coming. decreasing the number of encounters because people don't get asylum, they're going to come back desperate to at least get one hearing. title 40 doesn't give you a hearing whatsoever, even if you present. >> one of the lawyers on this a very complicated case, thank you very much for making time for us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> i have to say, i was raised catholic, and there's one thing a takeaway for my catholic childhood, people that are scared, tired, lonely, and cold, in a strange land of the people who we should be caring for. that is all in on this wednesday night. that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now with alicia menendez in for alex. good evening. >> good evening to you chris, i could not have said that better myself, and thank you at-home

for joining us this hour, i'm alicia menendez, alex has the night off. this is something that has happened every day, like clockwork frizzling as many of us can remember. the white house sends out to the media something called the daily guidance. it is a basic schedule for the president that day. here's a recent one for president biden. at the top, there are a few paragraphs describing what the presidents'day will entail, and below, that there is a schedule of the major events planned, getting the intelligence briefing, major meetings, timing of any travel the president will do. they put it out so that the price can play in its coverage, and so you, the american people, can know the basic aligned of what our president is doing on any given day. this is something done every day, every white house, under every president. just a couple weeks before the end of donald trump's presidency, something truly weird happened. do you remember this? the white house started issuing daily guidance to just this,

president trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. he will make many calls and have many meetings, and then it would mentioned something about a campaign rally that he was doing. that was it. he will make many calls, and make many meetings. many people assume that the time that this was a white house communication staff covering for the fact that the president a couple weeks before leaving office had simply stopped working. thanks to new scripts, we know that the explanation is even more ridiculous. thanks to a transcript with one of trump's deputy press secretary, donald trump did not know the white house guidance existed until the last weeks of his term. upon learning that his schedule is being made public, he personally assisted on changing the way that his daily schedule was described. quote, every evening we prepared released a deal and getting for the following day of the president's public schedule, meaning sometime around mid to late december.

the president discovered that for the first time that we released a public schedule of his to the public, he wanted to change the way we did that. the language about working from early in the morning to late in the evening, making many calls, and many meetings, there was language that he, quote, personally had approved that we could disseminate about his public schedule. among the disturbing things that we've learned from the investigation and the transcript, there are also gems like these. we learned what donald trump was trying to overturn elections, to cling to power through under cry -- undemocratic means, he's also taking to micromanage when his press releases, to make sure that people knew that he was working really hard. here is a serious question about these charges. the january 6th committee releases these transcripts day by day, patch by batch of all of the interviews they have conducted. we're getting all of these new insights into the evidence that the committee collected and the

investigation. trump's chief of staff burnt documents in his fireplace. trump, considering blanket pardons for january 6th rioters and political allies. the treasury secretary, googling the 25th amendment, talking about removing the president after the attack on the capitol. this is all good knowledge of us to have assistance. the committee's work is making its way into critical cases around january 6th. just today, a federal judge cited the january 6th report for the first time in the case of a january 6th rioter. saying the trump may have been urging his supporters to break the law when he sent them to the capitol that day. it's a remarkable moment of transparency there for all of the investigative work out congress has done has been made available to the public. we expect more transcripts to be released in the coming days. but what does it mean for the

justice department investigation into january 6th? you have all of these useful transcripts out in the public domain. the doj and january 6th may have been back and forth for months, but whether and how much the committee is sharing their work with the department. back in may, they refused the request for transcripts of its interviews, and then they said that they would start sharing them. they would suggested they did not get everything yet. well they have long wanted their january six committee to share the work with them, they might not have wanted them to shed quite so publicly. joining us now, chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official, check, thank you so much as always for being here. the 16 committee, they've been releasing a lot of trim scripts, 1000 plus interviews that they conducted across the course of the investigation. can you talk to us about why the committee is doing, that and the effect that has on the doj's investigation into the january 6th attack? >> certainly. the committee has an incentive to be transparent. they want to show their work, that's what i used to do on middle school math tests. i get some credit for showing my work even if i got the wrong

