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house to capitol hill with the collision of two historic and deeply connected events. the first, the ongoing crisis over the house speakership still unfolding in the house at this moment, which just voted to adjourn until 10:00 pm tonight after 13 votes took pl. and the speaker was still not elected pickett is something that has not happened in american politics in 164 years. since before the civil war. the second event, the anniversary of the january 6 insurrection. the worst attack on the united its capital in centuries. the commemoration today took place at the white house where pres. joe biden awarded the country second highest civilian honor, the presidential citizens will to 14 people who were instrumental in making sure that american democracy survived the coup attempt by the ex-president and his republican allies. it is group that includes first responders, officers, as well as election workers like ruby freeman and shane mossberg we have a chance to speak to two

of those metal recipients later in our program. democrats also held a solemn ceremony at the steps of the us capital. not a single republican showed up today. hakeem jeffries paying tribute to the officers who died on january 6, his first official act as minority leader, watch. >> the violent insurrectionists stormed the capitol and attempted to halt the peaceful transfer of power. a cornerstone of our republic. they failed. they failed because of the bravery and valor of the united states capital for both, and the metropolitan opera department officers who fought heroically to defend our democracy. we will never forget their mac sacrifice, and we will never forget this day. >> two years to the day in

which a mob stormed the us capital hoping to put a stop to the peaceful transfer of power, and endangering the lives the vp and every single member of congress. the aftershock from the insurrection are still being felt, thanks in no small part to the decision of the man who is now desperately trying, and at the moment, still failing, to become house speaker work that would be kevin mccarthy. the man who once said that donald trump bears responsibility for january 6 has spent the last two years embracing the ex-president and his allies, including members who are intimately involved in overturning the results of the 2020 election, then defending them against any and all attempts of accountability, even an investigation by their mac on colleagues, including republicans in congress. with his own deputy, liz cheney taking a stand against the insurrection, kevin mccarthy told chose to oust her from the leadership team to ultimately lose her own congress. everything mccarthy has done,

none of it is enough of these members of his caucus. he says a handful of republicans who still remain in the january 6 committee site throughout the investigation now leading the effort to deny kevin mccarthy the speakership, using their mac power to bring the house to a standstill. a crisis in congress on the anniversary of the january 6 insurrection is where we begin today. joining us live on the is with the latest, senior capitol hill correspondence garrett, jackie the investable -- my friend all week long, former republican congressman david jolly is back with us. garrett, you have been doing the reporting all week, but take me through what happened so far today, and what your understanding about the six hour gap between any business on the floor will be spent.

>> well, when you walk to the floor this afternoon, kevin mccarthy told me they would have movement in his direction today and he was right, we very quickly saw the results of some negotiations that were going on over night last night, primarily with chip roy and scott perry and the group around them wanting warms and how the house does its business, house republicans had a conference call this morning with a laid out what they've been describing it is as a framework for the changes they want to put into place in the new rules package when they went to the floor he first had a dozen members on the first round of voting, another member after that, now they are in a recess, the recess is largely to accommodate travel from the central and mountain time zones. you have two members who have been supporting mccarthy who had gone home for various reasons, ken buck has gone back to colorado for medical treatment of some kind, and wesley hunt his wife just had a baby down in houston, texas earlier this week, he thought he would be in town for a day or two, got stuck a little bit longer and i understand he went

home last night and is being called back to dc this evening. mccarthy and his ally think 14 is going to be the lucky number. they read the return of these two gentlemen and the opportunity they now have in the next couple of hours to flip one or two or maybe three of the remaining holdouts will get him over thesometime late tonight. >> what has he given a way to get the likes of scott perry and chip roy? we are still learning about the framework, it seems like the kind of thing that is not entirely done yet. when i hear framework i get flashbacks to negotiations democrats were having more than a year ago, a framework is in a law, it is not in agreement necessarily, it is not something that can pass. what we understand is happening here and we as we have discussed , the motion to vacate, the move to allow any member of either party to offer a motion to vacate the chair, to oust the speaker at any time. that was described to me by scott

perry as a way to have oversight over the most powerful person in congress. that is going to be in there. also you will have freedom caucus members in particular, and their mac allies on the rules committee, which control everything that gets to the floor or not, and when. mccarthy was to get to pick them but will be picking from a list of conservatives. i think the thinking there is to have fights happen off the floor before they get there. beyond that, there is some not entirely well-defined language about how spending and debt deals will be dealt with in the future. and put a pin in that, i think that is the area where this republican-controlled house has to do business with the democratic-controlled senate and the democratic-controlled white house but they are not going to do a lot of work, if any with those two bodies going forward, expect >> except on the must -- debt related issues. we understand there is a relation in this framework that could require spending cuts or cutbacks or negotiation around

previous fiscal year budgets, it seems to be something of a work in progress, but it is a mechanism to force physical restraint on a body that has shown no appetite to do it in democrat and republican -controlled years pics mac >> scott perry is known to be the architect of the coup plot on doj, he's been reported to be under criminal scrutiny by the justice department. what committees has he asked to lead or be a part of? >> that is a good question. my understanding in what the members have said is that they have not asked for specific committee meet seats for themselves, that is also not the kind of thing that would necessarily be in the rules package pickett might take us a while to find out if members are going to be switching and hopping around. now he's been on judiciary and the past. i think he first came onto my radar as a defender of donald trump during the first impeachment, i expect he will

keep that seat. but beyond that, i am not able to say. >> justino, if a guy under criminal investigation by the justice department would like to be the judiciary committee, it seems that would be scary pics mac he is already on it. he is a ranking member right now? or was he? >> no, he is not. it would be jim jordan who still has the gavel. that is part of the reason that jordan never got off the ground as an alternate speaker can candidate, he did not want the job, he wants to hold the gavel and run investigation and focus on the things that he thinks he does best, not trying to do this coalition building that has -- mccarthy for the last few days pics mac has been reporting that pieces have been offered many days this week and kevin mccarthy's office, i don't know if you can call it the speaker's office, he moved in, he's not at the speaker. so, do we know that champagne has been offered if he can get

there tonight? >> i could not speak to the catering situation [ laughter ] but, mccarthy does very much believe he gets there tonight, that's what he's been telling reporters. they project confidence all the time, whether it is warranted or not, but he's been increasingly bullish over the last 24 hours or so. the map seems to be breaking in his favor. mac gaetz two has been his most persistent sort of arsenal at times, opponent, really going after him throughout the progress was talking to reporters a few minutes ago and he seemed resigned to the fact that mccarthy has the numbers. we are talking about what he perceived as a success of the faction, putting mccarthy in a straitjacket, in his words, going forward. i think even those who have been most opposed to mccarthy seemed resigned to the fact that he will get there tonight, perhaps, as early as 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock pics mac garrett,

you are our mvp, thank you for being there for us. we will let you go. you know, wave your arms and we will come right back to you pixma think you for calling. jackie, let me share a couple of things with you. adam kinzinger tweeted this last night, the deals being made were terrible for the country and the party on brent they are picking ego over country, it's time for a compromise candidate. and let me show you liz cheney, some of our conversations have been about the work of cheney and kinzinger who joined the democrats on the committee. there she is basically predicting the kind of run mccarthy would have this week. >> he has been completely unfaithful to the constitution, demonstrated a total lack of understanding of the significance and the importance of the role of speaker. at every moment since, frankly, the aftermath of the election in 2020, when minority leader

