bad president, if the parliament is already broken and you get a bad president, one who is not hesitant to do all kinds of things, you are in a democratic breakdown situation. that's what i worry about and what i'm thinking about. >> that makes a lot of sense given your study of other governments and how this can happen and the warning signals we have seen. professor timothy snyder who we'll be calling tim at all times joined us tonight. you can find his book on tyranny online. michael moore, you can find his newsletter. i'm ari melber. you can find me at arimelber.com. we're looking at the house floor with kevin mccarthy appears to be losing his 11th vote for speaker. we'll keep counting the votes along with you and my colleague joy reid will pick it up right now. "the reidout" is up next. tonight on "the reidout" --

>> i rise today to nominate the gentleman from california, kevin mccarthy, as speaker of the house. >> i rise to nominee kevin mccarthy for speaker of the house. >> i rise to nominate kevin mccarthy. >> i rise to nominate the gentleman from california. >> madam speaker, i rise to nominate kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. >> i rise to nominate kevin mccarthy. >> i rise to nominate kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. >> i rise to nominate kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. >> i rise to nominate kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. >> i rise to nominate kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. >> madam clerk, to nominate kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. >> gaetz. >> donald john trump. >> trump. >> after ten ballots and now into an 11th, there is still no speaker. they even nominated donald trump today. but as usual, he lost. and that is where we begin

tonight, on jet another day and night without a speaker of the house. it wasn't lucky enough seven for kevin mccarthy or eight or nine or ten. but he has made history. surpassing the number of ballots needed the last time a speaker wasn't chosen on the first ballot, 100 years ago. after appearing to have failed an 11th vote this hour, the same 20 ultra conservative holdouts who we cannot say enough have a huge ven diagram continuing to stand against mccarthy despite his having been their biggest protector. florida congressman byron donald is one of the members who voted against certifying the 2020 presidential election, continued to get the support of most of mccarthy's detractors, and apparently never happy with being called never kevins, lauren boebert nominated kevin hearn. >> we need to get to a point where we start evaluating what life after kevin mccarthy looks

like. america doesn't want more talk. >> but after ten votes, it is still lauren boebert and her 19 colleagues looking for life after kevin. and we should note that we have been here before. a small group of ultra conservative republicans holding congress hostage. remember the tea party, the original oppose everything insufficiently conservative faction? back in 2011, they opposed raising the u.s. debt ceiling. the federal government's ability to borrow money. demanding significant spending cuts across the board, cuts that would have hurt food stamp recipients and veterans and the elderly. they opposed then house speaker john boehner's efforts to strike a deal with president obama's white house because compromise with democrats was and remains a dirty word. boehner was able to work out a deal just days before the u.s. would have defaulted on its debts, plunging the economy into a recession, but the

brinksmanship caused a downgrade in the united states credit rating for the first time in american history. the tea partiers didn't stop there, nor did they give up on their other obsession, eliminating the affordable care act. mark meadows. now that's a familiar name, you should remember, pushed a plan to tie dismantling or delaying obamacare to the bill to fund the government for the next year. with the help of newly elected tea party senator ted cruz, they got what they wanted. here's how "nbc nightly news" reported at the time. >> good evening. a good number of americans probably wondered at one point today what must we look like to the rest of the world, this first full day of the first government shutdown in close to two decades. blaming each other and unable to agree, both parties in congress gave up and went home last night. what's happening right now in washington has been a long time coming. it's being driven by a committed core of republican members of

congress who are all but assured of re-election in their districts and just can't be conservative enough for many of the folks back home. this is about the divide in our country, the end of the old chain of command in congress, and anger over obamacare. >> the tea partiers were giddy about keeping the federal government frozen. on the eve of the shutdown, michele bachmann told "the washington post," quote, we're very excited. it's exactly what we wanted, and we got it. well, fast forward nine years, and one of the holdouts against kevin mccarthy, south carolina congressman ralph norman, said mccarthy would have to commit to shut down the government rather than raise the debt ceiling in order to win the support of his opponents. but in the midst of today's votes, negotiations between the pro and anti-mccarthy factions have continued behind the scenes in hopes of ending this republican impasse, but sources tell nbc news that a deal could

