tonight on "the reidout" -- >> no person having received the majority of the whole number of votes cast by surname, a speaker has not been elected. >> an epic fail and stunning humiliation for kevin mccarthy. who took the knee for donald trump, then gave away the store to the koo-koo fringe of his party but is still not speaker of the house. >> and we begin tonight with the new congress. the 118th. today was supposed to be swearing-in day, typically a big day for the country, filled with pomp and pageantry and often a feeling of hope and excitement as a new congress kicks off and implements its vision. for some, it serves as bring your kids to congress day, so that children get to see their parents or their grandparents take the oath, and perhaps make history themselves. history was certainly made on this opening day in the house of representatives when house democrats nominated their caucus chair, hakeem jeffries, of new

york, to succeed nancy pelosi as speaker. >> i rise today at the direction of the house democratic caucus to place into nomination for election to the position of speaker of the house of representatives the pride of brooklyn, hakeem jeffries, of new york. >> the new york congressman secured 212 votes for speaker. it was the first time since 2007 that a democratic leader won support from every single member of their caucus. jefferies is also now officially the first black lawmaker to lead a party in congress, succeeding the first woman, pelosi. it was a picture of unity within the democratic party and of progress. a changing of the guard in house democratic leadership. even more diverse, younger, reflecting the promise of america. the start of a new congressional year can also be messy, and by messy, we're talking a full-on revolt against kevin mccarthy

and his fight for the speakership. to win the gavel, he needs a majority of the members present voting, that would be 218 votes, and while things aren't exactly going mccarthy's way, earlier today, kevin failed to win a majority on the first ballot amid opposition from his party's far right fringe, the same scenario repeated during the second vote. with the anti-mccarthy faction consolidating for insurrection friendly tea partier jim jordan of ohio, who himself is a supporter of mccarthy. kevin then lost his third vote for speaker, even losing support when florida republican byron donalds who earlier got a nomination vote himself, announced his support for jordan, after having voted twice for mccarthy. it's the first time in 100 years that a speaker was not elected on the first ballot. and what happens next is literally anyone's guess. the house has adjourned until noon tomorrow. grab that popcorn, america. this might take a while.

joining me is ali vitali. two things i want to know, on the democratic side, how loudly were they laughinger, and at any point, did they start to break out ticker tape and have a parade? and on the other side, what are the conversations taking place now that they have adjourned between mccarthy and the 20 who oppose him? >> so look, i didn't see ticker tape from democrats, but i did see popcorn. you're not far off with that. and then on the other side of it, republicans are now eating pizza, like literally on my way to do this live shot with you, there were boxes and boxes of pizza being wheeled in because they have a long night ahead of them. mccarthy is still huddling with conservative lawmakers trying to find a way to make inroads. here's the problem, they didn't just meet the other day. they have been talking about this for weeks. mccarthy has been making concessions, trying to find ways to get these freedom caucus members onboard, and it's clear that they have an all or nothing approach here.

that much was clear this morning, when they were talking with reporters, and it has certainly sustained itself throughout the day. the mccarthy strategy was also to keep people on the floor and just eventually wear them out, be able to make inroads by the sheer force of putting people on the floor. those conservative lawmakers, though, didn't blink. the reality is true that they are both nominating the guy, jim jordan, who is nominating kevin mccarthy, the guy does not want to be speaker, but at the same time, conservatives are still trying to find any way to keep mccarthy from being in this position. and so far, they're being able to do so. mccarthy is not speaker, and there's no clear way for him to get there. so there's a lot of shrugging here on capitol hill right now. because frankly, this just needs to play out, but no one can say the way it's going to end bah it's not clear who is willing to blink first. >> msnbc capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, thank you. tell them they better stay away from the pizza boxes.

