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missile headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports, i'm -- begin with breaking news this hour. multiple sources tell nbc news the authorities are investigating a machete wielding suspect traveled to new york city to target an rv officers. they say the 19-year-old suspect attempted to strike an officer in the head with this machete. before striking to other officers with the weapon. this happened just after 10:00 last night outside of the security screening stone for times square. not far from the new year's eve estimate. these only sees -- joins us now from times square with the latest. how are those officers doing today? >> cory, right now we don't

have an update on their condition but we are told by officials that they are expected to survive. keep in mind this all happen hours before they iconic ball drop in times square. this is the first time since covid covid restrictions. the streets of new york city especially here in times square where pack. tens of thousands of people surrounded the area. authorities were able to move quickly and secure the area, the training hickton right away. tequila sun. >> i want to be clear the fbi through the joint chair of tax force is working closely with him to determine the nature of this attack. and we will need to ground. i want to be clear, as you are the mayor and the commissioners say earlier, there is no ongoing threat. we believe this was a soul individual at this time. there is nothing to indicate otherwise. >> and several law enforcement

sources are telling nbc news that the suspect has been identified as 19 year old trevor big heard of wells, maine. and we just learned that the fbi's searching his home at this hour. officials were also saying that he doesn't have a criminal history. but he was known to law enforcement because of social media postings and they are looking into previous postings, possibly jihadist writings online that he posted before he came here to new york city, possibly targeting officers on new year's eve. cory. >> kathy park, following that working news 4's other times square. cathy, thank you. we have more breaking news to bring you. the defense attorney of the suspect arrested in connection with the murders of four university of idaho students, saying if you can be extradited to idaho as early as next week. he was to 20 errol brian cobra and pennsylvania. he now basis charges of four counts of first degree murder, and felony burglary. this is all in connection to the brutal stabbing out for

students in their off campus -- in moscow, idaho, several weeks. ago steve patterson is following the latest on this investigation for us. steve, what we learned from the suspect's attorneys? >> yeah, corey. details in this case all stomach of tween coworker and his defender, public defender that maybe lasted all of an hour. maybe less than that. still, we're learning a whole lot more about the mind state of coburg heading into facing the judicial process. chief among them is the new information that he will be waving an extradition hearing. expected on tuesday. he will not fight which essentially means he should be more swiftly facing a judicial system in idaho. facing that justice. which means that a sealed affidavit for probable clause will be unsealed. the details of which will be sure to the public. we shall learn a whole lot more about his case. the attorney is not chime in speaking to us about what the conversation was with his client.

he said that his client coburg was eager to be exonerated. and he was aware of the details of the case before all of this, but he has been called and shocked by his arrest. our colleague any griffin spoke to this defense attorney. asking a little bit more. and he was not shy, again, about sharing those details. listen to what he said. >> he was aware of the ongoing investigation of the death of the four individuals. but he denied, and guess who could so he implicitly denied, any involvement. >> did he killed these four students? >> i would say at this point know. but he did not specifically say. that you want to ask that question. >> there was also a discussion with the police chief of police in moscow. there were several questions to. one, why was he mute during all this investigation. one of the chief witnesses, this whole time, let's entire seven weeks, that they were very very slow to release any

details but may shed more light on the truth. notified the publicly fbi and state officials went off a little bit earlier. also, what if anything led to its capture? what evidence they have into the suspect have? all is being said right now is that dna evidence has placed a key role from minute one in this case. and that geological evidence related to that dna evidence may apply to further role. we didn't have the exact details of course below this may come out as the affidavit is released and we get more details from that. for now i suspect is in custody and he says he's excited for exoneration. that is a court. >> i find interesting that the chief of police still ask for any tips from the public regarding ryan cobra. ethan anything about him, for any possible details about this motive. i found the very interesting as. we'll do patterson reported for a space on this investigation.

next to you. now to the other top story developing this. our the new year means a new converse as the 118th congress is set to be sworn in on tuesday. capitol hill is bracing for a big fight over who will become speaker in the new republican-led house. with two days to, go republican kevin mccarthy is struggling to secure the voting needs to become the next speaker. now, if the group of hard right into republican lawmakers hold firm, it could be the first time in 100 years that the u.s. house of representatives made more than one round of voting to elect the speaker. meanwhile, head of being sworn into congress, the fall is growing this weekend. for republican george santos, after being caught in a web of lies about his agency and work history. then your congressman elect told the city and state that he apologizes for affinity feels hurt or betrayed. and admitted to embellishing his resume. other, today lawmakers on both sides of the i l gave the reaction on how the house should handle this. >> i think this is troubling in so many ways.

