difficult economic circumstances are being squeezed by an economy that has this inflation that attacks energy. you bring your border back under control. and this side is going to bring that border security under control. we recognize it's a crisis. it's a crisis when the 2020, sector had 9,000 encounter, not for a five-day period, but for an entire fiscal year. under this administration, with these policies, that 9,000 encounters is about a five-day period in the human sector today. you don't know what it's like unless you see that happen. we're on a sub-optimal path. it has to change. and to make a change, it can be

difficult. it can be short term uncomfortable. but when you move to the correct path, all of a sudden, things ease up and you can start having success. the direction here in my opinion is to someone like a byron donalds, a man who is living the american dream, and is the example and the mentor for millions who need hope. here is a man who that has worked his way, has worked his way up. he is not a novice. he has the experience, he has the chops to be the speaker. he is a man, he has a lovely family, and they are politically engaged, they know what's going on. he has worked in florida politics, he's worked in the legislature, he has respect, he

has the quiet confidence that a leader needs. i look around this body today, and i know it's hard for you to believe, i know it's hard for me to believe sometimes, when i'm here, and i have the great honor and privilege of serving with you, but you represent the cross-section of america, the great american experiment. the experience that you bring, the knowledge that you bring is unique. the road to recovery is through this body. i believe, if you want to make change, you have to make change. maintaining status quo is not an option today. i believe we have reached an existential crisis in this

country. i look across and i see the left has captured virtually every institution. it is time that we reassert ourselves and put america back on the road to recovery. and the person who i think is most capable and will do the most credible job, to lead us back that way, is my friend from florida, the honorable byron donalds, who i'm pleased and proud to nominate as the next speaker of the house of representatives. [ applause ] >> the reading clerk will call the roll.

>> aderholt. mccarthy. aguilar? jeffries. alford? mccarthy. allen?

allen? allred amodei? mccarthy. armstrong? mccarthy. bacon? mccarthy. baird? mccarthy. >>

barr? mccarthy. barragan? jeffries. bean of bentz? mccarthy. bera? jeffries.

biggs? donalds. bilirakis? mccarthy. bishop of georgia? jefferys. bishop of north carolina? bishop of north carolina? blumenauer? jeffries. blunt rochester? jeffries. boebert?

[ inaudible ]. >> order. >> bonamici? jeffries. bost? mccarthy. bowman? jeffries. [ gavel ]. >> the house will be in order. >> boyle of

brecheen? hearn. brown? jeffries. mccarthy. buck? mccarthy. bucshon? mccarthy burchett? mccarthy. burgess? mccarthy.

burlison? mccarthy. bush? jeffries. carl? mccarthy. carson? jeffries. carter of georgia? mccarthy. carter of louisiana?

jeffries. carter of texas? mccarthy. casar? jeffries. case? jeffries. casten? jeffries. castor of florida? jeffries. castro of

cicilline? jeffries. ciscomani? mccarthy. clark of massachusetts? jeffries. clarke of new

jeffries. clyde? donalds. cohen? jeffries. >> all right. so it seems like the eighth time will not be a charm for kevin mccarthy. i'm katy tur. thanks for joining us. we've been watching the eighth vote for speaker of the house, and right now, we are currently at five dissenting votes, five nonmccarthy votes, from the republican caucus. as you know, we can only afford to lose four. joining me is nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki. we got one new name from a couple of people, tell me about kevin hearn, which lauren boebert seemed to revel in the

name kevin before saying hearn. >> the last congress, he was the chairman of the republican study committee, and picks up a vote from lauren boebert and josh brecheen. and votes for his fellow oklahomian. and what we're doing is we're tracking as they call out the votes and these are the republicans voting against mccarthy. and we have been looking at ballot after ballot after ballot, this is the eighth one now, if any of them move to mccarthy, we have yet to see anyone who has voted against mccarthy, in any of these ballots switch to him. we've also, we saw the only one we've seen switch away from mccarthy was byron donalds, who has been placed in the nomination again for i think the fifth ballot here, as an alternative to mccarthy, donalds on the first two ballots voted for mccarthy and he switched