the qanon people get real suspicious when they see pizza. thank you, ali. >> joining me is shermichael singleton, former republican consultant and host of screen share. kurt bardella, democratic strategist, and charlie sykes, an msnbc contributor. i'm going to start at the table here because kurt, you know, you were staff at one time to republicans, and i love the fact that boat of you are here, because you were both young republicans in an idealistic -- that were idealistic i'm sure coming into the party and then discovered what the party is and started to back away. you wrote a piece in the l.a. times, kurt, about when things started to get weird. and it was 2014 in the obama era. >> when you look at what's unfolded today, joy, to me, all of this started eight years ago when dave brat defeated the sitting house majority leader eric cantor in his primary. the first time really that we saw from that tea party wing of the party that had emerged them

successfully take out what they called the establishment, which they really thought of as the enemy. it's funny because that wing of the party, the democrats were the opposition, but their own leadership, their own party structure, they saw them as the enemy, and they successfully took out eric cantor. he was part of this trifecta that was anointed as the young guns. paul ryan, eric cantor, and kevin mccarthy, they were going to take over. cantor goes down. boehner then a year later resigns from congress. not just vacating the speaker, he left. he took his ball and went home. mccarthy was supposed to be the leader at that point. the night before the votes are supposed to happen, the freedom caucus puts out 30 to 40 members saying they're not going to vote for mccarthy. mccarthy bows out of the race, paul ryan ascends. then paul ryan leaves gless. he didn't want to deal it with anymore because it got too crazy. here we are now, all those years later and the same play playing out. a vocal minority of extreme and in this case anti-democratic

domestic terrorist sympathizers have hijacked the caucus. 222 republicans in gres. how is it possible these people have allowed 20 of them led by matt gaetz who sent venmos to a child trafficker of some kind, how do they allow this to happen that they get held hostage? it's because for every time this happens, they capitulate. the reason why donald trump was able to hijack the republican party is because they surrendered to him. trump didn't take it by force. he just won it by attrition. they gave up. now they're seeing what happens when you let that happen. there's a reason why the united states motto is we don't negotiate with terrorists. this is the reason why. >> the thing is, i have always said the media made a huge mistake underestimating what the tea party was. this was an extreme anti-obama surge of anxiety about this table growing in numbers. but they organized and took over the republican party.

much of the house caucus, the freedom caucus, that's the tea partiers. jim jordan, tea partier. even desantis of florida. the tea party has now become the baseline. then on top of that, you have the maga people. then on top of that, you have people like gosar whose own family says they're racists, and the moderates, what passes for them is the guy who called himself david duke without the baggage, scalise. your range is now extreme to a little less extreme, and there's very little left of the kind of people who probably compelled you to become a republican. >> this is what happens when you allow extremism to hijack and take over a political party. the republican party is an ungovernable party. i remember in 2014 when brat beat eric cantor. i was an opposition researcher to ask for the research for all republican candidates running in the state of virginia. cantor was rarely ever in his district. when brat won, i remember the conversations at the time were

well, if we allow some of the tea party individuals to win and we support them and back them, we can control them. we can reel them in. but temporarily, it will give us a majority. and it did. it was a great majority in 90 years. the party was incredibly successful. fast forward after that, you get to trump. and that to me was sort of the catalyst where i think the republican party really had to make a decision. do we completely oppose him with everything we can to try to save the party or do we allow this guy to become the nominee and ultimately win? they chose for trump to become the president. and at this point, joy, i don't see how it's even possible for the republican party to reverse this. kurt, to your point, you don't negotiate with terrorists. it's too late, the terrorists have won. they have now regained control of the republican party and to the point you made and asked about those moderates, the idea of moderation in the republican party is a nonexistent term. the idea of bipartisanship is a nonexistent term. many folks that i knew, many folks you knew who were moderate

leaning republicans have either become democrats like kurt or independents like myself. so i think one has to ask the question, joy, at that point if your are a conservative in this country, what is your obligation when the current iteration of your party stands for everything that is for the most part anti-democracy? that's a tough question. >> and one of the most conservative members of congress who is now out, charlie sykes, is named liz cheney. the cheneys are out. okay, that's how far, and to take this back a little further. there was a time when the john birch society tried this game and the party at the time said absolutely not. you can't come in. but they have done the opposite strategy and seem to be shocked that the same people who hated kevin mccarthy when he tried to be speaker before still hate him and don't want to let him in. let me go through with you some of the lists of what mccarthy has been willing to give in. he's been willing to lower the threshold for a vote of no confidence in the speaker to five members.

