in every direction. it's not stopping voting processes, it's just not. it's not doing that thing, and it clearly is just a complete bad faith to pay get to covid, which nobody is even talking about. it just seems like a way of avoiding the issue, and try to i don't know what, strong on the administration into keeping this trump policy. it just seems like a failure in every direction. >> that's exactly right. we've always said, let's talk about the asylum process if you want to make it more efficient. we are all for, that as long as there is due process. i think you already made an important point about how it's not stopping people from coming. decreasing the number of encounters because people don't get asylum, they're going to come back desperate to at least get one hearing. title 40 doesn't give you a hearing whatsoever, even if you

present. >> one of the lawyers on this a very complicated case, thank you very much for making time for us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> i have to say, i was raised catholic, and there's one thing a takeaway for my catholic childhood, people that are scared, tired, lonely, and cold, in a strange land of the people who we should be caring for. that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now with alicia menendez in for alex. good evening. good evening, chris, a conducive debater myself. thank you at-home for joining us this hour. alex has the night of. this is something that has happened every day, like clockwork frizzling as many of us can remember. the white house sends out to the media something called the daily guidance. it is a basic schedule for the president that day. here's a recent one for president biden. at the top, there are a few paragraphs describing what the presidents'day will entail, and

below, that there is a schedule of the major events planned, getting the intelligence briefing, major meetings, timing of any travel the president will do. they put it out so that the price can play in its coverage, and so you, the american people, can know the basic aligned of what our president is doing on any given day. this is something done every day, every white house, under every president. just a couple weeks before the end of donald trump's presidency, something truly weird happened. do you remember this? the white house started issuing daily guidance to just this, president trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. he will make many calls and have many meetings, and then it would mentioned something about a campaign rally that he was doing. that was it. he will make many calls, and make many meetings. many people assume that the time that this was a white house communication staff covering for the fact that the president a couple weeks before

leaving office had simply stopped working. thanks to new scripts, we know that the explanation is even more ridiculous. thanks to a transcript with one of trump's deputy press secretary, donald trump did not know the white house guidance existed until the last weeks of his term. upon learning that his schedule is being made public, he personally assisted on changing the way that his daily schedule was described. quote, every evening we prepared released a deal and getting for the following day of the president's public schedule, meaning sometime around mid to late december. the president discovered that for the first time that we released a public schedule of his to the public, he wanted to change the way we did that. the language about working from early in the morning to late in the evening, making many calls, and many meetings, there was language that he, quote, personally had approved that we could disseminate about his public schedule.

among the disturbing things that we've learned from the investigation and the transcript, there are also gems like these. we learned what donald trump was trying to overturn elections, to cling to power through under cry -- he's also taking to micromanage when his press releases, to make sure that people knew that he was working really hard. here is a serious question about these charges. the january 6th committee releases these transcripts day by day, patch by batch of all of the interviews they have conducted. we're getting all of these new insights into the evidence that the committee collected and the investigation. trump's chief of staff burnt documents in his fireplace. trump, considering blanket pardons for january 6th rioters and political allies. the treasury secretary, googling the 25th amendment, talking about removing the president after the attack on the capitol. this is all good knowledge of us to have assistance.

the committee's work is making its way into critical cases around january 6th. just today, a federal judge cited the january 6th report for the first time in the case of a january 6th rioter. saying the trump may have been urging his supporters to break the law when he sent them to the capitol that day. it's a remarkable moment of transparency there for all of the investigative work out congress has done has been made available to the public. we expect more transcripts to be released in the coming days. but what does it mean for the justice department investigation into january 6th? you have all of these useful transcripts out in the public domain. the doj and january 6th may have been back and forth for months, but whether and how much the committee is sharing their work with the department. back in may, they refused the request for transcripts of its interviews, and then they said that they would start sharing them. they would suggested they did not get everything yet.