answer. and so understanding their institutional perspective on dumping all of these transcripts into the public domain is useful, but it is also useful to look at from the perspective of the justice department. the justice department when they are doing investigations, does not show its work. for a bunch of simple reasons, but let me just mention too. they're both implicated by what is going on right now. the justice department doesn't want witnesses seeing what other witnesses said. if you do that, witness a, b, and see, could all change their story to one another, into what other people said. ill intentioned witnesses could get their stories together, that's not helpful. and then there is a second thing, potentially more dangerous. we see a lot of this if you think back to the mueller report, volume to describe this large pattern of obstructive

conduct by the president, and some folks around him. you don't want vulnerable witnesses intimidated or harassed, or worse. the puck -- absolutely wanted the transcripts, they just didn't want them dumped into the public domain and understand the respective institutional perspectives help understand what is going on here. >> to that first point about the possibility of tailoring their testimony based on others. if they testified before the -- they would have to track with what they told the committee. >> it would have to track, except for one thing that you always would see as a prosecutor, or as an investigator, which is that people sometimes, and sort of faultlessly, get details wrong, or they remember things in an interview three that they did not mention in interview one. that happens all the time, discrepancies always occur. in fact, the way that i think about it is that some evidence that people are telling the truth, they're struggling to remember things, they say a and then not a, that's okay. but what will happen here with 1000-plus transcripts being

dumped into the public sphere, is the defense attorneys, many of them less so are going to spend a lot of time seeing when assistant about the potential clients. that is what worries me. there is a reason that the justice department does not do its investigations publicly. there's a reason that congress does. again, they have different institutional interests, but dumping stuff into the public domain could put people at risk, and people can change their stories with one another. >> if we know that the doj asked for the committee

transcript earlier this year, they did not receive, and now they're releasing them to the public, i wonder if you think that the department of justice would've made their concerns clear to the committee about this in advance. and how would these conversations even play out? >> i would imagine they did, and more, so alicia, more senior staff on the committee, former federal prosecutors and very good ones, they would've understood the different institutional interests. i know that at least congressman schiff, maybe others, but he was a federal prosecutor in california. he would've understood the different institutional interests. it's hard for me to imagine that the department of justice did not tell the committee what it preferred, and that the committee did not understand with the justice department preferred. again, the committee wanted to show its work. i understand that, but the committee said he wanted to cooperate with the department of justice. there are two ways that it could've done that, and at least two ways they come immediately into my mind. they could've given the justice department months ago these transcripts, and could've done

it privately. >> if i let you go, jamie raskin told my colleague tonight that the doj case against trump, in my mind, is open and shut. take a listen. oh, we do not have that sound. i wonder if you think it is open and shut, chuck rosenberg? >> i saw with the committee presented, and i thought it was thoughtful, but proving something in a committee room is very different than a federal courtroom. i hesitate behind all of this stuff out here being open in, shine because it seems like there's good evidence. but proving it to a journey, unanimously, without a reasonable doubt. but you know this in the

committee, rev there's no, judge no defense attorney, no cross-examination. there's no federal rules about it, they are no federal rules. not only with different institutional interests, but with different procedures. i would be careful about saying that anything is open and shut without seeing all of the evidence. >> chuck rosenberg, i appreciate your appropriate caution as always, senior fbi official, chuck rosenberg, thank you so much for your time and expertise. we have a lot more to get to tonight, including the republican party at a crossroads. do they stay the course and commit even more fully to trumpism, or do they take another path? before we get to that, if you're watching this from the comfort of your own home, consider yourself lucky. we are going to come back, their holiday travel nightmare is far from over from thousands of americans, for the airline at the center of the chaos. stay with us. research shows people remember commercials with nostalgia. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance,

