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world headquarters in new york. happy new years eve to all of you. welcome to alex witt reports. breaking news at this hour, we have a new developments in the idaho murders case. more details in the 28-year-old arrested and charged with first degree murder, accused of killing four university of idaho students. bryan christopher kohberger is a criminology graduate student at nearby washington state university. the campus coburg attended is just a nine miles from the house where the victims, madison motion, kayleigh golconda, guess xana kernodle, and ethan chapin worst found stabbed to death on november 13th. on this time there's no word on a motive. those leaving the community of moscow shaking and yearning for more information. law enforcement officials in idaho addressing that frustration just hours after the arrest. >> these murders have shaken our community, and no arrests

will ever bring back these young students, however, we do believe justice will be found through the criminal process. i recognize the frustration with the lack of information that's been released, however, providing any details in this criminal investigation might have tainted at the upcoming criminal prosecution or alerted the suspect of our progress. we will continue to provide as much information as we can as the process moves forward. >> nbc's steve patterson has the very latest for us. dave, welcome, what more can you tell us about this cake and it stands right now. >> some additional details here, alex. one at that there was a vibrant surveillance option after the last three days or so, that means a police felt like they've had their man for some to that hyundai electra, so central to that investigation brought in thousands of tips, was recovered at the suspect's home and three, that dna evidence was unequivocal-y part

of the reason why the suspect is in custody. despite all that all that -- these for now the community, those families, at least feel like they have a shot at justice. take a look. >> for nearly seven long winter weeks, life in the scenic small town of moscow, idaho, felt abandoned. a town of just 26,000 shouted in sorrow following the murders of those four young lives,. >> what we cannot bring back matty, ks, ana and ethan, we can thoughtfully and purposely carry their legacy forward in the work that we do. the family is still steeped in grief but hopeful for justice. karen northington the mother of victim, xana kernodle, telling nbc news, it's been a nightmare, this whole thing has been a nightmare, literally. but i feel like a huge weight has a lifted off my shoulders. but it's been a long road. >> if everybody was like ethan chapin in this world. it would be a better place. >> as the weeks check, by with

little new information in a place that hasn't had a previous homicide and seven years, criticism against local law enforcement swelled. moscow police chief james fry promising the trail wasn't cold, pledging to bring justice visibly impacted. >> i'm a dad, with daughters. and it's tough. their thanksgiving through christmas the victims family's desperate for. answers >> it's sleepless nights, it's feeling sick to your stomach. it crying. >> campus became a ghost town. to know that they have lost their lives leaves me with a very humbling -- >> a somber graduation ceremony where kayla comes all this should have walked. kayleigh's family, talking us that the relieve the authority have someone in custody. and that now the journey through the criminal justice system begins. >> so, co-berger is now facing an extradition hearing on to. that he can either fight it, or

waited. if he fights, it could mean this lack of information remains for at this the next few days or weeks because the affidavit, the criminal affidavit will remain sealed in till he is back into the county where the crimes were committed. so, still a long road to justice but at least it's on the horizon. >> yeah, that's for sure, though i have to say listening to your report. it just gave me the chills, anyway, thank you over the updates. steve patterson. joining me now is kevin fix, they're a vegetative reporter for the idaho statement. all right, kevin, for those of you that have been covering the story, first of all, did the ceresco as a big surprise as it did in the news media. had you heard about this suspect before friday? >> and, where yes. this was a bit of a surprise. police did issue a press release that they would be having a press conference, and that happened on friday morning. by that time a tv station in philadelphia had broken the news and the pennsylvania state police ultimately, before that

conference did announce the arrest of a suspect they named brian coburg are and they directed any additional questions to moscow police ahead of that press conference but ahead of that press conference, moscow police would actually not confirm the suspect. >> it's been extraordinarily moscow police and other entities have taken a lot of heat from people saying, what's going on, what's going on. there are persisting trying to find out information. but it would appear that her tactic was fruitful, successful, and they got it done. i mean do you get a sense that they are taking, not a victory lap, but saying, we did it this the right way, and we did it our way. >> yes. moscow police chief, james, fright was asked that very question he said yesterday that he defends the investigation and results on but they are the that the got the frustration from public in the media that there was a lot of information that came. out but he does believe that they stayed the course and also

