both of them are just doing their jobs, until they were targeted and threatened by the same predators and pedlers of lies which fueled the insurrection. they were literally forced from their homes, facing despicable racist taunts, despite it all, ruby freeman and shay moss found the courage to testify openly and honestly to the whole country and the world about their experience, to set the record straight about the lies, and defend the integrity of our elections. ruby and shay don't deserve what happened to you, but you do deserve the nation's eternal thanks for showing the dignity and grace of "we the people." presumptuous of me but i'm so proud of you both, proud of you both. albert smit, a former republican city commissioner in philadelphia, who spent a decade overseeing nonpartisan counting of votes, like so many other

local election workers, in 2020, he was harassed and threatened, as he did his job faithfully. he did not bend. he did not bow. he did not yield to the plim threats and pressure. -- political threats and pressure. he was so trusted by both political parties, that the new democratic governor of pennsylvania, josh shapiro, appointed him as pennsylvania's secretary of state, a republican who ensured the integrity of the elections. that's a high compliment. [ applause ] >> his character and his commitment speak volumes of "we the people." that's what we are also seeing in benson. twice elected -- jocelyn benson, twice elected in michigan to protect the sacred right to vote and have that vote counted fairly. that's what she did in 202.

when she oversaw a record number of michiganders turn out to vote in that election. finding an armed mob, an armed mob outside of her home on christmas eve, which she and her son were decorating their christmas tree inside. but she refused to back down. she had done her duty. she had kept her oath. full of integrity, she's a true leader in our nation. and thank you, thank you, thank you for what you've done. [ applause ] >> and finally rusty bowers. a former republican speaker of the house in the state of arizona, when i met him today, i said i hope i'm not hurting your reputation. where are you, rusty? he's hiding behind you, he's able to do that.

rusty we may not agree on all things but we agree what this country is about, we agree that public service is not what you're willing to do to win, it is about what you're willing to lose over, what you're willing to lose over. rusty put his obligations to the constitution of this country ahead of everything. refused intense political pressure to decertify the 2020 election results. his courage is part of the reason why he has lost his primary last year. rusty, you're an example, a demonstration, to every young man and woman thinking about entering politics, about what integrity, what integrity is all about. i'm not exaggerating. thank you, thank you for your integrity. [ applause ] >> folks, my fellow americans, i want you to give round of

applause again to the today's recipients of the presidential citizens medal, patriots who have performed exemplary deeds to the service of this great nation. let me close with this. 82 years ago, on this very day, in 1941, president franklin roosevelt delivered a state of the union address. it became known as his famous for freedom speech, as he defined america's place in the world. reminded the american people of, quote, the strength from the things which have been done to make its people conscious of their individual stake in the preservation of democratic life in america. things that have toughened the fiber of our people, renewed their faith, and strengthened their devotions to the institutions we protect, end of quote. 80 years ago, after that speech, on this day, two years ago, we were reminded about the most

fundamental of things, democracy itself. as i've said before, we face an inflection point in our nation's history. on january 6th, as a reminder, there's nothing guaranteed about our democracy. i remember learning in undergraduate school, high school, that every generation is required to earn it. defend it. protect it. i was a senator for a long time. i was vice president. and president. and i don't have to tell you, i began to think looking back on it, that it was just permanent in the united states. just was eternal. nothing would happen. that's why i am was so pleased to see democrats and republicans work together to pass the electoral count reform act, that i just signed into lieu to protect the will of the -- into law to protect the will of the people and the peaceful transfer of power and defending and

protecting our democracy means that despite our differences of opinion, we must state clearly, with a united voice, there is no place, none, zero, zero place in america, for voter intimidation, zero, never, political violence. they are completely contrary to the notion of democracy. you know, america's a land of laws and not chaos. a nation of peace and not violence. we're not a land of kings and dictators, autocrates and extremists. as we see in today's honorees, we're a nation of "we the people." that toughened our fiber. renew our faith. and strengthen our cause. just remember in who god's name we are. we are the united states of america. we're the united states of america. [ applause ] >> there's nothing, there is

