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short, even after making some of those new concessions to more far right members of his own republican party, right now you're looking live at the floor on the left-hand side of the screen, the house clerk, the tellers counting up the votes and reconfirming that they have all of the numbers right. you probably know the drill by now. we've done this seven other times. they will come out, formally announce the tally, an then one of two things are going to happen. we will either move into a ninth round of voting or there will be a motion to adjourn, in other words to take a break, at least for a little bit, to give republicans an opportunity to huddle again, to try again, to see if a deal is even possible. but you know taking a break is something that the majority of people on the house floor right now, the majority of members elect wood would have to agree to. tbd on that. our team is covering the latest ali vitali, national political correspondent steven kornacki at the big board, punch bowl and msnbc political contributor jake

sherman and former communications advise irto former speaker paul ryan brendan buck and marrowa gillespie is with us as well. ali, let me start with you. you have been catching up with members as they move on and off the floor. and we have discussions with pro and anti-mccarthy groups. catch us up to speed. >> what we're seeing is kevin mccarthy engaging with members who have broke within him over the last seven rounds of ballots and we've seen him on the house floor speaking directly to people such as congressman clyde, congressman oval, and hash it out on the floor and it is what is happening in private that is perhaps even more captivating and potentially has the possibility of moving things where they need to go in mccarthy's direction, specifically the number of members who have been huddling in tom emmer's office, just a floor below where we are right now, trying to hash out what

they might need in order to get to either yes or in the case of members who don't want to vote yes, possibly voting -- one of the things like congressman scott perry, is the idea that the concessions that were made overnight might have been helpful to some people but not to this entire group. for example, you've got scott perry tweeting, and he echoed this in the hallway, because the concessions were leaked overnight was a breach of trust and that doesn't help to move this along. which of course the leak that he is talking about came from congressman matt gaetz, to some of our colleagues who were here just as late as we were last night. so it's sort of, it gives the idea that while some of these members are negotiating, in good faith, trying to get things that we've seen already, like allowing one member to trigger a vote on the motion to vacate, that's one of the concessions that they got overnight, some of these members are negotiating in good faith, and others of them, though, they do just sort of give a sense that they are in

this just to be in this, just to continue the fight, and just to continue denying kevin mccarthy the speakership and that's where we are at this point. these negotiators are trying to hash out, okay, they're probably not going to flip five or six of these folks, but the ones that they can, that is who the negotiations are geared for now. >> ali, stand by. jake sherman, let me go to you. live in this moment with us now, right, as we are looking at some of the conversations happening live on the house floor. based on your reporting and the many, many sources that you have in this building, jake, where is this going next? are we headed to ballot number nine? or is there a time-out so they can basically try and figure out something out so we're not doing jay va view all over again here? >> they would like to get a time-out. unfortunately, they don't think they have the votes right now to get a time-out, to adjourn. remember, there are no rules right now in the house of representatives. so they can either vote again, or adjourn. they need a majority to adjourn. the democrats don't want to help them out. so that's where we are. so we're probably going to a ninth ballot. maybe a tenth ballot.

there needs to be an agreement if they want to take the weekend off, or else they just have to keep voting until they have a speaker. that's where we're going. from a broader sense, i don't know where we're going. mccarthy says he will stay in this. his task as ali can tell you, is herculean, he has 0 no votes and has to clop it to five. that is really difficult. a lot of these relationships that we're seeing right now, a lot of these dynamicing between the right and mccarthy are not new, and despite what people are saying, they are very personal. these are gripes that go back a decade. i mean even more. between mccarthy and the right. so it is just, it is a very volatile situation, hallie, and one with no logical conclusion at this moment. >> you have to wonder, i know this is the question that nobody can answer, but what will be the game changer, right? because there are several paths, obviously one is that mccarthy stays in, gets whatever concessions they will get, over