imposing limits on nonpartisan office of congressional ethics basically saying no ethics investigations against insurrectionists in that same caucus of 20. creating a new select committee to investigate the weaponization of the doj and the fbi. eliminating the creation of the house staff labor unions, ending the practice of proxy voting, et cetera, and restoring something called the holman rule, letting people promote amendments. it doesn't seem like any of that will make those 20 move because they know that they already own him. >> well, that's right. tried to shrink his way into power, and amazingly, that weakness did not impress his colleagues. there's no question about it that the republican party is not held hostage by the extremists but it's important to understand what's on display here. it's extremism and also nihilism. they love the theater of what happened today. they don't care about the institution. they don't care about governing

at all. they think their job is to blow things up, tear things down, and to start fires. and this is what we're having. so kevin mccarthy becomes almost a symbolism overload today, because you reap what you sow. and kevin mccarthy's whole career has really made him sort of an avatar of the gop cowardice surrender and humiliation. and as republicans are looking around, they have so many reasons to think, this is not going well for us right now. is it? and kevin mccarthy going through the hat trick of humiliation today, and it's going to get worse tomorrow. by the way, the strategy that they have, apparently, based -- >> uh-oh. okay, let's -- there we go. start again. go again. >> their strategy is to go to the real bosses of the party, which is of course the entertainment wing of the party,

to go to tucker and sean hannity and ben shapiro and count on them to beat up these 20 dissenters, which tells you really where the center of power and the priorities of this party are right now. and also, historians are going to have a hard time explaining the scene that you saw today where the party that lost control is jubilant, celebrating, and the party that is taking control, that would normally have this moment of triumph and jubilation and expectation has decided instead to pull the pin on the grenade and toss it among themselves. what an extraordinary moment of political failure by a political party. >> the smooth transition on the democratic side, it was remarkable. and it's left hakeem jeffries with more votes for speaker than kevin mccarthy. and let's just talk bench for a second. i want to get all of you guys in

on this conversation because the other issue is who have they got to replace him with? marjorie taylor greene is moaning, can we play this real quick? let's play marjorie taylor greene. this is how you go establishment. watch her do it. watch her work. >> i haven't asked for one thing from -- for myself, and i'm the only republican that has zero committees. i find out that it's my freedom caucus colleagues and my supposed friends that went and did that, and they asked nothing for me, nothing. that's what i found out in there. i'm furious. >> the operative word is me. there's no, you know, i'm furious that we're not going to be able to do x policy wise, not going to be able to change y. it's me, i didn't get anything. you want to talk about the swamp. it doesn't get more back room than saying in the back room, i want something for me. so that just shows where she lands. but just for the moment, let's just go through quickly and i'll give you guys a minute, who have

they got as backup? >> steve scalise, jim jordan, who got the second most votes in the republican conference for speaker today, even though he said he didn't want it. >> the minute he became speaker, the next day, the george clooney executive produced documentary about what he did when he was assistant coach in ohio and all of those young men were assaulted, is coming out. he doesn't want to be speaker for good reason. >> that's why i think scalise is probably the most likely candidate because scalise, understand, the biggest issue with mccarthy is this is a guy who stands for nothing. he's all things to all people all the time. with scalise, the republican conference believes they know who he is. he's already been elected to leadership multiple times. they feel more comfortable with him. >> he has to go and raise money if he's the speaker. longtime political reporter claims when she first met scalise when david duke was a