nothing, there has never been a single thing we've set our mind to that we didn't fail to accomplish, there is nothing beyond our capacity if we act together and remember in who in god's name we are. so god bless you. and may god protect our troops. and may god protect those who stand watch other democracy. i now have the great opportunity and great honor to award these medals. lieutenant commander, would you come and read the citations? the president's medal recipientents. jocelyn benson. [ applause ]

jocelyn benson was elected twice by the people of michigan as the secretary of state where she continues her steadfast commitment to protect the right to vote and the integrity of our elections in the state of michigan. in 2020, she administered an election with record turnout, and certified the results in the face of unprecedented pressure and threats. including armed protesters outside her home. we the people honor the undaunted and unflinching michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson, who continues her exemplary public service, to advance free and fair elections in our nation. [ applause ] >> russell bowers.

[ applause ] . an artist, rancher and fourth generation arizonans rusto bowers represented the people of arizona for almost two decades. rising to become speaker of the house. in a dire hour of our democracy, he put country before party, by refusing attempts to decertify the 2020 election. and overturn the will of the people. he endured menacing protests, including at his home, and eventually lost his election because of his courageous actions. we the people honor rusty bowers, a public servant, guided by a deep faith and unbreakable oath to god, family and country. [ applause ]

>> harry dunn. [ applause ] >> a champion college football lineman, harry dunn has put his protective instincts to a higher purpose as a u.s. capitol police officer. on january 6th, 2021, he rushed to protect injured fellow officers fighting back insurrectionists. his powerful testimony describing violence and stinging racism laid bare the facts for history and his advocacy on behalf of officers battling lasting trauma, is helping to ease the stigma around mental health in our nation. for defending the citadel of our democracy, and for seeking truth and healing, we the people honor u.s. capitol police private

first class harry a. dunn. [ applause ] >> caroline edwards. [ applause ] >> the grand daughter of proud military veterans, caroline edwards left a corporate career to follow in their footsteps serving our nation. on january 6th, 2021, she helped stop advancing insurrectionists even after being knocked unconscious in the mob's first brutal surge. she has also sought for colleagues as a police union board member and peer counselor and her congressional testimony will help ensure their valor is never forgotten. for her courageous defense of our democracy, and service to fellow officers, we the people honor u.s. capitol police officer caroline edwards.

[ applause ] >> michael fanone. [ applause ] >> the grandson of a police officer, michael fanone was born to protect and serve. a decorated narcotics investigator, he took an off-duty call to the capitol on january 6th, 2021, helping to drive insurrectionists away from a key tunnel and facing vicious attack. he immediately became one of the day's most outspoken truth seekers. for his absolute courage in protecting the capitol and our democracy, and his tenacious search for accountability, we the people honor former metropolitan police department officer michael fanone.

[ applause ] >> ruby freeman. [ applause ] >> inspired by the voting rights legacy of her beloved atlanta, lady ruby freeman viewed her civic duty as a fulton county election worker as a sacred mission to ensure that the people of georgia could exercise their fundamental right to vote freely and fairly. in the 2020 election, she upheld that sacred mission despite an orchestrated campaign to overturn the election and that targeted and threatened her and her family. to the nation, she bore witness of the trauma and tragedy of that experience, and today, we

the people honor lady ruby freeman as part of our nation's voting rights history. [ applause ] >> aquilino gonell. [ applause ] >> as a child, he immigrated to america from the dominican republic. he became the first in his family to graduate college, serving in the u.s. army, and then in the u.s. capitol police. on january 6th, 2021, he courageously stood firm at the doors of the capitol, as insurrectionists stormed the entrance, sustaining serious injuries as he protected members

of congress and defended our democracy. he later testified publicly to ensure our nation and history never forget. for patriotism that puts love of country before self, we the people honor u.s. capitol police sergeant aquilino a. gonell. [ applause ] >> eugene goodman. [ applause ] >> an army combat veteran and a u.s. capitol police officer, eugene goodman embodies fearless public service. in the breach on january 6th, 2021, he made himself a target

to divert insurrectionists away from the senate chamber enabling the former vice president, lawmakers and staff, to escape safely. in the face of a clear and present danger, he did his duty and he did not flinch. for his valor, and for ensuring the constitutional order, we the people honor u.s. capitol police officer eugene goodman. [ applause ] >> daniel hodges. [ applause ] . >> a virginia national guardsman and metropolitan police department officer, daniel hodges has dedicated his life to serving his community and our