that they have their person. so. >> some reports have it that they tracked the suspect for 2000 miles from moscow idaho, before his arrest in pennsylvania. can you confirm, that is that the case, what does that tell us about the investigation? . i actually cannot confirm that information. >> i have read that information as well. i can reference the reports for you, just as you are, but the story is that for three or four days they were aware of who they were tracking. there was potential dna evidence that they had linked to the suspect. that they were surveilling him at his parents home where he was staying over the christmas holiday, but, again that's not information i can independently verify at this time. >> well, we thank you though for putting it out there. surely it will be better verified if it's positive so. there you are -- who is bryan kohberger that what have you learned that might explain any of this? >> still outstanding are two

key elements. that is a motive. we still don't have a lot of information about that and we'll have to wait until that affidavit is available once kohberger and back in idaho, one way or another for hearings. we also know that we still don't have a weapon. those were two elements that police chief right mentioned yesterday at the press conference. but we do know that he lived in pullman, washington. that is about nine miles away from moscow. the really to sister cities between washington state university and right across the state line, the university of idaho. >> he was a criminology and criminal justice ph.d. student. the universe acknowledge that he had just completed his first matter and he was a instructor along with one of the professors within that department. as ita for 300 graduate courses. beyond that we don't have a lot of information. he apparently lived and on on campus housing and police served warrants and search that

home we've heard. apparently he was the owner of a white hyundai elanco that they have recovered. . there was a level of cross pond nation between these two schools. right? students could potentially take a class on the other university campus and vice versa. so then here's a question, to the point you make that he was a t.a. for three undergraduate courses, all four that were killed were undergraduates. do we know whether he knew these victims at all? is there anything that indicates it may have crossed paths with any of them in a course selection of anywhere along the lines. i mean the motive has to be brought, up but of course we're far from getting that answer. >> i can't speak to whether or not any of the victims attended maybe a course or so across the state line. i can tell you from their majors that i don't think they would have been interested, per se, in either criminal justice or criminology. but again, the thing is, coburg

or had only been in employment for maybe 6 to 8 months. he had just completed his first semester after getting a masters degree at the sales university, north of philadelphia, so it would be speculation to say that maybe they've crossed piles between the university a member of one of the sororities at the university of idaho used to live in the neighborhood, they told me that none of her friends were familiar with this individual. they're kind of confused as to what the connection might be. yet again, we don't have the information from the affidavit which the lead prosecutors said there will be more coming but it does require that -- we do have to wait until kohberger ends up in the state. >> i know you will be on it though, kevin fox. and when you get some information for and see me again, because this is a head-scratcher, and a heartbreaker. thank you so much. let's go to breaking news right now, after retired pope benedict the 16th died overnight at the vatican. he was 95.

president joe biden releasing a statement just in this last hour riding a, quote jill and i join catholics around the world and so many others in mourning the passing of pope emeritus benedict the 16th. i had the privilege of spending time with pope benedict at the vatican in 2011 i will always remember his generosity and welcome as well as our meaningful conversation. let's bring in nbc's molly hunter who's joining us from the vatican. so, molly, how will pope emerita benedict be honored and remembered in this coming week? >> he has a very significant, and a very complicated legacy. i don't want to bring your audience up to date. since we spoke last hour we have heard and seen pope francis -- final prayer service of 2022. it was the vesper's, the beautiful hymns that were echoing out of st. peter's basilica, but he did take a moment to honor his predecessor. he said, with a motion we

remember his character, so novel, so kind and we feel so much gratitude in our hearts. gratitude to god for having given him to the church and to the world. these are two men, alex, with very different world views, with very different views of the church. now i was speaking with a vatican correspondent earlier today about what a moment the church, the world, really the faithful find themselves and going from two living puts to one, of course we will see later this week a current pileup residing over the funeral of a predecessor, something that has not happened in more than 600 years. take a look to what chris had to say i will talk to you on the back. and >> i think it was why they understood the pope francis would not considered retirement until his predecessor, but benedict the 16th had died. now that that has happened. you know, it's an open gas to what happened. whether or not pope francis wants to continue in his predecessors footsteps and one day step down or if he will die in office, we don't know but i think it's widely shared relief that it is now a possibility