certainly she was live repeatedly. within the, day though, this is a decision which needs to be made between he and the voters who elected him. he certainly could be resigning. >> a certain number that drop in the world you can get. fight we don't have an option in congress. >> the swearing in of a new congress also marks the dissolving of the january six committee. i think, today committee members vote republican congressman adam kinzinger reflecting optimism for his path and the future of the country. >> democracies are not defined by bad. days we are defined by how we come out of those bad days. in the, long-term i am optimistic. i have to, say this is not a moment to rest. this is a moment when you have to understand. have accountable alliances to defend democracy, but we can do this. >> chief justice john roberts

using his and reports on the reports, to highlight the need for increased security for federal judges after a surge in threats in the past year. roberts, wrote quote, a judiciary system cannot and should not live in fear. however, the chief justices report did not include an update on the drought opinion on. abortion or marching calls for more rigorous ethics rules for the justices. president biden is ramping up whose vacation in the region oiler. he will face a list of agenda items now resisting the republican-led house. -- it's with a president saying to. roy one assignment you. have what should the president prioritizing the new year? what does he have the best chances of getting done? >> i heard you talking earlier about how you believe you start your, nears with the indication of others is going to. go and i think the white house is a real signal about how this

year is going to go for president biden, they announced the first official event that will hold this. year is really interesting. they're gonna be traveling to kentucky on wednesday, the day after that newer publican led house was led into office. it will be talking about her new major project being funded. islanders interested and where he's going and what he's funding. matthew is going. with this senate minority leader mitch mcconnell of kentucky will be joining him, there. what does this tell us about what his goals for this year? . one, with a republican house it is unlikely to cooperate with him on policy, they're more focused on implementing the legislative wins that the president has already racked up from the democratically led congress. the chips in science act, the inflation reduction act. you are going to see the president and other administration officials traveling across the country to really talk about how this is boosting the economy unimportant point. but it also sends a message that the white house is really interested in using the opposition led house as a political foil. the white is going to try to

talk about bipartisanship. appear with republican senators like mcconnell, governors like ohio's mike dewine, he will also be joining the president. it's really so that the president is above the political fray, it is timely markets are sick and tired of politics. it also says the president does want to try to see what he can. do because he has had a long list of bipartisan bills that he was able to work on in the past year. so they're going to try to move forward, you know things like immigration which is a very politically divisive it. you know trying to put four the solution rather than talking about the problems at the border. he still has democrats running the u.s. senate, a lot more charges this year. it's gonna be focused as well in that area of the president has much more -- direct on his foreign policy. continue focus on supporting ukraine in their ongoing fight against russia. and trying to build another areas. strengthen american alliances in important moments. as he is often frame the

century about being autocracies versus democracies. a busy year shaping up, want to mention, of course, a looming decision about whether to run in 2024 and his own political future. >> most absolute. with a split congress, an uphill battle. but he is beginning the year of. having that moment is positive for them. -- with the wind in the air and the beach on his back. mike and -- , things are. that more calls for george santos to step down. let's bring in correspondent for new york, emily neon. thanks for being with us. today happy new year. the center of these federal and state investigations, what details with these pros. what is investigations serve, considering that they likely will prevent him or taking office? >> cory, happy new year to. you we have no indication from congress and george santos that he plans on doing anything other than being sworn in on

tuesday. tuesday certainly will be a chaotic scene on capitol hill. as you prepare to take part in the 118th congress, he is facing review by prosecutors as the county state and federal levels. we have prosecutors with nasa and the new york state attorney general's office. with the eastern district of new york all looking into his case. nothing is rising to the level of an investigation, but those reviews are learning scrutiny of his finances. how he amassed wealth so suddenly. nothing to prevent taking office in the next couple days. colleagues on both sides of the aisles also for the house ethics committees, their workers to newark suits including the congressman elect calling for -- potential campaign finance fraud as well. glory. >> seems this has become not