well they have long wanted their january six committee to share the work with them, they might not have wanted them to shed quite so publicly. joining us now, chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official, check, thank you so much as always for being here. the 16 committee, they've been releasing a lot of trim scripts, 1000 plus interviews that they conducted across the course of the investigation. can you talk to us about why the committee is doing, that and the effect that has on the doj's investigation into the january 6th attack? >> certainly. the committee has an incentive to be transparent. they want to show their work, that's what i used to do on middle school math tests. i get some credit for showing my work even if i got the wrong answer. and so understanding their institutional perspective on dumping all of these transcripts into the public domain is useful, but it is also useful to look at from the perspective of the justice department. the justice department when they are doing investigations,

does not show its work. for a bunch of simple reasons, but let me just mention too. they're both implicated by what is going on right now. the justice department doesn't want witnesses seeing what other witnesses said. if you do that, witness a, b, and see, could all change their story to one another, into what other people said. ill intentioned witnesses could get their stories together, that's not helpful. and then there is a second thing, potentially more dangerous. we see a lot of this if you think back to the mueller report, volume to describe this large pattern of obstructive conduct by the president, and some folks around him. you don't want vulnerable witnesses intimidated or harassed, or worse. the puck -- absolutely wanted the transcripts, they just didn't want them dumped into the public domain and understand

the respective institutional perspectives help understand what is going on here. >> to that first point about the possibility of tailoring their testimony based on others. if they testified before the -- they would have to track with what they told the committee. >> it would have to track, except for one thing that you always would see as a prosecutor, or as an investigator, which is that people sometimes, and sort of faultlessly, get details wrong, or they remember things in an interview three that they did not mention in interview one. that happens all the time, discrepancies always occur. in fact, the way that i think about it is that some evidence that people are telling the truth, they're struggling to remember things, they say a and then not a, that's okay. but what will happen here with

1000-plus transcripts being dumped into the public sphere, is the defense attorneys, many of them less so are going to spend a lot of time seeing when assistant about the potential clients. that is what worries me. there is a reason that the justice department does not do its investigations publicly. there's a reason that congress does. again, they have different institutional interests, but dumping stuff into the public domain could put people at risk, and people can change their stories with one another. >> if we know that the doj asked for the committee transcript earlier this year, they did not receive, and now they're releasing them to the public, i wonder if you think that the department of justice would've made their concerns clear to the committee about this in advance. and how would these conversations even play out? >> i would imagine they did, and more, so alicia, more senior staff on the committee,

former federal prosecutors and very good ones, they would've understood the different institutional interests. i know that at least congressman schiff, maybe others, but he was a federal prosecutor in california. he would've understood the different institutional interests. it's hard for me to imagine that the department of justice did not tell the committee what it preferred, and that the committee did not understand with the justice department preferred. again, the committee wanted to show its work. i understand that, but the committee said he wanted to cooperate with the department of justice. there are two ways that it could've done that, and at least two ways they come immediately into my mind. they could've given the justice department months ago these transcripts, and could've done it privately. >> if i let you go, jamie raskin told my colleague tonight that the doj case against trump, in my mind, is open and shut. take a listen. oh, we do not have that sound.

i wonder if you think it is open and shut, chuck rosenberg? >> i saw with the committee presented, and i thought it was thoughtful, but proving something in a committee room is very different than a federal courtroom. i hesitate behind all of this stuff out here being open in, shine because it seems like there's good evidence. but a pure, unanimous -- but you know this in the committee, rev there's no, judge no defense attorney, no cross-examination. there's no federal rules about it, they are no federal rules. not only with different institutional interests, but with different procedures. i would be careful about saying that anything is open and shut without seeing all of the evidence. >> chuck rosenberg, i appreciate your appropriate caution as always, senior fbi

official, chuck rosenberg, thank you so much for your time and expertise. we have a lot more to get to tonight, including the republican party at a crossroads. do they stay the course and commit even more fully to trumpism, or do they take another path? before we get to that, if you're watching this from the comfort of your own home, consider yourself lucky. we are going to come back, their holiday travel nightmare is far from over from thousands of americans, for the airline at the center of the chaos. stay with us. stay with us your brain is an amazing thing.