state representative, scalise said i was like david duke without the baggage. he claimed in 1999, he embraced many of the same conservative views as david duke. he appeared at a white supremacist group led by a group founded by david duke. that's the guy who endorsed lynchings in texas. the bench is rotten. >> look, joy. this is a serious moment that's going on with the republican party right now. you have a party that has won the majority, that cannot govern. there are people in the country right now struggling to pay rent. there are families in the country right now that need child care, health care. there are dozens of individuals who are now released from prison who need help with reform and trade and education. you have a party that's not going to tackle any of this. you have a political party that what we saw with marjorie taylor greene is not about the american people. it's about themselves. it's an egoist party that only

cares about its own advantages versus how to move the needle forward for the average person. >> and charlie, last word to you on elise stefanik, the last unnamed member of this cabul. somebody who wanted to be in the buttigieg administration. she's not getting it either. >> it doesn't matter who's on the bench because whoever becomes speaker will be immediately powerless and weak. you're going from a powerful speaker to one of the puniest speakers we have ever had. it does not matter who ends up with the job because this is a party that is incapable and uninterested in governing. >> no one with a brain wants that job. and then kevin i guess is the one who wants it. if you think the start of the 118th gres was exciting, wait until you hear about what happened to the 74th congress. michael beschloss joins us next.

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gillette was elected on the ninth ballot. that took a couple days. before that, there was the longest and most contentious speaker vote in u.s. history which happened in 1856 during the 34th congress. it took nearly two months for the house to choose its leader. as anti-slavery congressman nathaniel banks ran against multiple candidates who wanted to expand slavery. banks finally won after 133 rounds of voting. there was also the bizarre situation in 1931 when after republicans won a two-seat house majority in the 1930 midterms a year after the stock market crash that sparked the great depression, 14 members-elect died. they died between election day and the start of the 72nd congress, including the sitting speaker, nicolas longworth iii, giving democrats control of the house and the speakership to john nance garner. you can't make it up.

it's history. joining me now is nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. i love a worm hole and that was my favorite today. it has happened before, but what i would love for you to talk about is when those -- when these narrow, narrow majorities happen, and there's a contentious vote for speaker, what tends to happen to the party that wins? >> well, in the old days, you know, they could go on just as you were saying, joy, like 1855, 1856, it went over new year's, and they could go on for two months. they could have 133 ballots because there wasn't modern press coverage and i would guess that out in illinois where i grew up, people were not mesmerized by every minute of what was going on in the house of representatives the way that at least some people are nowadays, and the same thing with 1923, and the other thing is, it was before the cold war.

it was before the times that we're living in. the congress was not seen as hugely important to every single minute of what's going on in our economy and national security. so americans were willing to put up with these long fights. but in recent years, until 1994, the kind of person who would be the leader of the house more or less would be someone like gerald ford or someone like bob michael, two republican leaders, both of whom i knew. two of the nicest guys on earth. and they were elected because they could get along with their colleagues, gerald ford played golf with tip o'neal. they were nice people. they raised money. and so everything was sort of a world that we do not know now. then comes newt gingrich, 1994. >> yes, yes. please, say more. say more. >> well, gingrich came in and said, you know, we republicans have been out of power for 40 years. we have been letting the

democrats eat our breakfast and lunch, and we can change that by being much more assertive, saying that if you elect us, we'll have a contract with america, maybe ten things like a balanced budget, welfare reform, that we will insist upon, and the other thing is the old days of democrats and republicans getting along, that is no more. there's going to be constant contact -- combat, and so gingrich comes in, got 54 seats. compare that to that election in november. 54 seats, huge sea change. bill clinton, who was president, was asked at a press conference, are you relevant in light of this big congressional victory by republicans? and you know, clinton was almost sputtering like a guppy. >> you know, the thing is i think there are two things, that was one thing. the fact that gingrich fundamentally changed the way republicans operate, particularly in the house, it's now bled over a little bit into