nation. on january 6th, 2021, he fought to push surging insurrectionists away from a key tunnel into the capitol, returning to the line even after being brutally crushed and beaten. his courageous testimony will help ensure that we never forget or let such an attack happen again. for his heroism and unwavering commitment to the truth, we the people honor metropolitan police department officer daniel hodges. [ applause ] >> dr. serena lavengood, accepting on behalf of howard liebengood. [ applause ] >> the proud son of a u.s. senate sergeant at arms, howard

liebengood left a career as a champion race car driver to follow in his late father's footsteps protecting the democratic institutions they both revered. he died after battling insurrectionists at the capitol and staying on to restore security in the crucial days after january 6th. his painful loss helped change the law to better honor the unimaginable sacrifice that too many officers and their families face. for his deep dedication and selfless service, we the people honor u.s. capitol police officer howard c.liebengood. [ applause ] >> andrea slaye moss. -- --

>> andrea shaye moss. >> inspired by the stories her mother told her about the movement for voting rights in america, shaye moss pursued a career as an election worker in fulton county, georgia. because of her dedicated service, she faced death threats, harassment, and intimidation, by those seeking to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election. she would later testify to the nation about her pain and resolve. today, we the people honor shaye moss for helping ensure the american people have a voice and a destiny of our nation. [ applause ] >> albert schmidt. [ applause ]

>> a former federal civil servant, and the city commissioner of philadelphia, albert schmidt has spent his career on the unsung yet necessary task of making democracy work for the people. in the 2020 election, despite intense political pressure, he did what he had always done, ensured the integrity of the election and faithfully oversaw the nonpartisan counting of the ballots. we the people honor albert schmidt for his clarity of purpose to protect every american's sacred right to vote and to have that vote counted. [ applause ] >> charles and gladys sicknick, accepting on behalf of brian d. sicknick.

[ applause ] >> a new jersey air national guardsman who served two tours overseas, brian sicknick was a u.s. capitol police officer devoted two serving our nation. for over a decade, he guarded the capitol, including on january 6th, 2021. he lost his life protecting our elected representatives. of holding the will of the american people, and defending our constitution. his heroism, courage, and character set an example for generations of americans to come and will never be forgotten. for his service, and his ultimate sacrifice, we the people honor u.s. capitol police officer brian d. sicknick. [ applause ]

>> aaron smith accepting on behalf of jeffrey l. smith. [ applause ] >> a 12-year veteran of the metropolitan police department, officer jeffery smith dedicated his life to public service. on january 6th, 2021, as he fought the violent mob, officer smith sustained devastating head injuries from multiple assaults inside and outside the capitol. he died after protecting congress, guarding the capitol, and preserving our democracy. his passing sparked changes in the law that honor the silent injuries of our fallen officers. for his extraordinary heroism, pure courage, and unwavering devotion to the nation, we the

people honor metropolitan police department officer jeffrey l. smith. [ applause ] >> well, as i said, at the outset, this is warned, in some sense is overdue, but also incredibly difficult for the families and particularly the families of those who lost a hero defending our democracy. and i'll tell you, people who will go through unfortunately

similar losses are going to look at you all and say, that's the greatest in dignity that i want to display. so really, thank you. thank you, thank you, thank you. i want to thank you again for your service and sacrifice, and may god bless your families, may god protect our troops. thank you all very much. [ applause ] >> please remain in your seats as the president, vice president, second gentlemen, and recipients depart. thank you. >> you have been watching an emotional ceremony at the white house with president biden honoring the heroes who worked to save lives and democracy on

january 6th. as the country pauses to remember that day, two years ago, the insurrection at the united states capitol building, the president describing the people on stage assembled as history, remembering their names forever. remarking on the legacy that they work to uphold their service, the people you see, including law enforcement officers, including elections workers, and others, who were instrumental to preserving the safety, democracy after that day. it is a remarkable notable and noteworthy split screen to what we're seeing today, where the president is holding the ceremony at the white house, the speaker drama continuing to unfold. no speaker of the house, even not now. let's bring you up to speed on what has happened on that side of the thing. at the moment, you have those on the house floor delivering a roll call here of whether they should move to adjourn, in other words press pause until 10:00 p.m. tonight. part of the reason on that is because two members of congress,

