they say there are some real national security risks and potential consequences not having a functioning house of representatives. i know congressman elect donald has suggested that the president can handle any issues, where are you on this? you have concerns about what could happen? >> for three days? >> you think it hasn't been long? >> i think the folks that talked about the historical precedent back in 1856, yeah, that's not going to happen here, in my view. so i think the risk, that is an outlier as a potential problem and among the risks that you managed but i believe that one, that comes from people who don't want congress to change . they want to keep doing the same thing, in the same way and seeing the same bad result for reasons that are motivated out of concern for issues other

than the country. . >> i appreciate your time. dateline white house picks up with nicole right now. it's 4:00 in new york and yes, it's groundhog day, the crisis in the house of representatives and the united states of america is in its third day. there still no speaker of the house of representatives which means there are no members of the house of representatives. that despite and evening of negations. kevin mccarthy has lost eight votes to be speaker and is on track right now to lose the ninth vote. that's despite making a series of unbelievable concessions, things that were off the table sunday night and into monday, to the holdouts in his car gets caucus, a major allowance to the hard right republicans, he

said he would lower the number from 5 to 1. he said he previously not accept that. congress and matt gaetz, he nominated donald trump for the speakership and described the power to remove the speaker as anyone, anywhere, anytime, raising questions about whether anybody whether it's mccarthy or somebody else can remain speaker for long. mccarthy has not moved the needle at all. he's failed to persuade anyone of the members who have been refusing to vote for him and vote after vote after vote over the past three days. the dysfunction that's playing out on capitol hill today, and we will debate if that's the right word anymore, on the second anniversary of the attack on the u.s. capitol is

raising questions about the future of the republican party or if it should have a future. the new york times says after two days of chaos, republicans have made it clear who's leading their party, absolutely no one. from the halls of congress to the ohio statehouse, to the backroom dealings of the republican national committee. the party is confronting an identity crisis and seen in decades with no unified legislative agenda, no cleared leadership, republicans find themselves mired in intraparty warfare, defined by a fringe element that seems more eager to tear down the house then to rebuild the foundation of a political party that has faced disappointment in the past three national elections. with us at the table my friend alecia menendez and our good friend basil michael director of the public policy program,

garrett haig, back again with us, from a republican congressman david jolly, we are the hotel california, you can check out but you can never leave, what is happening right now, garrett? >> our house historian kyle stewart tells me there's never been a speaker elected on the ninth ballot and there won't be this year, either. mccarthy is once again set up for defeat again. this will probably be the last load of the day in terms of the speaker vote but not the last of the week. both republican faction of 20 who is keeping mccarthy's feet to the fire and democrats are perfectly happy to keep this going again tomorrow. it gets dicier as it gets into the weekend since none of the members were expecting to be here, even close to this long.

the action hasn't really been on the floor today. it's been about 100 yards off of it and down a flight of stairs in the office of tom m hurd, he's the incoming whip should it ever come into full existence, and it's in that office where we've had meetings all day long between some of these republican holdouts and some of mccarthy's top allies trying to him hammer out in an agreement not just on the concessions made last night but i think, the sense i'm getting is the bigger problem here may just be guaranteeing what's in an agreement really sticks. they are concerned that they will be retaliated against. they are concerned that if he makes an agreement now, they will change it later. the ability that he has to be buddies with everybody, promise a little bit of something to everybody, that has gotten him this close to the speakership, also makes him uniquely untrustworthy, and that seems to be the challenge, and that's

the other thing we are saying, this divergence between those who seem sincere-ish and their willingness to get to an agreement with mccarthy i would put chip roy maybe scott perry in that camp, they are saying less and negotiating more behind closed doors. on the other side are lauren boebert, matt gaetz, machine, those voting for donald trump or kevin hern, they seem to be trying to convey two things, that they are really committed to not ever voting for kevin mccarthy and i think by nominating hern trying to open the door to somebody who might be more acceptable to the party then byron donald has been, hern lisa largest caucus within

the republican party, the republican study group and they're trying to throw open the doors and invite more dissenters over and see if they can get any momentum behind somebody else who isn't kevin mccarthy. so a divergence in the strategy opposed to mccarthy and mccarthy is trying to play along game largely off the floor with his lieutenants doing a lot of the talking on his behalf. >> once he has given away the one-vote threshold, what was left and if you give that away and you still don't get any votes out of it, what is the point? >> is a fair question, what's left depends on which one of these holdout numbers you ask, some of them want to be on the rules committee, some want to see the freedom caucus members or their allies and one of the top subcommittee posts on the appropriations committee so they can control spending. if someone guarantees votes on specific things like getting rid of the income tax or building a border while wall.

on your point about the motion to vacate, this is the overarching challenge for mccarthy, every progress he makes makes him or anybody else elected speaker, it's clear that whoever will get to to 18 is going to have to live by these promises, too, once they are on the table, they have less and less power to advantage anything in the speakership. we might find ourselves where every day in congress starts with a prayer, the pledge and a vote on vacating the chair from some disaffected republican. >> i think that's the best and smartest prediction of exactly what they plan to look like for the rest of the country. that's exactly the point that they've made clear, they've not done it and hiding, they are not the ones in a back room. they are saying most of this in the interviews they are doing.

what was it, was it just for you know what and giggles that gates nominated trump today? >> that's about it. think he is trying to highlight the fact that he is not going to be moved on this and that he thinks anyone literally anyone, under federal investigation anybody would be better than mccarthy. >> says kevin mccarthy still want the job? >> if he doesn't, he's subjecting himself to an awfully bad week for a job he doesn't want. the thing you have to understand is how close he feels like he came to getting this job in 2015 and housing early his focus has been on

seeking it in those intervening years. this is someone who's put blinders on to almost everything else, to get 90% of the votes he needs but not 100% of them is unacceptable. and i think we talked about this yesterday, he's also getting propped up by a lot of other members who don't want to be held hostage by the 10% either. i don't think they would let him back down in this moment, even if he wanted to, which he does not, clearly. >> 2015 was a pretty long time ago, he's had eight years to negotiate with these members. what did he not know -- it's not eight outliers, what did he not know about this 21, before tuesday? >> i think he underestimated the depth of the distress they have for him. kevin mccarthy is an operator and i don't mean that in a negative sense. he is a professional washington operator and politician. and i think he probably believes most of the members of his conference are the same, and that's not the case. many of these people are absolute true believers who

will shut the government down or who will let the u.s. default on the debt limit if it makes the point. and i don't think mccarthy was ever someone who truly believed that. he was operating in this leadership, space that so many of his predecessors have. understanding the motivations of so many of them is what got him as close as he is right now. i also think he made a fatal mistake by not having these fights like the second week of november, when they knew they were going to have the majority, and really try and lock in these votes early. nancy pelosi was a long way from having the votes to be speaker when democrats won the majority in 2018 but by christmas of that year, she had it.

and certainly by the beginning of 19 when she was sworn in, the question was over. mccarthy appears to have squandered time by not locking in these votes as early as he possibly could. >> for those of us keeping a list, can we go through everything he's given away? on tuesday, against one member being able to boot him out, he's now for that, he was against committing to not having outside business interests run ads against some of these insurrection adjacent or enthusiastic candidates. take me through what you understand to be the things he's agreed to give? >> those are the two big ones, the motion to vacate basically the snap judgment on the speaker was a big one, not having his super pack play in save republican open seats primaries, which would allow presumably more of these kind of antiestablishment candidates to win in those races where he's been trying to turn the party back in a slightly different direction. that was big. the problem with giving you a comprehensive list is that it keeps changing.