be close. joining me now is msnbc capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. we keep hearing we're close, we're close. we have been hearing that for days now. how real is that this time? >> they think more real than it was in the past, but i guess we're going to see because they're till doing these rounds of ballots, which frankly, have almost become background noise here as the folks that are in this room are negotiating on behalf of kevin mccarthy. mccarthy hasn't been in the room for these notionations, instead downstairs from where i am in tom emmer's office, members have been shuttling in and out all day, only taking breaks to go up to the floor, cast their ballots and come right back down. it really underscores the entire reason we're in this position, when half the people in the negotiating room are only leaving to go keep casting votes against the guy that they're in the room negotiating to be for eventually. so that has been the real mood here on capitol hill. many of those lawmakers have been mum as they have been going

in and out, but what our sources are now telling me and others on the team tonight is that they are close, but this deal that they're hashing out right now, which they talk about as putting meat on the bone and actually putting it in writing so people can read the concessions being made, among them are the idea of one member being able to trigger that motion to vacate, the ability to basically oust the speaker. that's something that mccarthy conceded on overnight last night. that's of course still on the table. there's also the prime committee slots on things like appropriations and banking and of course the all important rules committee. so all of that is getting on paper tonight. but what one member who is in these negotiations told me is that this is really their phase one. it's their attempt at trying to show they can break the stalemate. mccarthy can get some forward momentum on one of these coming ballots. we'll wait to see which one it is. and then the idea once they break a new votes free is not that they have enough to get the speakership tonight, but they have enough to adjourn for the

weekend, because what they're about to run into is the idea that a lot of people have things to do this weekend that they will otherwise be absent from congress for. everything from funerals to births of new babies to debutante balls are the excuses we have heard as we have been canvassing our sources up here. and you know this well. in a numbers game like this one, you can't have absences for any reason because it changes the entire calculus. so that's what they're working on here as they go up against the cluck. i imagine i'm going to be here for several more hours. we're all going to be here for several more hours because the balloting is going to continue until we see some shaking loose of the numbers and then the motion to adjourn being able to be passed. you'll know this, it's not a given they're able to adjourn because democrats aren't going to help republicans out here. and all republicans would have to be onboard to do this themselves. that's what we're waiting to see as this shakes out, but again, another day that looks same, same, but different here in the

house. >> yeah, you need a majority of those present. so if anyone leaves, it changes the number. ali vitali, you know the drill. if you get any new information, wave your hands in the air like you just don't care, even though i know you do care, and we'll come right back to you. don't go too far away. thank you so much. really appreciate you. let's bring in former republican congressman francis rooney of florida and michael steele, former rnc chair and host of the michael steele podcast. my friend, i have to go to you first. it's like deja vu all over again. because you lived through the first iteration of the tea party. the reason i started talking about what happened with the government shutdown, they shut it down again in 2013, this was about an ultra right wing group of politicians who were new to politics, and who as lawrence o'donnell described it last night, had a kind of magical thinking that they could come to washington and suddenly they could make the department of education go away.

they could defund the irs and do all these things. low and behold, this fight with the same group, the freedom caucus, what the tea party turned into, these are what they're asking for. this is what mccarthy has agreed to. a motion to vacate the chair upon one-member support. one person could trigger a vote of no confidence at any time. representation for the freedom caucus on committees including rules, meaning the tea party and the people who supported the insurrection would make the rules for the house. no leadership involvement in safe republican primaries that are open seats. and that's because mccarthy's pac supported some moderate-ish republicans against people who would be considered far right. and then you have a church commission style committee to target weaponized government, meaning they want to investigate things like the fbi for trying to get the classified documents back from trump. when you look at that, and also they want major cuts to future spending bills which is what the