two republicans, two mccarthy-supporting republicans, are set to get back into town, talking about wesley hunt and ken buck, later on this evening. so kevin mccarthy and his alleys are hoping to buy some time, until those members get back, as he has again picked up some momentum on this most recent ballot. you are watching live now the house floor, as that continues to unfold. i want to bring in msnbc corners garrett haake, ali vital. steve kornacki, and former chief communications officer to paul ryan and john boehner, brendan buck. >> if the two republicans come back, the magic number goes to 2018, and by my count, if these numbers continue to hold, 216. still to too short. no? >> yes. he gets these here. harris comes off the defectors

list. here are the republicans so far who are left refusing to vote for kevin mccarthy. gary, you have kevin mccarthy. >> i had kevin mccarthy, i apologize, a quick minute as he was walking off the floor, he thinks he will be speaker of the house tonight and he said he has members coming back in and he knows he has some people to convince, as steve was saying, he has to turn some of those no votes on the board to present, but or at least present, if not yes. and mccarthy continues to be extremely confident he can pull this off. now the delay is sort of an adjournment brought to you by united airlines, to get these two members back, who he knows wilt vote for him. and then it is just a matter of figuring out how, what tools are available to him, to close the deal with these last two. i was told by the republican leadership to look toward andy biggs, ironic, given biggs was the figure head vote, sort of vote sink against mccarthy.

behind closed doors and the first ballot in the speaker election, somebody who might be flipable here, and also matt rosendale potentially somebody who the leadership team will be leaning on but it is essentially all of the stops are pulled out now, for the next several hours, and focus on getting those two members back here, in their seats, and the remaining holdouts flipped at least halfway to present. >> brendan bucks, you have biggs on your bingo card for the most likely flipable member at this point. >> you get down to this and think about relationships and where can people go, gosar of arizona was one of the big holdouts and he flipped earlier today. so we have a big arizona delegation issue. eli crane, another freshman from arizona. so you try to see if somebody who has a lot of credentials, they have the relationships, can you work their friends, and move them over, you have two freshmen there, those are always hard to figure out but freshman, this is

a big affect to be standing between the new speaker and definitely got to work them, boebert, you know, i think is very malleable, and somebody who tends to follow the crowd a bit, so i can see her, so there are a lot of targets, and there are a lot of places that we can go and we know gaetz and goodwill never be there and the remaining handful, i'm looking at a list, i can make an argument that you can get a part of it. rosendale very passionate but largely arguing about policy, procedure, and if you're just worrying about procedure, that person is definitely in play. so a lot of opportunity here. with the members coming back. i think it is a very real possibility that kevin mccarthy pulls this off tonight. >> i will go back to you, garrett. minor-ish question, but do they have the votes to get to an adjournment. i know a roll call is happening now. i assume they are confident of that. >> we're watching that. there are no republican no votes that i can see on the board in front of me yet. which means to do anything, the last couple of days, you need two out of the three factions to agree. republicans, democrats, and the anti-mccarthy republicans. it looks like republicans have

agreement amongst themselves. those two factions are on board. so we're still going. but unlike, you know, as we often talk about votes, we were watching a big piece of policy go through, we're 15 minutes, it is not really 15 minutes because party leaders can hold votes open, there are no party leaders right now with any authority to hold anything open. so we will know more or less right away when the clos strikes zero. >> garrett, thank you. >> it sounds like, i think ali vitali is with us, and based on the reporting that garrett, and we will turn that sound on with you and leader mccarthy and sorry we couldn't get that live for that. and mccarthy sounds confident, midnight tonight, before the clock strikes another day, he will have the votes to become speaker of the house. tell me about the reporting behind the scenes there. >> we will see it when we see it. clearly they are operating on a time time line that is not mccarthy's own. and this is happening throughout the week and especially last night as mccarthy was leaving,