the number he needs to be speak herb and another is the discussion do you change the rules, if there is a plure at, right? the problem is hakeem jeffries as the numbers stand out, with that tally, and ending up being the next speaker, what is the realistic next best path? what is the thing that everybody is talking to, talking to now, given how things have gone down over the last several hours here? >> i want to point one thing out that has nothing to do with your question. what you're seeing there on the left or whatever side it is, it's not me, it is matt gaetz talking to jim mcgovern. he is the top democrat on the house rules committee along with one of his top aides on the right, slightly out of the screen. those are two people who understand the procedures of the house, and the top aide better than anybody, i'm curious if that is the conversation they're having. maybe there a rules change. >> will that happen -- >> mccarthy couldn't win a pleurality vote? could they move to a secret ballot?

i don't think that would pass. but what is the way out of this? the way out of this is for mccarthy to continue to give away every single tool he has to be an effective speaker and he will just limp along for as long as he can until some conservative takes him out over a perceived slooitd sleight that is perhaps nonsense an i hate to be blunt here but that is the rouse of representatives and it is reflected of the extraordinary partisan country that we have and there is no end to this besides mccarthy dropping out or cutting some sort of deal that gives him no ability to govern the institution in a way that is conducive to anything and you have to think into the future. passing a rules package. passing a government funding bill. passing a debt limit bill. i mean this is electing a speaker this. should be relatively easy after taking a majority. but that's where we are. >> steve, we will squeeze you in because we see some movement on

the floor and there is votes, matt gaetz for donald trump as speaker, and two others, sparks being present. talk us through the math here. >> a little bit of movement there but none of it toward mccarthy from the people who have been against him. this is the list we have been tracking. vote after votes now. these are the republicans who have not been backing mccarthy on previous ballots. here is how they just voted on the eighth ballot. none of them switched over and voted for mccarthy. lauren boebert put the name of kevin hern from oklahoma out there. josh brecheen fellow oklahomaen voted for -- matt gaetz voting for trump. you also have again, victoria sparks from indiana, taking to voting present. so it just adds up to that number of 21. 21 republicans who have been unwilling now consistently to vote for kevin mccarthy. and if he's going to become speaker, numerically he could

avoid for, voting for somebody besides him. if that happens, if four voted for a name other than kevin mccarthy, every other republican, all others on this list, would then have to vote for mccarthy. they couldn't vote present. they couldn't abstain. you would have four turning around and voting for somebody else. and you look at the names on the list, the comments they have been making in public and frankly some of the actions they are taking, it is not difficult to see four right away. think last night when mccarthy was trying to adjourn the house last night, and giving that talk now, trying to adjourn it now, biggs voted against that, boebert voted against, that crane voted against. that gaetz voted against that. that thing only succeeded by a whisker last night and there were two democrats who just didn't vote. if those democrats had voted, that motion to adjourn last night would have gone down in flames. so just based on that, that right there, would be the limit of what mccarthy could afford to

lose in a vote for speaker. and there's so much more. you got bob good, bob good is saying i will never, ever vote for -- >> he said stop asking me because it is literally never going to happen. >> and that would be, again, five, if there are five who are dug in, that much, as long as all of the democrats continue to vote for hakeem jefferys, if there are five that are dug in at the bob good level, it seems that way, there is no math for kevin mccarthy. >> thank you. brendan buck, let me go to you. what is mccarthy's move here? what are you hearing from the folks you're talking on the capitol hill regarding the next phase of leadership? >> the fact that there is enough people who don't want to even adjourn shows threw are enough people who don't want to have progress. and kevin mccarthy right now wants to take a break. he's been negotiating with people, he wants to bring them in a room, and a couple of reasons, one to advance progress, and one, to also show the rest of the conversation, hey, i want you to know what i'm

