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tonight on "the reidout" -- >> we have got to get to proceedings. >> there has to be somewhere we can maintain the sense that people have that there is some security or some confidence that government can function and that we can elect a president of the united states. >> it's been exactly two years since the january 6th insurrection. and watching nancy pelosi's leadership in a crisis is a stark contrast to how we currently have no speaker of the house at all. and while kevin mccarthy may have gained votes today, he has now lost the speaker's race 13 times. not exactly inspiring confidence, and another glaring example of his failures as a leader. >> and on january 6th, we would be remiss if we didn't mention mr. fist pump, josh hawley,
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lucas kuntz, the democrat who announced he's running against hawley, joins me tonight. >> and we begin tonight with the two-year anniversary of the january 6th insurrection. when 64 days after election day a mob of donald trump loyalists stormed the capitol, striking at the heart of our democracy. they smashed windows, smeared feces on the walls and floors and roamed freely through the storied halls, calling for lawmakers' heads. they waved the flag of a treasonous confederacy inside our capitol, something that didn't even happen during the civil war. they even raised a makeshift gallows outside the capitol walls to display their vision for america. today, south carolina democrat james clyburn was the first lawmaker to acknowledge the two-year anniversary while rising to nominate his colleague, hakeem jeffries, for the speakership. >> exactly two years ago today,
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our resolve was tested with a violent mob of insurrectionists attacked our capitol. the greatness of this country and the resiliency of our democracy were put at peril. but we survived. >> yes, we survived, for now. two years later, prosecutions of those rioters continue. yet another type of insurrection continues at this very moment. again, inside the house chamber. where insurrectionist allies are now fighting amongst themselves, blogging their one-time protector, kevin mccarthy's bid for speaker, and preventing the start of the new congress. the house will adjourn until 10:00 p.m. tonight when a 14th round of voting is expected for the u.s. house speaker. without a speaker, the house ceases to function, forcing america to endure kevin humiliation week for yet another day.
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it is the longest the chamber has gone leaderless in a century. leaving americans nationwide with no district level federal representation. it's a remarkable and terrifying tableau of america. extremist politicians commemorating the second anniversary of the capitol attack by taking the house floor hostage to demand more power for themselves. among the anti-kevin holdouts, 12 of them explicitly denied the results of the election. and more than a dozen were endorsed by trump. they include scott perry, who tried to help trump overturn the election by pushing to replace the attorney general with a functionary. andy biggs and paul gosar, both under scrutiny for allegedly helping to organize the coup, along with apologist dan bishop, and elected trolls matt gaetz and lauren boebert. what we have witnessed for an entire week is the so-called
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leader of this party negotiating with who league scholar laurence tribe describes as domestic terrorists, a prelude for the next two years when whoever becomes speaker becomes a hostage to this far right faction. until then, no one can govern. they can't represent the people who elected them. nancy pelosi acted as the de facto president, taking charge and trying to secure the capitol while sheltering in a secure location. what would happen if the house faced an attack tomorrow or weeks from now, presumably with mccarthy as speaker? a man who can't even get his caucus to rally around him enough to win a majority of house votes. it's what former d.c. metropolitan police officer michael fanone disclosed in his recorded meeting with mccarthy, when fanone asked him to denounce members of the party who downplayed the insurrection. this is what leader kevin
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mccarthy said. >> he wouldn't agree to do so. and even more so, he said that he couldn't control these fringe members of his party, which i thought was pretty shocking coming from somebody who, you know, calls himself leader mccarthy. >> either kevin's very bad at math or he has no control over his conference, which is a problem if he wants to be speaker, and in fact, both things can indeed be true. joining me is msnbc capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, and we are hearing every day, when we bring you on, we hear potential deal, potential deal. today, kevin mccarthy did manage to move 14 votes in his direction. what do you know about the deal that was made to get them there and what deals are being negotiated with the final what is it, six or seven people? >> yeah, and really, it's less than that that they're trying to get to flip because what negotiators on team mccarthy are trying to accomplish here is
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just to get them to a number where whatever the magic number is, mccarthy can win that, which is to say they don't need all of these people who are still the holdouts to say yes to mccarthy. they're fine with some of them staying no as long as some of them get to present and yes. they have a few different permutations of the way in which they want to do this, but this was always their plan of attack here, when they knew they were in for this long slog of multiple rounds of balloting, they were trying to peel off the first chunk of people who we saw vote for mccarthy this afternoon, and then they were going to move to what they were calling phase or step two, which is going individual by individual and trying to figure out how they can get these folks to the place they need them to be. right now, my understanding is that they're targeting freshman member eli crane of arizona, as well as matt rosendale of montana, for rosendale, he has interesting home state calculations here. specifically the idea that he would probably like to run for u.s. senate in the coming