that pope francis could continue in that same path. >> alex, at this center of this conversation right now, of course, one of the biggest pieces of the pope emeritus's legacy is the fact that he did step away in 2013. he did step away from a lifetime job. as you heard chris just talk about, there there are some who in the catholic church think this is the moment to institutionalizing, normalizing the -- where this person would, love what this person would, where how involved this person might be and religious life going forward and whether he is paving the way for francis or for future pups, we are not sure, but certainly at the center of the confrontation and of his legacy this week, will be paying close here, jim alec. >> definitely, thank you so much for all, molly hunter. we have so many more stories to talk about including a potential unexpected outcome after the long find to get donald trump's taxes released. and it's past midnight somewhere, bangkok thailand, to be exact. and a lot of other places, we're going to show you the

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2022, with his family in the virgin islands. but when he returns to washington in the new year, he faces a long list of key agenda items, many of which will have to go through the new republican-led house. there's still the question and whether the president will announce his bid for reelection. nbc's mike memoli is with president biden instant car i'm just told it's 82 and sunny. i've been giving you a hard time all week, frankly, on the air because you have the most beautiful backdrop of. but let's get to the serious stuff in terms of asking about if we know what the presidents intentions are yet. -- >> alex, i get it, and you're

like me. your political junkie. we tend to focus on the even numbered years. we're ready to turn the calendar from 2022, right to 2024. when i talk to white house officials they really stress what they have a whole agenda for -- >> they're also gonna see this country touting more jobs announcements for the sites are. talking about the new inflation reduction act provisions like clean energy, tax credits. that's against this is the focus. implementation rather than legislation, of course, with that republican house they do expect, or at least there's some indication that they want to try to see what they can do on immigration, of course with title 42 on the supreme court case not looming in the summer months. as it relates to 2024, it was interesting, president biden last night spoke briefly with reporters, asking whether he's spending this time here talking

to this family, making a decision about 2024 and his browns was, i was there an election coming up. so i think that speaks to his frame of mind right now. there's a lot of talk about whether their family would be having an intense discussion of his political future. i'm told that really, as far as the family's concern, they're fully supportive of him seeking reelection. i think some of the pressure for him to make a quick decision, a quick announcement, was taken off by the fact that the democrats did better in the midterm auctions and a lot of folks from expected. that being back -- an announcement sometime after the new year just how quickly, i think it still matter for discussion. the president making it clear that this time here on the virgin islands was a little bit of r and r after very busy with a busier coming up in 2023. >> okay, well he deserves it, that's for sure. given the pack that the republicans will be leaving the house from this point going forward, you might have to get his boxing gloves on. all right, mark mentally, thank you so much, enjoy. >> donald trump's tax returns

are not in the public. ron the house ways and means committee putting out redacted versions of six years of trump's personal tax returns, as well as some other terms of his businesses. the panel obtain the documents in eight years along legal beto that went all the way to the supreme court. joining me now is nevada congressman, is to get a horse -- >> to members to trump's tax returns. >> oh happy new year it's good to be back. i'm here in las vegas, it may not be st. croix, but we've got some beautiful weather here as well. watch the conclusions that came out of the review from the ways and means committee is that they aires failed to do its job of conducting mandatory audits on the former president of the united states.

what's more great just though is that the irs audits five times more single mothers with children that received an earned income tax credit, and failed to do their job of auditing the former president. but to me speaks to the issue over the lack of tax fairness and equity and is one of the issues that we will continue to adjust going forward and why it was so important that the ways and means committee, under the leadership of term and media -- disinformation so that we have the evidence to support the policy changes that will need to go forward. >> give me a sense, beyond policy changes that you want to do in congress. what is it that you hope americans learn from these tax returns of donald trump. what you want blue takeaway to be? >> to be clear, alex, it was never about one person. it was definitely not about partisanship.