doing. i want to read in the rest of the conversation so they have some level of transparency of what is going on. but also to show those people that he is negotiating with that he's getting way over his skis, and remember there are a lot of people in this conversation who are not going to like the kind of stuff that kevin mccarthy is already giving away and some of the people who are asking for things probably need to see that their colleagues are not very happy. they need to see that kevin mccarthy is already extending himself. and he probably can't go any further. there is not a whole lot further he could go. he is giving lots of things away. but kevin mccarthy can't even get to that point. he can't get to have a conference meeting to try to make progress, because there are, as was just said, there are people who don't want kevin mccarthy to be speaker, they don't want progress. i promise you, they put up four votes last night as a show of strength saying if we wanted to, we could put up another one to stop you and that's what they're doing right now, they're putting up enough votes to stop a motion to adjourn, eventually they will have to give in and it reminds you that there are some people who are negotiating perhaps in good faith and there are some

people who don't want there to be a deal because they don't want kevin mccarthy to ever be speaker. >> kevin mccarthy's game plan to this point, and brendan knows this well, he is willing to be in this for weeks, right? if there is any sign that kevin mccarthy is willing to back off, that's the ball game, right? i mean that's it. his whole strategy, the whole point of his strategy, is to say i am not moving a muscle, even in the face of these republican so-called rebels, also not moving a muscle. are we in this until february, and in other words, when does the possibility of this like again, so-called consensus candidate, steve scalise, somebody, somebody who would be more palatable to the majority of the republican conference, 218 members, when does that start to become more of a conversation point? >> i think what you're seeing play out right now is the lack of a plan that just, i will use the term chaos caucus. they don't have a plan, and of

their they're simply operating on the agenda of taking down the establishment and they believe kevin mccarthy represents and what they're doing is hurting the american people because without a functioning house, there are no constituent services and no committees and i can't imagine, although i don't know, this going into february, because at some point the american people will watch this and get frustrated and fed up and for the gaetzs and the boeberts of the world, who are telling everybody, they are fighting for the american people, they're not. they're just not. >> i would like you to stand by, along with the rest of our team, and reporters and analysts, i want to bring in somebody who might give us some clarity, bruce westerman of arkansas, who supported kevin mccarthy on all eight ballots so far. congressman-elect, thank you very much for being on the show this afternoon. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> let me pose the same question to you that we've been talking about on the air. what is going to be different if this heads into ballot number nine? this is an eighth frankly embarrassing defeat for kevin mccarthy. what is going to move the needle here?

what is going to change moving forward? >> well, i think there are a lot of discussions that are happening in the background, and eventually, we'll get this worked out, and i don't know how long it will take, but it is something that is obviously very important to country, and it is also important that we are talking about a governing body, in the united states that you can't let 10% of a group dictate to the other 90% what's going to happen. so that's how i believe there is going to be a strong resistance to not going with kevin mccarthy. and i'm one of the people that's going to continue voting for kevin mccarthy, because this has become more than just about the speaker's race, it is more than about kevin mccarthy, but it's about having a role in a form of government where the majority rules and you respect that and you move on. and also, there is a team in the locker room. there is a lot of talk about what needs to happen and what should happen, but we've got to get on the field if we're going to make anything happen and

right now everyone is sitting in the locker room talking about what should be done. so i'm ready to get past this and get on to the people that the people have sent us here to do. >> there is an interesting dynamic in the colleagues of the republican conference, there is 90/10, not to be held, 90% of the conference, by 10% of members-elect. but there is a risk that if kevin mccarthy makes too many concessions, to these so-called rebels, that he could alienate some moderates. are there things that kevin mccarthy could do that would be a bridge too far for you? >> well, so far, the rules that we've got are actually good rules and i think they will even strengthen mccarthy as speaker, because it is putting limits and side boards on how much power the speaker has. so that when the speaker is negotiating with the senate in the future, the speaker can say i can't do that, i can't take a massive omnibus, you know, two days before it is time to vote on it, and i think we'll do

things like pass the appropriation bill, and send a cr to the senate, and say pass the bill, and send them back, or pass the cr and send it back. and put the pressure on the senate, rather than the house getting jammed by the senate all the time. so there are some things in the rules if i go back, and i think they're actually going to make the speaker's office more effective, so a lot of us don't have any problem with the rules, but it is becoming more about than just the rules. >> are you prepared for this to go weeks, potentially congressman? and if so, do you have concerns about national security? >> that's a concern. that's why we need to get this moving forward. but it's also about the fact that 10% can't dictate to the 90%. and i'm here for as long as it takes to make sure that doesn't happy. >> congressman-elect, thank you. the floor is formally announcing the tally.