mccarthy had the opportunity to do the right thing or do something that serves his own political purpose, he always chooses that pics mac he is very consistent, every single time he had to make a choice between what is right, or his political future, he chooses his political future. and, so, the speaker of the house is second in line to the presidency. it is, you know, we need somebody much better to be speaker of the house. >> jackie, it is one of those things that i knew, sort of schoolhouse rock level education [ laughter ] like finger in an electrical socket to be reminded that what all of this is about is about the succession to the president of the united states. has someone more inadequate come forward in modern history? i guess that is that question for another day, your take on how this week has played out? >> it is sort of funny to now listen to liz cheney and have

the epiphany that there is at least one thing that cheney and matt gaetz have in common, this feeling that speaker-elect, potentially kevin mccarthy has sold his soul for this job and at the end of the day it is going to render him powerless, speaker in name only, as we are hearing sort of circulate this week as we have watched this play out, and as people might be familiar with, i'm sitting in my know that of the house for, it certainly has been a dramatic week. inc. is faction of hard-minors, they have had different reasons for their mac objections to mccarthy. you have seen this group of six republicans who are never -- members for ever, people like mike rosen dale, lauren boebert, matt gaetz, who seem to be against mccarthy for, potentially, more ideological, personal reasons. also, i think the fact that it is the way that they view

government, and their mac roles in congress, and the pedicle to being a member of congress, which is a whole separate conversation, versus the group of heart-minors that you saw huddle and ultimately give their mac vote to mccarthy earlier this morning. people like chip roy, scott perry, congresswoman luna, people who now feel like, as matt gaetz has said, they are effectively going to get mccarthy to be imprisoned in a functional straitjacket with some of the concessions that he has already agreed to. garrett touched on this. it includes keeping defense spending level, the same as 2022, which effectively means $75 billion cut in military spending, which as kinzinger said, is potentially dangerous for national security, at least to end the bubbling view of some physical -- and other factions of the conservative party,

there's also going to be more of these house freedom caucus members put on the rules committee. remember at the end of the day, the framework is not normally ratified until someone does become speaker and the committee then has to formally accept these rules. but, if you put more conservative members on the rules committee, that is effectively cementing some of the concessions that mccarthy is agreeing to, then a motion to vacate. but look, there have been no consensus members, i don't think anyone really wants this job at the end of the day. you know, it is going to be a challenging one going ahead, and dealing with the actual job of legislating and everything could potentially become a drag out battle, as we have seen happen this week. makino, david jolly in the straitjacket is the term that matt gaetz uses, there is so

much irony, i don't have the time in two hours but, this idea of shamelessness, of scott perry, who is under criminal investigation versus his role in the january 6 election, he's been under federal criminal investigation for child sex trafficking, holding not just the parties, but driving the car. the charge of what is happening on the two year anniversary of the deadly interaction of january 6. it is just gob smacking to me. let's start with that, that is an important piece of this on the two year anniversary, kevin mccarthy really having no presence whatsoever in recognizing the tragedy and the injury to our democracy, the sacrifice of people who protected it today. think about this, he has later elected speaker of the house, this is somebody who really had no acknowledgment of the injury to democracy that occurred two years ago in that very chamber, that is very telling that we need to keep that in context here.

and listen, we have talked for a long time but i said mccarthy could not get there, he may indeed prove me wrong later tonight, it is remarkable the currency you have when you stand for nothing, it could take you a long ways, perhaps to the speakers office. i am not sure yet, though. and also, the way the week is going, we don't need to write that script yet either. here is the intriguing thing. there are two pieces that have not really been talked about. we talk about kevin mccarthy getting rolled and getting over the levers of integrity at the house, but do you know who else is getting old and who is knowingly giving those over, 200 people who have stuck with kevin through this. the 200 members of congress who are watching the institution get shredded, who are watching the chairman of the house freedom caucus become more powerful for the next two years than the speaker of the house, that takes 200 members to stick with kevin through this, and for many viewers it is probably the members who have stayed silent this week.

i don't think we can give them a pass, because they are getting rolled, they are being unique and scoreless just like kevin mccarthy is in giving away muster the institution. but let's get to tonight, can he get it done? look, mccarthy had a huge day. he shifted the momentum, he shifted the power dynamic, they have isolated matt gaetz and boebert and others what they wanted to, they negotiated with perry and roy and they got what they wanted. but, let's look at the final six. we need three of those to vote pres., you need to pickup two of them, or you need to sort of pickup one for mccarthy and one -- good and gaetz and boebert has said no no way. maybe they do get rolled and they change them at my. but those three have said no way. that means you are down two kids, rosen dale and crane. and you either need to get all three of them to vote, one for mccarthy, or two of those three . that is a lot of constituent

pressure right now. and this is the final piece we don't really focus on. this is now a very does that relationship these members are going to go through in the next six hours with their mac constituents. rosen dale wants to run for senate in the state of montana. that is going to dictate whether he both yes or plays ball with mccarthy. the screen is a freshman year of congress, we just don't know. so, mccarthy might say the numbers are there. maybe he gets there, but we are about x hours too early before we can actually write the script basement correct, the person with the script is joining us now, founder of punch bowl news and msnbc contributor, what do they say? can you pick up exactly where he left off? >> he is going to get there. a number of reasons, number one i am getting signals now, i don't know this, i have not talked to my neck gates. but, i that he i just have an odd feeling.

maybe he will go doesn't, i don't know. but, you know, this is just a hunch i have. i could be completely wrong, but the amount, david touched on this, the amount of pressure that is going to come on people like eli crane and andy biggs, matt gaetz, it's going to be tremendous. and it is just going to be overwhelming. and listen. could this go off the rails? sure. but, mccarthy is on the doorstep. and getting to the floor and saying no and voting against mccarthy is hard enough, which is why it is amazing that there were 20 against him, and it is kind of amazing that he was able to hold the 200 together. but, i don't think that this day, or maybe tomorrow he comes speaker, but i don't think picking the next 12 hours, i guess from now, i do believe he will be speaker of the house.

now, what david said is right, he has given over the keys to the institution in many respects to the right. but, there are some very popular changes that he made, they don't outweigh the other things he did, but the guts of what chip detroit was trying to do. even some democrats would say they are good for the house has an institution picked some of the other stuff is the huge defense cut, you know, a couple of pieces of legislation that will come up that -- to say the least. but also, the shop was open for business. like, if you held out here, you could get anything you want, and he is going to get a subcommittee chairmanship out of appropriations. i mean if you are a no-boat, you could ask for them in and if kevin mccarthy could deliver it, he would. so, there was a desperation by mccarthy, which gave huge incentives for these people to hold out. but, the amount of pressure on somebody like eli crane, who

was supported by former pres. donald trump, there are a number of navy seals on capitol hill in the republican party, all of them are exerting tremendous pressure to come around. so, the dynamics here are very interesting. i do feel modestly confident that they will and with mccarthy being speaker. >> and then what? what does he do? next week on the could one member exercise they mike right for the speakership? >> yes, and that is subject to a majority vote in the house, he would have the same, basically over again, i don't think that will happen next week. do i think they will get to the congress, or the serious threat of a vacate food? i don't. i think that will happen at some point, whether he does it or not is the question, it happens at some point. now, this congress, you have been watching all week, this is what the congress is going to be like that i don't say that lightly. they are going to have to pass rules pixel, garrett said this

before. the rules committee controls the floor, it becomes much more powerful than it was in the 1920s when it was the power center of congress. and rules get to the floor, republican have to pass these on their mac on, democrats will not be helping, that means five no votes they cannot bring the bill to the floor. this is going to be, and not even to mention the goal, the oversight at this republican majority is going to conduct will be explosive, controversial , heated picked these two years are just going to be very, very crazy and heated, and wild to watch pickett is going to be last week may be taking it down a notch, but spread over two years. not to mention debt limit, government funding, and argument on ukraine at some point. all of this stuff is going to be very explosive pics mac did kevin mccarthy do anything to commemorate the capitol pebble officers and law enforcement officials who saved his life to go years ago today?