away and the bottom, victoria spartz voting for mccarthy, she had been voting present. anyone else on this list has been voting for any name other than mccarthy. and as you say, mccarthy can afford four republicans voting for somebody else. he has to win all of the others. that is the path to the speakership. and again, no signs of budging here on the eighth vote. we will keep watching these, as they come in. and see if there is any sign of any kind of movement here. we haven't seen anybody, you know, who has been voting for mccarthy switch away from him on this ballot yet the but to put it in historical context what it means to show you here, this is the history, and this is where we're now moving. there is the eighth ballot. it is not going to be enough. there is going to be a ninth ballot and that brings us, you say it is 100 years since the speakers' vote went before the first ballot, that 1923 speaker vote, the last one to go beyond the ballot was settled on the ninth ballot. this one is now headed towards

the ninth ballot this. makes it the eighth longest vote for speaker in the history of the united states. and you can see, it won't take that many more ballots to start moving up, even higher on that list. so that's the territory we are venture into now. >> voting is still open. people can change their votes but that has not happened so far. and it looks like mccarthy is going to lose the eighth round of voting. speaking of kevin hearn of oklahoma nominated for the first time who by the way had been voting for kevin mccarthy, he spoke to punchbowl yesterday, and he said, as it's been from day one, it is a personal issue, they have been very explicit that they feel like they have been lied to, and it's hard to ever recover from that. he's speaking about the rebels talking about mccarthy. and so i think, hearn says, this is just going to be a matter of attrition. it could go on for quite a while. joining me now is nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. garrett, talk to me about what

you are hearing, what you're see seeing on the floor, and the meetings that are being had. there's been a few powwows among notable people. and some spaces in that hallowed building. what's going on? >> that's all true, and kevin hearn, the head of the republican study committee, the freedom caucus as a caucus within the republican party, and this is the biggest version of that, slightly to the left of the freedom caucus but the largest group of conservatives, and boebert kind of telegraphed that a little bit last night, with stephanie ruhle, she mentioned his name seemingly out of nowhere in that interview, and now perhaps we know why. it doesn't look wike we will see much progress toward kevin mccarthy. i think it's arguable whether this new introduction of hearn's name is a move away from him or not. but in the last hour or so, we have seen a lot of conversations both on and off the floor that suggest at least some degree of movement. some of those involving kevin mccarthy, who the c-span cameras god bless them picked up having

a pretty animated conversation with representative-elect ogles from tennessee briefly in the back of the chamber. before that, sitting and listening to andrew clyde for an extended period of time. it doesn't look like he made much progress on clyde who just voted for donalds again. we will see what happens when it comes to representative-elect ogles. about 100 yards from where i'm standing is the whips office for the majority and that seems to be the main location where the conversations are taking place off the floor. there has been a pretty active shut ling back and forth between a handful of mccarthy allies, trusted allies, in the membership, and some of the key figures in the anti-mccarthy faction. chip roy, scott perry, and the like, going back and forth. it seems to me to a degree there are serious negotiations going on. that's where they are happening. what is interesting about what we know is that everybody who has been very, very chatty about this process, over the last couple of days seems to have clammed up about what is

happening in that room. scott perry, a short time ago, gave a fox news interview. he wouldn't discuss any specifics. wouldn't discuss any with me afterwards. likewise, chip roy who has not seen a camera or a reporter who he was not willing to discuss his grievances with kevin mccarthy over the last two days, has had nothing to say about the discussions. you know, in washington, negotiations, when the negotiators stop doing it publicly, and get quiet in this way, that's when things tend to be getting interesting. now, it may just be a matter of bruised egos and hurt feelings which often affects thee negotiations because of leaks that have happened overnight, or it may mean we're seriously down to brass tax. only time and more reporting will tell for sure. >> gaetz just voted for trump again. just to put that out there. the second time he's done it. buck, who we had been paying attention to, steve kornacki and i talked about this earlier, that until today, had been skipping his turn and waiting until the end, and he had said, garrett, that if kevin mccarthy