and a lot of this is on a rules package that has to get rewritten, that has to go back through and again, different sets of folks are going to have different interpretations of what they think the agreement is. placing members on the rules committee is a big one. the rules committee is so exoteric and not part of the way that most normal human beings think about anything congress does. basically anything that happens in the house and any other committee or in a leadership office still has to go through the committee before it goes to the floor. they get the final say on what legislation makes it to the floor and whether or not there will be amendments on that. we have not had an open rule in the house, in years and years, going back i don't even though the last speaker that allowed open rules was, it wasn't speaker pelosi or speaker ryan. the freedom caucus has been fighting for that. and it would make it harder to get some of the ultraconservative things they

want, too. if you haven't open rule, democrats and moderates can offer amendments. i mean in some ways the effort to democratize this process, it'll weaken the people fighting for it anyway. so, it's a mess, nicolle, that's the bottom line. and in the classic capital clichi, it's quite clear there's not a deal on anything until there's a deal on everything and that is complicated when you've got all these you know, independent contractors essentially, in this group of 20 negotiating for their own priorities. >> you've been so generous with your time. i have one more question. we cover this and i know i wake up every morning and i was heartened when i saw the stories, a big breakthrough, he gave away everything in the next speaker will be impotent. is it clear everyone wants the same thing? does everyone wants this to end question >> everyone in that group of 20? >> does everyone and power

assessment >> i don't know that that is clear, and that is part of the challenge, any group of four individuals has a significant amount of power. we joked about this when we started to see with the outlines of this house majority was going to look like. every member in this majority could be a joe manchin, and joe manchin, still at least wanted to work with democrats, he disagreed on many policy prescriptions they had but he was willing to work with them, and that's not the case here in the house. you've got people who have never served in the majority, or in a legislative body and don't feel any loyalty to any institution all negotiating for different things. so i don't think -- i wouldn't feel comfortable saying that everybody in this discussion once this to end, this fight is serving the interests of some of these folks who are earning lots of money on it.

i got a fundraising email from andy biggs about how he's standing up to the washington elite. there are plenty of people who are not keen to end this anytime soon. >> garrett, you are always our eyes and ears. you are doing extraordinary journalism for us. thank you very much. david jolly, i think the last thing that garrett explained was important, we cover this, the 20 people in charge, the people in charged are the insurrectionists, the wax, the kooks and marjorie taylor greene, they don't want it to

end, so it won't. what do we do about that? >> they are, and understand they been trying for a long time to be in charge so they will not let it go easily because as soon as they let this moment ago, and regular order, even with some of these concessions, they still aren't going to have the same control. a french philosopher said, in the face of an impossible or immovable object, stubbornness is stupid. that is being tested by both sides. mccarthy needed to demonstrate that he could move voters, and he couldn't, so now the question is where do we go from here? in that group, and that 20 or 21, there really are two factions, there are those willing to consider moving towards cabin and that there are those who absolutely will not. and trust as garrett said, that's one of the biggest currency come in the true never kevin crowd, the issue is trust, no confession that you can give them because they don't trust that kevin will come through with it. kevin's option right now is to show that he can move people. maybe he can move a few but he

can't move five or six of them. and the option for the true never kevin's is to put up your numbers and show us who is the coalition because if you truly have five that say we are not moving, boebert, biggs, bates, good, maybe gosar, that's it you take the blood oath and you say we are not moving, the power dynamic shifts. one of them has to shift the power dynamic. the question is who can go first. >> marjorie taylor greene is all and for kevin mccarthy which david jolly gets us back to everything that's been given away. what are your concerns for the body when you look at the concessions that have been made reportedly by kevin mccarthy? >> this is interesting because in some ways what they are asking for, does actually empower all members but in this environment, empowering those members means empowering insurrectionists, and powering people that will default on the u.s. debt, this is absolute chaos. and it also means using the levers of the congress with this prayer corrupt bargain that

mccarthy has struck. he said we are not going to impeach the dhs secretary and now he says they are. he's going to let marjorie taylor greene go after dr. fauci. he's given away the integrity of the institution for his own political purposes. is it enough? it may not be. there's not a pathway unless truly you can get to the core five, that are saying they will never trust him. now understand, if one of those five were to move, they are in a lot of trouble back home. picture the environment where they have stood, where lauren boebert has said this is it, this is the redline, i'm having my moment. if she were to change her mind, she's done, she's primaried. >> i appreciate no one using the word rebels on this broadcast. they are not rebels creating chaos, there insurrectionists

continuing the work they began on january sixth. >> this is a long tail and i think part of the reason that other republicans were willing to go along with them was the idea that government didn't work, the capitol hill wasn't able to execute. what i'm hearing today, it feels fundamentally different is republicans who are in the mccarthy camp saying we look back to our constituents. >> and our donors! >> they sent us here because we made promises on crime, immigration, there's a series of things, they now want more from us than this, so i think there's something interesting happening of the republican party where they are worried that the action of these extremists, is back splashing on them separately.

>> there's no way to fix this. >> there's no way to fix this. i stopped asking this question, is this the thing that changes everything? >> and yet, because i'm so desperate to see forward movement, i do often wonder is something an inflection point. is is the point where you say we have no clear theory of governance, no legislative agenda, let's at least get together and find something that is not in the next two years beyond that, we can use as our northstar so we can explain who we are. but right now they have nothing to coalesce around. >> the history of the catastrophic consequences of appeasement has been written by historians much smarter than me but i know enough to know it didn't work and kevin mccarthy has spent eight years appeasing the most vile elements of the republican party. >> i want to shout out the

house clerk. got to shout her out. they are doing yeoman's work in making sure these votes are counted and i don't know if anyone gives them credit for it. >> sometimes it sounds like a british version right, it's getting rowdy in there. they are the only people in the world that can hold the room. >> they are holding it together. >> to your point, from a nonpartisan standpoint, this is about leadership. as garrett said, how many promises has mccarthy made to how many people and now some of those same people are saying i can't trust you. so when you look at what's happening on the democratic side with pelosi and jeffries, they are like that's what leadership is all about and every time i see someone get up and nominate kevin mccarthy a look at mccarthy and i say, he is politically being flamed,

every time someone gets up to nominate him because all you are hearing is bit by bit how much power he's not going to have if he gets that position or anybody else, and what you see on the democratic side, every time someone gets up to talk about jeffries is these are what the democrats have done for the country. i hope the american people are really paying attention to this, and for the small group of people who are holding up the process, for all of what happened on january 6th which was an attack from without, i consistently worry that if they get their way we are going to see the attack within, based on rule changes, based on concessions that were being given to any speaker that comes up, that they are trying to fundamentally change how this government works and we are going to see a different kind of attack may be a more silent one, germinate from within the halls of the capital. >> nicolle you asked a good

question, does kevin mccarthy even want this job anymore, and sort of putting aside egos, i think you could expand the question to say, does anybody want this job because whomever it is whether it's mccarthy or these other names, they come into this position hobbled -- >> and gait said that straitjacket, and they have a very slim majority that is not just fragile, it's volatile, and there are big stakes, when you talk about funding the u.s. government, when you talk about the debt ceiling, we are talking about economic peril that americans will understand, they will understand the consequences of this congress not being able to function and they will put that back on republicans. >> they will understand it quickly even if this all just looks like a hot mess. no one's going anywhere, there's so much more to talk about. it's 4:23, we didn't get to what today is, we are that you