we will listen in. >> i would like to nominate kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. >> the gentleman is recognized. >> kevin mccarthy has been our leader for the past four years, and has overwhelming support within this conference. my intent today is to address the american people who have been watching these proceedings -- >> the house is not in order. [ gavel ]. >> my intent today is to address the american people who have been watching these proceedings and are concerned about what they have seen in this chamber over the past two days. i am a member of the house freedom caucus. and i am proud to say so. i believe the 20 members that have nominated an alternate

candidate have expressed their concerns with leadership, and many of those concerns have been addressed and accepted by leader mccarthy and this conversation. i believe this battle we are raging must end. kevin mccarthy fully understands that being speaker of the house will not be easy. kevin is aware that any legislation, he would like to pass out of this house, will require support and endorsement from the freedom caucus. this is where i believe we can hold the speaker accountable. kevin has made changes to the house rules at the request of all members. one of those rules changes was the motion to vacate the chair. which nancy pelosi removed four years ago to avoid the scrutiny

and the accountability. the motion to vacate the chair that has not been offered for a floor vote in over 100 years calls for the removal of the speaker of the house. kevin has reinstated the motion to vacate the chair, which i believe was the right thing to do. this motion allows us, the republican conference, to hold the speaker accountable. the american people gave us, my friends, us, the republicans, the majority, and their vote of confidence, to change the direction of our country. the american people are begging for leadership. because the biden administration certainly has not placed the american people first. kevin mccarthy understands, he understands he must protect that

speaker's gavel, and abide the will of the american people. the decisions we make in the 118th congress are critical to the future of our country. the decisions we make, the legislation we pass, as a republican majority, must have the support of the american people. we have a crisis on every corner in america. and the american people are expecting republicans to bring this much-needed change. we must come together today and implement that change. to those of you outside of washington that are watching, kevin mccarthy, and this republican majority, understand your pain. we understand your pain. we feel it. we understand we must secure our border, and we must unleash our

energy sector and become energy independent, we must curb inflation by reducing spending. and we must support our law enforcement officers, folks. we've got to get crime under control. we must place america and its people first. [ applause ] >> and all this -- [ applause ] >> and all this, my friends, on the republican side, all this, we can do this, all while holding the republican, the biden administration accountable, and the washington bureaucrats who have infringed and abused the rights of the american people and their families long enough. under speaker mccarthy, they will be held accountable. they will be held accountable. so today, let's do what is in

the best interest of the american people, let's get to work, let's elect kevin mccarthy, as speaker of the house, and at the direction of the republican congress. i advance the name of kevin mccarthy as the next speaker of the house for the 118th congress. [ applause ] >> for what purpose does the gentleman from california rise? >> madam clerk, i rise today to nominate hakeem jeffries for speaker of the house. >> the gentleman is recognized. [ applause ] >> vote after vote, democrats stand united and ready to get to work on behalf of the american people, under the leadership of

hakeem jeffries. vote after vote, nomination after nomination, democrats are united. just like we were united when we passed the american rescue plan to get our economy back on track. united when we passed the infrastructure law to rebuild america. united when we capped insulin at $35, passed gun safety legislation, and passed the tap act to help our nation's veterans [ applause ] >> united when democrats passed the chips and science act to bring manufacturing back to america. united when democrats passed the inflation reduction act. to reduce our deficit and protect our environment. democrats are unified to tackle the climb crisis while republicans are mired in their own leadership crisis. madam clerk, house democrats are ready, willing and able to get