>> i did not see anything he did, i don't think he went back i was not at the bipartisan ceremony. i don't believe he attended, i believe some republicans attended. on the east front of the capitol at hocking jeffries and nancy pelosi posted, but i don't leave mccarthy was there. >> one republican was there, i am told. let me play you. if he is on the eve of becoming speaker, i want to play all of the viewers, because harry dan will be here. i think it is important to make clear where the future speaker of the house stood on who is responsible for january 6, let me play this for you. let me be clear to all of you. i have been very clear to the president. he bears responsibility for his words and actions. no if's and's or but's pickett asked him personally today if he had responsibility for what happened , if he felt bad about what happened. he told me he does have some responsibility for what

happened. >> i have had it with this guy emma what he did is unacceptable . nobody can defend that and nobody should defend it. >> i want to bring you in jackie on this as well, this is what jason crow had to say about the fact that not only did kevin mccarthy swallow those words and choke on those with and do everything to back up and ideals that he did last week on capitol hill. here is what he had to say about the fact that all of his allies are the strongest republicans in the chamber now. >> will, i was there on january 6, as you know, i was trapped in the house gallery surrounded by that mob that killed a bubble officer and brutally beat over 100 others. that was a terrible day pickett was really terrible. you know, what i have learned right now is that you have the group of republicans who have

forsaken their mac oath and their mac duty. they are more interested in power, more interested in supporting, frankly a sociopathic ex-president, then they are in doing the work of the american people. these people are sitting in the house. that is just the reality. >> jackie, there isãthat is the reality. >> it is, actually i had a moment today where sort of some cognitive dissonance asking scott perry about securing a deal on the debt ceiling, as opposed to asking him why he engaged in potentially criminal actions to overturn the result of the election. that being said you know, it's patrick was the lone republican to stand with democrats today, to commemorate this bubble officers who served and protected everyone in the building and many others. i talked to a bubble officer waiting online for lunch today, and going about all of the business. the last thing they want to be doing is also coming

in to have to work, because republicans cannot figure this out and get kevin mccarthy over the finish line to become speaker. you know, again, you are going to be hearing a lot more from some of the people who were at the top of the food chain when it came to being the liaisons between congress and the trump administration and the white house, in the efforts to overturn now determining republican policy in this conference. but, in that same vein, i think that the legislative goals are less, they want to do less than more here. this is more about obstructionism at the end of the day, then actually getting things done pickett is more about preventing spending, and reining in with mccarthy and

getting as much control as possible to sort of pare back a lot of what they had seen, as a sector of the day, reckless spending and whatnot pics cannot all right, not jackie and david are sticking around with us. if, we will let you go pickett we learn anything else, wave your arms and we will get the camera back on you. it appears we have coming up, capitol pebble officer awarded one of our nation's highest honors for protecting the united states of america. we will also be joined by michigan election official dustin benson honored as well today at the white house, michigan secretary of state stood for two years with those speaking to overturn the election and now. +2 years after writer stormed the us capitol, the congressional committee investigating the insurrection does not exist anymore picked the work product will live on forever through the justice

department, or in the public's mind and understanding what happened. some of the members paid a political price and one of them former congresswoman said it was worth it in order to protect and conserve our democracy. she will be our guest on the two year anniversary of the capitol insurrection, a big two hours of news ahead for us when the white house continues after a quick break, don't go anywhere. anywhere. i think i changed my mind about these glasses. yeah, it happens. that's why visionworks gives you 100 days to change your mind. it's simple. anything else i can help you with? like what? visionworks. see the difference.

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to the state two years ago our democracy held, because we, the people did not flinch, on this

day of remembrance we honor a remarkable group of americans who embodied -- 2021. pfc. harry dunn. out he was outside speaker pelosi's office, he stood guard protecting fellow officers who were already injured. he was fighting back insurrectionist across the capitol while being called the vilest racist names -- officer dunn acted with remarkable courage and valor to defend our people picky went on to say that generations to come will think of him and these officers, and thank them for their mac service but >> the president joe biden today

is one of 14 recipients that were honored in our work of preventing the 2020 election from being overturned by disgraced president x pres. and his allies. including officer caroline edwards come the first edwardã mike injured byãmedical washington bubble officer he was injured in the attack. -- the sergeant with the capitol bubble who was injured in the attack >> who led a pro-trump mob away from the entrance to the senate chamber. the got really close during the attack. daniel hodges, in washington bubble officer injured in the attack, his first time in the capitol. and the officers who gave their mac lives to defend the capitol. pres. biden recognizing election officials who resisted efforts to overturn the democracy, ruby freeman, her daughter, the process allies during the 2020

election for the fulton county georgia election board, forcefully -- falsely accused of fraud. the former arizona house republican and our schmidt of pennsylvania who stood up to pahrump and insisted all absentee ballots be counted. also jocelyn benson in michigan, joins us for the next hour. we are honored to be joined by capitol pebble officer harry dunn who is missing the festivities to talk to us. -- you are so important to the country, you are so important to all of us. your heroics -- on that day, but i think you saw the twitter thread today, in checking on people and asking that question are you okay? and normalizing the conversation about the answer being know. i know you are a lot of

people's hero and a metal is not enough, congratulations on the high honor today. thank you. i appreciate it, and as you know, i have really at a loss for words, but i am over the moon elated and completely humbled to be standing here as a recipient of this metal right now pics make you know, i actually watched the president's speech and i cry through the whole thing and i thought i would get through it the steam time and not cry. but, do you feel, in looking at the body of work from the select committee, that it was just palpable, the way the whole country wants to lift all of you up, we value our democracy, or that maybe we knew we needed to quickly understand the threat. pc sort of a mix of silver lining, i don't know if that was disrespectful considering the sacrifices that day.

you know, law enforcement for the last few years has been a hot topic issue, and rightfully so. there's a lot of practices and things that need to be addressed with policing. however, on that day, the capitol pebble in the metropolitan public officers killed two. we did our job, we upheld our own. we, at the moment, it is hard to stayãmike say that we descended democracy, our oath was to defend it democracy. i think every single day we are doing our job you know, defending democracy, whether it is standing outside the house chamber while they decide on who the speaker is, or fighting the insurrectionist mob two years ago. >> how do you feel we are doing as a country, in terms of what you and all the officers have called for in calling for

accountability, what grade would you give us? >> you know, i was talking to somebody, it is two years ago. it seems like yesterday i can still taste the pepper spray in the air and hear the sound of the metal poles being struck against spec i can still hear it, it is palpable. but then you think 730 days is so long to wait for accountability, i joked around and said you know if i was the atty. gen. ãback on i would've overturn this on january 7 but luckily i am not the atty. gen. but we need to do it correctly. but it is taking a long time, and i have to keep being patient. what other choice do we have the size to be patient? what other choice do we have? >> what are your thoughts about seeing the members who deny the violence? you just described better than

i could the sound of the polls and flags being used against the shield and against the officers as well, the injuries, i know it caused the sergeant to resign from pebble work and law enforcement. what do you make of the power and the enthusiastic insurrectionist in the house of representatives? >> you know, i think about that often. the ultimate sign of accountability for the elected the shoals is a ballot box. and these people who choose to be ignorant about what happened that day, somewhat describe it as willfully ignorant. if you don't believe what your eyesãback i would not know what to tell you, but the ultimate accountability is at the ballot box.