the senate, but the other piece of it that takes me back to the 1856 election, is that in this case, that was before the civil war. we now have had an attack on our capitol, domestic terrorism, and people in congress who participated in or at least supported it. some of them are now either controlled who will be speaker or in line to be speaker. the idea that jim jordan, who is mentioned in the january 6th hearings, the idea that insurrectionists are now the people who will decide who the speaker is, seems to me to be mind blowing from an historical standpoint. >> it is mind blowing, and i don't know how you felt, joy, but when i heard the news today that the incoming republican majority in the house is insisting on taking out the magnetometers and reducing security around the house chamber, maybe there's a benign explanation of that, but that makes me very nervous, not even two years after january 6th.

and the other thing is that before 1994, both parties had people of almost all ideolideol. there was such a thing as i hope everyone in our audience is sitting down, there was such a thing as a liberal republican from new england in 1994. needless to say, not too many now. the result was that there were differences between the two parties, but they were relatively well managed. now what we have been seeing today, and what a day we have been through, is a weak minority leader, kevin mccarthy, who is running from person to person, making all sorts of secret deals, god knows what. you know, maybe chop aid to ukraine in half, maybe do this and this in this department. what secret deals he's made, no one knows. the point is for two years, he's had the opportunity to bribe his colleagues, and also threaten his colleagues.

and despite that kind of power, he wasn't able to get a majority on the first ballot, just as you have said, for the first time since 1923. this is going nowhere. >> since before there was television essentially. >> right, and i don't think it was covered on radio much. >> exactly. stunning stuff. always love to talk with you, michael beschloss. >> same here. be well. >> happy new year. >> up next, a study in contrasts. what the 118th congress looks like on the other side of the aisle, after this. this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. fasenra is not a rescue medication or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra may cause allergic reactions. get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth and tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your asthma treatments

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unlike the republican party, held hostage by the right since the tea party during the obama years and morphing into the maga crowd and now in its current incarnation as the party of insurrectionists. in 2018, the squad changed politics in washington and forced the democrats to actually hear its base. and with this new congress, the progressive wing's numbers are growing. i'm joined now by one of the og members of the squad, massachusetts congressman ileana presley, who was wearing the fliest outfit in the gallery today. i caught you on the feed and was like hold on a second. i have to ask you what the vibe was like on the democratic side. i'm so curious because it was this wonderful sort of, you know, picture of multiculturalism, multiracialism. a leadership team with a woman, two black men, a latino, what was the vibe like on the

democratic side? >> joyful. and just really clear on the historic nature of the day. and i would also say just we're also not only happy but also proud that we have a democratic leadership team that is reflective and representative of the people who call this country home. >> you know, i was just speaking with michael beschloss, we call him our inhouse historian here and talking about the previous congresses when you had these narrow majorities and afterwards that could work together, but it was all white guys, older white guys. they were demographically identical, so they could find commonalities no matter their party. in this situation that is coming up, 118th congress, not only is the democratic party completely different in terms of being diverse and the republican party different in terms of being extreme, there are still things that need to get done. there are still things that you all wanted to do, the progressive wing wanted to do. i'm going to put a few up. they still need to get done.

police reform, immigration rights, voting rights, social security expansion. even under the great nancy pelosi, who is going to go down as one of the greatest speakers in history, those things could not get done. you now have hakeem jeffries, a different type of guy, different type of person, also dealing with a different type of crazy on the other side. what do you anticipate this looking like in the 118th congress? >> well, joy, the thing is, the display we saw today by the republicans is clear that not only do they have contempt for the american people and they are ill prepared to govern and mccarthy is unfit to be speaker, they have proven that they are the party that is anti-worker, anti-immigrant, anti-woman, anti-democracy, and in my opinion, anti-american. on the other side, the democrats have proven time and time again