to work for the american people. we will do so under leadership of hakeem jefferys who has a plan for the american people. therefore, as vice chair of the democratic caucus, i'm directed by the vote of our caucus to present for election to the office of speaker of the house of representatives for the 118th congress representative-elect from the state of new york, hakeem jeffries. [ applause ] >> for what purpose does the gentleman from montana rise? >> thank you very much, madam clerk, i would like to nominate the name of byron donalds to speaker of the house of representatives. >> the gentleman is recognized. >> let me begin by stating it is an absolute privilege to be here standing and serving with each

and every one of you. i know we have differences of opinions and i know we have differences of agendas that we would like to pursue, but i will tell you, that we all are representing the united states of america, in the best fashion that i know that we truly believe in. so thank you, and it is a privilege. when i walk out every evening, from the office building, i will tell you, that as i look back on the capitol with the lights gleaming up on it, that i recognize the honor, the privilege, and the responsibility that each one of us has taken on to be in this place that we are right now. and obligations that we have to the districts that we represent back home. it is an incredible privilege, but it is also an incredible responsibility, and i do not take it lightly, and i know that

no one in this room does. we are participating in a system that has endured 247 years. through drought and through flood, through world wars, and through a civil war, and some way, we return to this place, year after year, to serve the people of the united states of america. but unfortunately, over the past 15 years, the process that we use has been dramatically broken. the voices that were sent here to equally, to equally represent each of the 435 districts across this nation have become

diminished. this, through the consolidation of power into the hands of the speaker and a fortunate few who happen to serve on the rules committee, which control every aspect of legislation that travels through this body. the debate and the discussion has been all but eliminated. and the balance of us are left to vote yes or no. those are our options. and that is what has led to the disintegration of the relationships that we see across this floor. that is not equal representation, which is guaranteed by our constitution,

and expected by our constituents. we have had more discussion and debate over the last three days than i have participated in on this floor for the last two years. [ applause ] >> and it's helping. it absolutely promotes the collegiality that everyone is striving to obtain. we're having discussions not just within our own party, but amongst each other. as we walk around the store, planning for the legislation that we will need to address, over the next two years, in the 118th congress that sooner or later, yes, sooner or later, we will begin to function as. those are the good days. and guess what, our constituents

think, as they watch us on c-span today, that this is how every day functions. they think that this is how every bill gets addressed in this body. and they will be shocked to learn the ones that you have not disclosed the little nasty secret to, that unfortunately, that's not how it works around this place. that under the current rules, and under the current leadership construction, that on fly-in days, typically monday at the beginning of the week, the leadership on both sides of the aisle negotiate a number of bills, 15 to 20 pieces of legislation, that one democrat and one republican stand on this floor, they discuss momentarily,

and then they say the magic words. without objection, we will pass this by unanimous consent. and there are two people standing on the floor passing pieces of legislation that oftentimes are the naming of buildings that don't really bother anybody or affect one's life, but in many circumstances, spend millions and tens of millions of dollars, that the taxpayers are obligated to cover, and their representative was not even here to vote upon it. and that, my friends, is wrong. it is wrong. [ applause ] >> so yes, we need to have

change. we need to fix this broken system. several of us have taken it upon ourselves to fly in and object to those very bills. not because we are objecting to the bill, but just to force them to be brought out into the daylight. so that everyone can hear about those bills. to force people to come out and vote up or down for those bills. as their constituents believe that they are doing right now. that's just one of the little secrets. and it demonstrates again how broken this system is. last summer, we began to negotiate, a group of us, in good faith, a list of changes,