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hearing here is a mess. in the s s. the people made it fine, but you can see me behind here right now. we have a sea of luggage in the food court, where they set up a makeshift baggage claim. >> that's what takes the toxins in the fluid off of your body. i needed it yesterday. >> no idea where her medicine and bags are, she is still booked a separate flight to kansas city to get home. >> airports all across the country are overflowing with unclean delegates tonight. passengers have reported spending multiple day sifting through seasoned luggage, with little to no help from staff. the denver airport alone, there more than 10,000 pieces of

acclaimed luggage. amidst all of this chaos, you might think we're still in the middle of last week's blizzard. we are not. this week scam is being caused by one airline, southwest. according to the flight tracker, they've canceled more than 2500 flights today alone. put that into perspective, the cancellation for all of the other companies combined today we're about 100 flights. overall, southwest is canceled 1400 plane since last thursday. the customer service has been completely overwhelmed with passengers reporting lines with ours -- these cancellations are not just annoying, as they are leaving travelers across the country strange without belongings. leaving many to figure out their own food, communications and alternate routes home. >> mike patel and other family members flying southwest were stranded, so he bought --

before driving home to omaha. >> we had to book this for $3, 000, and then our own -- it cost me, karen ting, uber, almost $10,000. >> i suppose to connect in denver, but they dropped us up here and told us that we have to reschedule our flight. >> so you're stuck in the city where you don't know anyone? >> i don't know anyone here, i've never been to this city. it's been very rough. >> adding to his troubles, southwest told him that they are unable to offer food ventures because they don't have contracts with any kansas city businesses. he says that he has been paying for a hotel out of his own pocket, it is now out of money, with no place to go until at least thursday. >> it's not just the passengers roughing it right now. the union representing the ground crew at southwest released even saying that their members have been working 16 hour shifts, and some have

developed frostbite for prolonged exposure to temperatures. unions representing southwest pilots and flight attendants say that they are members have been stuck sleeping at airports because they were unable to find hotel rooms. that is all on top of having to deal with thousands of angry customers every day. the southwest ceo offered an apology last night, signal doing everything the day -- today, southwest rolled out a new website specifically for travelers to submit requests for refunds. the entire thing is such a mess that the washington is getting involved. transportation secretary told our colleagues at msnbc nightly news yesterday that he's going to sow hold southwest accountable, and make sure they give financial compensation to their customers. top members of the senate commerce committee have vowed to look into the southwest debacle. what exactly is causing this kind of issue at southwest? other airlines were fine, how

do you fix it? joining us now, justin george, transportation reporter for the washington post. justin, thank you so much for being with us. explain to us how southwest is such a mess right now. what happened? >> it's pretty staggering, it's basically a perfect storm of what happened here. you have antiquated older scheduling systems, you have so many things, so many variables that you're working with in flights. positioning airplanes, crews, pilots, and runways. all of those things have to work together. according to employees, according to the union, including to analysts, southwest has long been working with out of date equipment. they have been urging the airline to make an upgrade, like many airlines have. they haven't yet. they've been slow to do so for whatever reason. they've gotten by in the past, because they've been very centralized, centralized

instate, and their systems can recover from that. they can do that pretty quickly, or in a matter of days or so. what happened is that we saw a massive winter storm here. it blanketed 60% of the nation, and hit many airports. many of them southwest serves, and so that created a huge chain reaction of disruptions. stranded passengers, obviously, crew pilot, planes, and as that information started coming back in, systems cannot handle it all. while the other airlines were able to get up and running, southwest was not. they also had the most flights domestically, and so they were dealing with, that a huge winter storm, and you have antiquated equipment you're dealing with. >> and then there's the third component. you reported in internal memo that the vp of southwest since a week ago. today, raising red flags about

staffing shortages. lie is that important here, how does it factor in? >> that appeared in denver with ground workers on december 21st. there is a run up of people sick or calling out, or taking personal days during that afternoon or evening. that's about when the storm was heading. the vice president of southwest issued a state of emergency, basically mandating that everybody has to go to work. if you're going to be six, you needed a doctors note. it was not good enough to have a telemedicine known, if he had a physical doctor give you a reason for being out. that's part of the union contract, which is what southwest tells us. southwest has maintained this entire time that they haven't had any staffing shortages, and if they were prepared for the storm. it's typical to see, because with that area in denver, there is a shortage for them to raise a state of emergency.