if there are constituents that continue to elect, i think that signals that we have a bigger problem as a country, more so than the person who is in that position. it is different than that one person, to see people continue to be elected back to office. >> i don't have any power to charge people that i think plainly committed crimes on tv on purpose either, but you have a whole lot of supporters watching right now. what can we do? i have this idea that you and prince harry could change the entire world conversation about mental health. i think you have contributed to the conversation, especially as a strong male public figure, it is so important. but what conversations do you want to keep going? what can we do? >> the vulnerability of prince harry, by the way, it is remarkable, and good on him pics peanut right? this is what i always say we need two hours.

we could have a whole conversation. >> good on him. you know, this is not easy. i would -- in a heartbeat to go back to not knowing that anybody knew who i was. i would kick this matter back in a heartbeat, but we are here. and you can either show up in the moment, or succumb to it and i don't plan on succumbing pics officer dunn, it's my understanding you have not made it to the party being thrown in your honor, please go inside, we are grateful for talking to us pics peanut thankful thank you, i was glad to talk with you pics peanut thank you, we will make that happen. [ laughter ] thank you, my friend. up next, reflecting on the body of work for the january 6 select committee with former congressman elaine rory who will be our guest just ahead. don't go anywhere. n't go anywh. you should know you can build new bone with evenity®

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meticulous work, painstaking work on behalf of the members of the january 6 committee has met does not begin to describe the attention to detail, the committee's final forensic analysis is the result of thousands of interviews, tens of thousands of hours of video, millions of documents, they were able to curate all of that and presented to the american people in an understandable way, and what reward did they receive? only five are still in congress voting for speaker again today. they are --, four committee members no longer elected officials in our country, the two republicans areãmike and elaine lori as well, it is a true loss, a true tragedy, in large part because of how perfectly inch essentially they presented difficult truths. i spent two decades on ships at sea, defending our nation from

known and identifiable foreign enemies who sought to do us harm. i never imagined that enemy would come from within. i was notãmike has abraham lincoln, who 23 years before the civil war said, if destruction be our lot, we must come ourselves, be our author and the finisher. donald trump was the author, and we, the people for ourselves and our posterity, should not let donald trump to be the finisher. >> joining us now, elaine lori of virginia, she served on the select committee. i believe the last time we spoke to you, you are running out from committee work and making yourself available to talk about the evidence. and i want to ask you both about that product, but i want to start with how has this week been so weird to not be there?

>> it has, but my last day in office i went to the eastern shore of virginia with constituents to present awards for community project funding for important infrastructure and broadband work. it has literally been about three days. so, adjusting to it and speaking about what is next. >> what about the final product do you want people to still be talking about? i feel like it is business on the republican side that was not playing out. i would still be pulling pages out of the transcript. i only needed about the need to wait through the transcript before that a method sort of knocked that off the news. and i wonder in our line of work, what should we be poring over? well, i think there is plenty for you to go back to, again, but what i say, that's not the accountability.

you know, -- something similar a couple of days ago. we are not a nation with a foot soldiers and 900 people who have been charged and petty crimes to sedition, that they are held accountable, but the people at the top are not. and i think the work of the committee and criminal referrals are really important, i think it is a strong message to the justice department. they don't have to act on it, and i hope that investigation leads to something or account to t for the former pres. and people close to him who enabled this and called the rioters to be seen and who spread the election lies. and one of the things that is the most heartening still is that as we watch the mess on the house or, these are the very people, two thirds of the republicans voted to not certify the election results on january 6, and we are looking for leaders, kevin mccarthy is as far as you can get from a leader. he did not say the right thing on january 7 picking oconee

played a call earlier from him as well saying the former president bears responsibility, he called out the violence. yet, he did not take too long until he was on his way down to mar-a-lago back with trump and continued to lead his merry band of other members of the house in denying the truth. >> one of the most powerful forces has-beens scott perry who is known to be under criminal scrutiny for his role of electors and the plot atop doj that was completely penetrated by your investigation. it cannot sit well to see these members who snubbed invitation to talk to the committee, not just in chamber, while liz che and adam kinzinger, but holding all of the power. >> you know, i guess i have a lot of feelings watching what's going on.

it's a little bit like amateur hour. it's kind of ironic that, you know, the republicans just lambasted nancy pelosi year after year after year, every time i ran for office, you know, the critique was against nancy pelosi. but looking today, i mean, kevin mccarthy is not anywhere close to being able to lead his caucus. and you know, whatever negotiations and deals he's making in these back rooms, that's going to loom over his head through this entire congress. i think this is two years, but they're not going to accomplish anything. my summary of it, what do you think this congress will be about? i said, it's about grievances. it's not about governing. you know, they ran their races on and they went in to have investigations interfering, hunter biden's laptop, they're probably going to investigate the january 6th committee, you know, i'll be investigated, you know, now i'm hearing they want to make a deal to investigate the fbi and cia. you know, calling it an investigation and a witch hunt is wrong. congressional oversight, that's correct and that's the role of congress. but they've made it about

grievances. and i don't think there'll be any governing possible with kevin mccarthy as speaker. >> can you take us through -- i mean, i watched your race very closely on election night, in part because it's a tough district and it's always important on election night, but also being so familiar with your work and the importance to the select committee of the things that you looked at specifically, can you just take us back, sort of to some of your thought levels from november. you had a mountain of work to do after that night, and just share with us. you were at work until the last day on monday. >> so, you know, at the end of this congress, we certainly had a lot of work to put everything together into this comprehensive report that we could present to the public, you know, as a member of congress, as well. there's a lot of work to be done, you know, as we head to pass the defense bill, you know, the appropriations and, you know, particularly proud of the largest defense budget in history and the largest

ship-building budget, but also the things that we were able to do for constituents here in the district. so, you know, really just continue to focus on that. you know, literally, until the last hour of my term in office. >> one of the last public ways that we saw you was the public hearing on monday before christmas, when the criminal referrals were made for donald trump. if doj -- i know you have said, if you have to do it again, you have no regrets and you would participate in the committee's investigation again, but if doj doesn't act on any of those referrals. if they don't see the evidence the way the committee did, and the committee had some restraint, it's my understanding, that you guys only referred the crimes where you thought the evidence existed to pursue criminal investigations and/or prosecutions with trump, will it still have been worth it? >> i think that, you know, there's accountability in multiple ways. obviously, we are seeking and i would like to see accountability through the department of justice, through the criminal

referrals, and have confidence that the special prosecutor and from what i see in outside interviews that the department of justice is conducting in this investigation, that is moving forward. and they have tools as a congressional committee that were not available to us. the other accountability is at the ballot box. and i think that after the work of the committee, what we presented over the course of this last year in our public hearings, you know, i would like with confidence to say that the american people are not going to ever send former president trump near the white house again. >> i think we all feel that way, especially after feeling all the evidence that your committee produced. i hope you will not be a stranger to us. thank you for your service. >> well, thank you for having me back. >> david jolly has stuck around. david jolly, i want to ask you about the congresswoman's comments, because they echo almost exactly officer harry dunn's comments, accountability, accountability, accountability, accountability, and both of them made the painful points that when it comes to the rule of

law, there had been known for donald trump's role in the january 6th insurrection. >> that's right. there was a grievous injury cast upon our republic two years ago today. and both the officer and the congresswoman did their part to protect the republican in the days after. the day of and the days and years after. and i think it ties into what we're living through right now, nicole, because we are about to see a very different thematic coming out of the congress. and congresswoman luria referred to this. we will now see a congress that investigates law enforcement for their activities on january 6th, and investigates the fbi and doj for trying to get to the bottom of this assault on democracy. we will see a congress investigate, perhaps, the 1/6 committee members themselves as congresswoman alluded to and they will share a very different story with the country, in a way

that reflects the viewpoints of insurrectionists, of conspiracy theorists, of people who tried to steal an election, to aid and abet a former president who used the levers of democracy to rip people's rights and steal an election. and that is what we've been watching play out this week. the opportunity to set a new narrative that denies history, denies fact, denies truth, and ultimately leads us to a more dangerous place. that will be the true theme of these next two years under kevin mccarthy or whoever becomes the next republican speaker of the house. >> david jolly, you were the person that every morning i said, i could not do this without. i could not live without your understanding of what we saw on the screen and your sort of nimble ability to analyze the great reporting we were getting from capitol hill. so for helping me all week long, thank you very, very, very much. and you are not off the hook yet, keep your dance card free next week.