tea party wanted too. they want to trigger gutting government, cut food stamps and other things and stop biden from doing whatever. this feels to me like this is just a continuation of the tea party fight. and that in the end, the tea party and the insurrectionists have won. >> well, it is and it isn't to some degree. i think that the tea party that i was involved with in 2009 and 2010, the vast majority of those members are no longer in congress. that 63-seat majority is gone. in fact, the majority of that 63-seat were not effectively tea party members per se. it was about a third of that group. so you're looking at some of the remnants narratively. this is very different, though. the emphasis and thrust of it is very different than what we have seen. the one common thread, though,

joy, that's important for folks to really understand and contextualize, the congressmen i know will appreciate this. there are a lot of folks who for many, many years, not just in this moment but going back 20, 30 years, going back to the reagan term, who felt that the republican leadership in the house especially which led to the growth, to what we saw in 1994 with newt gingrich, felt that the leadership in the house never paid attention to what their cause was. what was important to them, about their approach to governing. their approach to spending, their approach to the constitution. and so there were two things that were always at stake. one was respect for what we think are valuable, the things we see as valuable, and two was leverage. where do we get the leverage? we saw in the last two big speaker fights, they fell short

on both. now, they have both. and they're using it. they're using the respect that they have gotten and that has put them in that position by their base voters outside gres, and using that to create the leverage on kevin mccarthy. and so that's when you look at that list, it's interesting, particularly if you put the list back up, i can tell you one little thing i find to be very funny is when they were talking about, you know, how they want to position the power and structure of things, i remember going to the tea party and saying look, you can't take out my incumbents. we're not going to win these races in these other states if you keep challenging us in our -- they were doing exactly what kevin mccarthy -- they accused kevin mccarthy of doing to them now, they were doing to the party in 2010. and so i had to negotiate with them. you get behind our incumbents, if your guys win the primary,

we'll stand behind them, but we can't go at this fight in which you take out, you know, guys like mike castle across the country in races where we know we're not going to keep that seat otherwise. so that's where we find ourselves right now. >> well, they took out eric cantor, is the other one of the young guns, the three young guns with paul ryan, eric cantor and kevin mccarthy. welcome to the show, congressman rooney. that's kind of the irony, right? you had this tea party group who they were outside of government people who wanted to come in at the base level, who really wanted to cut government to the bone. and the people who agreed with them at that were people like the koch brothers willing to fund things like the tea party express because they also wanted to cut government because they didn't want to pay a lot of taxes. their thinking was that the reason that you couldn't get rid of the department of education, the department of energy and just get rid of it is republicans weren't fighting hard enough.

this will be familiar to a lot of liberal democrats who say the same thing about the democratic party. if they would just fight harder, they could do certain things, but let me read you this. this is a dear colleague letter on demands to check the biden agenda. this is in december. they want to end vaccine mandates, but also reinstate and protect discharged service members. get rid of the vaccine mandates. the farm bill must reform food stamp welfare programs and block chinese government land buying. the debt ceiling must implement spending caps. appropriation bills must use the power of the purse, restore energy freedom, block the hiring of more irs personnel. it's magical thinking to think you can stop the hiring at the irs, stop the border from having migrants coming in. they believe if they had the right leader, they could do it. >> they're crazy. okay. when i was there, i was the only member out of 435 to vote

against every farm subsidy. there were many republicans as democrats voting for all this garbage and michael steele knows that in spades more than i do. we have a schism between left -- between hard right and conservative republicans, just like the democrats have their schism. we just don't seem to be able to figure out how to handle it. i said to nancy one day, if we had you, we would do a lot better than what we have done. >> true. you're right, because you know what, what you said there is so smart. if you had the right leader, it's actually an important point. there is nothing more herd of cats diverse than the democratic party. it's every kind of person, racially diverse, but they have nancy pelosi. >> yes, and she believes in things. >> that's true. >> kevin mccarthy has never introduced a bill. he doesn't have any policy chops, no views, no nothing. he's lyndon johnson on steroids here.