it's about the fact that the irs, and paying taxes, is one of the fundamental things that we, a citizens, are responsible for doing. and, no one is above that responsibility, especially the president of the united states. which became clear, and evident in this process, not only to the irs failed to do its job but now it appears that the former president also evaded paying his share of taxes. this is the underlying issue but i really want to focus on, because why is it fair for a nurse in my district, or a teacher to pay their share, in order to fund health care or education, or job training programs that we all need. but wealthy people, big corporations don't pay their share? that is what this evidence shows and why it was so important that the irs do its

job in conducting a mandatory audit of the president. and again, they spent time auditing single parents with children who get and earned income tax credit. but they didn't have the time to audit the former president of the united states? that is unacceptable. it's a grudges and it's why the ways and means committee, under the democratic leadership of our chairman moved forward with this election. >> look, i appreciate that you said the top of the sensor that this was not a partisan effort. at least it wasn't intended to be so that's not what we're hearing from the republicans are. now texas congressman kevin brady of course as you know the top republican on the house was gone means in a statement has written quote, this is a regrettable stain on the ways and means committee and congress, and i'll make american even more divisive and disheartening. in the long run, democrats will come to regret it. how are you interpreting that? it has an ominous tone, shall we say. are you concerned about political payback when republicans take control? >> i respect --

he's retiring. it is a member of the committee who i have -- protecting the american people who in this case, could audited more if you receive earned income tax credit who pay their share of taxes but big and a big corporations. don't maybe is confident interest in protecting their special interests -- it's about the american people about politics. we've got a lot of work ahead and a 118th congress i'm looking for to -- a meeting the needs of american people like --

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deputy chief of staff tony ornato testified that she did not recall an alleged heated exchange between donald trump and circuit service agent robert engel, and the motorcade on gender sex. former white house communications director alyssa -- testified that she heard trump's plan to replace for mercy rose cash photo whose for -- pledged to resign if that happened. griffiths said allegedly for 14 minutes cash was actually the cia director. as the company wraps of its worked, members of -- sars any prosecution citizens are not in the hands of the doj. >> i will be satisfied if the department of justice approaches this with courage and -- they've got to reach a decision, not me. we spent so much time on this, i thought we made the case we've provided a huge amount of

evidence and there's more to come. i think it's pretty clear what happened here but they need to make their decision. joining me now, charles comment, former brooklyn prosecutor and a miss and we didn't list, -- both of whom i appreciate, lockhart renew to both. hugo, you study the 16 committee released testimony and this testimony came from a secret service agent tony ornato. what stands out in the documents to you? >> look i think the chants gives a really interesting because they reveal not his time for me about how he was resisting china committee absolutely anything even if it had cooperating witnesses placing him at certain -- turning an auto route didn't recall any conversations about

trump owning the -- removed when multiple people have not testified that there was such an instruction from trump. also the fact that he didn't remember a possible presidential movement to the carpet on january six -- even the organizers were talking about this. when you get to that level of -- money this is one guy who's really trying to obstruct the investigation and whether or not there's actually any sanctions to make him rejected. marie >> that's an interesting point you bring up you, but what about you charles, because the testimony of a trend of significant memory lapses. you've got party or not you got donald trump. junior does this raise red flags for you -- but the committee did not that could, i guess to hugo's point regeneron help recover some of this muscling information.

>> well, all of speaking as a former prosecutor or continue it's not so much as investigative powers as it is investigative tools. i think that the techniques that the doj and fbi are going to use of the combination are going to yield very different results of the january six committee got. i don't think many of the witnesses that we're talking about with respect to this new document dump or actually respected the authority of the committee. need to be completely forthcoming and telling truth. sitting from the doj any affair as well the information that their gallery is part of the ex-through the geisha may likely illicit for the results are different outcomes from members of the committee and i do think that for people who -- do we may see them seeing a different tune in the long run. at the end of the day we will know that these people are likely being dishonest. they are giving as much information as they can avoid not giving if you will. when you're talking about a federal investigation, the