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smirk this week and covering the republicans self-inflicted humiliation. almost 2 years ago to the day since the attack on the u.s. capitol, we are all witnessing people hijacking the driver seat, think of the names we've heard, kevin mccarthy, he voted against the certification of joe biden's victory, byron donald, jim jordan, yep, they did too, along with every other republican nominated through these nine ballots. the block of 20 republicans holding the nomination process hostage, of those in congress last term, all but one voted against certification of the election. it's a pill may be harder to swallow when you consider the whitewashing underway in the u.s. capitol right now. washington post reports references to the attack are nowhere to be seen in the capital visitors center newly

renovated exhibition hall. the attack is not mentioned in the pre-tour video and tour guides are silent on the topic, quote, they have been told to refer to january 6th only of questions on a tour. it's a policy that reflects a country at odds with itself. the visitor center has no plans to mark tomorrow second anniversary of the attack, there's an entirely different story at president joe biden's white house. we learned the president will deliver remarks at a ceremony where he will award the presidential citizens medal to 12 individuals who made exemplary contributions to our democracy surrounding january 6th. if you watch the january 6th committee hearings, you will know some if not all of these names. the award goes to people like michael fanone, jocelyn benson, ruby freeman and shay moss,

joining us now congressman madeline dean, she's for now, congresswoman elect , how's it going up there? >> well you are seeing groundhog day over and over again. we've gone through a ninth vote for speaker of the house. mr., that such dysfunction since 1923 or 1855. but this was completely predictable. i've known for years that mr. mccarthy does not have the support to become the speaker because he's not a leader. he has given away the store. at every turn, you and i have talked about so many chances to lead, at every turn mr. mccarthy chose not to lead and it's not falling entirely on him. he now has a caucus filled with disruptors, folks who would rather push the big lie, who

would not want to recognize the devastation of january 6th, who are perfectly happy there is no mention of january 6th on the tour. so we are seeing an extra in a contrast between our caucus who now nine times has voted 212 unified votes for the most talented leader in our caucus, hakeem jeffries versus the other side which has a bunch of folks that are just malcontents, keep choosing people that are not prepared to lead and of course mr. mccarthy is not prepared to lead . >> do you care if mccarthy wins or not? do you view him as better/different than anyone else on the menu and do you understand who else might even be on the menu? >> i don't know other than the three names that were called in the last series of votes, one was the former president, imagine that. it sent shockwaves through the colleagues i was sitting too, recognizing that tomorrow marks

two years since the former president incited an insurrection and an attempt to overthrow his own government. the other two members, i had to look them up, one is a one term member, the other, i'm not sure how long he's been in but neither has distinguished himself. mr. mccarthy is extraordinarily weak, i hope you got speaker because he will not be able to govern his caucus. the other two are unknown. >> what often happens on the right is people say we've got a get kevin over the line because if you think of is bad, what's next is worse. watching mccarthy's conduct after january 6th where we know his personal views were not dissimilar to ours, he thought donald trump had to go, and then he single-handedly resurrected donald trump's political life by making a pilgrimage to mar-a-lago. arguably no one has done more to infect the republican party

with trump-ism then mccarthy. is there any satisfaction in watching him fail, after making such a calculated bet? >> i take no satisfaction, absolutely none. what bothers me most, i have my family here for swearing in day as many others had and many still have family here. they were proud to be here, to see us sworn into this institution, of course, that never happened and that's why you have to call me congresswoman elect. i worry for the american people. i take no satisfaction in the failure of mr. mccarthy, and recognize, this is an infection within the republican party, you are a student of it. you were a leader in the party but you recognized the infection that has taken place and it comes before mr. trump but certainly mr. trump as of june 16th when he came down that escalator and began the story of running for public office taste on lies and self- promotion and swindling others,

that was the beginning of the end for this republican party and you see now mr. mccarthy, to your word, appeasement, has at every turn abused those who are absolutely not credible public servants. look at the floor time, the airtime that some of these extraordinarily fringe members who do not understand our constitution have been given. sadly, again, i don't take any satisfaction in the fact that mr. mccarthy can pull it together. i desperately want the republican party to hold it together. because for the next two years we are going to do our best to push forward all of the things that we passed in the past four years. >> what do you think happens next? >> i think this is going to go on a little while. but at some point, they will pull it together.

what i would recommend is mr. mccarthy come across the aisle and say to leader jeffries, what clearly you have the votes here, naming mr. jeffries. if they were smart, they would come across the island say you are prepared to lead. we will do what we can in our dysfunction to work with you. i don't think that's going to happen but that's what should happen. >> you been so generous with your time. i want to ask you about this tragic anniversary tomorrow of january 6th. the committee's work really culminated in the guts of their investigation coming out, a lot alecia and i were angry, every hour that new details dropped, not just of the knowledge of the corrupt plan to overturn the result of the election but the willingness of many of those republicans now in the majority, to participate in it. do you think that we will ever get to the bottom of their

roles? >> i do. i commend the committee, as you know i was in impeachment manager, and i thought we had done very good work in the short period of time we had but what our committee did in 18 months time, with an extraordinary team of lawyers and staff and videographers, et cetera, they've created an important history. i believe it will be studied for a long time but really, what needs to happen now is accountability. i'm really mindful of tomorrow, as you might imagine, having been here two years ago, our caucus is going to commemorate tomorrow. we will not let it be forgotten. i've spoken to the washington post and others, to say the tourers should remember this

day, january 6th, for how precious our democracy is, how valuable it is, but how vulnerable it can be, if we whitewash it, if we do not remember our history, we will be doomed to repeat it. so, i will be here, whether we are voting or not, and i will commemorate it, i know we will commemorate it in philadelphia, so it'll take a long time but we need accountability and the full facts. >> there are some prominent folks from your state that will be recognizing it. congresswoman elect, i've never called you that before, madeline dean. >> i mean, alecia the split screen didn't have to be, the republicans controlled for the first time in a couple of years now, what the public is seeing and they could, there are people in the country who would like to vote for republicans who would like to see arguments made, there are voters out there who would like to be given reasons to support republicans. there are none coming from washington. mitch mcconnell gave them the only reason i being with joe biden, but there is this, i

don't arrive any satisfaction from the dysfunction, i do believe that we shouldn't cover it as chaos or a blip, this was the plan all along. this was what they wanted the world to see, and that's sick, i'm sure the only other people cheering what america looks like now is just in moscow. the idea that there is something that will culminate in governing again pay >> you use the term identity crisis, and i think we've been talking about the republican party having an identity crisis for the last 10 years. i think we are watching just how messy and how public that is. i also think what you are watching and the reason i'm happy you are talking about january 6th, is this is all connected. >> these weren't too wild days. >> there are multiple ways to undermine democracy, you can undermine democracy by attempting to steal a free and

fair election, you can undermine democracy with a violent insurrection at the u.s. capitol, you can also undermine democracy by saying, this is an institution that has functioned in a certain way for a certain period of time, and we are going to pull apart at the functioning of that because we are not fundamentally interested. i mean, they are not disparate things, they are all connected. >> kevin mccarthy knew that, the argument that he is making right now, the 10% don't have the right to overrule the 90%. how about the majority of americans that voted for president joe biden? >> if they did not come back from these midterms saying, we've got to get our acts together, one of our theories has been either there would be legal accountability and we would see that and that would somehow be a change of course or we would see electoral

accountability and that was not enough. >> you need shame for that and they have no shame. >> i want to tell our viewers what will happen. the ninth ballot is being tallied and what is it called, verified, making sure no one wants to change several, we are waiting to hear the final results, i don't think anyone has planned to change. kevin mccarthy has not gained any votes but others did, they picked up three this time. kevin mccarthy is still a long, long way away in the ninth ballot, to winning the vote to be speaker. we are still waiting, nobody knows what is going to happen next. we will also show you what the new democratic leader had to say about all of this, hthat's nex don't go anywhere.