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lasting hours. these cancellations are not just annoying, as they are leaving travelers across the country strange without belongings. forcing many premature out their own food, hotel communications, and alternate rooms home. >> mike patel and other family members flying southwest were stranded, so he booked an allegiance fly before driving home to omaha. >> we had to book this for $3, 000, and then yesterday hotel night, for our own food. with a car renting uber. it's almost $10,000. >> i suppose to connect in denver, but they dropped us up here and told us that we have to reschedule our flight. >> so you're stuck in the city where you don't know anyone? >> i don't know anyone here, i've never been to this city. it's been very rough. >> adding to his troubles, southwest told him that they are unable to offer food

vouchers because they don't have contracts with any kansas city businesses. he says that he has been paying for a hotel out of his own pocket, it is now out of money, with no place to go until at least thursday. >> it's not just the passengers roughing it right now. the union representing the ground crew at southwest released even saying that their members have been working 16 hour shifts, and some have developed frostbite for prolonged exposure to temperatures. unions representing southwest pilots and flight attendants say that they are members have been stuck sleeping at airports because they were unable to find hotel rooms. that is all on top of having to deal with thousands of angry customers every day. the southwest ceo offered an apology last night, signal doing everything that they can, to offer a normal operation. he says he sorry. today, southwest rolled out a

new website specifically for travelers to submit requests for refunds. the entire thing is such a mess that the washington is getting involved. transportation secretary told our colleagues at msnbc nightly news yesterday that he's going to hold southwest accountable, and make sure they give financial compensation to their customers. top members of the senate commerce committee have vowed to look into the southwest debacle. what exactly is causing this kind of issue at southwest? other airlines were fine, how do you fix it? joining us now, justin george, transportation reporter for the washington post. justin, thank you so much for being with us. explain to us how southwest is such a mess right now. what happened? >> it's pretty staggering, it's basically a perfect storm of what happened here. you have antiquated older scheduling systems, you have so many things, so many variables that you're working with in flights. positioning airplanes, crews, pilots, and runways. all of those things have to work together. according to employees, according to the union, including to analysts, southwest has long been working with out of date equipment. they have been urging the

airline to make an upgrade, like many airlines have. they haven't yet. they've been slow to do so for whatever reason. they've gotten by in the past, because they've been very centralized, centralized instate, and their systems can recover from that. they can do that pretty quickly, or in a matter of days or so. what happened is that we saw a massive winter storm here. it blanketed 60% of the nation, and hit many airports. many of them southwest serves, and so that created a huge chain reaction of disruptions. stranded passengers, obviously, crew pilot, planes, and as that information started coming back in, systems cannot handle it all. while the other airlines were able to get up and running, southwest was not. they also had the most flights domestically, and so they were dealing with, that a huge winter storm, and you have antiquated equipment you're dealing with. >> and then there's the third component. you reported in internal memo that the vp of southwest since a week ago. today, raising red flags about staffing shortages. lie is that important here, how does it factor in?

>> and then there's the third component. you reported in internal memo that the vp of southwest since a week ago. today, raising red flags about staffing shortages. lie is that important here, how does it factor in? >> that appeared in denver with ground workers on december 21st. there is a run up of people sick or calling out, or taking personal days during that afternoon or evening. that's about when the storm was heading. the vice president of southwest issued a state of emergency, basically mandating that everybody has to go to work. if you're going to be six, you needed a doctors note. it was not good enough to have a telemedicine known, if he had a physical doctor give you a reason for being out.

that's part of the union contract, which is what southwest tells us. southwest has maintained this entire time that they haven't had any staffing shortages, and if they were prepared for the storm. it's typical to see, because with that area in denver, there is a shortage for them to raise a state of emergency. just talking to pilots and seeing other things from what pilots another cruise are seen, it does appear that they had enough staff. this really seems to be a problem at the eternal system. you have pilots, passengers, customers, everybody trying to call in because their systems require manual recording and things like that. it just can't handle the number of calls, the amount of information coming in. >> just in georgia, transportation reporter for the washington post, thank you so much for your time tonight. joining us now, david slotkin, senior aviation business reporter from -- david, thank you so much for

being with us. you treated that peoples lives are likely to be ruined by southwest mountains down what did you mean by that? >> thank you for having me. it's a tough situation the passengers are going to right now. people are stranded, literally stranded. this is the busiest travel period of the year. there are not a lot of seats available for people. it's hard to get rebooked on another airline. when it comes down to it, a lot of this signals with passengers earlier on the program really have to pay their own way, they are buying their own hotel rooms, paying their own alternate flights. it's not something that everyone can afford. this is christmas, this is their one flight of the year. they don't necessarily have money for a last-minute take it for a family of five, or for a week in a hotel room full southwest gets its operations sorted. what it's getting at is that this is real impact on real people. it's enough to miss christmas, or miss family, be stuck for a few days, but this can really cause a lot of problems for