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months. and this kind of a vote against mccarthy could help him on the ground there. our sources say trump has tried to get involved and tried to get him to a place where he can support mccarthy, so those are the machinations of the pro-mccarthy negotiators right now. in terms of the concessions, this is going to make it harder to be speaker because all of the point of these concessions for these hard line republicans was to take power away from the speaker and instead put it back in the hands of the rank and file, which means it's going to get pretty messy over the course of the next two years, and if anything, this week is indicative of what we're in for for the next several months and frankly next two years. >> yeah. it doesn't sound like mccarthy is in a position of strength even if he can get those people over. the great ali vitali, doing a fantastic job. thank you very much. let's bring in madeleine dean. thank you so much for being here. it feels like this is not a
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revolt on some sort of principle. it's a revolt for power for the people revolting. one member thresholds for a vote of no confident, meaning they can eliminate the speaker at any moment. more freedom caucus members on the rules committee, meaning the insurrectionists, the people who supported the mob that tried to kill members of congress and the vice president would control the rules. controls on government spending. their idea is they want to decide whether we default on our debt. and procedure stuff, and you know, stuff to prevent themselves from having money spent against them in elections. it feels really small, congresswoman. but when you think about it, the people who marauded the capitol and threatened to kill members of congress, such as yourself, they did it all for something small, for donald trump to be able to not say he lost an election. your thoughts. >> well, joy, i have to admit, it's poignant to be with you this evening. the second anniversary of
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january 6th. and so while we can look at these negotiations and we will go back tonight at 10:00 in the evening, late in the evening, and vote a 14th time, and i have been told by steve scalise and others they've got the votes. it's some compilation, you just revealed the tissue thin speaker who will be elected by their conference. tissue thin in terms of his authority, his ability to lead. but i want to go back to the fact that consider where we are. it is the two-year anniversary of january 6th, literally two years ago right now, we were determined to go back to the floor, determined to complete our constitutional duty in the face of insurrectionists who attacked our capitol, supported, supported by members of this republican conference. so it is poignant, strange, and sad. extraordinary losses that we
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remember today. the extraordinary trauma, the loss of life. this was not just an insurrection. it was deadly. you described it sadly very, very well. and so i'm just mindful of the fact that i'll go back there tonight. we'll see them swear in, i guess elect a paper leader. we will be sworn in likely around midnight. can you imagine that? on january 6th. >> you know, we have an image of you that is really jarring on that day with the gas mask and all of you were in the gallery, trying to hold the gallery as long as you could. you eventually had to be evacuated out of there. today, all of the democrats and just one republican gathered to honor the capitol police officers who saved your lives. and only one republican showed up for that. and kevin mccarthy, who wants to be speaker of the house, didn't show up for that. one must presume the only reason he didn't show up is he knew the
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people who he needs votes from detest the idea that the january 6th mob was stopped, and so it was politics again. how does it read for you that the man who wants to be speaker, and all but one republican refused to come out and join in that 142nd moment of silence for those who died? >> it's stunning and shameful. i of course, was standing right there. and i have to admit to you, do you know what they were doing at the very same time? they were having a telephone conference call around mccarthy's attempt at leadership. i likened it to a football coach. could you imagine a football coach afraid to go into the locker room to talk to his team, to rally the support for what they needed to do together to unify them? mr. mccarthy could not meet them in person, and much more shamefully, didn't take the time to come out front to those
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capitol steps because we attempted to make it a bipartisan remembrance. the most meaningful moment to me, i have to say, i was mindful of my own sadness and remembering the trauma of that day. i can still hear the gas masks. i can still hear the pounding on the glass doors, and all of that faded away when you saw members of the family walk up to the microphone and say the names of the fallen officers. did you see the moment when the two children walked up, not tall enough to reach the microphone to call out the name of officer billy? my god, how could any one of us not have been there? as i said, paper, paper leader. >> it's hard for me to imagine. it is hard for me to imagine. given the fact that all of this has just been for bear politics, that they were willing to allow fellow members maybe be hurt or killed to keep donald trump in office, and kevin mccarthy even said he knew trump was to blame,