doesn't get enough votes, over and over again, that he is going to start changing his vote, because he thinks somebody else needs to come on. he voted for mccarthy again for the seventh and eighth round, so i wonder, can we read into that? i mean he was the one saying that he was going to depart, that they should find someone new, can we say anything about kevin buck standing firm so far? >> well, i mean look, buck is a freedom caucus member, and if you're going to look at across the spectrum of the 90% of the republicans who support mccarthy, he is probably in like the 10% who have been most likely to jump ship and vote for somebody else on the other end, if he does choose to vote for somebody else, i think that would be a leading indicator that there's a leak in the mccarthy ship here. but i think part of what we're seeing here is that the anti-mccarthy faction have yet to come up with any kind of plan or alternative candidate who is more palatable. even those people who aren't really sure they love kevin

mccarthy. you know, hearns' name is an interesting one because he obviously had to be selected from that large group of republican study committee members, so i think to the agree that there is a strategy behind the anti-mccarthy folks is a throw-out increasingly more palatable names to the rest of the conversation and see if they can start siphoning off those votes. the battle that we're seeing by the way play out in conservative media, on fox news, and in the pages of, you know, conservative blogs and websites and such is kind of like who has the blame right now, and who has, on whom is the onus to move the needle. and i think this is a way for those anti-mccarthy folks to say look, we are doing our part to move the needle here, why can't kevin mccarthy. but we'll see as the numbers keep looking pretty much like they looked for the last two days, if anybody is able to really meaningful change the dynamic here, we'll just keep talking and voting and voting and talking. >> to lower your voice even more

because it sounds like it is on the way out, garrett, but a quick question, now i forgot it. so never mind. i'm just going to move on. garrett haake. >> i'll be here if you figure it out. >> you have been spared, my friend. thank you very much. also with me is political white house reporter and play book author eugene daniel, a msnbc political contributor and former republican congressman, msnbc political analyst david jolly. i remembered my question, so when we're talking about kevin hearn, we'll go to you on this, bres, is there a plan here? or did it just seem like lauren boebert revelled in the saying of the name kevin to make the crowd hold their breath and look closely and wonder what is she going to say. i mean was kevin hearn a plan? or was kevin hearn an opportunity for her to say the name kevin? >> maybe a little bit of both. kevin hearn is not challenging

kevin mccarthy for speaker. that's not on the agenda. but they were looking at jim jordan and they have donald trump out there, they have byron donalds, and i mean, you know, andy biggs, they floated a bunch of names. they're not trying to elect, at this point they're not trying to elect one of their own, they know that one of their own can't win, what they're trying to do, again, as we talked about the last three days and more, extract concessions for mccarthy, if they can defend, or they feel they can defend their base, and look, this is what we got from mccarthy, and go from there. they aren't really trying to elect anybody. they are just trying to stop mccarthy and use it as leverage. i mean it is interesting, kevin hearn, you know, it is someone we know inside the building but he is probably not well known to the national audience. >> kevin hearn just voted for mccarthy, just for the record. eugene, kevin mccarthy has given everything away it seems but his

shoes. is there anything left that i'm not counting? i mean is it going to have to be his shoes at some point? >> his shoes, maybe his tie, part of the office, it doesn't seem like bres just said, they have all of the concessions it seems that they can want, right? and the question for mccarthy, and the others, is how much pain are they willing to accept as this moves forward, and mccarthy reported in the playbook today, is the concept, the idea that they have, is to kind of chip away, continue to give these concessions, maybe pull away around the 20 people who have voted against mccarthy, and then the pressure will be to do so on the others and give him just enough to become speaker. that doesn't seem as likely as it did to what worked for them last night. this was before the seventh and eighth and what is going on right now. concessions-wise, it is unclear what else kevin mccarthy could

give, we call them rebels, to actually make him, make him feel palatable for him to go ahead and make that vote. i will say everyone is getting a lot more frustrated to say the least. some of them have said there is not a word in webster's dictionary to say how irritated i am by this, and people like pete sessions of texas, who is in mccarthy's camp has each said there is probably only three or four more rounds of voting that could happen, that the republicans could accept, than that's something that they will have to continue to watch, because we're getting to the number here, pretty soon. >> so everybody has just stood up, and seems to be applauding hakeem jeffries. not quite sure what happened there. i think jeffries voted for himself. jeffries voted for himself. there you go. i got it. so they are all waiting. it seems like, i've heard maybe a few times today, in the