some people. >> i'm struck by this, the woman missing her dialysis appointment. a lot of people watch this and they wonder what rights travelers in this country have when an airline messes up like this. >> that is the really unfortunate thing. there are not many rights the are entitled to. the number one thing that you do get no matter what is a refund on the flight that is canceled. that doesn't necessarily cover your expenses. the southwest has said that they are voluntarily choosing to consider reimbursing passengers for reasonable expenses. that is hotels, alternate transportation, food potentially, but the thing is that they don't have any obligation to do this. it's going to be on a voluntary basis, and we reached out to southwest today, and they told us that everything would be

considered case by case. what does that mean? if you don't have the ability to afford a situation like that, the risk buying a last minute flight that southwest might or might not be able to reimburse. >> southwest is at the going to lower the amount of flights that they're canceling the next few days. they're going to reset, get back on track. how does that work, i did they get those stranded people to their destinations with fewer flights? >> it's a very hard thing to do, and it will take a few days to do it. the key thing is that southwest put a limit on their imagery, so they're basically not selling flights for at least a few days as they work to cancel flights through friday. they're going to cancel beyond two thirds of the network. the idea is that,. ,. ,. >>,,. , i wonder if you see a long term fix. a seeing regulation, what would

it take to get at the heart of what consumers are up against. >> i think it would be easy to look at the story, and, say okay this happened one, time now, this is a systems problem. a structural problem, and i wonder if you see a potential long term fix, or are we talking about legislation? or regulation? what would it really take to get to the heart of what consumers are really up against? >> they've been very vocal on these rights, but those rights are fairly limited. to do more, you'd have to see some sort of legislation. whether we actually see that or not, it remains to be seen. you would be a very big step, and there are protections like that in europe, but not here. we're going to see what happens, and i think at the very least, we're going to have to see southwest making some changes to their technology, to everything backing the system. in terms of passenger rights, that's a big question.

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candidates, cause the gop the shots of the senate and several state houses. the party is looking to cast the blame for those losses on a key trump ally. republican national committee chair ronny mcdaniels. according to the new york times, mcdaniel could be considered a trump proxy by republicans, eager to begin to eradicate what many considered to be a parties preeminent problem. the former presidents influence over the gop. for republicans looking to move their party passed trump, there's just one problem. all of the candidates that have stepped up to try to replace mcdaniel are even trumpy year than she is. so far, the list of would-be chairs include charlie kirk, turning point usa. the trump loyalist and friend of foxes no -- and of course, he spends all of his time making wild claims about how china stole the election from trump. it's the same problem that we see playing out in the house of representatives, where a longtime trump ally kevin mccarthy is facing revolt from

far-right members of his caucus who think that the parties only mistake is not doing more to embrace trumpism. while the same dynamic is playing out in the race to replace trump himself, the washington post reports that several key republicans are gearing up to challenge donald trump for the 2024 presidential nomination. florida governor ron desantis, who already leads trump in some early head to head polls is reportedly preparing to enact these far-right agendas that include no restrictions, loosening of gun safety laws, and attacks on so-called corporations. the republican party will further and drop -- even as a spotlight on trump himself against frank -- david jolly, he is no longer affiliated with the republican party. he's also an msnbc contributor. i wonder what you make of this entire story, but specifically now as we have this development, what that means four republican house conference?