you could tell he was as optimistic as he had ever been. and clearly, he had good reason to be. our reporting from overnight that this morning held firm, in terms of those numbers actually coming to fruition on the house floor. his negotiating team was able to get, you know, the ten to 15, ultimately we saw it was 15 people that they thought they would get with that negotiation on board, and this is what they always thought was going to happen, the fact that they would have a phase one that got them a really solid chunk of people that showed they were able to move the ball forward, in a significant way. and then they knew that phase two was always going to be individual by individual, the stragglers, as these people, and my sources have called them to me, trying to see what it would take, either to get them to flip, or just to vote present. because right now, you and i, and steve kornacki and all of russ doing the same math that we can get to 216, when ken buck and hunt come back tonight. and it takes a while to fly back, for example, from texas, so that's part of what the holdup is here. but i think that everyone knows

that 216 is the number that is in the can already. and the question is, do you get enough that people can vote present, that the magic number slides down? that is really what this negotiating team is trying to focus on right now. as i've been texting key members who have been part of this process, and i've been doing that over the course of last few hours, everything seems very possible. they don't feel that any doors are closed. they don't feel that they're overly backed into a corner, and that absolutely nothing can move. they know that gaetz has always been sort of the chaos agent in this process. they were never really trying to get matt gaetz. the same goes for bob good. but in the same way that brendan is doing his unofficial whip coun, that's what i'm doing, too, that's what all of my sources who i'm texting are doing as well trying to figure out where the pressure points are, where the levers are that they can pull to get them where they're trying to go. i said this last night. they will take yes for an answer. and when they get, it they want to get it on the floor and it sounds like, likely, if nothing changes here, and i know that's

a huge caveat to make, given what we've all just gone through, but if nothing changes here, and this framework agreement holds, then it does sound like, when they come back from this adjournment around 10:00 tonight, that mccarthy should have the votes for speaker by then. this buys them the time that they need to do this final straggler negotiating and hopefully get to where they need to go. >> heather cable, punchbowl news managing editor joining us. what are the next six and a half hours of kevin mccarthy's life look like. what is happening behind closed doors for him and his team? >> yes, i mean that's a great question. he and his allies are going to pressure these holdouts, right? there are six holdouts. three of them seem much more gettable than the other three. just before i came on tv, i saw andy biggs, eli crane, matt rosendale, the three that they think maybe they can get, meet with bob good, who they do not think will ever support kevin mccarthy, they left the capitol, they did not take any questions as they were leaving about whether they would potentially change their votes if they could

be swayed in any way. so i think they're going to have conversations. those people will hear from mccarthy allies and hear from mccarthy himself, and what is that we can give to you get to you yes. as garrett said earlier, it is very, very lard at this point to be a freshman, and for matt rosendale, and to be the one who blocks kevin mccarthy from getting the speakership, right? but also, if you take the stand this long, he may not be the vote that puts him over the top and say his name. so maybe they can get him to vote present and bring the total down a little bit. i think there will be heavy negotiations. we expect wesley hunt and ken buck to be back by around 8:30 so that gives them an hour and a half or so to get to the capitol and everybody in place for the 10:00 p.m. vote. >> rachel is here, pull on the freshman factor, and tell us specifically that the freshman that the mccarthy team is targeting and this is eli crane. what is at stake for him and

others? >> if you're a freshman, you have just come to washington, you have a lot of relationships that you need to fill, you're sort of at the low end of the totem pole, you want to get things done for your district to be re-elected, defeating another republican in the primary or going to the general election an winning again. so to do things, and to go home to your constituents, and say look, this is what i've done for you, you have to have good relationships. and so as a freshman coming in, you know, you don't know anybody. and so there is going to be a lot of pressure on them to sort of cave here. i think one of the benefits they have is that perhaps they don't realize that, you know, if they were to continue to hold out, this could really hurt their political careers. so you know, they're going to be weighing these factors. i think, you know, it is important to sort of step back here and say just how big of a prove this was for mccarthy today. i was talking to republicans in his camp last night who were telling me that they thought, you know, this was inevitable. that he would have to step aside. that he would never was going to get there.