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all we are asking is house republicans to get along with each other. so we can get about the american businesses. >> this is a dangerous moment for americans and for the world . is one of the reasons that congress needs to organize. there are public health vulnerabilities. it's one of the reasons why the congress needs to organize and republicans need to get their act together. >> we are so lucky to be back with alecia melendez and david jolly, i've listened to that a couple of times from this morning and it reminds me that seen in jerry mcguire that scene, help me help you. help me help you. and you can tell even the democrats, i believe congresswoman elect dean when she says i derive no satisfaction from that. this is

no good for the country. >> we talk about how did kevin mccarthy end up in the situation, it's because he never anticipated such a small majority. he would get to injured ignore the crazy caucus -- >> david, they are gobbling, let's listen in. will come back to you after this. >> the tellers agreed in their tallies that the total number of votes cast is 432. of which the honorable hakeem jeffries of the state of new york has received 212. the

honorable kevin mccarthy of the state of california has received 200. the honorable byron donalds of the state of florida has received 17. the honorable kevin hern of the state of oklahoma has received 3. with one recorded as present. no member elect having received a majority of the votes cast as speaker, a speaker has not been

elected. for what purpose does the gentleman from arizona rise? >> madam claire, i rise to nominate kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. >> the gentleman is recognized. >> thank you madam clerk. >> here we go again david jolly. >> nicolle every time we see them go to another ballot means one of two situations, either they don't have a deal to adjourn which is most likely or they are biding time because they are close to a deal. nothing would suggest they are close to a deal so they probably don't have the votes to adjourn. when you are showing the sound from hakeem jeffries, here's why democrats want to get to

work, it's the converse of how mccarthy ended up in the situation. mccarthy, even if he becomes speaker, meets the democrats, they will not be able to govern without jeffries and the democratic caucus. there is a very good opportunity for democrats to work on legislation that they want to deliver to the american people. will it reflect the biden agenda? >> of course not because the republicans are in the majority. it means setting certain guardrails and funding certain initiatives, democrats will get to exercise some influence over those priorities, so this will be a very good year for the democrats in the minority, that's not always the case.

and i don't expect any deal making to talk earlier today about some kind of compromise. i don't think that's necessary. with whom do you even compromise? >> i don't know. we don't have parliamentary elections. we can't form that kind of coalition government. heart attack heart attack is right to stay his ground and say

look, we're ready to do the business of this country. and again, i go back to an earlier point. that contrast, that juxtaposition is incredibly important. what americans see are democrats that are unified, even if they don't always agree, they with unified where republicans are content withholding everything up. >> right. it is an idealogically vast party. what they have in common is they fundamentally believe government can be an engine for good. the extent to which they believe that may be different. they may have different policy position, but they are unified in that position. additionally to a point that i believe garrett was making earlier about how mccarthy, had he been serious about this should have been organizing and having these fights in november. jeffries did. jeffries did the organizing that was necessary to make sure that the party was unified going their vote. >> so it's competence, but it's also a party that -- and i haven't found the perfect words to articulate this yet. but it's a party that still believes in its intended

purpose. the republican party is not that. it doesn't believe it is there in the majority to govern. it has already set -- and this is why i can't understand what's happening. what do you need a back room for? it's all happening on fox news. he has already promised to investigate hunter biden. he has already given in to the country's weakest leadership in the country. what they want to do is not govern. >> if you have shame and humility, you understand what you're doing is about people, and it's about the service as opposed to taking those 20 folks who did not vote for mccarthy as being focused on their individuality, and that individuality meaning it's about me taking control and having power. and by the way, also fulfilling what they thought was the continuation of that big lie that also happened on january 6th. >> it's not even individuality, though. it almost is like pet projects. it is my associations with the proud boys who protect me, matt gaetz when i go home to florida.

it's my party that protects me because i'm a little worried i committed some crimes. this is the bottom of the bottom of the barrel of people governing under the banner of republicans. >> and looking ahead two years, what is desantis thinking about all of this? >> oh, you know what desantis is thinking. >> he is trying to figure out, i have to work with these people? how does that work? >> see, i have a slightly different take. he is not even there yet. >> he came from the caucus. >> he got sworn in this week. and what is half his speech about? it's about the fact that he paints washington as this place of dysfunction and says oh, don't worry. everything works perfectly here in florida. he of all people is actually benefitting most from what republicans are doing right now. >> david jolly, you have kids, have i kids. they go to disneyland.

matt gaetz looks like he is a kid at disneyland if we can find a pictures. he is enjoying this. what do you make -- this is so on brand for republicans. this isn't a crisis. this is who they are. >> in a pure political lens, it's hard for us to see it this way, but lauren boebert is having a moment right now. she might be the one who topples kevin mccarthy if she is out there as the face of this. or matt gaetz might be. which is why they're not going to give this up. which is why their next move might be to show your cards. who is the top five people who will topple kevin mccarthy? that is a drug to politicians. this conversation we're having is so important. the reason republicans are here and democrats are where they are is because in the last six years to decade, however long, democrats have built a traditional coalition that says we want to reduce the cost of health care, make education more

accessible. we want fairness in criminal justice. we want all these things that main street and families across the country want. republicans have built a coalition built on white nationalists, people who want to burn down the government. and that's how you end up in a position where there is no negotiating right now because it's not a traditional coalition. nancy pelosi had just a slim majority when she was the speaker. she didn't have these problems because they had rational conversations about policy, and they agreed to move the country together as a caucus. that's not today's republican party, but they chose this direction. they created this impasse. >> there is not a -- we should not conflate anything on the scale of moderation and extremism idealogically speaking. they all voted to overturn the results of the 2020 election. kevin mccarthy and matt gaetz both. >> i think sort of the distinction that we're making are between people who maybe want to legislate and people who are busy building their personal brand. it is telling to me that they

have republicans in congress that they think the thing that is going to break through to boebert is the fact that she is now getting pounded on conservative media. >> sean hannity last night, didn't get pounded at all. >> oh, do we have someone in leadership who is going to bend her ear? no. it's their sense that somehow this ecosystem and her desire to be held in high regard with this ecosystem is going to carry her through. >> and that doesn't end. that's not a fever that breaks that is who they are and how alicea, quick break for all of us. the buffalo bills are holding a press conference right now. we'll fill you in on that other big story this week. don't go anywhere. k. don't go anywhere. and this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication.

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president trump won this election so everyone who is listening, do not be quiet. do not be -- do not be silent about this. >> do you believe that joe biden should have access to intelligence information? >> he is not president right now. don't know if he'll be president january 20th. whoever he is, he'll get the information. >> when i first contacted him when the riots were going on, he didn't see it. he ended the call saying he'll put something out to make sure to stop this. that's what he did. >> there should only be two questions about this. why were we so ill-prepared that day and what are we doing to correct it? there is nothing i can add to that day. >> hi again, everyone.

it's 5:00 in new york. we took you on that painful trip down memory lane chock full of stops at big fat liarville. not that any of you have forgotten. the man who has just faced his ninth and as likely as we meet on his way to his tenth defeat on the house floor in his eight-year quest according to reporting from garrett haake to be speaker of the house. he thought it with help him win his fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, or ninth ballot. which means all of the chaos and breakdown playing out is a choice between two factions in the gop. quote, the battle unfolding of the speakership is not between extremists and establishment figures. it's between the two camps of extremists. mccarthy has already given in to the demands of those voting against him. again, from the bulwark, quote, they don't care about policy. if they did, they would seek

something in exchange for their support. they have not. there is no price mccarthy would not stoop to pay, but they don't have concrete goals other than posturing as anti-establishment. there is no way for mccarthy to negotiate with people whose only aim is to be seen as opposing him. what is stunning is that this concessions to both the hard liners now and to trump over the past few years haven't helped him at all. things are getting worse for him. yesterday morning trump pout out a statement on his social media site to say quote for kevin. you know what happened? not one vote changed. mccarthy's detractors kept voting against him, fleefully. then went on fox news to talk about it, gleefully. they even slammed the ex-president's choice of supporting kevin mccarthy. charlie sykes writes this in the bulwark, quote, trump is not irrelevant because he still has the power to destroy.