that's a problem. how do you lead with no principles? nancy pelosi has great principles. paul ryan had great principles. >> real quick, lightning round, how do you think this ends, congressman rooney, knowing these folks? how does this end? does kevin mccarthy end up getting the speakership? >> first of all, the war of attrition didn't work out for hitler and napoleon. let's sue what mccarthy can do. it depends on the never mccarthy people. are they tough enough to hold out. there's a couple white knights lurking out there waiting to pounce, and they're ready to go. >> spill the tea, michael steele. how does this end? >> the congressman is right. there are stalking horses who are stalking carefully. they do not want to be positioned as if they're trying to take out kevin. they want kevin to take himself out. by virtue of not being able to negotiate the deal. when that collapses, that's why we're now on the 11th vote. trust me.

kevi -- >> can i say one more comment? >> last word to you, congressman. >> the fellow who came on before we came out who said what must we look like to the rest of the world, whoa, was he underestimating now. super sad. >> i mean, we look disorganized, i will use that, i'm going to be nice, i'm going to try to be christian with it. michael steele, we'll see you again in a bit. former congressman francis rooney, thank you. >> we're continuing to watch the house floor with kevin mccarthy appears to be losing vote number 11 for speaker. he's going to go for a good dozen. >> tech: when you have auto glass damage, trust safelite. this dad and daughter were driving when they got a crack in their windshield. [smash] >> dad: it's okay. pull over. >> tech: he wouldn't take his car just anywhere... ♪ pop rock music ♪ >> tech: ...so he brought it to safelite. we replaced the windshield

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while the group of 20 republican insurrectionists continue to hold the speaker's gavel hostage, much to the

frustration of their colleagues, they are receiving the support of a very powerful and little known conservative group. we told you last night about a letter incurrenting this stalemate from the conservative action project, a group that includes ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas as well as cleta mitchell, both who helped or encouraged the maga insurrection. this is a division of the council for national policy, a group you probably never heard of. it's worked in the shadows as the secret hub of the conservative movement, where the mainstream and radical right mix to set their agenda and to try to move the country in their direction. their goal is to create a, quote, moral rebirth of our society along the lines of the christian far right, and they use their members' vast right wing members see it through. "the washington post" did a deep dive into this group, writing, in their quest to remake our country, to purge it of the cultural and political decay they believed has sapped it of its virtue, members are looking

backward to receding triumphs, but it's clear they're also looking forward and they are as determined as ever to shape the nation's future. joining me is robert joins, president and founder of the public religion institute and my friend. robby, tell me about this group. >> well, you're right to say it's an important and powerful group that has this very innocuous name. the council for national policy. but this is a group, the conservative action project that met weekly inside the trump white house and was influencing agency appointments to judicial appointments and carrying water back out from the trump administration, if they needed help getting support, they were calling out the foot soldiers. it's this mix of political activists and operatives, of christian right organizations like the ego forum, the family research council, all the who's who of the christian right, and they do share this vision of the

world that you described fairly accurately, and the head of it, bill walton, was known to say to his own people, this is a spiritual battle we're in. it's about good and evil. >> what do they want to change about society? >> you'll hear this reclaim, restore, revive, all this backward sounding thing, and to talk about today, an apocalyptic hell scape. looking to this golden age, and it can be summed up, it really is this lurching back the country to this kind of vision of a 1950s white christian america that they feel is slipping away. >> let me play, this is the council for national policy executive director, bob mckewen. this is during a 2020 meeting about their involvement with trump's white house. here's what he said. >> we have a representative from the president every week. in fact, the president cut everybody coming to the meetings so now we meet at the white house one week a month for the purpose of helping him in the

goal. when legislation is stymied or when something needs to be done as you're going to hear testimony here in just a few moments, that's what we do. >> i think a lot of people don't understand why donald trump who is irreligious as it gets, i doubt he's ever stepped foot inside a church, but why he's so fanatically supported by evangelicals, but it's because of that open door. >> i think it is. and trump made an open play. if you listen to his stump speeches at the end of the campaign, he was always talking about i'm going to restore power to the christian church, by what he meant, white christian churches. >> they're still at it. the question of why they would be against kevin mccarthy, there's a gentleman who posted, his name is dave armiak, from the center of media and democracy. here's the agenda of the may 2021 council for policy meeting where byron donalds who we know was nominated by 20 members of the anti-mccarthy caucus, where he spoke at a panel with