background of the house, so it seems like there are still families there, who are hoping to take pictures with the next speaker, or take pictures with their family members as they are sworn in, and remember, nobody has yet been sworn in, these are all, every single one of them, congressmen-elect still, even though congress has been in session now for three days. david jol ry, is there any silver lining to this? . i mean we are getting the benefit, i mean that honestly, we're getting the benefit of being able to see the house function in a way that we have never been able to see recently. c-span has control of the cameras. we can see everybody talking. it is a real breath of fresh air. we can watch as they're trying to deliver it. is there a way where we come out as a country, in a better place, after all of this, or is this just a big embarrassment? >> well, look, that depends on which side this falls on the razor's edge, right? what we are seeing is that for the first time, really since the

emergence of this hard right freedom caucus, whatever you want to call the group, they have taken control of the chamber. they have tried for 15 years. they now have it. and even the concessions that they are getting, while they argue it would empower all member, and i think there is some truth, it would empower all rank and file members, but in this environment, it would lead to absolute chaos, likely defaulting on the debt, shutting down the government, so that's not a silver lining, katy. there is a bright glass scenario, you have talked about it the past few hours, we are weeks away from that, which is ultimately do they have to get to some type of coalition governing? that would be intriguing. we're nowhere near that right now. i do think, ultimately though, kevin mccarthy will not turn the tide here. and the reason why, it goes not to the concessions he's offered but the issue of trust. we know there is already about five who have said they're not going to be, hard core, right now, biggs, boebert, good, gaetz, i think you can throw gosar in there, five, six, or

seven never kevins and it is over the issue of trust. and i would say between five and 20, right, the other 15 members, watched scott perry and chip roy, and they are interested in negotiating, somewhat in good faith. but scott perry in the last hour sent out a tweet using the word betrayal. betrayal regarding leaks around the negotiation, and that is a fundamental issue that most of these people have with kevin mccarthy. they don't trust him. and it doesn't matter what the deal is, you can't trust mccarthy to historian it for the next two years and it is matter of when, not if, if mccarthy can't get to 218. what can happen, and what boehner did for ryan, and have a hand in figuring out who is the person who can get to 218 that can protect essentially the house while working with the other side of the aisle. >> confidence is betrayed. do not inspire trust. he called the leaks last night

about the negotiations very disappointing. bres, who is that person going to be? who is going to be the boehner to paul ryan, or paul ryan to boehner, to help them find the next in line? and will it be steve scalise? or somebody else in leadership? >> well, let's start here. first of all, they are going to finish this vos, and then they are going to try, what we're told they will try to adjourn for a while, and have a conference meeting. that is a possibility that is under discussion. the republicans would meet. they're going to try and talk about what is on the table between conservatives and mccarthy. that's the idea. but to do that, they're going to have to get all republicans to vote for this, okay? democrats oppose any kind of adjournment. the idea then would be they adjourn, have a conference meeting, and try to figure out where they're going next. because another ninth roll call vote is not going to change the

outcome, okay? then if they have some kind of a meeting of minds, then they will try to adjourn and take a couple of days to draft an agreement. that will be the big thing. and this is going to go into next week. this is not going to end today. so you know, what we were told is that it may take a couple of days to put this agreement together, and have everybody approve it, and you know, have it out there publicly, so everybody can look at it, so this will be finalized, not until next week, this is the idea that is being floated right now, finish this vote, go and meet each other, meet privately, as a group, as a house republican group, all 222 of them, and then see where, see if there is room to adjourn. they would all have to support adjournment, give themselves a couple of days and then maybe come out with a revised agreement at that point. so i think, i mean we've had 72 hours of this, and everybody is kind of tired. they're all grouchy, as you can see by scott perry, and a lot of

frustration, i think they want to get them in a room, see if they can get a sense of what the temperature is, and you know, if there's not agreement, they won't be able to adjourn because the democrats won't allow them to adjourn, and the republicans could adjourn if all 218 of them agree to do so. >> that is still an if. we got to get those, it is just five more republicans, or five republicans, that can stop them from adjourning, and then drag that this out. >> exactly. >> okay. we are continuing to watch this. john bresnahan, thank you very much. david jolly, you're sticking around. eugene daniels, thank you as well. steve kornacki, i know you're standing by. we are watching the eighth vote. which it appears kev has already lost. new name turned out today, kevin hearn of oklahoma. coming up next, we have a fellow oklahoman, representative stephanie bice, or representative-elect i should