just talking to pilots and seeing other things from what pilots another cruise are seen, it does appear that they had enough staff. this really seems to be a problem at the eternal system. you have pilots, passengers, customers, everybody trying to call in because their systems require manual recording and things like that. it just can't handle the number of calls, the amount of information coming in. >> just in georgia, transportation reporter for the washington post, thank you so much for your time tonight. joining us now, david slotkin, senior aviation business reporter from -- david, thank you so much for being with us. you treated that peoples lives are likely to be ruined by southwest mountains down what did you mean by that? >> thank you for having me. it's a tough situation the passengers are going to right now. people are stranded, literally stranded. this is the busiest travel period of the year. there are not a lot of seats

available for people. it's hard to get rebooked on another airline. when it comes down to it, a lot of this signals with passengers earlier on the program really have to pay their own way, they are buying their own hotel rooms, paying their own alternate flights. it's not something that everyone can afford. this is christmas, this is their one flight of the year. they don't necessarily have money for a last-minute take it for a family of five, or for a week in a hotel room full southwest gets its operations sorted. what it's getting at is that this is real impact on real people. it's enough to miss christmas, or miss family, be stuck for a few days, but this can really cause a lot of problems for some people. >> i'm struck by this, the woman missing her dialysis appointment. a lot of people watch this and they wonder what rights

travelers in this country have when an airline messes up like this. >> that is the really unfortunate thing. there are not many rights the are entitled to. the number one thing that you do get no matter what is a refund on the flight that is canceled. that doesn't necessarily cover your expenses. the southwest has said that they are voluntarily choosing to consider reimbursing passengers for reasonable expenses. that is hotels, alternate transportation, food potentially, but the thing is that they don't have any obligation to do this. it's going to be on a voluntary basis, and we reached out to southwest today, and they told us that everything would be considered case by case. what does that mean? if you don't have the ability to afford a situation like that, the risk buying a last minute flight that southwest might or might not be able to reimburse. >> southwest is at the going to lower the amount of flights that they're canceling the next

few days. they're going to reset, get back on track. how does that work, i did they get those stranded people to their destinations with fewer flights? >> it's a very hard thing to do, and it will take a few days to do it. the key thing is that southwest put a limit on their imagery, so they're basically not selling flights for at least a few days as they work to cancel flights through friday. they're going to cancel beyond two thirds of the network. the idea is that,. ,. ,. >>,,. , i wonder if you see a long

term fix. a seeing regulation, what would it take to get at the heart of what consumers are up against. >> they've been very vocal on these rights, but those rights are fairly limited. to do more, you'd have to see some sort of legislation. whether we actually see that or not, it remains to be seen. you would be a very big step, and there are protections like that in europe, but not here. we're going to see what happens, and i think at the very least, we're going to have to see southwest making some changes to their technology, to everything backing the system. in terms of passenger rights, that's a big question. >> big question indeed, thank you so much for being with us. we have a lot more to talk about tonight, including questions about why the most important elements in the january 6th attack on the capital.