amendments, to the rules of this body. not to empower ourselves, not to bring personal benefit to ourselves, but to empower you, and you, and you, maxine, and you, and everyone sitting in this chamber equally. there's no rules. i did not use anyone's name. everyone should be -- [ gavel ]. >> excuse me. maxine. >> member, direct your remarks to the chair please. >> i will, madam chair. thank you. thank you. that is so that everyone will have equal representation. equal representation for the districts that elected them. these are not radical deviations from the norm. these are a restoration of the

rules so that that this place can function properly. things like i single subject legislation that most state houses utilize right now, so that we don't have 4,000-page documents that we are given a matter of hours to review, that are filled with many, many subject matters, that are trillions of dollars in cost. rules like germaneness, so that you can actually bring an amendment board on the floor, as long as it pertains to the bill that was originally being addressed. an open rule process, again, so that each individual here can participate in the thing that we were sent here to do, to help collaborate and craft

legislation and work together. that is what we were sent here to do. these are common sense amendments that will restore the process, and give each of us an equal voice. this is how we're going to secure the border. that everyone now i do believe has recognized that there is a problem with. this is how we are going to re-gain energy dominance again. which is not just an economic issue. >> it is a national security issue. this is how we are going to reduce the inflation rate. by working together. but we cannot call it working together, if you cede all of that power to the hands of a few. hoping for this change will not create this change.

and change is uncomfortable. we understand that. but it is not unachievable. and we must make change in this broken system. we must. [ applause ] >> the current leadership that is in place will continue and support the use of earmarks in this body. and that is the goldsen, golden trail to corruption. the golden trail to corruption. it is a way to buy votes and spread money around this body from places outside of this city that leads to bad legislation, and bad decisions. the current leadership i was

told, i should not be so concerned with these suspension bills that get passed every week, because now, they have made an amendment, we keep hearing about these amendments, and the concessions that were made. the concession was that they will not ask for anything to be suspended that cost more than $100 million. now i don't know about the neighborhoods that you live in, but the neighborhood that i live in, $100 million is a lot of money, and my constituents expect me to vote upon $100 million bills and $80 million bills, and $10 million bills, so that they know what in the world is in them and what is going on. and they do not expect them to be passed by unanimous consent with no one on the floor.

i made a living developing property. and as many of you probably know, it takes a while to take a piece of ground from bare earth to a community and my mother, god rest her soul, came after one of my projects, came out to one of my projects, and i had just opened it up, and it had been two years since i had bought the property, and by the time we went out, i had a nice entrance built, and the streets were built, and the streetlights were there, and they were just starting to build homes. and she said, my goodness, matthew, you must really, really be pleased to finally see your project coming up out of the ground. and i said, no, mom, actually i'm pleased that everyone else can see it, because i saw it two

years ago, when i first walked out there. well, i have a vision for this place. that we can restore regular order so that each of us may have the ability to represent our districts and our constituents equally as we move through this process. and then again, at that time, we will be able to call it truly the people's house again. i have been here just two years. and i have watched byron donalds during that time, and previously, as he proudly served in the florida legislature. and i can tell you this. he's a man of intellect. he's a man of integrity. and he's a man that i am proud to nominate as the next speaker

of the house of representatives. [ applause ] >> the reading clerk will call the roll. >> for what purpose does the gentlewoman from colorado rise? >> madam clerk, i rise to nominate hern as speaker of the house. >> the gentlewoman is recognized. >> thank you madam clerk. we have been accused of not having a plan. well we presented many, many plans and are even presenting two plans simultaneously, right now. for speaker of the people's house. i sat in my chair anticipating to vote for byron donalds, whom i respect, whom i see as a leader, and there was a gut check that said we need someone

that is going to convince my colleagues on this side of the aisle that it's time to get going, it's time to build momentum, many of you have said it, you see that kevin mccarthy does not have the votes. you are understanding that he is not going to get there. we have the votes for him, i cannot produce those anymore. the colleagues that i brought with me to offer those 218 votes on the first ballot aren't there anymore. it is not happening. and as it's been said, we need to get to a point where we start evaluating what life after kevin mccarthy looks like. america doesn't want more talk. and i'm going to keep my speech a little short. they want action. i'll take that. i want to get to work too. america is tired of rhetoric and