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and then he changed his mind for politics. how can anyone on the democratic side respect him if he becomes the speaker or trust him? >> well, i'll speak only for myself, that i don't respect him. i want so much for the republican conference to be successful, to be unified, and to be about the people. and the people's work. but at turn after turn, we haven't seen that. i have said at turn after turn these last years, mr. mccarthy made choices. we all make choices, frankly, but mr. mccarthy made choices. after january 6th, we saw him with great resolve say that the president bared responsibility. and within days turned on that 180 degrees and became complicit, said there was not responsibility. and then with the very rogue members who came to his conference, instead of reigning them in, instead of showing maturity and saying your anti-semitic remarks are
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unacceptable here, most recently, with mr. santos, about to be sworn in, silence from mr. mccarthy. turn after turn after turn. so i will speak for myself in saying, and my own personal interactions, frankly, on legislation i have had on the floor, and the bullying strange interaction of this failed leader, i don't have respect for the credibility of his ability to lead. his ethos is lacking. can i just offer a very important stark contrast? i know the american people saw over the course of this week the extraordinary resolve in the democratic caucus. we're only four votes down. we have brought in new members, 34, 35 new members who are of extraordinary diversity and talent, and we in a unified way in vote after vote after vote after vote after vote after vote
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voted for hakeem jeffries with a confidence in him and in our leadership, and in our vision for the people and for policies that will make a difference. so as dark as today feels, i am so optimistic for our future because the american people elected this conference, our conference, and they see the total dysfunction on the other side of the aisle. >> congresswoman madeleine dean, you have always been so kind to be with us to talk about this very difficult issue on a very difficult day for yourself and your fellow members and staff on january 6th. and law enforcement as well. thank you very much. joining me now is congresswoman cori bush of missouri. you were a newly minted congresswoman. you had just been sworn in days before january 6th. and so i guess i'll ask you the same question. this is a somber day. i spent much of the day watching the various ceremonies taking
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place, and you know, the president honoring not just the law enforcement folks but also the election workers and those who stood up for democracy. and it was striking that the only republicans i saw were those republicans who were honored by president biden for saying no to their party and certifying the election. when you all stood together to honor the police officers who died and to give their children the chance to say their family's names and their wives, no republicans but one were there. i wonder how that made you feel. >> you know, let me just say, and thank you for having me on, joy, again, two years later. i was on with you that night, as we were on lockdown in the office. when we didn't even have a panic button yet, we didn't have an enunciator to hear what was going on. but you know, i was thinking about it last night. like should i show up to this reflection? i had to ask a couple of my cbc
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colleagues, what should i do? and the reason why i was asking the question was because it was bipartisan, and i was trying to figure out how do i stand and reflect on this moment with those that even if they were not -- they didn't partake, even if they were not a part of the insurrection, many of them didn't speak out. for those who did not speak out, for those that turned their heads or stayed quiet because they were trying to win an election, i was trying to figure out how i could stand with them, but i thought about the families. i thought about those that lost their lives, so that's why i showed up. and i thought about one of my favorite officers on the hill, officer harry dunn, who i talk to every time i see him. i thought about him and his story. and so i was there. but the fact that they couldn't show up, what type of leadership is that? they have said, joy, for two years that i have heard because
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i was there only for two years, we're going to lead. you know, when we take over, we're going to govern, we're going to show the democrats. democrats are also in disarray. we're going to show them how to govern. well, they have not done that. they have been there since tuesday and had two years to figure it out, and they had since november really since november to really, really figure it out and hone in on how to lead. this was not leadership because people lost their lives. people who showed up to work, you know, people who should be with us today. people who took their lives, you know, after this happened. people who lost so much after this. children who had to give a name on a microphone as i just heard madeleine speak about, and they could not show up. it's not leadership. >> and you know, a fellow freshman who came in at the same time you did, he hasn't been in congress any longer than you have, then was nominated to be speaker.
