularly launches both crew and cargo to the iss. this is the view of earth from the international space station and the simulator at nasa in houston. outside, the blue richness of earth and the blackness, the deep blackness of space. right there the canada arm which has reached out to grab an incoming cargo vessel. spacex is now working overtime on its starship that will carry astronauts to the moon, then perhaps mars in the late 2030s. another huge success in 2022, nasa's d.a.r.t. mission. the spacecraft in time lapse traveling at 14,000 miles per
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hour, slamming into a small astroid named die more foss and pushing it ever so slightly off its orbit. a critical success if nasa hopes to one day deflect an incoming, planet-killing astroid away from earth. >> this is a watershed moment for planetary defense and a watershed moment for humanity. >> reporter: the most visual space achievement in 2022 were the spectacular images from the james webb telescope. we're looking at light bill euns of years old, the creation of the universe, distant stars, begging the question are we alone. >> we could have an answer about whether or not there's life in the universe. it would change our entire understanding of what we were and who we are in the universe. >> reporter: it's big and
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