just a moral issue with an actual legal issue. you can see it is just naturally iceberg. we've been following very closely since that report from the new york times kennard. we should emphasize that san jose has said he's made mistakes, and admitted to embellishing his resume. nbc's computer rejected two starters for commented has not received any response. has said was given any indication that he may actually resign before congress next year? >> i should know the new york one has reached out to him last year. -- has been buying large too friendly outfits. and he has apologized that has been a condition of traditional -- what he calls the lies and embellishments of his resume. it was just a little bit of fluffing his resume. he tried to flip the script and ask reporters to scrutinize president biden and democrats in turn. so democrats in congress noting the he's not as contrite as we should be, even after this new

york times investigation launched a series of infuse into his records. lies that have been emerged including him claiming that he is by racial. including his saying that his mother died on that day. certainly a lot to work with in terms of any record tonight and. interviews conducted over the months and years. a lot to work with as he takes his seat, that could be further uncovering lies. >> not as contrite is definitely putting it lightly. even during that appearance on fox, earlier this week, former congresswoman tulsi gabbard did not -- what questioning santos about his embellishment. ultimately those are what helped him win the election. listen here to what he said. >> we can debate my resume and how i work with firms such as -- >> is -- it or just false? >> if i was one in those new

york's third district right now. i am finding it all of these lies were told. not just one little lie or embellishment, but blatant lies. my question is you have no shame? you have no shame in the people who are now asking you to trust and be their voice for them and their families and their kids in washington? >> how are the people of new york reacting to all of this? especially in his future district that will ultimately trying to be representing these voters. >> that was certainly not the interview i think the george santos expected on fox news. when it comes to parts of queens they're going to underrepresenting congress, there's certainly been a lot of disappointment from his constituents. dozens if not hundreds of people gathering in front of the county courthouse to denounce him including the claims that he has made that he is of jewish heritage. he is not really backed away from that as much as --

those of jewish heritage is families did parish or escape the holocaust, claiming that he should have. but when it comes also to local republican leadership a lot of people are keeping their distance, including nasa county gop chairman -- who says it whatever happens in this term to, san jose this party is not going to support him in 2024. it does seem like an expectation that he could finish up his term, regardless of what investigations might be underway. but certainly that you have a chance to do a congressman's future after that. >> earlier today, richie torres called republican leadership were not doing anything else far, for those being credible for the action. he's in a very unique position because we know that can mccarthy is not facing a very big bid for hundreds. and -- as for the. for how much is this controversy around st. louis impacted the campaign? >> at the very, least it has been a distraction for mccarthy. we have not heard any word from a republican house leadership, on the santos case.

there has been a republican in new york state spoken out, including sentences colleagues who help with that red wave on long island. nick mode and mike mueller or a little bit further upstate. despacito as well, saying they should not cooperate honey probes. it's probes in the first place. nothing given, mccarthy as you noted, who is counting on santa's's support in the speakership race. and that vote so take place before any legislation began on capitol hill. for santos can even take office. >> new york city has a strong hand right. now santos, that. is it does not mean those four congress will not comfortably got some. points and really know for us this afternoon, emily, thanks for being. in wow, sometimes it is what you don't say that speaks volumes. could that be the case with the supreme court? i will get robots take on this report, next. , next >> tech: when you have auto glass damage, trust safelite. this dad and daughter were driving when they got a crack in their windshield. [smash] >> dad: it's okay. pull over.

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khamenei is out with a new witness transcripts where the penalties on tuesday. the swearing in of the next congress will mark the end of the investigation, just days before the two university of the capitol attack on friday. the 41 interview transcripts come from most of the most high-profile figures from the former president, including rudy giuliani, deputy chief of staff tony ornato, and his son-in-law eric kushner. in an exit interview this morning, outgoing congressman adam kinzinger is one of the two republicans on the committee saying their investigation provided enough evidence in the doj to prosecute donald trump. >> if this is not a crime, i don't know what. is if the president can insight and insurrection and not be held accountable, there is no limit to the president can or can't do. so i do think ultimately when

we get to where we are going to go, and justice role do the right thing. i think you will be charged. i think you should be. >> republican governor asa hutchinson he was considering his own 2024 presidential run said this morning that donald trump's actions should keep him from the white house. >> i don't believe that donald trump should be the next president of the united states. i think he has had his opportunity there. i think january six religious qualifies him for the future. >> joining me, now msnbc legal analyst lee so we're. bentley, so welcome. and thank you for being with us today. when we get to the latest on the new year's -- and a happy new year to. here we have so much to dive right into. like us on this witness transcripts. the committee released 41 interviews. you've been digging into something. does anything stand out here there could also alter understanding what happened on january six? >> there is a number of things