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and his name is byron donalds of florida. he's been there a hot minute. he's never been in leadership. i think he ran for a leadership position before and lost and was defeated by elise stefanik. there's an unseriousness to the idea of saying he should be the speaker just because, and it looked like, i will say what it appeared to be, was trying to match hakeem jeffries who is african american, and longtime in leadership, to match him with another black person even though republicans have four african american members and democrats have about 50. >> exactly. >> you spoke out about that. you tweeted about it. a guy named dan bishop got incensed about it, called you out on the floor. he didn't name you by name. he got angry because you called yron donalds a prop and he said he's not a prop. he called it the tired, old, grotesque rhetoric we have seen for far too long. >> and he cannot ever, ever,
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from his birth to the day he leaves this earth, ever school me on racism and what it looks like in this country. not ever, ever, ever. i don't care what he goes through in his life, he will never be able to school me or teach me utwhat racism is, and the fact that he had to come and speak to that, not even understanding what the reason why i spoke to that, because he doesn't understand, he doesn't understand white supremacy, he doesn't understand living in this patriarchal system where systemic racism is part of the thread. he doesn't get that, so it's okay. he and i can sit down and have a conversation so i can school him about it, but the thing is, and again, i was -- because hakeem jeffries is a black man, and 212, 212, 212, we kept supporting him, democrat strong, they wanted someone who they
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felt, oh, well, democrats will have to support them because this is -- it's just we need the look, we need to be able to say we have the same thing over here, so why not go ahead and join on our side? but we're supporting hakeem jeffries, not because he's a black man and it's time for a black person. it's because hakeem jeffries has been in leadership, he's led for several years. he led our caucus and there's so much more substance there. byron donalds came in with me. my thing is don't let them use you, sir. don't let them use you. come over to the freedom side. >> well, and i stand corrected. he is actually in his second term, so he's been there a hot minute and a half. byron donalds has been, he's a second-term congressman. but still, really not qualified to be speaker of the house. let's be real. congresswoman cori bush, thank you very much. up next on "the reidout," even if kevin does pull this off and actually wins the speaker's
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there is a reason why the united states has a stated policy of not negotiating with terrorists. doing so only incentivizes their actions and encouraging them to make more demands. unfortunately, it's something kevin mccarthy does not seem to understand. as we have seen, he's given a pass time and time again to the extreme fringes of his caucus to the point where they not only don't seem to respect him, but they have declared independence from him for all intents and purposes. marjorie taylor greene who has recently been clinging to mccarthy's side, told "the new york times" back in october, i think to be the best speaker of the house and to please the base, he's going to give me a lot of power, and a lot of leeway, and if he doesn't, they're going to be very unhappy
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about it. so perhaps it should not be all that surprising that we're heading into round 14, still without a speaker, and even if mccarthy is able to squeak out the last few votes, the process has shown how craven he is to that wing of the party. instead of showing the leadership and control of the caucus that we saw in speaker pelosi when she saw opposition for her bid for speaker, he's given away concession after concession that only weakened that speaker's gavel, and all of that is just the beginning of this congress. but that kind of leadership, what will the next two years look like in a republican controlled house? because while mccarthy may become speaker, it looks like the inmates will be running the asylum. and joining me now is tara setmayer, senior adviser to the lincoln project who worked as a republican communications director on capitol hill, and tim miller, writer at large at the bulwark, and cohost of the next level podcast.