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. welcome back. we are still watching the vote for speaker of the house. this is the eighth vote. and it is still open and kevin mccarthy appears to have already lost it. you will see on the right-hand side of the screen, donalds has gotten 11 votes, others have gotten three. those others are donald trump, again from republican matt gaetz, and kevin hearn, of oklahoma. speaking of oklahoma, joining me now is republican congresswoman from oklahoma stephanie bice. congresswoman, congresswoman-elect i should say since you haven't been sworn in yet this cycle, thank you for joining us. how do you feel about what is going on? >> first of all, thank you for having me. at the end of the day, democracy is messy and this is playing out

right in front of our very eyes. way tonight remind everybody or make a point, at the end of the day, we are going to end up with the republican speaker and 90% of this conference continues to support kevin mccarthy, we're on the eighth vote right now, we have not lost a single member, and that 200 members and people continue to support kevin. but we do see that we need to get to the end game, it is not good for the american people, we haven't stood up committees, we haven't as you mentioned been sworn into office and the american people have elected republicans to get to work, to be able to address the issues of the country and right now that is not happening so the sooner we can come to a consensus, and get the speaker elected the sooner we can get to work for america. >> i agree with you there, america wants to you get things done, how long do you wait for kevin mccarthy to gain more votes? you say you haven't lost the 200 number and you are still well

shy of the votes you need and there seems to be some people who won't vote for him no matter what. are you looking at someone else as speaker who could be palatable? >> you have a number, the 201 members who have said they will not vote for anybody but kevin mccarthy. and the 10%, the no caucus, that is continuing to stick together, has floated out a variety of names over the last three days a couple of new ones this afternoon. but at the end of the day, they don't even have a consensus caucus. and we continue to stick with kevin because we think that kevin has earned the ability to lead the conference and has put us in the majority and looking at the 2020 election cycle and didn't lose a single incumbent and won 15 seats including mine, and this congress was able to win enough seats to gain the majority and we think that he should be the speaker of the house. >> not enough speaks to elect as speaker it seems so far. you said this seems like about personal conflict. what's the personal conflict that these members who are not

voting for kevin mccarthy, or these never mccarthy members, the hard five or six, what's the personal conflict they have? >> i don't know their issues specifically. i will say that it is few of those 20245 that really have personal conflicts but the majority are really policies. they want changes to the way that we do appropriations. they want changes to the rules. and that's why the negotiations are continuing. and i do think at the end of the day, that there is a deal to be cut and we can get this plane land and get the speaker elected in the next day or so. >> one of the changes that is being demanded by one of the holdouts is a vote on term limits. how do you feel about a vote on term limits for congress men and women? >> that is something that i think has been discussed quite a bit over the last several years. i believe that we should have a vote on it. and the question would be, is the senate even willing to take that up? and i don't think they are. >> even if they're not, would you be willing to have it on the floor? >> yes, i think we can have that

conversation, absolutely. but there's a whole host of other things that are also, i think, being discussed. whether it's open amendment process, whether it's appropriations being run individually, representative auchinman ha has put forward and one of the things that is exciting is we're looking at a germainness rule, which would limit bills to one specific issue. i was a state legislature before i came to congress and that is something that we had, and i think putting that as a rule in congress is actually a really good thing. >> what about the other side? there are a number of democrats who can help republicans, or help the republican party elect a speaker, if they wanted to. is there any consensus candidate that you can think of, or any way that there would be a consensus candidate, to form a coalition government, that actually gets things done? you talk about waning to work for the american public. the american public looks to congress and says gosh, they can't do anything, all they want to do is fight and this is a

prime example of it. is there a way to inspire the confidence of the american public, and say hey, we can work together, let me find somebody who is going to be a bipartisan solution who will bring bipartisan legislation to the floor? >> you know, at this point, that hasn't been discussed. i haven't heard anybody that could be a candidate to come forward. we continue to put our support behind kevin mccarthy. >> congresswoman stephanie bice, thank you very much. one last question, what do you think of kevin hearn your fellow oklahoman being voted. >> we saw that he voted for kevin mccarthy, so. >> stephanie bice, thanks for joining us. >> we're still watching the vote, don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. l be right . my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. ray's a1c is down with rybelsus®. i'm down with rybelsus®. my a1c is down with rybelsus®. in a clinical study, once-daily rybelsus®