mitchell and blackwell, who is one of the -- former ohio secretary of state, attending the national effort to protect voting rights. they opposed voting rights. representative chip roy, who introduced and nominated byron donalds, spoke on a panel at the same event and then he turns around and nominates donalds for speaker. it's not coincidental that you have chip roy and representative donalds, they have come together before under this umbrella. >> that's right. and you also have this group that was basically supportive of the insurrection and calling into question, it was kind of an instrumental ginni thomas, instrumental in the whole stop the steal movement and kind of allegations of voter fraud and biden wasn't really president, and all but two of these 20, right, are themselves election deniers. all kind of is a package here, and i think it's important to say, like, that part of this animating thing, if this is a spiritual battle and a battle of good and evil, this is a

fundamentally anti-democratic sentiment. he spelled it out in that quote. and he said we can do whatever it takes to win, which is of course justified if you think god is on your side. those are not the principles or values of democracy. those are the values of a theocracy. >> we talk about this a lot in our show meetings. it's one story, the insurrection, the evangelical right trying to take over, taking down roe v. wade and trying to reshape society. it's one story, not a bunch of stories. the same insurrection movement is, as lawrence o'donnell said, it's inside now, inside the capitol. >> and this one provision that looks technical about not opposing open seats, it really is about cementing these conservative candidates, ultra conservative right wing candidates and then the gop cannot play a moderating force. it's about handcuffing the party to submit this further far right takeover by these far right candidates. >> there you go. thank you very much. the voting continues on the house floor as kevin mccarthy

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>> we want to secure the border. we don't want the executive branch to do everything. >> republicans love to talk about immigration. while it makes for dramatic and sometimes tragic political theater and whatever you think about the issue, whatever you fall on it, the kind of heated rhetoric you hear from the party about immigration and the border doesn't solve the problem. here's the thing. it's actually been pretty clear for decades most in the party don't want to solve it. for decades, republican members of gres who are literally tasked with writing legislation to fix the broken immigration problem have repeatedly failed to come up with any serious legislative proposals. this morning president biden who sent congress an immigration proposal on day one of his administration, told republicans to get on board or get out of the way. >> i'll sit down with anyone who in good faith wants to fix our broken immigration system. and it's hard. it's hard on the best of circumstances. but if the most extreme republicans continue to

demagogue this issue and reject solutions, i'm left with only one choice. to act on my own to do as much as i can on my own to try to change the atmosphere. immigration reform needs to be a bipartisan issue. >> that warning came packed with action that includes an increase in border agents, asylum officers, and immigration judges. dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas, the guy tasked with managing the border and the guy republicans want to impeach, detailed tougher enforcement measures that the biden administration was taking at the border. which would allow agents to more quickly expel some migrants. president biden also said he would travel to el paso, texas, on sunday, on the border. joining me now is jen psaki, former white house press secretary and msnbc host who we're very glad to have, and my neighbor in the building. >> and my neighbor. >> so i mean, this is the thing that's kind of confounding. because we have heard this rhetoric really for decades about the border and immigration. and it never comes with a then and, and the one time republicans seem to say okay,

let's fix it, was the gang of eight. when marco rubio, john mccain, two other republicans and four democrats came up with a plan, and then rush limbaugh yelled at marco rubio and the plan fell apart because he turned against it. what is the evidence that republicans want more than the issue for their -- to gin up their electorate, that they want a solution? >> there is none. you teed me up, but there is none. they love this as a political election issue. and there are members and people, candidates running for office in states nowhere near the border that run on the border as their primary issue. that tells you a lot. what is true and what i think most people agree on, democrats, republican, nonpolitical people, is that the system is out dated, it's broken, it needs to be fixed. the asylum processing system is underfunded, it doesn't work. there's not enough security -- or not the right security, i should say, at the border. the wall was never going to work. that's nut the right kind of security. so there could be an actual