tools that the fbi is going to use in terms of interviewer additional people around these witnesses to try to cooperate or serve food what it is that they're saying is likely going to put them in a different position, so it doesn't ride huge red flags for me. i don't think it's an impediment to the doj investigation, and i fully expect them to -- . hem this was interesting because was a major development when the supreme court justice, clarence thomas, testify to the committee. what have you learned of the transcript of ginni thomas transcript yesterday? >> yes, the one thing that stood out to me with ginni thomas was when she mentioned to investigators that she was feeling down about the election and so she had had a conversation with her husband and justice clarence thomas and made her feel better about the circumstances of trump's feeble timeline leading up to january

six and a curious point and she did not report any details of the conversation. again, while the suspects said, this is such a moment that you bring up to a committee and something you can't remember the actual details of the conversation of? i think it is important to note that it does not seem like, i mean, there is not any evidence to suggest that ginni thomas was actually involved in organizing january six rallies, people to storm the capital, and i think it is an important point because if she is an activist, a republican activists, and the chancellor of the committee told me months ago that, you know, there was a next step that she would be engaging in, that was her day job in terms of texting mark meadows. but, i think it is also important to note that there does not seem to be any evidence that suggests that she was organizing the actual salt on the capitol. i think, nonetheless, it is important that she is talking to clarence thomas about reelection. >> mark meadows revealed and testimony from the store witnessed what the former aide

to mark meadows, testy hutchinson, had burned documents in the oval office fireplace when he was white house chief of staff. how would that be viewed by doj investigators? >> i think it is going to be viewed quite seriously and i fully expect that in terms of someone who we have heard a lot about or not heard a lot from, mark meadows is going to be a very important part of what the doj looks at in terms of its own investigation. and, this testimony that we have heard from this document, again, we'll put mark meadows directly in the crosshairs for the doj asking questions and trying to find out exactly what was in those documents, and exactly why they were in any shape or form related to any protocol on the ground, destroying documents or getting rid of documents. and so, mark meadows is likely going to drive and attract a number of different inquiries from the doj around that alone, if not, every thing else we heard around the investigation of january 6th will come from

the committee. i fully expect it is going to be vetted by the doj and the fbi. >> is there any conventional was dumb, charles, or any concrete action for the doj? >> it is difficult to say. people have asked me this, a lot. i think, ultimately, we are likely to see something in the first quarter of 23. i, mean i think that gives us about 90 days at that point. jack smith will have been on the case for more or less of six months, at that time. at march, i think it is a safe but in terms of way we may be able to get some idea of where the doj is leaning. we could see a typed up before the. maybe, or maybe not. i would give until the first quarter of 23 to be safe. >> we will do that as well. charles coleman, hugo, thank you so much, happy new year to both. we appreciate you. some clips you might not have already seen as the country remembers the portrayal and trail blazing career of barbara walters. rbar walters.

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million immigrants in the u.s. were facing deportation proceedings in fiscal year 2022. that is a 29% jump from the same period the year before. officers also arrested more than 142,000 migrants last fiscal year. nearly double the year before. this comes as the supreme court 's ruling on title 42 has left many migrants in limbo, including in el paso where hundreds are living on the streets longer than expected. joining me now, francesca, dean at university of arkansas clinton school. she's also an msnbc contributor and analyst. and castro, former secretary of housing and urban development. now msnbc political analyst and friend. both of you to the show, welcome. thanks for joining us on the holiday weekend. victoria, you are from arizona, you worked in texas for a long time as well. you know this issue very well. you'd be your understanding of the conditions on the ground today and how are ngos responding to this crisis.