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the republicans can't even elect a speaker? >> well, right now, it is obviously, well, it is the eight round here, and it looks like mccarthy will not have the votes again. i think all of us are focused on one thing. moving forward so that we can actually get to work for the country. and right now, the branch of government is offline while we're waiting for this to get resolved. the republicans continue to try. and obviously keep hitting a wall. but given how much we have to do for the country, we want to get to work and make sure we actually have a house that we can govern. >> some of your fellow congressmen and women elect have raised national security issues by not having security clearance, because nobody has been sworn in. do you see those playing out? >> well, obviously, it's a concern, god forbid, something were to happen, right now, you've got the house offline, and couldn't pass legislation, we have to wait until we get a speaker, and as you know, once we get past that, the key is to

make sure that whatever rules are agreed, to and i worry a lot about the fact that things are moving, they're defending the extremes of the far right and letting them control the way the house is going to run, it is going to be very difficult to govern under a speaker with these rules. so i'm hoping that they don't keep giving away the store to the extremists here. >> how long you are willing to wait before you feel like the democratic party is going to try to get involved in some way? >> well, it's really a matter of them coming to us, and i mean they have to, right now, they made it clear that they will try to work on it on their side by giving away more and more to the far right. and to their extremists, and as you saw today, they, this morning, it appears that they have called a motion to vacate, at any time, one member of congress can recall the speaker of the house, and it seems that, if that's the direction they are heading in, on the rules that they're agreeing to, that would be to prevent bipartisan

governing, as we have, if you look into the last two years, under the four seat majority in the house, we were able to get so much legislation done, working on a bipartisan manner, from infrastructure, to setting up chips legislation, and standing by veterans and supporting law enforcement, if you got the right environment, and the people willing parties, you can get legislation accomplished but if you set up a situation where you're bow to these extremists it will make it difficult to govern. >> the democrats changed the rule to vacate. talk too to me about that. >> we recognized years ago, with the problem solvers caucus, a 58 group of us, we new the motion to vacate which used to be have one member questioning the speaker at any time and you got to defend that otherwise any group, small group of extremists can disrupt the business of the country and we were able to change that rule and get more rules in place for bipartisan governing and that was effective

and we saw the fruits of that in the last congress. i literally hate to see the deals being made that you give away the store to a small band of extremists that hold the speaker hostage. >> congressman, you are, as you said the co-chair of the problem solvers caucus. this is a problem, not having a speaker of the house. >> agreed. >> you have friends on the other side of the aisle. you're telling me that nobody is having any conversations about trying to find a consensus candidate that can put forward bipartisan legislation to move this country forward? there are potholes that need to be fixed. there are streets that need to be paved. there are bridges that need to be shored up. there's a lot that this country, and those are just the minor things, relatively, depending on if you're talking about a bridge, there is a lot that this country needs to get done, and it means congress in session and working to do. i just wonder how long you're willing to wait. >> well, listen, lots of us are having conversations. it's really in their court, as you know, the side that they want to work together in that

way, but we continue of course as ever to have those conversations, some of which we'll share and others will not. but the bottom line is they have to be willing, on their side, and right now, they're focused on trying to cut a deal with their extremists, and to be willing to try to do it in a different approach, and of course, we're always open to those conversations, but you know, i think, i worry about, i said before, is if you're going to have a conversation, about governing, and deal with the debt ceiling and ukraine, and dealing with china and making sure we support our veterans and law enforcement, and taxes down and everything that makes life more affordable for folks back home, we will have to do that in a bipartisan way, and we saw that the last couple of years, and if you have a situation where you hand the keys of the kingdom over to the extremists and they're in control, it will be very difficult to govern under that scenario. >> congressman josh gothimer, congressman-elect, problem solvers caucus. thanks for joining us.