policy substantive discussion here. there won't be. there will not be. it's all optics and politics for them. >> you know, flying migrants to sit them at vice president harris' doorstep. >> using human beings as props. that's what they are doing. ripping children from the arms of their parents. let's not forget that was their policy just a few years ago. >> if you have a good faith desire to change the situation at the border, which is a problem. people just piling up at the mexican border, it becomes a problem for states that have to handle the influx. >> inhumane, states can't handle it. it is a security issue in some places. absolutely. >> and president biden, i call it bidening, when he says i'll sit down with anyone, that is true. >> he means it. >> but if he were to come up with a solution, it would involve things like looking at those countries in the triangle and their economies and putting enough money in, in terms of aid to those countries to make

people want to stay. it would involve working with mexico, because they have their strict immigration policies and say hey, how can we stem that influx and not have people piling up in your country on your side of the border, it would involve things unpopular with the base of the republican party. what can president biden do because i don't see them doing it? what could he be doing on his own? >> it's limited. this is the challenge. this is the huge challenge president biden has. and we saw democrats in the senate try to move forward on some immigration steps last summer. and steps that most people would agree on. taking care of those daca kids. who is against that? they also hate bunnies and ice cream, right? that is something they should get their heads around. really what is lacking here is something from the other side. okay, you don't like the asylum proposal. you don't like the daca proposal. what do you like? what's your alternative? >> what is the trip to the border get him? what does it get the president?

>> it allows him to brush that away and move forward. this has been one of the biggest attacks from republicans. you haven't even been to the border. you haven't seen what's happened. he's vocalized and said it's a problem, it's outdated, broken, we need to fix it. that's why he put forward a plan on his first day. this allows him to say i have been to the border, i put forward a plan. what's in your cupboard, what are you putting forward? >> one of the questions i have is does the u.s. have a real latin america problem. this is an international issue, not a national issue. not an issue you can solve by fixing something in texas. in your view, has the administration put forward a latin america policy that is coherent enough to deal with the push and not just the pull? >> it's a long term process, and i think the challenge is it's not something you can solve overnight. this is something the vice president has done a significant amount of work on, a significant amount of resources put into a lot of these latin american countries to improve what is

happening on the ground, but a lot of people are leaving desperate circumstances. humanitarian crises. haiti, cuba, other places. >> venezuela. >> venezuela, and the challenge is that these are countries where it's harder to solve the circumstances and what's happening on the ground. some of the proposals that have been put forward is allowing people to apply for asylum from within their country. if they can find a sponsor in the united states, they can come here, go through their asylum processing. those are good and those have worked in some capacities, but it's challenging, joy, and not something that any administration can solve overnight because it's going to take years to do that. >> you have also, well, the issue of sort of hostile -- we don't have time. we have to have you come back. you also have hostile governors in some states. a lot of haitians that came to florida. there's hostility to the arrivals. it's a complex issue. >> complex and politics don't always go together. >> coming up, the voting just

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about black people in two specific ways. the first way is to boost the identity politics while patting themselves on the back. >> and for the 1st time in history, there have been two black americans placed into the nomination for speaker of the house. >> which of course clears the way for their favorite tactic of misusing the words of civil rights icon. cue the one mlk quote they know. >> we do not seek to judge people by the color of their skin but rather the content of their character. >> ah yes, we reached the quote mlk portion of the program. we see a lot more of that on mlk day when republicans tweet about his legacy and that one quote. we saw more cringy displayed today when insurrectionist apologist dan bishop nominated byron donalds who is black as