>> george santos likely is to survive for about two years, and then be voted out by the voters of new york's third congressional district. he now faces a third congestion all district. the only way they could bring him down as if it was related to financial crimes, where it comes, from was a tax fraud, but beyond that, expect kevin mccarthy to lead the effort to have santa seated next tuesday. he wants his vote for speaker of the house, and then house republicans have very little options. unless there is an indictment, they will likely allow him all of the privileges in the house, unless there is some additional scandal that causes him to remove him from committees. >> before we even get to what it means for kevin mccarthy to get to the speakership, because he is counting votes on this kind of margin, you have the new york post proportion of members of the republican initiative. they knew about santos's lies. they were keeping it quiet. no that's not surprising to you,

but i do wonder what it tells you. if you think not reporting it is a problem for him. >> sure, like, how seats are essentially commodities that are traded between the parties and big mixes, and deep pocketed donors. the candidate matters less than actually winning the district for the red or blue column. republicans are happy to have george santas in a caucus where lying is commonplace. on dating apps, you get a lie as much as you want, as kind of except the socially. the only difference is that on dating apps you can go to the person, but in congress, you have him for two years. republicans have george santos now, for two years, and the fact that they overlook what they knew were lies, and went along with ally, not only makes

them culpable but it should be a mark of shame on today's gop caucus. >> i tip my hat to you, sir, for that very tech savvy comparison there. i am struck by the fact that -- >> i don't know which way you swipe to get rid of them, but i know you swipe one way. >> it strikes me that it seems like the republicans have not figured out exactly how they feel about desantis, or how they feel about organizing themselves around him. you have -- defending santos, and attacking tucker carlson's tv show for asking him about his life. it seems to be a cross of the wires. >> taylor greene is an interesting one, because the truth is, in modern politics, you don't need that modern infrastructure if you can create a national constituency. marjorie taylor greene generates more money outside of the kevin mccarthy machine than within it. they've created a national following. the question is, can george santos, who has now been widely considered a fraud and mocked

for his lying, can he create this victimhood constituency of other republicans? that is a tough sell, but you're starting to see him use that language. these democrats are saying that they live more than i do. i don't know if they can pull it off. if they can, they'll have him around for quite some time. >> i want to ask for different component of this disarray, which is what you make up the fight that is happening inside the rnc. >> a lot of crazies are fighting to leave the flock if you will. if you saw the texas state committee unanimously voted no confidence in the sitting chairwoman, romney mcdaniel. there are other crazies to take over. there's very little that the rnc does in terms of actual election hearings. other than the national primary. that's where mcdaniels relationship has been so critical to donald trump. but now mcdaniel at the home, who knows what the predecessor might do in an open primary with desantis and pompeo and others. >> to that point, they're presenting many alternatives.

they all look like they might be running against trump. i wonder what you make of that list of names? >> it's desantis and everybody else. trump is carrying a terrible campaign right now. can trump upped his game out of survival? maybe he will do that. this feels more like the 2000 republican nomination process where george w. bush was coordinated start to finish. desantis has not faced the national stage. very importantly, as we have discussed, on election night, the nation did not choose the type of politics that trump and desantis in the state of florida have otherwise offered. desantis will make the case that he's the better messenger, and that's why he is so strong in florida. the rest of the country has said that we don't want that, and they said that in 18 and 20, and 2022. i'm not sure the desantis hot hand is good enough to carry

him through 2024. >> i don't disagree with your analysis, but my question is that if the rest of the field sees him as the front runner, and they see him as the front runner because he is trying to be even trump year than trump, do they tack on the opposite direction, or do they just try to outrun him? >> here's the inside ball game. you rattle rhonda scientist, he's somebody who has an incredibly fragile ego. easily rattled, easily defensive, loses his temper, boxes people as we saw him do with that college student who is wearing a mask. >> i don't disagree with your analysis, but my question is that if the rest of the field sees him as the front runner, and they see him as the front runner because he is trying to be even trump year than trump, do they tack on the opposite direction, or do they just try to outrun him? >> here's the inside ball game. you rattle rhonda scientist, he's somebody who has an incredibly fragile ego. easily rattled, easily defensive, loses his temper, boxes people as we saw him do with that college student who is wearing a mask. you are not going to out fight rhonda sanchez.