good to have you, sir. we are watching the floor, it looks like they're about to wrap up. so let's go over to steve kornacki who is still at the big board. any surprises? >> no, it is all 434 members once again cast ballots and they're going to go through the formlization process right now. but it is going to be once again, 212 votes for hakeem jefferys, the democrat, it is going to be 201 for kevin mccarthy, and there were actually, 17 that were cast for byron donalds, and then you saw kevin hearn get two votes, the republican from oklahoma, and donald trump picked up the vote from matt gaetz again. and sparks from indiana, the republican, voted present again. so again, there are 21 republicans. that is what this adds up to. 21 republicans not casting votes for kevin mccarthy. that's the number we basically have been seeing consistently, straight through. the question becomes, you had john bresnehan on a few moments

ago and he thought the mccarthy team would try to move to adjourn and try to have a republican meeting. that gets interesting. because as you saw last night, the motion to adjourn last night carried, it carried by a whisker. the margin last night when the republicans moved to adjourn, was 216 to adjourn, and 214 against it. and two things to note about that vote, every democrat voting against adjournment. and there were two democrats who just didn't vote. this those two democrats voted, and this is a 216-216 tie, they wouldn't have been able to adjourn last night. and also, part of this 214 who opposed adjournment last night were actually republicans. the republicans who voted against adjourning last night were andy biggs from arizona, lauren boebert, eli crane, and matt gaetz. so even last night, when a lot of these anti-mccarthy republicans were willing to, you know, call it a night, have

discussions, there were still four republicans who voted against even doing that. so if there is a motion to adjourn here, in the next few minutes, and all the democrats once again vote against it, and again, keep in mind, there were two democrats who just didn't vote last night, if they add their numbers into the mix there, it would only take, if every democrat votes against adjourning, it would take a total of five republicans, five republicans joining those democrats, it would create a 217-217 tie, and the tie is not enough, you know, in baseball, a tie goes to aun -- to a runner, in congress, it fails. it would take five to join, and it would stop. and i believe gosar at one point voted against adjourning and then switched his vote, so you certainly start to look at this list, if they think that they have a chance, that their odds of finishing off mccarthy are enhanced by keeping him on the

floor, and forcing him through another round of voting, and another round after that, it will only take five to keep this going. >> you know, maybe we should adopt soccer rules and do a penalty kick shootout to break the tie. see what happens there. steve kornacki, thank you very much. we will watch and see if those democrats who weren't there yesterday remain there today to cast their votes on whether to adjourn. joining me is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, donald trump has proven feckless in convincing these never-mccarthy voters, never kevin voters to relent. >> he didn't get a single one and i appreciate your grin as you were talking to scott, the problem solvers caucus. >> the problem solvers caucus. >> but what did he tell you? he told you the ball is in the republicans court and what did the republican party show us not only the last week and last months, right now they're dysfunctional as a party. just to give you an idea, i just

texted armit dillon, it will be a familiar name in a couple of weeks ago, she is challenging ronna mcdaniel to be the chair of the republican party. at the end of this month, that will be the republican party's next fight and i asked her what she thought about the speaker's fight that is ongoing and she said thoughts that are not public with a smiley face. so even thee is not willing to put her name down on this at a time when republicans don't know the future and we're talking about one year away from now. >> and we have the headline, end of maga? is this fortelling the end of donald trump's influence the end of maga? is it too soon to say? we're seeing so many dominos line up this way. he keeps losing elections this. should not be the case because republicans should have had a landslide and instead they have a trickle. >> and all last year we were having a conversation about the 2022 republican primaries, and it is that donald trump, effectively, was he able to create the republican party further in his image and did

they lose, yes, but we have seen some who have left, norman texted joe biden and saying our mass hope is invoking martial law and please urge the president to do so. the ones on the list of 20 who have res tense -- reticence in the past. >> and kevin mccarthy, the super pac aligned with kevin mccarthy, has relented and made a deal with the club for growth, and not to put any money into these open seats, which would open the door for more trump-ish primary contenders, candidates, to potentially win these open seats which would be a benefit for democrats in competitive districts, not so much of a benefit for republicans if they're finding themselves in a situation with more matt gaetz of the world. >> that is big in giving that up. because we saw that really dominate the gop primaries that we ran around the country

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