that could alter our understanding of what happened on january six. i should say, when you see americans watching i've been educationally handled 41 of. them here are couple things that stand out to me. one thing that could alter our understanding of something that we don't see. that is unexplained white space and some of these transcripts. anybody who has gone through the transcripts has seen that one members of the staff, for example, are doing some of the questioning or talking about something that could implicate a witness as medical privacy, you can see block boxes that exit words in the transcript. but several of the transcripts also have breaks. weather is just unexplained white spaces that go on for a page and a half or more. it is not, explained for, example by taking a break from the witnesses comfort or asking to go off the record. these are breaks that seen a little bit funky and inexplicable. the question is why. and the committee, at least, shaken from the what we are seeing these unexplained places

are redactions, for taking at texas as opposed to just blank space, because a corporate or is changing over. they might not be able to tell us why. but one possibility is that those white spaces reflect testimony that there is -- on the departments investigation, and before being released the, public spaces were put there so the doj's ongoing investigation would not be compromised. the other thing that stands out to me is the unique heroism of several other members of the white house. we've known for a long time that cassidy hutchinson deserves our gratitude. we not fully understood or appreciated is the role of others and telling the truth about what happened on january 6th. and in the days preceding within the white house itself. people in that category include stephanie grisham, diversity is chief of staff. u.s. press secretary. and most importantly all, alyssa farah griffin, who was a

white house communication director, but prior to that had a long history as a spokesperson in the conservative movement. for mark meadows, jim jordan, it is because of illicit girlfriend that both sarah matthews, that with the press secretary. and cassidy hutchinson. gave the testimony that they gave to the committee. i think our role has been underappreciated until the revelation of these transcripts. >> i am glad you mentioned some of these women. because this next topic here is interesting. it was notable hell little some of the witnesses like john junior in tony ornato could recall about interactions that we had surrounding january six. i believe it was other -- marcus now transcend who testified to the committee that trump lawyers had actually advised that in order to not perjure themselves nelson convoy any information that could be damning to the trump circle. to say that they do not recall and do not remember.

these memory late boxes here seem to be a theme running within the trump circle, you have the speed our strategy. do you think that the doj will have tools that the select committee did not try to pull some of this missing information out? >> absolutely. if somebody called in from the ground during an ask a question but something that they do recall, they can always take the fifth. but the other problem here is that that's the time to the committee conducted some of these interviews, they did not get a full panoply of evidence before. them they were number, witnesses for example, who are just to the committees call all resisted the committee subpoenas to produce evidence. one tool that the department of justice will have that the committee did not using force ability of their subpoenas for documents. and they can show witnesses documents that may not have been available to the committee and ask them for the recollections. the other thing is that one is a crime to lie to congress, and

some of these witnesses were reminded us much when they testified, mine before a grand jury is also a federal crime. and they will know that going in. they will certainly have the option of invoking the fifth. but they may have a lot more tools to refresh their recollection, so to speak. and testifying for grand jury under doj's investigation, and they did before congress. . cory >> there was also much speculation grounding jim thompson's communications with trump's inner circle about overturning the election. particularly because she is the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. did her testimony or the gentle testimony released later testimony shed any additional light on whether this is something we worried about? >> it. did also jim thomas in a category of people who, while she recalled more than some of the others, her narrative was not always credible. for example, she said at the outset that she did not touch

the legal limit. that she was just a political activist. but when confronted with specific documents including her own emails and texts, not line became increasingly blurry. as her testimony went on. one of the things we do have to be concerned about is not so much about ginni thomas was affected, as i think the rest of the evidence reveals she was not so much of a street participant in this process. but at the same time her communications with people like -- louis gohmert chief of staff work stance of enough that the dividing line between her so-called political life and her husband's lead a life is not as clear as it should have been. and that should be of concern to us all. >> on that note, some people had hoped the chief justice john roberts final point would focus on performing ethics rules in relation to situation similar to ginni thomas, and her efforts to overturn the election in her association that her husband sits on the