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in new york state has announced a knit vest again into republican congressman elect george santos. he was discovered to have repeatedly fabricated parts of his personal biography while running for office. lying about everything from where he graduated college to whether or not he was a member of the jewish faith. santos's election, to a congressional seat previously controlled by democrats had been one of the few election victories that the publicans had gone through this cycle. an election year this shoe favored republicans -- the party is looking to cast blame for those losses on a key trump ally. republican national committee chair ronny mcdaniels. according to the new york times, mcdaniel could be considered a trump proxy by republicans, eager to begin to eradicate what many considered to be a parties preeminent problem.

the former presidents influence over the gop. for republicans looking to move their party passed trump, there's just one problem. all of the candidates that have stepped up to try to replace mcdaniel are even trumpy year than she is. so far, the list of would-be chairs include charlie kirk, turning point usa. the trump loyalist and friend of foxes no -- and of course, he spends all of his time making wild claims about how china stole the election from trump. it's the same problem that we see playing out in the house of representatives, where a longtime trump ally kevin mccarthy is facing revolt from far-right members of his caucus who think that the parties only mistake is toot not embrace trumpism. while the same dynamic is playing out in the race to replace trump himself, the washington post reports that several key republicans are gearing up to challenge donald trump for the 2024 presidential nomination. florida governor ron desantis,

who already leads trump in some early head to head polls is reportedly preparing to enact these far-right agendas that include no restrictions, loosening of gun safety laws, and attacks on so-called corporations. the republican party will further and drop -- even as a spotlight on trump himself against frank -- david jolly, he is no longer affiliated with the republican party. he's also an msnbc contributor. i wonder what you make of this entire story, but specifically now as we have this development, what that means four republican house conference? >> george santos likely is to survive for about two years, and then be voted out by the voters of new york's third congressional district. he now faces a third congestion all district. the only way they could bring him down as if it was related

to financial crimes, where it comes, from was a tax fraud, but beyond that, expect kevin mccarthy to lead the effort to have santa seated next tuesday. he wants his vote for speaker of the house, and then house republicans have very little options. unless there is an indictment, they will likely allow him all of the privileges in the house, unless there is some additional scandal that causes him to remove him from committees. >> before we even get to what it means for kevin mccarthy to get to the speakership, because he is counting votes on this kind of margin, you have the new york post proportion of members of the republican initiative. they knew about santos's lies. they were keeping it quiet. no that's not surprising to you, but i do wonder what it tells you. if you think not reporting it is a problem for him. >> sure, like, how seats are

essentially commodities that are traded between the parties and big mixes, and deep pocketed donors. the candidate matters less than actually winning the district for the red or blue column. republicans are happy to have george santas in a caucus where lying is commonplace. on dating apps, you get a lie as much as you want, as kind of except the socially. the only difference is that on dating apps you can go to the person, but in congress, you have him for two years. -- and not only make some culpable, but should bring shame on today's caucus. >> i tip my hat to you, sir, for that very tech savvy comparison there. i am struck by the fact that -- >> i don't know which way you swipe to get rid of them, but i know you swipe one way. >> it strikes me that it seems like the republicans have not figured out exactly how they feel about desantis, or how

they feel about organizing themselves around him. you have empty g could defending santos, and attacking tucker carlson's tv show for asking him about his life. it seems to be a cross of the wires. >> taylor greene is an interesting one, because the truth is, in modern politics, you don't need that modern infrastructure if you can create a national constituency. marjorie taylor greene generates more money outside of the kevin mccarthy machine than within it. they've created a national following. the question is, can george santos, who has now been widely considered a fraud and mocked for his lying, can he create this victimhood constituency of other republicans? that is a tough sell, but you're starting to see him use that language. these democrats are saying that they live more than i do. i don't know if they can pull it off. if they can, they'll have him around for quite some time. >> i want to ask for different component of this disarray, which is what you make up the

fight that is happening inside the rnc. >> a lot of crazies are fighting to leave the flock if you will. if you saw the texas state committee unanimously voted no confidence in the sitting chairwoman, romney mcdaniel. there are other crazies to take over. there's very little that the rnc does in terms of actual election hearings. other than the national primary. that's where mcdaniels relationship has been so critical to donald trump. but now mcdaniel at the home, who knows what the predecessor might do in an open primary with desantis and pompeo and others. >> to that point, they're presenting many alternatives. they all look like they might