a single statement on his site could kill all of mccarthy's ambitions. but his shrunken clout was remarkably obvious tomorrow. so much losing for the former president and his kevin is the very beginning of the hour with aforementioned editor at large of the bulwark charlie sykes is here. nick confessore, investigative reporter for the "new york times." mark gay is back, rick stengel is here, former top state department official, all msnbc contributors. charlie sykes, i start with you. >> well, you know, first of all, i'm really glad you were connecting the dots between what happened two years ago. this is a republican party that is addicted to chaos theater. two years ago you had election deniers that tried to hold election democracy hostage. there is no sense of shame. two years later we're seeing many of the same election

deniers holding their own party hostage. and i think that is really extraordinary. and this is the story of kevin mccarthy and the republican party. and i'm really glad that you keep playing this out. this is not some group of bomb throwers against the grown-ups. this is not extremists against the establishment. kevin mccarthy has embraced and empowered the lunatic wing of his own party. if he becomes speaker, he will enpower marjorie taylor greene. so here you have this moment of extraordinary irony. in many ways, this is peak trumpism that you're seeing right now. and trump himself sitting down in brooding isolation in mar-a-lago is suddenly realizing that he can't control it. he didn't start this fire. it was a preexisting condition, but donald trump, like so many other republicans, thought they could control it.

and look where we are today. >> and charlie, it all has its roots in not just the ride down the escalator and all the ludicrousness surrounding this carnival barker turned dominant force in the republican party seemingly overnight by tapping into their nativism and their fear of others, their fears of diversity and what not. it has its roots in the things that i pulled the hair out of my hat -- i was on "the view" when he was a candidate talking what a scourge he was on a party at that point i was still a part of. but it has its roots in republicans doing nothing. he called mexicans rapist and murders. it has its roots in republicans mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy doing nothing when he talked about good people on both of the kkk rally or grabbing women in the you know where. that is where this moment really was accelerated, bringing us right here to today where we are

covering because the entire government is hostage. we needed to approve urgent military funding for allies in ukraine or spending bill for domestic catastrophe. the country couldn't do that. the country is broken because of what was put in motion by republicans by enabling extremism in their own ranks to flourish and gain power. >> also, look what he has done to the republican party in terms of policy. because this is not about policy. this is a political party that now controls the congress, but has no legislative agenda. there is no leadership there was a great piece in "the new york times" today about this. the way in which here you have this utterly rudderless political party that didn't bother to have a platform a couple of years ago. so what you have is a genuine maga crackup, where you have -- because they don't have that connective tissue of actual principle, you have all of the

grifters and the entertainers and the self-promoters who are turning on one another. and this is something else that donald trump has tapped into and that he is encouraged, which is to create an incentive structure that incentivizes this kind of irresponsibility because this is how you get the cliques, this is how you get they tension, this is how you get on fox news and newsmax. and the actual business of government becomes completely irrelevant. that's what you're seeing. this is why matt gaetz is having so much fun. he doesn't care about the institution. he doesn't care about passing any legislation this is how he gets his moment in the sun. again, that's very much the culture that donald trump has introduced and exploited in the republican party. >> i don't know what matt gaetz is up to. on the side of your screen, he did seem to make an effort for the third day that i notice to talk to congresswoman alexandria

ocasio-cortez again. this is a tragedy for american policy. the only people enjoying this are probably newscasters attached to kremlin state media. >> russia. >> you might know the answer to that. but i think that it is clear when we talk about fox's influence over the right, it is clear that it is on steroids. i mean, tucker carlson has been waging a campaign against kevin mccarthy or years on the airwaves, not secretly. and these folks voting against kevin mccarthy, they're out of things to ask for other than kidneys and lungs. >> it's remarkable and it's very dark. one of the things i've been thinking about watching this ordeal unfold is fox news' impact not only on the republican party, but also on republican voters. what must the voters who sent these individuals to washington think of our government? >> right. nothing. >> this is who they sent.

when you talk to some of these individuals, you get a sense that, you know, well, politicians are all crooks any way and the government is a joke any way. or you know, let's burn it to the ground. really, that's what these people were sent to do, or to make a mockery of it. you touched upon it a couple of minutes ago that some of these individuals were people who were really only elected based on a litmus test to stop the tide of diversity in the country, the browning of america, the fears that surround that. and so they were not elected to go do the work of government. and you're seeing that now. it's terrifying. it would be funny if it weren't for the fact that we have real problems in this country that demand problem solvers. and these are not public servants, but they are meant to act as our public servants. what happens when the next crisis comes? it's disturbing. >> what are your thoughts this

week? >> i in one small way. i don't think it's necessarily terrible that there are all these votes for speaker and there isn't a coronation and a stage thing. i think it's sort of healthy in some ways. i also think there are some policy things underlying this for some of the dissidents. i don't think it's wrong to want to vote on amendments. and they want to vote on a balanced budget. >> the democratic and the republican speaker have forbade that for the last several years. it hasn't happened under both party. >> it's not a terrible thing. but on the other hand, there is the power of the info entertainment complex on the right. it's tucker carlson. it's fox news where there always has to be a stabbing in the back and a new enemy, and someone is selling us out. that's how you get eyeballs and engagement and raise money. so gaetz is out there raising money and so is andy biggs. the point to raise money off this stuff. you have to have these moments, these confrontations. and you have to make them if

they aren't already there. i think that's the danger, the desire to provide that spectacle and engage in confrontation overtakes the substance completely. >> and charlie, to nick's point, i guess the twist this season in right wing lunacy is that it's intraparty, right. the nemesis now is kevin mccarthy, who was the chief -- he was a human shield for all of the high jinks of most of the extreme elements of his caucus for the last few years. >> that's right. he thought he could appease them. he thought he could become speaker if he decided to cozy up to the marjorie taylor greenes and signed on the every single letter that they wrote in terms of election denial, if he ran down to mar-a-lago and sucked up to donald trump. and none of it is working. what is interesting -- and by the way, nick of course is right there. are some substantive issues involving regular order,

involving the excessive concentration of power. it doesn't feel that this is what this is all about, though. if it was -- >> you think? >> all of kevin mccarthy's concessions, his self-gelding over the last 24 hours would have moved some vote. >> right. >> it doesn't seem there is anything to negotiate other than when kevin mccarthy is going to present matt gaetz and lauren boebert with his head on a platter. >> right. >> there is nothing that he can give them at this point. so there is this certain just addiction to anarchy and chaos and nihilism that also runs through all of this. >> yeah, i mean, to charlie's good point about nick's good point, mccarthy's concede all the policy adjustments. he's conceded that one member can get rid of a speaker. he as already lost.

so we've got some breaking news. kevin mccarthy loses on the tenth ballot to be speaker. he has now -- and again, it's not over until it's gavelled in. so far in this tenth count, he has lost six republicans and that is going to keep him from becoming speaker on this tenth ballot. >> yes. i'm going to pick up word that charlie said, anarchy. we've had anarchists in american history. we've never really had them in congress before. but i do also pick up on nick's point. the constitution says almost nothing about how the speichers is elected. it says the house will elect the speaker. all of these rules have grown up over 150, 175, 200 years. and the rules themselves are flawed. the glues to me about this, and this is contrarian, this is our testimony working. in 1856, there were 119 ballots. in 1849, it went on for 19 days. these all have precedents in

american history. >> what were they fighting about in '56? >> well, they couldn't decide on a speaker? >> what was it about? >> i don't know what it was about. but there was a -- >> i guess my point is this is not a good faith negotiation. >> well, it wasn't then either in the sense that -- and what they decided to do then in those two years is elect a speaker by plurality of votes. >> we've got one. we've got hakeem jeffries. >> well you do that, but a majority would have to agree with the speaker who is elected by a plurality. that's what they did in those two years. all i'm saying is our system has always been messy. and the good news about this is it puts the people, the anarchists, the people who don't want a system, don't know how to legislate, don't know how to govern, it puts them out in the open. and maybe this will flush out some more establishment republicans to combine with democrats to be more bipartisan there has been a number of bipartisan bills in the last term that the house has voted on. i actually think it's not a

terrible thing that's going on, and it can have some positive results. >> i feel like the kid in sixth sense. i see dead people. john eastman made that argument about the constitution when he argued for the coup law. not super specific. there aren't any rules about when you have to certify the election. you know what we could do, don, we could call state house guys. you got some of those on your phone? let's call them in michigan. this is exactly how trumpism functions. frankly, it's how putin's propaganda and troll farm functions too. the similarities are jaw-dropping. finds a little gray area that no one ever thought to exploit before because no one else was ever so anti-american. it's not good for the country to not be able to pass a law. we don't have any members of congress. they're all members-elect. >> what's not good for the country, this is a preview of what this congress is going to continue to do.