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it is just unbelievable to see in person, nicole and brian, what i've been witnessing all day. i mean, there were thousands of people on the steps -- well, i'm going to step out of the way so miguel can get a clear picture as well of what we're seeing up there. so president trump's message was actually coming out of the speakers as you can see at the top of the steps there above the inauguration balcony, just a couple of minutes ago. all of this set-up, all of these bleachers here, all of this

set-up on the inauguration balcony, that's for president-elect joe biden's inauguration in just two weeks' time. instead, over the last couple of hours, they have been filled to the brim with rioters and protesters trying to breach the capitol. >> hi, again, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york. that was the phenomenal reporting from my colleagues on the ground at the united states capitol building. that was yasmin vassoughian at the top of the 5:00 p.m. hour, brian williams, my former colleague and i were sitting right here two years ago today. the now twice-impeached ex-president had finally broken his 187 minutes of silence, his supporters had turned into rioters and they were just starting to leave the capitol. my director reminded me it looked more like a tailgate, after violently storming it with the intention of stopping the certification of president-elect joe biden's win. they, of course, failed in the end, and in a few hours, lawmakers would make their way back to the house and senate

chambers and finish their work and finish the process. january 6th 2021 was a surreal and disturbing day. at the time of yasmin's reporting, all we have are questions. now, two years later, some questions remain, but many, many of them have been answered. in the last two years, the department of justice has worked tirelessly to bring those who were at the capitol and who descended on the capitol building to justice. more than 950 people have been arrested. 484 have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, including seditious conspiracy. we also have a much clearer understanding of the others involved who were not physically at the u.s. capitol, including the twice-impeached ex-president and his inner circle. that is thanks to the extensive 18-month investigation by the january 6th select committee. their vast trove of evidence and testimonies painted a stunning picture of the ex-president's incitement of the riot and just how far his efforts went to stay in power. yet with all of that work, the

threats to our democracy are as clear and present as ever, because the republican party in large part has refused over the last two years to acknowledge that a deadly intersection is what took place that day. that party has refused to acknowledge that the 2020 election was free of fraud and that president joe biden is the rightful victor. earlier on the steps of the u.s. capitol, house members held a solemn remembrance, marking the second anniversary of the attack. only one house republican attended, that we know of. his name is brian fitzpatrick. he's from pennsylvania and he attended that ceremony today. other than him, today's gop is a party being driven by its most extreme members, as we see clearly with the chaos over the last few days over the vote for their own leader, house speaker. the house has now adjourned until 10:00 p.m. eastern tonight, after kevin mccarthy picked up support, but still once again lost his bid for speaker on the 13th blot. we can draw a sharp line between what happened two years ago and what is taking place on the hill

in the very same halls and the very same chambers right now. of the 20 lawmakers who have voted against kevin mccarthy the first 12 times, 15 of them were members of congress in 2021. of those 15,certifying the 2020l election results. our friends at nbc's first read put this week's dysfunction into perspective. what it happened two years ago? answer, congress wouldn't be able to fulfill its constitutional and legal duet to certify the electoral college results from the most recent presidential election. the ongoing insurrection is where we begin this hour. the member of the 1/6 select committee adam schiff. do you think we will call you congressman schiff again by this time tomorrow? >> i certainly hope so. the business of the country needs to move forward. i am desperately concerned with all of the concessions that mccarthy has made to these hard-liners, all with the object of giving him the title of speaker without the powers to

conduct that office and i'm afraid it's a harbinger of what we're going to see, going from crisis to crisis. we may risk a default on our national debt. we may have prolonged government shutdowns. this group can, you know, essentially hold kevin mccarthy hostage at any time. and so, i'm worried what it means for the country's future that there is such disarray within the republican party. but you're exactly right, nicole. kevin mccarthy is reaping what he sowed when he voted against certifying the last election, when he resurrected donald trump, when he really catered to this extreme element in the gop. >> you know, and what's so -- i don't want to use a word to denote anything positive, but what's so vexing about kevin mccarthy is that on that day, he saw trump's role in the same way

that i know liz cheney has, the same way i did. and what seems to have done so much damage to the body and to democracy by extension is the contortion around it. do you have a preference or do you have a view on whether or not he -- i mean, are you rooting for him to continue to whip the vote? do you have a position on who becomes the republican leader and then the speaker? >> you know, i would like at the end of the day for it to be somewhat decent, someone who has a core set of values, and that shouldn't be too much to ask. i think in kevin mccarthy's case, that is too much to ask. and so i hope it is someone else. i think there are other people that the republican party could coalesce around. and even though i would disagree strongly with them on issues, at least they would be people that could be trusted, you know, by their own members, and hopefully by democrats, if they earn that trust. but i don't think that's kevin mccarthy. and so i'm one -- i'm a former

believer that we need at least two functional parties in the country. we don't have that at the moment. we have only one functional party. but i would like to see the republican party return to its roots of a party of a conservative ideology. frankly, i would be happy if it became a party of any ideology. but right now it's led by these chaos agents. and that just doesn't portend well for the next two years. >> what image of the country has been transmitted to sort of the streams of information and intelligence being gobbled up by our adversaries this week? what do they see as their ongoing vulnerabilities and weaknesses in our democracy? >> well, nicole, i can only imagine, because one of the outcomes of this lack of speakership, lack of being sworn in is members can't go get classified briefings on exactly that. but given what we've seen in the past, given what we know of how foreign powers exploited our

tragedy of january 6th, how they pushed out those images, how they used it, how china, for example, used it to make the case that democracy doesn't work, that it's brittle, that it can't adapt to the times, that the china model was somehow to be preferred. the china model is dictatorship. it's totalitarianism. that is not an alternative. but the more that our adversaries can showcase american governmental dysfunction, the harder it is for us to promote democracy abroad, when we are exhibiting such shortcomings at home. and it's been moving for all of us to be at the capitol today on the are anniversary of january 6th. it has remind med of one of the very strong emotions that i had that day, which was in thinking about how the rest of the world was viewing america and our democracy and how much the very idea of our country was being lost and i felt that way again today and not just because it

was the anniversary, but because of what i was witnessing on the house floor. >> on this anniversary, we had a chance to speak to officer harry dunn, who won the civilian medal today from the president. and he noted the amount of time it's taken for any accountability in our judicial system for donald trump and his inner circle. now, in the days since the insurrection, a bipartisan commission was pitched, it gamed support, it was then killed by republican leaders and in its ashes rose up the january 6th select committee, which was formed, staffed, initiated an investigation, conducted an investigation, televised public hearings, wrote a report, and has now been disbanded and no longer exists. why hasn't there been any action from the department of justice in the time that all of that was able to transpire, in terms of holding donald trump and his inner circle legally, criminally accountable?