as we have stood in the gap to alleviate hardship, to advance progress, during these very consequential times that what we do is for the people, and that is exactly why we had a democratic leadership that is representative of the people. because we're very clear about who we work for. and we have compassion for the american people, not contempt. and so i'm optimistic. as a proud progressive,ee don't just mobilize and engage for an election cycle. we're doing the work of movement building year round. that is essential to advancing progress and advancing progressive politics, which are very popular policies like paid leave and canceling student debt, to name a few. so it requires movement building. we want to make sure we're well poised to take that gavel back in two years and for the house to be in the majority as we gear up for 2024. so we have two years to make the

affirmative case for democrats. and i'll bet on us every time. >> i think the other side is going to try to help you because they seem to be trying to be sort of as wild as possible and unelectable as possible. i do have to ask you this. we talked a lot with you on the show just about the experience of the insurrection and how terrifying it was for you, for your family, for your staff. the fact that the people who are making the decision of who is going to be speaker, holding kevin mccarthy hostage, and in some cases being nominated for speaker, people like jim jordan, i just wonder how that lands with you, the insurrectionists are the opposition on the other side to the whatever it is you call kevin mccarthy. and they seem to be winning. >> it doesn't look well, but it doesn't have me living in fear for myself. it has me living in fear for the state of our democracy and for

the american people. what january 6th proved to us, when a white supremacist mob seized the capitol to interrupt the peaceful transition of power is that white supremacy is a threat to everyone who calls this country home and to our democracy. and in fact, we see across the aisle with the insurrectionests that are still serving here in congress, you know, again, it is anti-democratic, it is a threat to everyone, and they do not care about democracy or the american people. so the democrats have two years to make the affirmative case that we do care about democracy, that we do care about the people. and so we'll continue to fight the good fight. i'm very proud to be serving in the commonwealth of massachusetts, having just elected historic governors, lieutenant governors, attorney generals, all women. and also to be serving with the historic mayor. so i'm going to be exhaustive in

using and leveraging every tool available to me including my state house and my city hall to make sure that i'm advocating on behalf of the people. then when it comes to washington, let us not lose sight that we do still have the white house. and i worked very closely with the biden/harris administration on things like repealing title 42, canceling student debt, a moratorium on the federal death penalty. that work will continue that we push for an executive action agenda. >> well, the two parties could not be more different in the senate, but especially now. it couldn't be more different. congresswoman, i mean wow, thank you so much. >> they don't have any necklaces like that? >> if they had them, they would have wore them wrong, just to do it wrong. thank you very much, congresswoman. happy new year. >> thank you, joy. >> thank you. and still ahead, george santos

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on the terrifying moment that unfolded in last night's football game. 24-year-old buffalo bills safety damar hamlin remains in critical condition after spending the night in intensive care. he collapsed on the field after attempting a tackle early in the game against the cincinnati bengals. the bills say he suffered a cardiac arrest. he was rushed to the hospital after being given cpr on the field for ten minutes. the game was eventually postponed and the nfl hasn't made a decision on when it will resume. it's yet another tragic reminder of the inherent violent of the support and the humanity of the young men who put their health and safety on the line for the nfl's modern day gladiator spectacle. fans have pours millions of dollars into a charity toy drive that ham00 started. his family expressed sincere gratitude for the love and support shown to damar in this challenging time. your generosity and compassion mean the world to us, they said. joining me now is dr. bernard

ashby, and william rhoden, writer at large for espn, and author of forty million dollar slaves, the rise, fall, and redemption of the black athlete. doctor, i want to start with you. walk us through what happened. how does performing a tackle in football, which looked like a clean tackle, result in a heart attack? >> hello, joy. i wish we were seeing each other again on better circumstances. but it's nice to see you nonetheless. this is my little presentation here. i want folks to really understand what happened or what appears to have happened based on the video and the limited information that has been released so far. the heart has its own electoral conduction system, its own heart internal's pacemaker. now, the heart is basically an electrical, mechanical organ.