they want results. this isn't chaos. this is a constitutional republic at work. i'm a mom of four boys. i know what chaos and dysfunction looks like. this is actually a really beautiful thing, to be here, with all of my colleagues, debating, just as the gentleman from montana said, we have not experienced this in the two years that we have served here in washington, d.c. this is the most debate that has taken place, and i love it. i love the conversations that are going on on the floor, in the cloak room, in the halls. there's nothing extreme. there's nothing unreasonable. we're trying to get this right. as my conservative colleagues and i have stated time and time again, congress is broken. and fundamentally needs change. i'm here to get this right. we need a leader that is not of the broken system.

someone who is not beholden to the lobbyists but to the people who sent us here. someone who can unite our party. and most importantly, someone who can deliver on the promises that we have all made to the american people. i believe that there are many people on the floor today that can do just that. i've voted for my friend jim jordan, i voted for my friend byron donalds, i'm voting for kevin hern, the gentleman from oklahoma, mr. hern went from rags to riches, and like myself and many other members, is a small business owner, he has lived the american dream, he's a father, a family man, and as kevin likes to say, he's a conservative, but he's not mad about it.

we can have a happy warrior leading us. i understand that threats have been made about committee assignments that you won't receive committee assignments if you do not vote for kevin mccarthy. that is true, it happened in conference, and that is exactly what we were told. but we don't govern in fear. we govern for the people. on principle. don't be afraid to do the right thing. i believe that kevin hern is a unifier. he just received the chairman of the republican study committee by unanimous consent. this is the largest caucus in our conference. look how many people have already put their trust in kevin hern, to lead them. i get asked by my constituents, where does this go? who can unify the party? who can deliver results? representative kevin hern can do

just that. and i am proud to enter his name into the nomination and i hope that some of you join me. thank you. and i yield back. [ applause ] >> the reading clerk will call the roll. >>

aderholt? mccarthy. aguilar? jeffries. alford? mccarthy. allen? mccarthy. amodei? mccarthy. armstrong? mccarthy. arrington? bacon? mccarthy. baird? mccarthy.

mccarthy. barragan? barragan? jeffries. bean of bentz? mccarthy. bera? jeffries.

mccarthy. biggs? bilirakis? mccarthy. bishop of georgia? jeffries. bishop of north carolina? donalds. blumenauer? jeffries. blunt bonamici? jeffries. bost? mccarthy. bowman? jeffries. boyle of pennsylvania?

jeffries. brecheen? mccarthy. brecheen? hern. brown? jeffries. buck? buck? buschon? mccarthy. budzinski? jeffries. burchett? mccarthy.

burgess? mccarthy. burlison? mccarthy. bush? jeffries. calvert? mccarthy. caraveo? jeffries. carbajal? jeffries. carl? mccarthy. carson? jeffries. carter of georgia? mccarthy. carter of louisiana?

jeffries. carter of casar? jeffries. case? jeffries. casten? jeffries. castor of flard? jeffries. castro of texas? jeffries. chavez-deremer? mccarthy.

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so, with those numbers that you see on the right side of your screen, kevin mccarthy, if this vote old, obviously it's not been gobbled yet, but if these numbers hold, kevin mccarthy will have failed for a ninth time and trying to become speaker of the house. let me bring in steve at the big board and we've been tracking along, no significant flips, nothing is different. we are in groundhog day for the nighttime. >> you can see all of them that have called so far have continued to vote against kevin mccarthy, the one change, lowering lauren if lauren boebert votes for kevin hern,

no change if they all vote for jeffries as a half since every ballot so far, it's mathematically impossible for kevin mccarthy to win on this ballot and it would take us to attend ballot and to put that in historical context, the last time, the speaker's race went past was 100 years ago, it went to nine ballots, with kevin mccarthy failing presumably on this ballot, it will now be the eighth longest vote for speaker, the eighth longest in history, and you can see it has potential to move up with a couple of more ballots. we are getting into territory we haven't been in, in a very long time. >> in other words, since 1833 we haven't seen a speaker's race go this long, right? >> well, 1859, we went 44 ballots, but once you get past