>> it's an excellent question. and i can really only speculate as to the answer, because the justice department is not going to tell congress why it has been so slow to act, but i think while they move with alacrity against those who broke into the building and assaulted police officers that day, they were very slow to work against the ring leaders, very slow to work against the multiple lines of effort that didn't involve, you know, explicitly the violence of that day, but involved the president, on the phone with the secretary of state in georgia, basically demanding that he find 11,780 votes that didn't exist. and other lines of effort to overturn the election. there's no reason why congress should have finished its investigation before the justice department that can move so much more quickly, that can enforce its subpoenas so much more easily than we can. but i do think that the caution of the department is in part a response to bill barr's terrible politicization of the department and a desire to avoid

controversy and to move away from any suggestion that it was following that terrible model. but taken to an extreme, that caution becomes a form of immunity for the former president and his enablers. and that to me is the far greater danger to our democracy at this point. yes, prosecuting a former president is unprecedented, but so were the crimes committed by this former president. and not prosecuting when the evidence supports it is, i think, the far greater danger to the country. >> the committee members for four of your former committee members are no longer in the body. congresswoman elaine loreya is one of them. she said she's ready to be investigated. you have triggered the insurrection-adjacent right for years since leading the first impeachment and that was a role reversal. i'm old enough to remember a time in politics when republicans sought your insights on foreign policy questions and national security matters. what are you preparing for as

kevin mccarthy has just given away the keys to -- i don't know if you would still call it a kingdom, i guess we do out of reverence to the institution, and they're gunning for you, to investigate you. >> yeah, well, you know, i know kevin mccarthy, one of his first concessions to the right was to promise to remove me from the intelligence committee. they want to, i think, try to neuter any vigorous oversight of what they do. anyone who will stand up to trump and to his enablers in the congress and outside the congress. and frankly, i'm far more concerned not about what they do with my, you know, service on the intelligence committee, but rather what they do in two years from now if we have another close election. the last one really wasn't that close. but if it comes down to a single state next time, and it comes down to an interpretation of the electoral count act or they succeed in getting a state

legislature to certify a slate that lost in the state with a sort of unilateral and bogus declaration of fraud, that's what worries me. that's what should worry all americans. you know, i will be prepared for whatever they come after me with. it can't be worse than what donald trump tried. but nonetheless, the far greater concern is what they do to our institutions and what they do after the next election. >> congressman-elect, i truly hope the next time we talk to you, you are once again congressman adam schiff. thank you very much for starting us off on this truly historic day. thank you very much, sir. >> thank you. as members of congress remembered the horrific events of january 6th over on one side of pennsylvania avenue, president joe biden honored 14 heroes for their work in protecting american democracy two years ago today. we spoke with one of them, capitol police officer harry dunn in the last hour. the president also presented the presidential citizens medal to election workers and officials who stood up against efforts to

overturn the results of the 2020 election. here is what he said about one of today's recipients, a familiar face to all of you, michigan secretary of state jocelyn benison. >> jocelyn benison, twice elected michigan's secretary of state to protect the sacred right to vote and have that vote counted fairly. that's what she did in 2020, when she oversaw a record number of michiganders to vote in that election, only to find an armed mob outside of her home on christmas eve, when she and her son were decorating their christmas tree inside. but she refused to back down. she'd done her duty. she'd kept her oath, full of integrity, she is a true leader in our nation and thank you, thank you, thank you for what you've done. i mean it. [ applause ] >> michigan secretary of state,

jocelyn benson joins us right now from outside the white house, where i will apologize to you from officer dunn, you are missing a party being thrown to honor you to talk to us, so thank you very much. i feel like we first reached out to you and got to know you after that terrifying incident that the president cited today, and in some ways it feels like it was yesterday, and in others, it feels like you've been doing just your job under the threat of violence against yourself and your family forever. what was today like? >> well, first, nicole, thanks for having me. i'll always make time for you, and thank you for this continued unrelenting spotlight that you put on the threats to our democracy. today was a recognition that though we've overcome a lot, and it's incredible and surreal to be honored, really simply just for doing your duty and ensuring that every voice is heard and every vote counts, which i'm honored to be able to do on a regular basis, but also that we're not out of it yet. that as officer dunn said earlier, political accountability may have

occurred, but legal accountability has not. we saw the rejection of voters by election deniers, running for office in 2022. but we have yet to see legal accountability for those who attacked our capitol and tried to nullify the will of the american people. so we're not out of it yet. and until we are, all of us will continue to stand guard over our elections and over our democracy. >> you know, there's something so visibly broken when you watch pardon seekers, i think five of the 20 who have been voting against donald trump sought pardons. so that means in their minds, they were potentially guilty of criminal acts, to watch scott perry, the ring leader and the architect of the doj-specific coupe plot, andy biggs. the most insurrection enthusiastic members are the ones that are controlling what happens and who leads that caucus. what are your feelings about what you've watched this week on the republican side of the house

of representatives? >> it's not a reflection of what the american people voted for in 2022. it's not a reflection of what is best for all citizens, be they democrat, republican, or independent. and, you know, serving, whether it be in congress or the white house or the governor, secretary of state, means putting the needs of the people you serve ahead of yourself. and that is not what we're seeing in congress. and that is really -- or by some in congress, and not what the nation has been seeing. and it really shows, as i said earlier this week, you know, how far does the nation have to wait for our elected representatives to put country first, and know that that is what we elect our officials to do and what we expect of all of them, be they democrat, republican, moderate, extreme, they all serve the american people and need to remember that. >> you know, i thought of adam

kinzinger saying, you know, liz cheney and i aren't heroes, we just look good compared to the cowards on right. i thought about that comment as i watched the hi jinx going on the republican side. there's this feeling of watching tarantulas in a bowl, there's no one to root for, because they're all poisonous in the end, to one another, including. but i've also thought that we're so desperate for some sort of happy ending, but you constantly remind us, and i think adam schiff did as well and harry dunn did as well, that it is the ongoing vigilance. and you won a medal for protecting democracy in 2020, largely, but i know of your efforts every day since then. and of the threats that you still live under. and i wonder if you think in our lifetimes, it's the threat to our democracy and the truth abate. >> well, i think what we saw in 2020 was how fragile our democracy is and how it truly, it's life and it's life blood depends on the american people. it depends on all of us voting.

it depends on all of us holding our elected officials accountable. and it depends on elected officials and people of integrity standing guard over the will of the people once those votes are cast to ensure every vote is counted. that's always been the case. that always will be the case. sometimes our threats that we face may be greater than others, but there is never going to be a time when our country doesn't require men and women from both sides of the aisle and all over, from all backgrounds and perspectives to stand guard over who we are as americans, this basic ideal that we should elect and hold accountable those who govern us at the state and federal level. that's an ideal worth fighting for, an ideal that i will spend my life fighting for, and we can ensure that not only that democracy prevails, but we emerge this time and into the future with a healthy and more robust democracy than ever before. >> we are so grateful that through the extraordinary events that your state and our country has been through over the last few years that we have got.

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on this second anniversary of a failed coup attempt, the january 6th insurrection, we look to what happened in the latest elections, just two months ago to take stock of what our democracy stands. "the washington post" reporting on that, quote, voters in the six major battlegrounds where trump tried to reverse his defeat in 2020 rejected election denying candidates seeking to control their state's election systems. it's a signal that americans have grown weary of the former president's unfounded claims of widespread fraud. but in the house, where 175 election deniers won their races, it was a different story. the figure represents a sizable increase over the previous congress where 139 house

republicans voted against the electoral college count, following the assault on the u.s. capitol. joining our coverage, "new york times" congressional reporter, luke broadwater is back. joining us, donna edwards, and eddie glad is back. john and eddie are msnbc contributors. luke broadwater, i start with you. it is your body of reporting that i think ties these two stories that we're living through this week together. the events of january 6th, efforts to unearth them and uncover them, the complete obstruction and smearing, frankly of the committee members and the committee's product. and now those members including many who voted -- all of them, i guess kevin mccarthy is no different than scott perry in that regard, mangling the house's effort to exist this week. there is no house of representatives. there are no members of congress today. they're all members-elect.