even people who are on his whip team and sort of in the room negotiating, they were telling me that they most they thought they could get ten of the detractors with this deal. they thought 14. and now flipped another, to 15. so this is a huge win. on his part. and a momentum certainly carrying him forward. one of the questions i have is can't he use some of these new supporters, people like scott perry, who is from pennsylvania, he was one of the top critics for mccarthy, has long been an adversary of him in the house, can they get him to sort of convince some of these holdouts that it's okay to back mccarthy. he's going to be potentially critical in a way that jim jordan who was originally one of the founders of the freedom caucus, has been over the past few days for kevin mccarthy. >> i will ask everybody to press pause for a second. we need to sneak in a quick commercial break and we will come back if in fact the motion for adjourn procedure ends up called in the next two minutes. stay with us. ends up

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quarters and come back. >> and go to dinner, and some have kids with them, and retreat to their corners and re-set a little bit. it will be a long night here. i think notably, the question that mccarthy was answering and we caught the tail end of this, he was answering a question for a reporter who said how do you expect to govern this way? if it took this long for you guys to get united, just around who is going to lead you, and i think that's a question that as we start turning our attention certainly not past the speaker vote, because nothing is a sure thing until it is a sure thing, but as we consider the implications of it, certainly the negotiating that it took to get them to this point is going to have clear-cut impact on the way that the house runs, whether it's just the simple matter of hours that need to elapse between a bill introduced and a bill voted on. of course what ends up happening when things like spending, given the fact that you're going to have spending hawks now on key committees that control not just how money flows, but how things gets to the house floor, brenz

brendan knows well and has explained at length the way the rules committee functions as a stopgap committee before things go to the house floor. that is really important. just in terms of the way the place functions, i think it is important to note that kevin mccarthy has the same margin that nancy pelosi lass had over the course of the last few years, and you talk to democrats who credit her for having the acumen of knowing her caucus, knowing how to count votes before she gets to the floor, and certainly that wasn't the calculus here, and it gives us a sense of how this is going to go forward. i don't think anyone in this house had an expectation, hallie, that we're about to go into a real period of activity and things getting passed. we're in a period of divided government. but certainly this is instructive for those of us who cover this place and for americans who see what it does, it will be a rocky two years. >> ali, stand by for us if you will. steve kornacki, let me go back to you, and i am sorry to have

to cut you off here, in the programming, we are dealing with a lot of live events and a lot of things happening on the hill. and talking about the math, assuming that things will hold and assuming nobody will defect away from mccarthy and only continue the momentum he has picked up and we know two members are coming back, ken buck, hunt, and the magic number is 218 that kevin mccarthy needs to get to. he will probably have 216. explain what happens, and if you can, can you take us inside the district perhaps, i don't know if you, can or maybe later, but of somebody like an eli crane, for example, somebody like an andy biggs? >> so yes, you get those two members back and go from 214 to 216, assuming all of the democrats are still there, and voting tonight, which has been the case in all but one ballot and then the magic number is 218. and you just saw andy harris on that last ballot break over and vote for mccarthy. so the pool of hold juts is what you're seeing right here. these six names. now, there's 212 votes on that

last one for hakeem jeffries. now, one way to look at this, the simplest path for mccarthy to win the speakership tonight is any of these names that say jordan, win over two of them, at least mathematically, the simplest path to get votes from two of them. that would be 218. the other path when you start to hear the talk about present votes, waiting for mccarthy's team to reason some of these republican holdouts and say, you still don't have to actually vote for mccarthy, you can say you didn't vote for him on every ballot and you can vote present instead, because remember, a present vote does not count as an official vote. and what they could do with that, they could get, if they could get three, three from this list of six, to vote present, it would lower the number of total voting members to 431. and the magic number with 431 is

216. so what that would look like is 216 mccarthy votes, and 212 jeffries votes. three of these six still voting for jordan or whoever else, and then three of them voting present. if you did that, you wouldn't actually need to pick up an affirmative vote from any of these six holdouts and you could win the speakership. could they get two to vote for mccarthy? could they get three to vote present? and the other scenario would be, could you get one to vote for mccarthy, and one to vote present? because if you got one to vote present, the threshold would come to 217. and then that one voting for mccarthy would get you up to 217. so there are a couple of ways at it here, that they could combine getting people to vote for mccarthy, getting present votes, or maybe just getting three present votes. you get three present votes, from these six, and that would be enough to make him speaker.