supreme court. when he released, instead, yesterday, focuses on the threat to justice is safety. what else was in his final report that you can tell? and you believe it was a prudent focus for some of the report? >> man of the report is something the chief justice john subtly chief executive officer of the united states judiciary. traditionally it is a fairly dry document that focuses on statistics. bankruptcy filings are of, criminal filings are down. but the introduction here was about threats judicial safety. and used to be the threats to judicial safety were few and far between. but we have seen an uptick in threats to traditional safety from trial of all georgians to the supreme court and back down. so i don't think it was a mistake, necessarily, for the two to focus on that. but i regret very much that the word ethics does not appear anywhere in his report. and certainly the chief has

both a very tough job is a consensus builder and the chief executive of the supreme court in the court system. he has to please order constituencies but it shouldn't be either or it should be -- >> anocracy both topics. traditional x at ethics and threats to judicial safety moving forward. msnbc legal analyst we will leave it there. thanks, lisa. next, what you didn't know. but mike expected from donald trump's tax returns. a few bank accounts and some unexpected countries or maybe more than a few could be posing another problem for him, don't. some answers ahead. some answers ahead l you do? will you make something better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you.

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of trump's personal tax returns to the public on friday. you pedal previously reported the trump a little if anything an income taxes relative to his income. joining us is the founder of d.c. airports dot org. thank you for being with us to break all that down. trump appointed a bank account in china from his tax returns from 2015 through 2017, even though he said he had closed before his 2016 presidential campaign. to echo a question posed when your congressman-elect and former counsel daniel goldman, generally only been counts in the form country if you are doing transactions in that country. that's a guess that trump was doing business in china while he was president. and what implications without. have >> first, of all corey, open your so you are not your viewers. your question is spot on a daniel goldman is like the right that we need to look at this. why did trump lie about this?

we certainly had staff on his business who needless chinese account. why delight and why did he corrects the record? the reason it foreign accounts, and trump had many of them, isn't he was doing business. trump doesn't incredible into business in india. so courses indian bank accounts. for, say there's nothing wrong with. then borrow member that donald trump side of the saudis, but ultimately my pocket and i'd like people who put money in my pocket. we should be very careful about foreign money fall into a president, and the should be thoroughly investigated. >> if there was nothing wrong, why did he lie and cover it up it's a true? in his opinion piece for the daily beast yesterday -- that the continuing formation for every american in contain strong evidence that trump used one tactic of tax fraud at least 26 times, but he knew

was. illegal explain that tactic. >> in 1980, for donald trump is a very big year. trump tower just opened his first casino just open. he filed a tax return with a -- known as -- c. he said he was a consultant. he showed not a penny of revenue but top $620,000 in expenses. auditors caught this. and trump could not produce a single overseas, invoice, calendar. any documentation whatsoever. joe just for the city of new york and the state of new york after trials held that donald trump committed civil tax fraud. once you are on notice from judges that something you are doing is civil fraud, continuing to do it is powerful evidence of criminal intent. during the six years that donald was candidates or president, he had 26 of these schedule c sole proprietor

filings with zero revenue and hundreds of thousands of dollars in expenses. if he has no documentation for this, and knowing donald very well for 30 years i am sure he does not, that is an easy case to prosecute at the federal or state level. >> and yet he seems to still continue to skirt prosecution, or at least throw so much paperwork at prosecutors that it is delayed for years. you also explain why the irs spends far more money on the working poor and rarely on its high income earners like trump. you support restoring it 100-year-old law to rectify this. why does the irs give wealthy people a break? and what can wealthy people do to make sure they pay their share fair? >> in the year 2019, the most recent year we have data for, there were 24,000 family who aged $12 million or more in the iris close 60 million audits.

66 audits additive almost 24,000 households. with donald trump who has what we call lost carry folders. which were lost or claim to be lost in prior years that they are not detecting against the current your taxes, even if the irs vowed say $10 million of improper deductions, if you get $20 million in carry forward losses you are still not going to pay me taxes. the irs generally does not pursue taxpayers if they won't for the current year be audited aides, produce any revenue. donald has been brilliant at exploring this practice which i first exposed 20 years ago. >> one away to play the system. he called himself smart being able to do that. might have had a really smart teams that help you do that. that doesn't mean you should be present of the united states and make -- pay for your taxes and tax burden. david i can talk about this all day with. you think as much for being