>> right, yeah. and there's a lot of overlap between that hard right wing of the republican party that led as donald trump's top lieutenants to overturn the 2020 election. i'm not just talking about, you know, all the people that voted to overturn the election, because that's a majority of house republicans, but really the hard-right group, who really planned with donald trump and plotted with donald trump for how they could bring people to washington, how they could object on the house floor, how they could put maximum pressure on their colleagues. that group, many of those same people are the same people who plunged the house into chaos this week, who caused, you know, members' security clearances to be revoked, and you know, for no member to be able to sworn in, for no bill to be able to passed, for no resolution to be able to be passed. so you're seeing a lot of the extremism from that hard-right flank of the republican party

play out here again. and there's really a through line. it's many of the same people that were involved with january 6th. there's been no real punishment for them in any way. yes, some of them got subpoenas. yet, some of them have been referred to the house ethics committee. but for the most part, they are back again in a place of influence. they're really central to these negotiations. and they are essentially empowered. >> yeah, scott perry is one of the members that reporters who have been on this program report to have been in hot and heavy negotiations with kevin mccarthy to flip him. he's been flipped. do we know what he got? >> well, we don't know exactly all the detais yet, but we know some of them. you know, obviously, this motion to vacate, which would extremely weaken the speakership is one of them. any single hard-right member can raise this and call for a snap vote to try to force kevin

mccarthy from the speakership. they've asked for plum committee assignments for house freedom caucus members to be on influential committees. they've asked for a process where any member can add for the spending bills to be broken up and passed individually. there's a lot of things that they've pushed for, which, you know, in their view, they think it will democratize the house. but, you know, a lot of the democrats i've been talking with who have run appropriations and run ways and means, they say the reason they've been passing things this way was to ghemt past. if you break things down like this and give so much power to these rank and file, especially the more extreme ones, you end up getting nothing passed. you won't have any funding of the military. you won't have -- you know, we could potentially default on the debt. there are a lot of real concerns that as the democrats i've talked to on the hill tell me

about, as they're reviewing these proposals that kevin mccarthy's accepting for how the house should be run. >> donna, i think that luke's reporting is so on the nose. and i think as we stand back and take it in, isn't it clear to you that that's the point? that we can't fund our military, that we can't pass bills, that we don't function? >> well, i mean, this is a group of, i guess you can call them lawmakers. they're members of congress, who really don't want to get anything done. and i think that these proposed changes to committees and committee assignments and even how somebody gets on a committee, basically evading their steering and policy committee, and making changes on the rules committee, which is effectively a leadership committee that allows bills to, you know, operate under rules that get to the floor, so they can pass them. and so, you know, this group of members who are allied with the

insurrectionists, who are election deniers, have been given the power to control the house of representatives. and i think, you know, at the end of the day, this comes back to bite mccarthy and the rest of the republican conference and the congress, because, i can anticipate that they will quickly move to vacate the chair as soon as something doesn't go their way. and this will again continue to disrupt the functioning of the house, and that is their intent. >> you know, eddy, i can never -- i know i need to abandon logic if i'm going to continue to cover the insurrection wing of the republican party, which in the house is 138 of them, and not just this 20, but, they're only there because they trust the ballots on which their names were on the same piece of paper as donald trump's. they're only there, they're only in congress because there was no fraud in 2020 or 2022.

and their position to this day is that the election results were garbage, including in some of their own districts. what do we do in this post-truth, post-democracy house republican conference? >> oh, wow, that's such a large question, nicole, in so many ways, right? so one thing that we have to do is we have to understand, for those republicans that you've just described, that there are only particular voters who matter. there are only particular people who they accord, right, the right, the responsibility of citizenship. so it makes sense that they think that they won, when they think fraud occurred in these other spaces, like atlanta, like detroit, like philadelphia, you get what i mean? so there's a sense in which there is this argument about who constitutes the citizenry. that's the first thing. the second thing, just going back to the earlier question, remember, their objective, steve bannon told us, they want to

deconstruct the administrative state. this is what these folk want to do. we know what happened to the state department during the trump administration. we know what happened to doj. we know what happened to government during that -- the four years. so we know that's the objective. so that's clear. but i want us to also understand this, nicole, really quickly. that we tend to think of the insurrection as a banded moment, january 6th, when, in fact, it's ongoing. it has been ongoing since that moment. i mean, we saw it, of course, when they attacked the capitol. we saw it beforehand, as we saw voter suppression laws. we saw it in terms of running election deniers. but we see it at state legislatures who are trying to rig the game. we see it in the supreme court, moore versus harper. it's ongoing. i think we immediate to pan out a bit and understand the actual context in which we're in, it seems to me. >> and you know, luke, i just spoke to congressman adam schiff, it is clear that he and

officers like harry dunn and members who lost their jobs in the last election, in part for their work on investigating the insurrection, they are all out of patience for doj. in the time that doj has been looking at the people who put the plan in place, i mean, i went through this with schiff, a bipartisan commission was pitched, votes were rallied, republicans who pitched it killed it, the select committee was formed, hired, staffed, investigated the events, produced public hearings, produced a report and has been disbanded. four of them aren't even in the body anymore and doj has done nothing. what do you make of this, you know, now very public clash between the congressional branch -- the judicial branch in the form of a federal judge, who says that felonies were committed, and really nothing, silence from doj? >> it's been two years, and we've seen this huge investigation from congress. who ever heard of a time when congress got well ahead of the justice department investigating anything.

you know, these are supposed to be lawmakers, not these, you know, serious investigators. but they did, you know, they interviewed all of these witnesses, produced all of these findings, all of these documents, and they've turned everything over to the justice department now. and the justice department, you know, it took a long time, but they have finally appointed a special counsel. you know, you could have argued that they should have done this, you know, within a month of the january 6th event of 2021 and not just this year. and i do know, it does seem like he's taking it seriously. you know, subpoenas have gone out to the false electors in all of these states and the election officials in these states getting documents and asking people for more evidence. and now he has all of the january 6th materials from the committee, as well. and so, maybe things are getting up, but i do think it is a fair critique from the members of congress who are now in the minority for them to keep banging the drum and saying, what are you doing, justice department? we did all of this stuff, what's

taking so long? you know, i think it's a very fair question. and you know, merrick garland talks in public occasional, but, you know, i don't think necessarily enough to answer all of this criticism. and it's only going to increase if there is just a vacuum of silence. >> yeah, i mean, a vacuum is all that there is. i have had this sick feeling since the earliest days of the biden administration that doj leaders would look at restoring the rule of law as, you know, we will pursue an investigation into the president's son, if that's where the facts lead us, as the definition and the full sum of how to restore integrity at doj. i have always had a hunch that it would view outside of that restoration any serious investigations or prosecutions of donald trump. that it would view that too much in the direction of what trump wanted, because it was what trump wanted. but trump wanted it for no reason. trump wanted to prosecute hillary clinton and jim comey and andy mccabe because they

investigated him, they threatened him because he had committed crime. the only person who's clear on trump's criminal exposure in ther republican party is trump. and all the people who sought pardons knew they had criminal exposure. and we know that dead to rights. they've all testified to that from inside the halls of trump's west wing. where do you think doj is? >> well, i don't know, and i really share the frustration that's been expressed, both by members of congress. and we heard that from officer harry dunn, as well. because here we are, two years from january 6th and a lot of low-level people have been either charged or have pled guilty. but somebody directed that. and other people were responsible for that and the doj has an implication not to slow walk this, but to move it and i mean, you can't describe two years of not charging up the food chain as being just

deliberative. the january 6th committee handed over on a silver platter exactly what the department of justice needs to move forward with an indictment. and i know that there is probably fear and reticence about charging a former president of the united states, but this former president committed crimes. and evidence is there. and if he can't be charged, then who can be charged for anything if the former president of the united states cannot be charged with the evidence that we see in front of us. and so, i shared that view and the frustration with you and the american people about not moving forward on this. and i don't think that we should have to commemorate another two years of a january 6th commemoration without having formal charges brought against the president of the united states -- the former president

of the united states, and potentially members of congress. it's not enough just to have these ethics investigations, we need criminal investigations for criminal behavior. >> wow. donna edwards, luke broadwater, eddie glaude, thank you so much for spending time with us on such an extraordinary and important day. we're really grateful. when we come back, how the january 6th committee exposed the growing convergence that's happening right now between the anti-democracy movement in this country and right-wing domestic violent extremists and paramilitary groups. that brand-new reporting is next for us. groups. that brand-new reporting is next for us