and generally speaking in terms of the districts, these are republicans from deeply republican districts, the political incentive that might be behind some of rosendale's rhetoric, is the likelihood of the senate run in 2024. >> that's right. >> interestingly enough, from all of these candidates shall the one from the closest approximation to a swing district is lauren boebert, and her district voted for donald trump by just 8 points in 2020, and of course, boebert just survived her re-election by the skin of her teeth. she actually had an extremely close re-election race, so boebert here is the closest to a swing for republican, the closest on the long list of hold holdouts that we've been seeing all week with scott perry of pennsylvania voting by four points and perry two ballots ago, freedom caucus chair, ended up breaking and going with mccarthy. >> i want to clarify two things and pick up a thread that you're laying down, there are three scenarios that get kevin mccarthy to the speakership

tonight. i want to be super crystal clear in laying out for the audience, and check one thing. if one person flips and votes mccarthy, it would only take one person voting present? >> here's how that would work, right? we're saying with the two more coming back, it gets them to 216. >> and 434 the chamber total. >> yes. and that's the key. 434 voting members. and when there's 434 the magic number is 218, that's 50% plus one. if you pick up one, if you're kevin mccarthy, 217. okay? democrats stay at 212. now, there are five left on this board. let's say four vote against you. but one votes present. right? now, there are 433 official votes cast. and 50% plus one of 433 is 217. that present vote reduces the magic number to 217. and you're at 217 then if you're

mccarthy. so get one of these six to vote for kevin mccarthy, and get one of these six to vote present, and you can then afford four voting against you. so that is another way at it for them. >> got it. so three scenarios. number one, straight up. two people vote and vote mccarthy. scenario one. scenario number two, three people currently voting for jim jordan vote present. third scenario, one person flips to mccarthy and one person votes present. that's how he gets it done at 10:00 tonight? >> all three of those work. >> yes. >> steve, thank you very much. i want to talk more about what steve mentioned which is the possibility of local, right, district politics coming into play, but i have to sneak in one more quick break. we'll be right back. i promise. more quick break we'll be right back. i promise. like this one! 50% off?! that deal's so good we don't even need an eight-time all-star to tell you about it. wait what? get it before it's gone on the subway app!

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it is good to have you with the spec i want to pull at the graphic that we have of the people who are here. there are political dynamics at play as we look at the people who kevin mccarthy and his allies are targeting the most. i had somebody text me a moment ago, everybody is a future senate candidate, you cannot let somebody get to the right to be in the delegation which made beat the consideration for congressman rose and dale with the incoming freshman who seems that they are targeting. tell us what he would be doing if you are on mccarthy's team? >> well, i inc. of those six members, probably the one that cares the most about his reputation and about his ability to work with other colleagues is andy biggs. i know that is somebody on the team who they are focused on, trying to lobby and get him to the point where he will either support mccarthy, or take one of these offramp's that you and steve were discussing earlier. he is somebody who can corroborate.

the reminder, he ran against mccarthy, and was the original vessel for this whole anti- mccarthy movement. so, he is in a position to maybe extract some additional concessions, and then deliver for leadership. i think it is also smart that mccarthy is bringing everyone back tonight it is friday night, people want to get home, there is a psychological element to all of this, they are hoping that can push these members, and maybe they are also hoping they can get lucky and a couple of democrats may not be able to make it back. there is a lot at play here. i think that biggs might be the solution for mccarthy pixma what does it take to get them across the finish line? >> well, there might be something that he is asking for that he has not gotten yet, or at the very least, there is the promise that they are going to include him, maybe a committee assignment that he will not be

ostracized for being one of the last holdouts. again, he is someone, who unlike matt mack gaetz, who does not care about what anybody things about him, he has no aspirations to grow in the u.s. house. andy biggs 's personality is different, he is more amenable and flexible. i do think he is gettable. >> congressman, thank you very much for being with us. before we sneak in a quick break in 15 seconds, tell us where it is going? >> we are still playing the waiting game and we will be doing that until 10 o'clock tonight. mccarthy sounds confident, they are trying to figure out who they can pick off, maybe coming from unexpected places. gaetz descending open now pixma i will let you untethered yourself from the camera and go roam and do some actual reporting.

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