1923, you are basically in the pre-civil war era, that's a we are back into. >> thanks, i will ask you to standby. i'm joined by dan bishop, you heard his name called, he's been voting against mr. mccarthy the last few days. was men elect, thank you for being on the show. >> my pleasure . >> bottom line, we are on the ninth ballot, is there anything kevin mccarthy could say or do or give you to get your support? >> we've got a process that's going on, we are working hard to improve the institution of congress for the american people you know, we are working hard, there's a lot of other stuff that has gone on, also those things are all very sensitive points, so there's just lots of possibilities, and sometimes, in fact the dynamic nature of this process and the fact that it's a good thing for

the american people to work on improving the institutional congress that serves the american people better, it's better if you don't tell the media in advance what the possible outcomes are, but believe me, folks are working hard and there are great possibilities ahead. >> i know there's been some frustration with some members have seen as leaks to the media about some of these concessions but when you say many options, or lots of possibilities, what seems like the most likely possibility to you? these negotiations have been happening even before the last three days, even before mccarthy was having these negotiations and delivering concessions to members of the party. >> yes, concessions is a fair word but the big point is, you are right, the people are working hard to change congress and they've come forward with proposals, we've been working

on that since about july. it took till after the election before anyone wanted to really engage in conversations with us and we've been working since then. it's always amazing, the concern about three days on the flow of floor of the united states house, dealing with this but the nation will survive it, and not with any difficulty. but it's a good thing, not a bad one, and again, the result will be better but for me to name what's going to happen, -- >> i don't -- you all have a crystal ball and i get that. i will move on after this. is there something specific that you personally would like to see that you haven't seen yet? is there a hypothetical example of something on the table that could move the needle. it feels like groundhog day.

>> you know what i keep on saying and you've heard me say, is about changing the institution of congress, this is exactly what we should do. i respect you for asking the question. i spent a whole career in private sector where negotiations were held tight so that you didn't damage the prospect of their success. i won't answer you not because i don't have an answer or because i don't want to answer you, because your viewers are interested. but what they should trust and i think most folks of goodwill understand, if you have a trustworthy process, you are likely to resolve it and end it well. >> i hear you on that. is there any concern that as these negotiations and these ballots continue to happen, that some of the more moderate members of your party could end up working across the aisle with let's say, democrats. has that been a concern in your mind at all? >> part of the issue is this process is one in which you are

seeking to gain benefit for the american people but you are managing risks. all of the risks are appropriate to take into consideration. i would want to manage that risk. is there any chance, i think it's a low chance, and i think we are going to get to a result that is an improvement for the country. >> is there somebody else who you would like to see as speaker? mccarthy doesn't have the speaker, who, besides byron donalds? steve scalise, is that somebody you can get behind? >> you keep asking me how i would end up and i keep telling you that would damage the process to tell you. >> i hear what you are saying, i have to ask, it's literally part of my job. >> understood. >> i've been asking members about this over the last 24 hours not spoken with members

who are on the intel community that have concerns about this. they say there are some real national security risks and potential consequences not having a functioning house of representatives. i know congressman elect donald has suggested that the president can handle any issues, where are you on this? you have concerns about what could happen? >> for three days? >> you think it hasn't been long? >> i think the folks that talked about the historical precedent back in 1856, yeah, that's not going to happen here, in my view. so i think the risk, that is an outlier as a potential problem and among the risks that you managed but i believe that one, that comes from people who don't want congress to change . they want to keep doing the same thing, in the same way and seeing the same bad result for reasons that are motivated out of concern for issues