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as the country and some but not all of its leaders mark the two-year anniversary of the deadly insurrection at the united states capitol, we know from our guests and from everything that we're told and everything that's been reported that our democracy is still very much valg. we have learned anything from the past few years and from the january 6th select committee's final report and documentation it's that our democracy continues to be under very real threat. our friend, mary mccord writes this today. quote, extremists including militia members have run for local and state offices. they have signed up at poll workers and precinct chairs. they have orchestrated recall elections to replace moderate republicans with election deniers and anti-government extremists. they've ingratiated themselves with elected state and federal officials who seek short-term

political gape over long-term preservation of democratic processes. by making strides to mainstream the political violence and ill liberalism that they espouse, private paramilitaries have established themselves as a sinister force in american life that has endured long after trump's term ended. let's bring in mary mccord, former top official in the national division. frank figliuzzi is here, former assistant director for counterintelligence, now an msnbc analyst. the piece is amazing. but take me through the thrust of what you write and of your concerns. >> well, i first want to say, you know, i was pleased to be able to co-write this with jacob glick, who worked as an investigative counsel for the house select committee.

he was able to isolate and pull salient examples from the house committee's support and the underlying documents in support of that that showed the entanglement with paramilitary organizations, extremist paramilitary organizations like the oathkeepers, like the proud boys, like the three percenters, their entanglement with people quite close to president trump, including roger stone, including robert weaver, a failed trump appointee, including the overstock.com ceo, patrick burn, who was part of the efforts all the way up to the very end to try to overturn the election along and urging president trump to use every method possible to do that. so, you know, we wanted to highlight that for the american public, pull from the report things that people might not have the chance to read and discern themselves. it is a very long report with an enormous amount of supporting documents, but we also wanted to flag that it didn't end on

january 6th. and this is something that i know you and i have talked about before, that we've seen in the two years since then and we saw it leading up to the midterms that, you know, paramilitary organizations and other extremists have undertaken a decentralized, localized strategy that includes involving themselves in local politics, pushing their extremist world view, a very white nationalist, christian nationalist focused world view. and that's the other thing we wanted to illustrate, because that continues. >> we didn't get to know you as a show or our viewers until after trump was no longer in office. and these threats are so acute, and it's something you and i talk about all the time, as well. and layer on top of that, far fewer tools to deal with the threat of domestic violence extremism than we have for dealing with foreign terrorism. frank, i want to read some more of this piece that ties together the evidence produced by the committee with this three to you. and have you pick up the

conversation. the committee found that as paramilitary groups advanced into the political arena, egged on by the former president, they were often welcomed by pro-trump operatives, republican organizers, and others who said they were trying to stop the steal. the underlying transcripts from the committee's investigations also provided chilling prospeck sensitive on how these private paramilitary organizations felt empowered by their proximity to center stage. george mesa, another proud boy who testified that he provided security for prominent trump supporters, in, quote, a few congressman explained that he saw the proud boys as introducing morality into the enforcement of public safety, adding that, quote, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. what is always stunning to me is the cognizance of the threat they pose. >> so, first, kudos to merry for helping to hammer home even further the grave threat posed

by violent domestic extremists. for those who think, we've seen that time come and go and it's past, i'm here to tell you that i'm constantly watching for signs that we have developed a semi-permanent insurgency in this country. and i'm here to tell you, sadly, i think we have. the violent domestic extremist groups have become entrenched in our local school boards, in local election offices, and what mary highlights is, look, they're becoming entrenched in the political system. they were relied upon by those around trump and the committee did a great job of pointing that out. the committee goes a step further, though, and they suggest, although they fall short of laying out the changes need. they link this to real change that's needed with regard to the insurrection act, for example, right? we learned through the committee that the oathkeepers were looking for president trump to declare an insurrection and that would springboard them forward into the capitol, et cetera. where do they get that from. they get it from a

misunderstanding of the constitution with regard to the roles of militia. the ironic thing is our founding fathers thought militias were important to be guardians of our government and they've turned into the exact opposite of that. they pose a threat to our government. we've got to work on that. mary suggests that. but we've got to empower the fbi and other law enforcement to deal with violent extremist militias for what they are, a threat to our society. they're not going away. some of them putting on suits, running for office. some of them even really showing up, their advocates showing up in congress and we're seeing this anti-democratic approach marry up with violent extremism. it's really continuing to be a threat, not going away. >> well, i mean, mary, to frank's point. i remember luke broadwater doing the first piece of reporting that i read about contacts, either as security or members appearing at events with proud

boys or oathkeepers or three percenters and frank's right, the report is littered with associations and contacts, even if that circuit isn't completely closed in terms of approving a premeditated conspiracy to work with the extremists to carry out the violence on that day. but i wonder what we do about the first half of the problem, the brazenness and the permission structure for elected officials and high-level -- i mean, what's happening in congress this week can't be divorced from this conversation at all. >> mm-hmm. well, it's really shameful when you have elected officials, whether it's in congress or whether it's at the state level or the local level who embrace unlawful private militias. i mean, frank pointed out something that i've been trying to point out for years now and i'm so glad that it's getting traction and people are starting to listen. but, you know, we're talking about groups who are taking it upon themselves with no authority under the federal

constitution, under state institutions, or under any state law. in fact, it's unlawful under every state's laws, under no authority, they're nevertheless butting up to elected officials in high-level places, and now becoming some of those elected officials. we saw multiple examples before the midterms, and dating back even before that of people running for office, there side by side with militia members. sometimes it's security, but sometimes to say, they proudly support these various private militias. we've seen sheriffs under the constitutional sheriff's movement buddy up with private militias and assert that our constitutional allows for the -- for private individuals to take up arms, often times in an insurgency capacity. back before the founding, as frank was indicating, militias existed, but they existed for the governor to call them up in defense of the state, foreign or

domestic enemies, and that was always under the authority of the governor or the governor's general never so militias could be a violent force against the united states. or against any state or colony for that matter. so this insurrection view of the constitution has no support in the constitution and those elected officials who give that false narrative, give credence to it, they bring a lot of harm and danger to not only individuals out in there homes, in their communities, whose rights are being infringed but to our national security because militia-backed authoritarians are something we've seen in failed or failing or never democracies. it's not something we have

really seen here though militias have existed in opposition for years. we've never seen them sefd by elected officials the way we're seeing them accepted today. >> i know neither of you are particularly partisan ever, but it's not a both sides problem. it is only happening on the republican side. frank, as you watch the republican party struggle to even grab the steering wheel this week, the problem is going to get worse. the republicans plan to investigate the fbi not help them tackle the growing problem of domestic violent extremism. >> you know i look at things through my national security lens. i don't see a political problem, i see a national security problem. i see the legacy of donald trump here which is to erode our constitution. we're going to have a weaker congress. that makes us a weaker nation. >> we love you because it is

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