speaker, while sharing how angry he felt about being accused of using donalds as a prop. >> that member elect wrote and sent out to america that byron donalds is a prop. i have spent a good bit of time with mr. donalds. especially lately. he ain't no prop. and if he were a prop, he wouldn't be sitting where he's sitting. this is the tired old grotesquely racist rhetoric we have seen far too long. >> me thinks the congressman protests too much. never mind he supports efforts that disproportionately hurt black americans. any black guy will do, especially one who is very nice, big in stackture, and goes along with the program. the second thing republicans

tend to do is play the match game, matching impressive black candidates with black conservatives. they've got one so we've got one gambit. they propped up alan keyes to face barack obama in the 2004 senate election in illinois. they let donald trump pick celebrity running back herschel walker to run against raphael warnock in georgia because, hey, football. by the way, has anybody heard from herschel walker since the election. he never called us back about that debate. now the far right is nominating byron donalds to counter the nomination of hakeem jeffries, the other black speaker candidate, the one in leadership for years and won all 212 votes in his caucus two times in a row. but when talking two black folks, things get even more awkward and terrible. just check this out, the conservative youth group turning group usa has an urban engagement activism kit. featuring a poster of an nba player most people have never heard of who is an anti-vaccer

and refused to take a knee, and let's not forget the fresh prince inspired pin, and white stickers modeled after a drake mix tape from nearly ten years ago. conservatives claim they don't play identity politics, but real talk, it looks self serving and problematic like they don't take black voters seriously, which might be why so few vote for them. i'm doing to bring in someone who knows quite a bit about his issue and also the issue on the floor. that would be one michael steele who is playing double duty talking about this and also what's happening on the floor. i believe we have applause, and i guess this means that the voting for tonight is done. kevin mccarthy has lost again. and i'm not sure -- let's just listen to see what's happening. >> the honorable kevin mccarthy of the state of california has received 200.

the honorable byron donalds of the state of florida has received 12. the honorable kevin hearn of the state of oklahoma has received seven. the honorable donald j. trump of the state of florida has received one. with one recorded as present. no nominee having received the majority of the votes cast, a speaker has not been for what purpose says the gentleman from louisiana seek recognition. >> i move that they how stands

adjourned until noon tomorrow. >> the question is on the motion that the house stands adjourned until noon tomorrow. those in favor say aye on -- those opposed, no. >> no. in the opinion of the chair, the nose of it. the yeas and nays are requested, those favoring a vote by the yeas and nays will rise. a sufficient number hasn't risen, people will require their vote by electronic device. this will be a 15-minute vote.

>> we are now gonna go to the portion where they have each person vote individually so they can count the yeas and nays, to confirm the chairs ruling that the yays have it, meaning they would not recess, essentially, until tomorrow. let's bring back and chairman michael steele. the noes are really loud, v nays are really loud. >> they were really loud. this is gonna be tough, i don't think, you know you've got four republicans who are gonna say no, and i suspect this motion will fail, and then hug to proceed with the 12th round. at some, point the leadership of the republican caucus, such as it is, are gonna have to go to kevin and say dude,

seriously? where do we go with this? -- who is at 20 coming into the day, is now a 12. so all this hoopla around, we have the opportunity to like the first black speaker the house. well, if the republicans wanted to do that, you've got 200 votes you can give him. >> or six. the reality is, when we when you make it, this does what i was talking about a minute ago. the gambit of the opposition to mccarthy. they've had a plan and it's very clear that their plan was to put up byron donalds to match jeffries, black guy for black guy, and say look, you can just pick him, he's got what? 19 votes? 17 votes. jeffries has 212, his six away, they really believe they want to black speaker, they can just give six minutes to jeffries, no? >> i would say is i don't know if that was so much of a plan,

i think that was an idea those arrived that after the fact to make mccarthy and the republicans writ large squirm because of that where the play that you would lead with that play that first day you put his name out there and you set the table that was not the case here and so you saw the jim jordan everybody in the caucus knows that jim jordan does not to be speaker of the house he wants to sit on the judiciary that has the power he wants to investigate he wants to stir the pot and never the race so he knew that going into this the whole day wasted on jim jordan clearly was to set one level of tone this became an afterthought with donels which is why this was for me for me personally so offensive because it was not serious is not genuine.