what you're just seeing here is a dress rehearsal for what's going to be happening on issues that really do matter, including whether or not we're going to raise the debt limit. and what we're seeing is -- and i think this is an interesting point that you're making is, yes, there are flashes of substance here. but ultimately, the goal seems to be as much dysfunction as possible because that's how you feed the outrage machine. the people who are prepared to shut down the houses of representatives completely this week will be completely comfortable playing games with the full faith and credit of the united states when the debt limit comes up, and who knows what other pieces of legislation that urgently require approval, including our adu ukraine. >> god forbid there is a crisis we desperately need to have a

bipartisan compromise on, because this is a party that has become less and less responsible in terms of its governing. so, yes, this right now is probably pretty harmless. it is democracy at itses meiest. but, again, this is being pushed by people who are prepared to throw bombs, blow things up and continue the kind of anarchy that we've seen, you know, from them over the last two years. >> can i make a point? >> of course. >> sure. >> thanks, charlie. the constitution is very unspecific about this. these are all rules that are not in the constitution, that you have to elect a speaker before you can swear in house members, before you can take a vote. those rules can all be changed. one result of this might be this is catastrophic. electing a speaker is way harder than it is on voting on budget bills, whatever. let's change the rules so we can vote and we can be sworn in before or without electing a speaker. all of these things can change.

>> but who is going to change them? this is a body that erased every reference to january 6th from the tours. i mean, the republicans aren't just against governing, they're against truth. so who is going to -- you're talking about -- i dent care about any rules of the house. i think i've been to the capitol five times in my life. i just want it to function as they want it to function. and my point is that republicans don't want to it function differently. they want to break it. >> those 20 want to break it. i'm not sure all the others want to break it. and i think the others would say this is such a terrible spectacle for our party, let's change the rules so that it can function more coherently, and we can get a speaker and not have all of the government, three branches of government be paused. >> garrett haake on capitol hill, doing extraordinary reporting for us. what is the latest? >> well, nicolle, behind the scenes, there seems to be some

more movement here. as i said in the last hour, the floor is not where the action is right now. >> clearly. >> it's in some of the side rooms. >> i know, i know. in some of the back rooms that ring the floor. and one floor down beneath the chamber itself, we've been having some of these side meetings. i've been talking to members coming in and out. the word is these factions are exchanging paper, which is to say they have actually put what they want wand what they're willing to grant each other on paper, which feels like a small step. but as i said in the last hour, the trust deficit is so enormous between kevin mccarthy and the votes against him here requires that. and while this is a ridiculously small step and one that probably should have happened days, if not weeks ago, it indicates they've at least agreed on what they agree on enough to write it down. i think that is a step in the right direction. and one other thing i've heard from close mccarthy allies here, dusty johnson, who i think is a person we should all get used to

hearing his name and kind of watching him as this drags out as part of the governing coalition that mccarthy is trying to put together is they have effectively triaged the members of that 20-vote group to see who they think are the folks can get to yes and who are the folks that can't. you won't be shocked to know a professional politician was smart enough not to give me the exact names of the people he thinks can't be brought around, he indicated it as obvious as many of us think it is in some ways here. they're talking about some folks whose demands will not be met and who will either be left to be the last couple of votes what are going to be no, or who could conceivably be pressured by the fact that a dozen, maybe 15 of their colleagues who have been no's to this point have been satisfied. as all these folks, the matt gaetzs, the lauren boeberts try to argue, this isn't personal. the idea is perhaps those folks can be isolated at the end by the accession of the many and

highlight how personal their grief. and maybe be convinced to at least vote present, lower the threshold, end this. not today, and probably not tomorrow. but when we get to the end game of this whole drama, which could be a while still. >> garrett haake, matt gaetz and lauren boebert were just seen leaving the floor, which you said is not where the action is. i would put them in the group that's ungettable. >> yeah. >> it sounds like you want to draw some lines around your reporting and not name names. is that a fair working assumption? the people who have put ideas on paper don't include gaetz and boebert? >> yeah, they've made that pretty clear themselves. gaetz from the word go, long before republicans even won back the majority made it clear he would never vote for kevin mccarthy. and i think he has done enough to prove that he means it. and that's not a negotiating tactic. boebert is a little more interesting because she has made clear there was a time in which she would have voted for kevin mccarthy, and that that time is now passed, that she has somehow

damaged his trust with her. i'm somewhat less convinced that she is as immovable on that as is gaetz. but i think it's a reasonable assumption if you're the dusty johnsons of the world trying to operate on kevin mccarthy's behalf that those are the folks you save for last, if you address their concerns at all. >> i understand one member has left, and that was a mccarthy vote. how many of the 20 does mccarthy need to win back? >> well, if they are close to full attendance, which they probably won't be again until monday, we had one member leave for medical appointment that may apparently keep him out until tomorrow. we had another member, wesley hunt, a new one whose wife just had a baby, i believe this week who had intended to come only for tuesday and has now been stuck here with the rest of us waiting for this to go on, who may have to return over the weekend. and other members who have funerals and things of the like. my point is i don't think we'll be back at full attendance until perhaps monday.

so let's say we solve this monday. mccarthy needs to move 15 of these 20 and convince the rest to vote present basically is the math that he needs. the number can slide a little bit of folks he can't move that he can get to vote present. if he has too many folks vote present, the threshold is lowered enough that hakeem jeffries, oops, slips into the speakership. while i've been very bearish on this show and others that i don't think there is going to be a west wingesque unity speak they're gets chosen, i think it is entirely possible, not a high chance, but certainly not a zero percent chance, there is a failure to do math correctly and too many people are absent or present, and somebody who is not supposed to be in a republican majority gets named speaker, namely hakeem jeffries. it is not impossible that a math error could be the thing that breaks this. again, that's not today. but if we're still doing this on saturday or sunday, anything is

possible. >> my years in government taught me that the actual slogan should be it's the incompetence, stupid. it is usually the first and most obvious explanation for everything that goes wrong. garrett, can you give me a little bit of mood music. is the mood on the right defeated, optimistic, hopeful? ride or dive with kev? take me inside how people are feeling. >> i think there was probably a vibe shift to use a technical political reporting term some time yesterday that this was not going to be solved soon. and i think when that shift happened, the mccarthy folks dug in a little bit. i think at this time yesterday, when they were headed to that adjournment, there was a lot of uncertainty what the path forward could be for mccarthy if there was one. i think the fact that they were able to engage last night in some seemingly meaningful negotiations, and those have continued today have got folks kind of shifted to this mind-set of okay, this might really take a while. but it does seem to be moving.