>> alex, i was born and raised on the arizona state on board. i do this my whole life. life on the border is very special, it's always a little rough. you have the border enforcement over the last couple of decades continuing to ramp up. but truly, what we are seeing now is something i've never seen in my life. it is truly that a crisis point. it is a humanitarian crisis. and regrettably, when you have a crisis of this magnitude. you would think that the full weight of the government infrastructure, of that united states and also of mexico and other countries, would come in to help alleviate this crisis. but the truth of the matter is that we are at a standstill. we don't see any real movement by the part of our official entities, as a result, we see ngos and people who want to help being the ones who are helping these folks survive,

and trying to mitigate this crisis. the role of ngos is huge. even though it should be because there should be an infrastructure in place to do this much. >> let's move on to that right now. the number of border crossings broke records this year. more than 2.7 million counters. the new york times reports, title 42 has not kept out the majority of migrants. so why has the biden administration not been able to put in a more effective process in place. was there any kind of a breakdown that led to these record numbers? >> yeah alex, one caveat there. title 42 has actually made those numbers worse because what it is don's, it is frustrated folks who have been set back. they are now crossing multiple times. those numbers, that absolute number of border crossings as a result of 2042 has gone up. it is a little bit misleading. but, you are also correct that the previous administration, the trump administration put

title 42 in place. really it was a bogus policy to begin with. there was never any real public health justification for it. finally, a court found that. justice gorsuch as well referred to that in his opinion the other day. the biden administration also dragged a speed at the beginning of the administration until the spring, trying to get rid of title 42. since that time, it has done a lot to try to put more infrastructure in place to be able to handle the influx of people. title 42 has basically created a bottleneck of folks now who have been waiting and waiting, getting more frustrated, subjected to danger on the mexican side of the border. so of course, you are going to see that inflow of people by some estimates, between ten and 14,000 people a day. as soon as title 42 was lifted. what we need to do now is, what the administration has been working on is making sure that the resources are there for

border patrol and of their entities. also, catholic charities, as the dean mentioned, other ngos to be able to handle in a compassionate and humane way folks that are coming to seek asylum in the united states. my final point here is that these are illegal -- most of them into the united states. they are seeking asylum here. that is not against the law. that is fully within the right. >> in terms of numbers. you are indicating that some have been duplicate numbers in terms of our some summary that we were doing earlier. the texas governor has put out his own numbers, saying that he sent more than 16,000 migrants to what he calls sanctuary city, washington, new york, chicago, philadelphia. and others. does this help ease the burden on border communities? >> yes, but there is a big but to this, alex.

this should be done in a coordinated and not a spiteful way. what we are seeing republican governors do is, first of all not think about the humanity of these individuals who are coming over. they're used as political pawns. just dump them in so-called blue states, for sanctuary cities. dealing with immigration, it is not just a border state issue. i will be the first to say that. there should be a coordinated upfront effort, not one that is done. yes, our border areas are always the most important. they need relief, especially as a result of the scandal at the federal level. but there is a right way to do that. governor abbott got on the phone, talk to governors in other states, figuring out a adjustment. >> your thoughts on these actions by governor greg abbott? you see him sitting --

to a freezing washington d.c., outside the home of the vice president. you see migrants getting off of buses, wearing t-shirts, wrapped in little, tiny thin blankets. what goes through your mind? >> it is cruel. it is hard to believe that somebody is going to be that mean to people, especially on christmas eve, especially with children. he is in a position of responsibility. i think dean was exactly right. there's a right way to do things at a wrong way to do things. yes, these border communities, they need relief, they need more resources to be able to handle the influx of people. it is a good idea to ensure that not only those communities shelter the burden of dealing with this influx, but there is also a right way to do it. that means coordinating with governmental entities and other pieces, ngos to handle people with care and compassion when they come to that area. that is exactly the opposite of

what he is doing. he's basically doing people with the promise of a better life. you can't do things like that, that is not -- there's no place in the united states of america, it's not who we should be. >> that's a conversation that will be ongoing throughout 2023. victoria, william castro, thank you both. that is gonna do it for me on this edition. i'll be off tomorrow, but i wish all of you a happy new year. i will see you again tuesday at 2 pm eastern. up next, cory coffin continues on coverage. tern up next, cory coffin continues on coverage. on coverage. ] for fast sore throat relief, try vicks vapocool drops with two times more menthol per drop*, and the powerful rush of vicks vapors for fast-acting relief you can feel. vicks vapocool drops. fast relief you can feel.

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