it generates electricity, contracts the muscle and that's how you get the blood out. certain things can cause it to have an arrythmia. and the most common cause of sudden cardiac death is arrythmia. with what happened to mr. hamlin on the field, it appeared that actually looked like he got hit in the chest, and with that particular circumstance, that can cause something called -- sorry, essentially, it's really a freak accident where the blunt force trauma happens at a certain part of the cardiac cycle and causes it to go -- meaning that heart is unable to pump blood out the body. and we are looking at these arteries here, going to the brain. and so if there is not enough blood going to the brain, in particular, you can end up with

an eye knocks it brain injury. and if it is too prolonged, you are just going to die and have permanent cardiac arrest. that is why it is so important that he received cpr and got different related very early on in the process. >> would you have to have had a heart problem before for this to happen? or could it happen to a normal heart? or could it happen>> it can hapl heart. >> wow. >> like i said, kind of a freak accident. there is no way you can screen for this. >> that is scary. let me bring you in here, william rhoden, because i think one of the things people have been talking about since to tangaloa's injury -- it's a brutal sport in a lot of ways. what do you make of the fact that it took a long time for time game to be called with that game to be stopped? what do you make of all this? >> i thought that the -- doctor's explanation was great,

one of the best i have seen so far but i think that -- there probably wasn't -- i would bet you dollars to donuts that -- remember, all of this is unprecedented. so, everybody is kind of freaking out. and i do you think the default, probably, at some point -- and this is a whole football thing -- it's kind of, all right, let's get together. let's kind of get together and we will give you guys a little time, let's get it rolling -- and i do think that somebody -- and it's probably troy vincent. it was probably troy vincent, the executive vice president for operations. he's a compassionate guy. i think he probably stepped in and said, listen, there is no way that we are going to send these guys back out there to play. so, i think it just took a minute for everybody to get their acts together. and i thought it was great that the 2 coaches came together,

they read the room and they saw the players. if you look at all the pictures of players, they are totally freaked out. the players are totally freaked out and so i think that the great decision was made, and said, there is no way that we can send these guys out here to play a game. but i do think that, originally, the instinct from some was to, how do we get this -- rolling? >> are you concerned -- i know that after a lot of these accidents, et cetera, happen parents are pulling their kids out of peewee football. because they start thinking that maybe this is too dangerous. the head injuries and the cte and these head of accidents -- what do you make of it? i don't know. go on. >> i hear where you are going. but there is always going to be a segment of people who are not going to be able to make this kind of money doing anything other than leasing out these

bodies to these 230 nfl -- teams. i hope a lot of people don't play because that's more opportunity for us. i think that given the structure of our society, there are going to be a lot of people, many of them african american boys, who are going to still throw their hat in the ring to play a very violent game. >> yeah -- >> -- i'm just wondering, is there any piece of equipment -- is there any pieces of equipment that could have stopped this? stopped this blow, this direct blow to the heart? >> -- and as you answer that question, dr. i bernard ashby, i want you to also address this question of -- what happened to him for anti-vax-ism purposes. is there a piece of equipment that could have prevented this and address these anti-vaxxers that are using the strategy to promote their ideology.

>> first of all, i don't know the answer to that question. again, this is a freak occurrence. it occurs very infrequently. it happens in car accidents, when you get hit by a baseball, football. so, it is something that occurs so infrequently that it is we have really limited utility in trying to prevent it. >> sure. >> the other question, with the anti vax, misinformation that is out there, it is really ridiculous. i don't know if you saw -- case, but basically, you come to rock nation, vaccine -- and it is a pretty disappointing night, instead of lifting up this man and trying to -- jumping to all kinds of weird, wacky theories. >> amen to that, amen to that. dr. bernard ashby -- that really was one of the best explanations i have seen -- and william rhoden, friends both, happy new year to you. and next up, slippery george

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