and that has buttressed people a little bit. how many times have bebeen on the air late at night, days or weeks into a shutdown or a key vote that's dragged longer than any rational person had assumed it might? we went from something that is usually quite simple into that territory. and while i think the transition period was pretty rocky and uncertain, now that we're talking about a prolonged negotiation, a potential stalemate, but with at least theoretical options to end it, it feels more familiar to the members, at least the preexisting members, not necessarily the members-elect. and certainly those of us who have covered these kinds of things before that we are locked in a stalemate which is a not wholly uncomfortable or unusual place to be. typically, just on much more complicated things than who is going to be the speaker of the house. >> does the piece of paper have

rules and policies on it? does it have purple unicorning on it? how much is i hate him so much, you'd have to give me a parking spot? what is on the piece of paper? >> i think it's probably a level or two above parking spots, but not much more than that. i think what we're talking about -- i don't have the specifics of this -- but the things engaged in the conversation are commitments to vote on specific pieces of legislation, which might be pet projects for some of these members, specific subcommittee slots for some members. by the way, not even necessarily the ones that are doing the negotiations. but you might have folks saying look, there needs to be four freedom caucus or freedom caucus are okay with on committee x or ky. i think seeing that on paper and have the validation of some of these lieutenants even of mccarthy whom the group of 20 trust more than they do mccarthy moves it a little bit closer. this is not complex legislative

language, to the best of my reporting and knowledge here. it's pretty basic stuff. but again, the thing you have to keep going back from is you're operating from where the trust deficit is so bad, even seeing it written down with names next to it makes a difference. >> do we know what was on marjorie taylor greene's paper that made her supportive of mccarthy from go? >> that's a good question. i think it was clear very early on to her, she certainly said as much publicly as she did mccarthy, she was going to get her committee assignments restored. those would be the committee assignments where she would have more oversight and investigatory, more opportunity to grill biden administration officials. she is not going to be writing clearly complex legislation. that's not what she is interested in, but to be on committees where she could be the kind of attack dog that she likes to be. was clearly part of discussion. and i think, you know, she might have just had a more astute political feeling about this that it was better to throw in

her lot with someone who would make her that promise than no one. at the end of the day, i think that's still the biggest challenge for this group of 20. they don't have a credible candidate for speaker that they can put forward as an alternative who wants the job. so if you're going to kind of shake hands and make a deal with somebody, you'd rather make a deal with somebody than nobody. i think that's a pretty simple calculation for someone like member-elect green. >> what's amazing for 20 it isn't. your insights are invaluable. it sounds like you need some tea and hot honey. we will let you leave us now. but if anything else happens, just wave your arms and we'll come right back to you, garrett hafnlgt. >> yeah, thank you. >> thank you. charlie sykes, again, as i have over the last six years, i'm out of words for humiliation of kevin mccarthy. you take over. >> well, it is interesting. there have been these negotiations. but the negotiations basically are the long abject surrender of

kevin mccarthy of just about everything. and i think that makes this somewhat different. that what kevin mccarthy has been doing, of course, is making one concession after another, including -- let's just focus on one thing. he had pledged that he would never lower the threshold for the motion to vacate the chair. he would never go to far as to allow one member force a vote to throw the speaker out. well, he did last night. so he's basically prepared to say i'm going to give up my power. i am going to give key slots to members of the freedom caucus. at some point, that means that the moderates stuck with him are going to be displaced. and so here you have kevin mccarthy, who whether or not he pulls this out or not, really has become secondary to the fact that extremists and the crazies have won, and that this body is

going to be more dysfunctional because of what kevin mccarthy has been already been willing to give away. >> and he has given it away and it hasn't changed a single vote to garrett's point as yet. charlie sykes, thanks for starting us off this hour. and thank you for the bulwark's writing on this. it's been phenomenal. rick, mara, stick around. we'll continue to watch this live vote on the house floor. kevin mccarthy already short of the votes needed to become speaker on the tenth straight ballot for house speaker. when we come back, fresh warnings about political violence on the eve of the january 6th insurrection. but officer michael fanone and other law enforcement and military veterans want house republicans to do about the troubling rise of extremism and the threat of violence. that's after a quick break. and later in the hour, incredibly good news today and the other big story this week. doctors say buffalo bills safety damar hamlin is showing, quote, remarkable improvement after suffering cardiac arrest on the field after a tackle in monday

night's live televised game. beginning to communicate with members of his medical team. it is very good news for hamlin for his family and millions of well-wishers and fans who witnessed his dramatic collapse on live tv as the nfl gets trod resume playing football this weekend. we'll bring you the latest. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. eak. don't go anywhere. will you make something better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you.

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to the new speaker of the house, whoever the hell that ends up being, and other gop house leaders, here is my message to you. you have this job because you

promise to represent the people. we, the people, are calling on you to condemn political violence. as you take on your new roles, i will be watching and waiting for public statements from each and every one of you to do just that. enough is enough. >> he does not mince words. that was former metropolitan police officer michael fanone who's heartbreaking, riveting testimony was so central to illustrating how savage it was for him and all the law enforcement officials on the ground on january 6th, defending the u.s. capitol and the men and women inside it. he has an admiral new mission, much needed, pressuring republicans to condemn political violence. ahead of the attack's second anniversary tomorrow, officer fanone was more than a thought

law enforcement officials and military families, active duty officials to sign on to a letter urging them to condemn political attacks. we continue at this hour just to fill in, pull back the curtain what you're watching here. we're watching the speaker vote on the house floor. if anything dramatic happens, if kevin mccarthy moves into the category of being viable here on the tenth ballot, which i think it looks like he will not do, we'll break into this conversation. until then we're joined by former fbi counter intelligence agent pete stock. pete, it used to be a no-brainer. a member of the law enforcement community that protected you and your life and your family's life on an attack on the capitol is having for you to, quote, condemn political violence. and it used to be that everybody, democratic and republican would just do it. but that is not the case anymore. it represents an extraordinarily seismic shift in the political

climate. what is the impact on the people who may be in the sort of unstable or politically motivated or prone to commit violence, if one of the country's two political parties won't regularly condemn it? >> well, nicolle, i think it does nothing but encourage further violence among certainly the far extremes. we've seen it on the heels of the search by the fbi at mar-a-lago, kind of unbalanced gunman who attacked the fbi office in cincinnati. there are people who are listening to political leaders, to community leaders. and having this broadcast again and again and again does nothing but keep that idea in the realm of legitimate. and it's astounding, one, not only people like mike fanone are writing this great letter asking leaders to condemn violence, but it's also unsurprising and extraordinarily disappointing that i don't think many of these leaders are going to say a word. that political violence is unacceptable. i have every expectation when we

finally do arrive at some sort of speaker, you'll see the house launch two investigations that are designed to further foment some sort of an tag mystic astonish from the far right towards law enforcement, towards the federal government. and we're just going down a sort of spiral of irresponsible behavior, the bottom of which is potentially extraordinarily violent behavior. so i'm glad he is doing it. i don't unfortunately have a lot of hope that it's going to have any impact on the people receiving those letters, but i do think it provides an important service getting this issue out in front of the american people highlighting the absolute irresponsibility that's going on by some members of the far right elected to congress today. >> what is going on in the aftermath not just of the brutal attack on paul pelosi, but of the republicans and right wing media figures response to the brutal attack on paul pelosi. and someone who has been on our tv screens an awful lot this week is steve scalise, who was tragically targeted and shot. and that attack on him was

correctly condemned by everyone, right, left, and everywhere in between. what do you do when the response to political violence, when it reaches the spouse or the family of one of the highest ranking members of the other party is not to condemn it, buff to circulate conspiracy theorys? what is the hope that we're even near the worst? >> well, i think the hope is that when you are in the majority, if you are responsible forewhat is being done by congress, however adversarial you might be or find politically advantages to go and attack the federal government, it is a very advantageous when you're not the majority, and when and if violence occurs, and sadly, it's only the matter of time before it does, somebody has to step up as the speaker, as the chairman of these various committees and say something. and if they don't, again, it's one thing to kind of throw

stones from the minority and rhab rouse. but when you're in charge, you have to, i think. it will be glaringly obvious to the american people if they see congressional leaders failing to make statements like this in the face of violence that the party has utterly failed them. and again, what is tragic is, i think it is going to take more violence to actually cause action. but i do have the smallest of hope that being thrust into a relationship role is going to cause some of these people to maybe be a little more responsible in their statements. maybe move towards trying to tamp down violent rhetoric. and we'll see what happens. we're not off to a good start obviously. looking at the vote count along with you and everybody who is commenting on it. and i just have no idea where this ends up at the end of the day. >> are you as optimistic? >> i'm not. >> but i do want whatever he had for lunch. optimistic. >> i think january 6th has become the new lost cause on the political right in this country. the mythology around it, the