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some of these, errant prophesy's, this idea that god has ordained it to be trump. i'm not sure that january 6th would've happen like it did. >> errant prophesy? so that was outgoing republican congressman adam kinzinger, a member of the january six committee, speaking to the incredible impact that christian nationalism had on january 6th. christian nationalism, the believe that the united states should be run by christensen, christian theology, has become a dangerous --

among conservatives. january 6th rioters preyed on the capitol, holding crosses. and held up flag saying jesus is my savior. trump is my president. they played on the floor of the senate, during the insurrection. but the 485-page january six report, christian nationalism was only cited once. in passive reference to nick fuentes. it did not go into detail about the influence on the attack. by the does not mean that the extremist views did not play a role in the attack. during last night's subcommittee meeting, amanda tyler testified to the role of christian nationalism on generally sixth. >> christian nationalism helped fuel the attack on the u.s. capitol on january 6th. uniting desperate actors, and infusing their political causes with religious fervor. christian nationalism often overlaps with, and provides

cover, for white supremacy and racial subjugation. >> that part right there, this political identity. specifically, white, christian nationalism. only associated with january 6th. it is a growing movement among conservatives. 2024 republican governor ron desantis, we were just talking about, and his message to college students earlier this year. >> put on the full armor of god, stem firm against the left schemes, you will face flaming arrow, spot if you have the shield of faith, you will overcome them. but i can tell you this, i have only begun to fight! >> joining us now, amanda tyler, she is the executive director for the baptist joint committee for religious liberty. thanks for being here, i'm struck, you testified to congress that christian nationalism helped fuel the january 6th attack, tell me more about why you believe this?

>> thanks for coloring this really important top bake, alicia, i think understanding christian nationalism alone does not explain the january 6th attack. but we will not understand what happened on the capitol a january 6th if we do not confront christian nationalism. the symbols of christian nationalism were on full display, not only on january 6th itself, but at numerous rallies leading up to the attack. and in a report that the baptist joint committee produced with the freedom of religion foundation, we put out a comprehensive accounting of all of the ways that christian nationalism worked, to turn what was a political cause into one that is infused with religious fervor and we are to unite this desperate group of attackers in a common cause to attack our democracy through violent means. >> talk to me more about that

point to the point that you made so your testimony, that this is not just christian nationalism, this is white christian nationalism. the time that we see between white supremacy and the idea that america should be governed by religion? >> yeah, so christian nationalism is a political ideology, and a cultural framework that is pervasive and persistent. and it is not new. it really dates back to the country's founding, and relies on this mythology of the formation of the country as a quote, unquote, christian nation. one founded by christian for christians, and one that has a special place, particularly for those who help held power at the country's founding. native, foreign, white christians. this ideology attacks are foundational values of religious freedom for all. it undercuts democracy itself, and for christians like me. it also is a gross distortion of christiane edgy itself. >> the january 6th committee's,

rule is cheney, spokes person. told the washington post last night. and references report. said cheney would not, quote, sign on to any narrative that suggests republicans are inherently racist, or are things that god's america is a white supremacist. i'm not sure what you make of that reasoning, and then if you are surprised that the final 16 or four, it basically fails to mention white christian nationalism? >> i think that comment points to the continuing confusion among many people, including lawmakers, about christian nationalism itself, i think that they fear that confronting christian nationalism might be misconstrued as an attack on christiane it, e or christians. and nothing could be further from the truth, and that is the work that we are trying to draw attention to. at a campaign called christians against christian nationalism. we are trying to draw attention

to what christian nationalism is, and to provide resources, particularly to christians. who i think they're a special responsibility in distinguishing christian nationalism from christiane itself. christian nationalism turns christiane it is gospel of love into a false idol of power. it turns johns gospel teaching us that got so love the world on its head. saying falsely that god has a special plan for the united states or that god loves the united states more than any other country or that god has preordained election results. and so this political ideology is being, is fueling an election denial in many places. it's also feeling continuing attacks on our democracy. so i think it is somewhat predictable and understandable that members of congress are reticent to trade into any kind of, any kind of discourse that we need, construed is a attack

on religion. so i think it's up to the american people, and again a special responsibility on christians. to explain why that is not the case. because if we do not confront christian nationalism, then we are leaving ourselves open to future attacks, like what we saw on january six. >> amanda tyler, executive director of the baptist community for a is -- more to come, stay with us! re to come, stay with us

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