>> well they followed it up today by having the newly elected guy from texas and, you think it's timbers kevin mccarthy. >> i'm not taking it away from, that i agree with you on that but that speaks to the and seriousness of it all because none of these individuals whether's john james getting up and endorsing kevin mccarthy, is saying what he said, -- we grow the, house after serving one term in congress. >> that is the cynicism here, that in my view overrides the politics. where the politics is so offensive, that the cynicism becomes the play, and i think the american people look at that and shake their head.

i don't know how they'd had to govern after this, joy. and and whether or not that was their intention in the first place, is not the intention at this point. >> and gates nominating donald trump, there's a level of un-seriousness here, that makes me worry about the debt ceiling. because even if kevin mccarthy pulls, ossoff or whoever becomes speaker. how on earth to they get through a debt ceiling, a debt limit fight with his group of people, but as you just said, are playing games, unserious, and there asks are all about getting government, and their jobs are supposed to be to govern, not to under-do the government. >> let's bring in ali vitale, stay with me michael steele. ali, give me a read of what's going on on the floor, ali. >> we're watching these votes rolling in realtime, joy. we are here at the same time last, hour as kevin mccarthy in his folks tried to, adjourn after a day of negotiating and losing multiple ballots. so, here we are again, i think

one of the things that is change based on my colleagues that are in the chamber, is that andy biggs and lauren boebert voted yes to adjourn, i believe that they were in the know category yesterday, so there is a sign that at least for some of the people who are actively negotiating, whether it's a good faith or not, with mccarthy allies, there's a desire to continue negotiating, and perhaps do that without having to leave the room every 40 minutes to go vote again on another ballot that's gonna fail for mccarthy. we're gonna watch these votes roll, in and i will, say you have people on both sides of the aisle, democrats and republicans, saying that everybody should say in their seats, no one should go anywhere because really you are playing a numbers game here, when democrats are not trying to help republicans do this, but there is a big desire, i can tell, you just from seeing a lot of weary faces around this building on the part of staff, on the part of lawmakers, that they would like to at

least press pause on this for a little while. i think you've seen that reflected in the vote total here. i think that's what we're watching, but the clock is ticking down and these numbers are making their choices known in the seconds you and i are talking. >> we are in, us but not on part of the democrats, the democrats scream, know they're quite loud, it sounds like they could do this all night. >> they could but even still, you look at, this so far our friends in the chamber are confirming with the count up on the screen says, which is that no republican so far are voting against adjourning. i do think it's important to note what they're adjourning, for how long. right now, the voting on a journey until tomorrow at noon, and that doesn't help them avoid the problems we are talking about at the beginning of the, show which is they could start running into attendance problems. for all the number of reasons you and i talked, about there are people who have funerals, their people have new babies, there are people who have other personal and family commitments

they may not be willing to miss for this, and that makes kevin mccarthy's team running to another number's problem. >> absolutely, ali vitale, thank you very much, but go, far i'm sure chris hayes will avail of some of your services. michael steele, last word to you on this, because no matter how many votes take place, the 20 shift around, the 21 shift around but it isn't getting smaller. it's gotten bigger since beginning not smaller. so all the talk of them getting closer and closer to a deal, to my mind that says with every discussion, kevin mccarthy loses more of its high. and if he manages to pull this off, and i don't know when this becomes four, or three which is what he needs to be, he will be essentially politically clear naked by then. >> at this point it doesn't really matter, i think the american people need to understand fundamentally one thing, that regardless of whether or not kevin mccarthy becomes the speaker of the house, whomever the next

speaker is, is going to be decidedly weak in the role. you have seen and witnessed over the last couple of days, the growth and strength of the faction of the republican party, we -- that more than anything, else has always been the goal of those the freedom caucus going back to the early days of the tea party, going back to the days of newt gingrich, when they tactically will take down democrats, with darren now tactically taking down their own, and that tells you a lot about how they see this game. and unfortunately it, is for many of them, at this point. >>. i now handed