idea what the protesters were well-intentioned had reason to be angry, that it actually wasn't that violent, the attack wasn't that bad, there are worse things happening. that is all part of the mythology, the point of which harkens back to trump in the end. it all stems from his refusal to accept his own defeat. on top of that refusal you have to build lie upon lie, that there was massive voting fraud, that dead people in atlanta were voting, that officials were doing unconstitutional things, counting the wrong votes. you have to do all that. the second that you acknowledge that the attacks were violent and rede pick isable and wrong, you have to go to the root cause of that. was their cause also wrong? they can't do that because donald trump shouldn't be president. he lost. he has established that as a litmus test for anybody who wants a future in his party. and that's why so in the party have met his litmus test,

because they didn't want the rage and the attacks. so they built an entire edis face of mythology, tucker carlson on fox, others, and that's why we're here. and they're going to nurture that and defend it until donald trump is not around anymore to enforce it. >> he is around, but his touch is anything but gold. >> that's right. it remains to be extremely dangerous as well. i mean, donald trump himself was the source of so many lies. but also, so many lies that put people in danger and threatened the democracy. i'm not hopeful either. i think we have those 20 or so members of the republican caucus right now who are deeply untethered to government, to democracy, to truth, as you said, nicolle. and i think it's funny you bring up -- not funny. you brought up the losts cause. you have may have to go back to the 1850s the find a time in this country when you had a part

of a caucus that was really just wanted to break the thing and was so uninterested in carrying on the work of government. and i think one reason for hope may be that people like these veterans can get together and actually talk to others in their communities to try and prevent those communities from electing and sending people like this congress. in the meantime, the rest of us have to ask the question, what do we do with this caucus? i don't have any answer for that, but unfortunately, you can see that we're going to be stuck with this for some time. >> the last century and a half, by the way. a century and a half since the civil war. only in the last couple of years did we as a country start to say as a whole we shouldn't have bases named after confederate generals or have monuments and statues to people who committed treason. it took a century and a half. that's why i'm not that optimistic. but i hope i'm wrong. >> i was a little optimistic until i heard you two. but the lost cause analogy is a

great one. we have paerpd over our bad history. in fact, this is a small point but a symbolic one. the fact that the house, the capitol architect did not keep some of the damage to the capitol, but repaired it all so it looks like nothing happened was a terrible mistake. when people are taking a tour of the capitol, you say that's the window that those insurrectionists came through, or that's the statue they destroyed. that should have been kept, just the way we sometimes keep burned flags and things like that. that's a mistake. >> i agree with you. pete strzok, thank you for your optimism. i'm sorry we rained on it here. and nick confessore, mara gay, thank you all so much for spending time with us today. we're going to shift the gears entirely. doctors say buffalo bills safety damar hamlin has shown remarkable improvement over the last 24 hours. he is making steady progress after collapsing in sunday night's game. we'll bring you the update and the amazing things doctors are saying today. really encouraging stuff, after a quick break. don't go anywhere. anywhere.

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from cincinnati, buffalo, and really across the country for him and his family during this time. his mom and dad have talked to him about what has happened, and we suspect we'll have ongoing conversations with him. again, his first question that he wrote when he started to awaken was "did we win?" he knows not only that the lights are on, he is home. >> did we win? that was dr. timothy bretz from the university of cincinnati delivering pretty unbelievable news hours ago on the condition of buffalo safety damar hamlin. he collapsed during an nfl game on monday night. the news comes just hours after the buffalo bills this morning released a statement saying hamlin has shown remarkable improvements over the last 24 hours, and that while still in nbc news can also confirm that hamlin is awake and showing more signs of improvement. marking a optimistic turn for

the 24-year-old. he received cpr for ten minutes. doctors a cincinnati health continued to talk about the early conversations with hamlin, including what was on his mind as he began to communicate with doctors. take a listen. >> to paraphrase one of our partners, when he asked, did we win, the answer is yes, damar, you won the game of life. and that's possibly the most important thing out of this, and we need to keep him at the center of everything else going on. >> joining us now, msnbc contributor mike lupica, author of "house of wolves," dr. gupta, he has also advised the nfl's seattle seahawks. dr. gupta, is there any decoding you can offer us in term of what we're hearing about his condition? these all sound like good signs. >> indeed. good afternoon. fantastic signs.

that's what we were hoping for when this happened, that there was this immediate response with cpr, nicolle, plus that shock, that defibrillation to restore normal heart rhythm, that appeared quickly. it appear that all happened by the textbooks. i expect based on what we're hearing from the excellent physicians at the university of cincinnati that tomorrow he'll be liberated from the ventilator. that's sort of our lingo. that tube will be removed because his oxygen levels are coming down. he's able to follow commands, which is key to make sure he's not delirious or swallowing secretions. hopefully soon out of the icu, and then it's about rehab. >> what does that look like, dr. gupta? he's not like us. he's an elite, elite athlete, a

physical specimen. i mean, what does rehab look like for someone like him? >> i suspect he's going to be under close watchful monitoring, cardiopulmonary rehab. they'll ramp him up to see what he can do, but one can expect he's going to be on a treadmill when he's able to participate in basic physical therapy in a bed. then he'll be proceeding to walking, making sure he's safe, able to do things just on flat ground while walking. and then progress to treadmill work where misheart and oxygen he'lls are closely monitored. given where we're at today based on what we know from out of hospital cardiac arrest and surviing it, most of our data is among 60 and 70-year-olds. what we know is five years later, once they present acutely with this type of recovery,

within 48 hours already neurologically intact, if you are 70, you do pretty well five years later. pretty much normal quality of life, so damar, 24, athlete, lots of positive signs. >> mike, there was a press conference that was still under way when i brought both of you in, and i want to read you what some of teammates said about what this was like for them on monday night. oh, i have it. i can show it now. let me show you this. >> the scene just replays over and over in your head, and there's, again -- it's hard to answer that question and actually describe how i felt, how my teammates felt in that moment. it's something we'll never forget, but to know damar is doing okay -- i know there's a lot of thing he has to process be continue to go through to get back to himself, we heard that

news this morning and there's nothing that could have been told to us to bring our day down. we're extremely happy for him and his family. we just want to -- we just want to love up on him, you know, so the next chance we get -- i don't know when it's going to be, but if we get to see him any time soon, it's going to be awesome. >> this was such a traumatic thing to watch on tv, i imagine for his teammates for the cincinnati team that has been an incredibly traumatic week. what are your thoughts? >> i was thinking the other night, it's as bad of a thing i've ever seen in sports. it was traumatic. and felt like the whole world was watching this young man fall to the ground, and you knew right away this was a catastrophic event. my wife as a little girl was at a lions game when the one time a player die in the a nfl game, chuck hughes. she was there with her dad that day. and it brought back memory like that for her.

but think about what's happened since, nicolle. remember that move "while you were sleeping"? when this young man woke up, he's going to slowly find that he became the most beloved and popular athlete in the country. i have been thinking about this all day. how many times do we get a story in sports that makes the whole country want to stand up and cheer? and that is what everybody felt when we got some good news about this young man this morning. this to me -- here we were monday night at 9:00, and where we are today around 6:00, it has a chance to be one of the best and most wonderful and most inspiring sports stories i can ever remember. >> you are so right. his charity as a toy drive raise thousands. i think it's raised a multiple, 7 million, 7 million, $8 million, maybe more than

that. and to doctor gupta's point, the medical story. i have to say, dr. gupta, you inspired me. i am now cpr and first aid certified. if you think you know it, you don't. because every place has defibrillators. i was a life guard years ago. didn't have that training. maybe he want as the make that immediate response available to people who aren't the best athletes in the country. to both of you, our deep thanks. quick break for us. we'll be right back. k for us we'll be right back. life... doesn't stop for diabetes. be ready for every moment, with glucerna. it's the number one doctor recommended brand that is scientifically designed to help manage your blood sugar. live every moment. glucerna.

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