be running against trump. i wonder what you make of that list of names? >> it's desantis and everybody else. trump is carrying a terrible campaign right now. can trump upped his game out of survival? maybe he will do that. this feels more like the 2000 republican nomination process where george w. bush was coordinated start to finish. desantis has not faced the national stage. very importantly, as we have discussed, on election night, the nation did not choose the type of politics that trump and desantis in the state of florida have otherwise offered. desantis will make the case that he's the better messenger, and that's why he is so strong in florida. the rest of the country has said that we don't want that, and they said that in 18 and 20, and 2022. i'm not sure the desantis hot hand is good enough to carry him through 2024. >> i don't disagree with your

analysis, but my question is that if the rest of the field sees him as the front runner, and they see him as the front runner because he is trying to be even trump year than trump, do they tack on the opposite direction, or do they just try to outrun him? >> here's the inside ball game. you rattle rhonda scientist, he's somebody who has an incredibly fragile ego. easily rattled, easily defensive, loses his temper, boxes people as we saw him do with that college student who is wearing a mask. you are not going to out fight rhonda sanchez. he has used migrants for, theater has angered the lgbtq community, he's angered people of faith, and frankly those who wish to express their own speech. he has checked all of those boxes, he satisfies those. what he can't do is survive the heat of a -- and so what a smart pence, or pompeo would do, is rattled

atlanta's. then you might see somebody that the nation says the disguise unprepared to lead the country. >> david jolly, thank you for the inside inside. there is more to come tonight, including a major aspect of the january 6th riot. it has somehow not made into the january 6th committee's report. it's missing from the narrative. why? that's just ahead. that's just ahead. hello, world. or is it goodbye? you know, it seems like hope and trust are in short supply. [clap] now, as businesses we can blame and shame. or... [whistles] we can make a change. [clap] we can make work, work for our communities. create more equal opportunities. [clap] it's time for business to show its true worth. because it's not goodbye, world. it's hello, team earth. [clap] wondering what actually goes into your multivitamin? at new chapter, its' innovation, organic ingredients, and fermentation. fermentation?

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of these prophesy's. nino this idea that god horse ordained it to be trump i don't think generous if it happened like it did. >> arrogant prophesy that was outgoing republican congressman member the january six committee speaking to the incredible impact that christian nationalism had on january 6th. the belief that united states to be run by christians and christian theology is a growing and dangerous political identity among conservatives. on january six they prayed outside the capitol when held up a capitol flags and jesus is my savior trump is my president. they've been prayed inside the capitol on the floor of the senate during insurrection. it hundred and 45-page january six report christian nationalism was only said it once in a passive reference.

the report did not go into detail about the influence and role evolution in the attack. but that doesn't mean the views didn't play a role in the attack. during an oversight subcommittee hearing amanda tyler testified to the role of christian nationalism generous six. >> christian nationalism fueled the attack on january six. it was infusing political cause with religious fervor. christian nationalism overlaps with and. provides cover with white supremacy and racial subjugation. >> that part right there about political identity. white christian nationalism associated with january six but a growing movement among conservatives. take republican governor and his message to college students

earlier this year. >> put on the full armor of god. stand firm against the left teams. you will face flaming arrow but if you have the shield of faith you will overcome them. i have only begun to fight. >> joining us now is amanda tyler. executive director for the religious liberty. thank you for being here to testify to congress that christian nationalism helped fuel the january 6th attack. tell me more but i believe this. >> well, thanks for covering this really important topic alicia. i think understanding christian nationalism alone does not explain the january 6th attack but we will not understand what happened at the capitol on january six if we don't confront christian nationalism. the symbols of christian

nationalism are on full display. not only on january six itself but at numerous rallies leading up to the attack and in a report that the baptist committee there was a comprehensive accounting we are going to unite a group of attackers through violent means. talk about the point that you made your testimony. it's not just white christian nationalism it's it is a basic

and it relates back to the country's founding. it relies and white christians. this ideology attacks a foundational value of religious freedom for all. it undercuts democracy itself. for christians like me. they told the washington post and and that every one. i want to hear what you make of

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