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at the age 94 on -- he lays in the trouble is dividing monastery where he has lived since retirement. his funeral will be held at the vatican on thursday. joining me now is nbc news foreign correspondent claudia banana. having years too. you releasing images of the first images of pope benedict since his death. tell us what we are seeing. >> that is, right cory. happy new year to you in the viewers as. well what we are seeing on the first images of the body of pope emiratis benedict 16 lying in the monastery right behind me behind the vatican walls where he is moved to an resigned in 2013. and where he died early yesterday morning. also, the vatican says that pope francis was the first person who went to the monastery a soon as he heard the news of his death yesterday morning. and he spent about half an hour

there. the body will be then moved tomorrow morning on monday morning inside st. peters basilica so you can give the faithful it changed to be their last farewell and be able to do so until thursday went on thursday morning the funeral will be held in st. peters square and you will be presided by pope francis himself. in the meantime, pope francis today carried out the scheduled events. he held mass this morning inside st. peters square and then deliver the usual sunday prayer from the window of the papal apartments, going to st. peters square. and drying both advance he paid tribute to the pope and marcus benedict 16. glory. >> claudio lavanga force at the vatican. thank you. up next, we worry about the safety of planes in crowded spaces. what about attacks on the power grid? next, the impact they can have

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vulnerability of our nation's power grid after christmas day attacks on four past agents in washington state left thousands in the dark. latest in the rising trend of attacks and vandalism in suspicious activity over the past years of electrical facilities throughout the u.s.. making calls to better protect our nation's power grid. joining me now is clint wants, msnbc national security analyst and author of messing with the enemy. surviving in a social media world of hackers, terrorists, russians and fake news. clint, welcome. in at least 108 human related power grid attacks were recorded during the first eight months of 2022. compare that with 99 in 2021 and 97 in 2020. most of which i do not think the american people have heard

about, just in general. but also how dire of a threat is this to the electrical grid, all this increase in attacks? >> it is interesting the uptick in. but it is not interesting in the sense that the intent has been there for quite sometime. stretches back for at least a decade. there was a serious one in the san jose california area by the decade ago. more importantly, when you look at some of the online discussion, particularly over the last two years, you see this idea of accelerating a war for celebrating -- and the way they seem to do this by taking events like the pandemic or major energy today in the careers off line. and they put those together as the precipitation of a larger civil war that they seek. it's a monastic forms you see the sort of chatter. the question still remains, well it is this related to the

tax racing run the country? or simply acts of local individuals people decided to undertake an attack of their own? i think that is what the fbi and investigators are trying to sort out. >> i think we have noted here that the fbi is looking into some of the attacks. they have been mom about the investigations in general, and january the deregistered wore the domestic extremists have been developing credible, specific plans to attack electricity infrastructure. at least since 2020. and as you mentioned, much for the market sense than. in february, three white supremacist flood guilt pled guilty to -- to attack with rifles. is it your opinion that there is evidence that the domestic extremists would be individual attackers it's not necessarily a coordinated? or is this something that could point to a much more coordinated thing potential even in the future? >> it is really unknown. two ways to think about it. i'm sure this is what the fbi's trying to solve.

is this a coordinated effort by a series of individuals or similar people that believe in the same thing to go after these conversations as part of a larger movement? the one that comes to mind is a group known as the boogaloo. they were predominant around 2020, particular the idea of starting some sort of a civil war. separately, though, we did see born tehran international terrorism is that people don't need to coordinate. if the ideas out there on the internet, they can move to the idea and undertake an attack on their own. this is known as -- meaning that the objective or and point is really well-known but the attacker is not. which makes it very difficult for law enforcement and critical infrastructure to defend against, because you don't know where the next attack will come from. you don't know the type of attack. it is difficult when you have all these power stations around the country, to defend all of them equally and such a way that you can ensure that the power does not go off whatsoever. widely not have the resources to do the present. >> you've done seconds left at the final second is of so

wycoff or the american people? >> i know this is a wake up call it is just reinforcing point in the post pandemic era, with a lot of network functions in a world, especially critical infrastructure, when those things come down everybody can feel the impacts of them. we've got to become more resilient as a society and as a country. >> clint watts, thank you. that will do us for this hour on alex what. reports of great confidence will see you back here the saturday at noon. up next, continue our coverage. continue our coverage ll need to prove that i'm more than what you see on paper. today i'm the ceo of my own company. it's the way my mind works. i have a very mechanical brain. why are we not rethinking this? i am more... i'm more than who i am on paper.