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thank you both for being here. tara, i will start with you since you did work on the hill. when you look at these change that mckarkty has apparently agreed to, essentially allowing this group of let's just be clear, people who supported the insurrection and in some cases asked for pardons due to their activities at the time or in other areas, letting them have a one-person threshold to vote no confidence in the speaker and remove him. being able to control the spending bills that come out of the conference. controlling procedure, getting to be clear of never having opponents funded. and being on the rules committee, meaning they control the rules. when you see that, what do you think? >> i think that john boehner was correct when he called these people the chaos caucus years ago when he first encountered the tea party wave which ultimately germinated into what
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we see now. this is chaos. there are certain parts of the institution of how the house works, and the rules that most people unless you work up there, you don't really want to bore yourself with, but the parliamentary rules and all of this, it's important because this is how the sausage is made. and the idea that someone as weak as kevin mccarthy would allow for a one-person vote of no confidence ability with this motion to vacate is signing his own death warrant. i mean, i just don't understand, he just reeks of desperation, and it seems as though he thinks he's going to control them once he has the gavel. no, he's not. he's not controlling anything. they are controlling everything. the coup caucus, the people who don't believe in the institution of our election system and of our democracy are the same people now who all of a sudden have found religion and decided, oh, no, now they want to go by rules in the house so they have more power. this is not how things are going to get done, and let's be
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honest, marjorie taylor greene and other people who are illegitimate unserious people trying to say the buzz words to make them seem like they're serious legislators, they have told us what they want to do. they want to push impeachment, they want to allow us to default on our debt. they want investigations endlessly into hunter biden's laptop and who's somebody's dogcatcher and the deep state, all of this nonsense that has nothing to do with the american people and what this country needs as far as serious governing. that's what they're going to do. it is not going to be a serious group. remember, the adults in the room actually are in the senate and in the white house. you need everyone to agree on things. how are you going to get there to pass legislation that keeps this country running? strap in, everyone. it's going to be an eventful couple years. >> i don't think they're going to pass -- i don't think that's the goal. tim, it strikes me that, right, in the end, the purpose of the coup two years ago was for
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donald trump not to be able to have to admit he lost an election and to keep him in power illegitimately. in the tea party era, it was a lot of race anxiety and other things, but on paper, it was about wanting to slash government and wanting to control government and default on debt and cut the government so you can drown in a bathtub. this inside coup which is basically insurrectionist versus insurrectionist, is about committee seats. it's about something as small and mundane as committee seats. and one of the people who will have the power to use that vote of no confidence by himself is this guy. can we put up george santos? george santos, who we don't know anything about his background because he lied about it all, and who appeared today to throw the white power sign when he voted on the second round of the kevin mccarthy vote. this was not in today's vote, either today or it might have been yesterday. he did that. and one of the people that was
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on the ballot at that time, of course, was byron donalds who is black. now, we haven't been able to get comment because there's no office because they're not congress people yet. that's where we are, tim. i wonder what you make of that. >> yeah. i don't -- he might have been holding his fingers together. there's plenty of bad things about george santos without me reading into his body language. the fact he's lied about his whole resume. >> kind of hard not to. >> yeah. so look, here's what i think. i think that this inside coup, as you called it, is not about committee assignments. it's about performative pettiness. that's what it's about. it's about power, it's about saying i can out newsmax you. it's about saying, you better watch out, kevin. i'm going to have you on the shortest leash possible. i think what matt gaetz said was kevin mccarthy is either going to have to resign or be a shackled speaker who is completely controlled, who can't move his arms, can't move his
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legs, can't move anything because the nuts, he called them the whacko birds, the whacko birds are going to be in charge. kevin might get the portrait in the hallway, but the wacko birds are the real speaker. this time it's matt gaetz and lauren boebert. maybe next time it's marjorie taylor greene, maybe it's paul gosar. it's only going to take four to shut down the entire house, and the names are going to be different, whoever wants to get on tucker that night decides they're going to be the one this time. >> and tara, you're already giving an amen here, but the thing is, it seems that kevin mccarthy is okay with that because all he wants is the portrait in the gallery. it seems he doesn't seem to care that he will be a speaker in name only. >> yes. i mean, it's the biblical principle of what is it to gain the world and lose your soul,
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though? you know, what cost? this guy is an apparition. who respects him? congresswoman dean before on your segment who was very emotional and powerful, she's right. how can you respect a guy like this? the speaker of the house is supposed to be an honorable position. there's nothing honorable about any of these people. they couldn't even take the time to honor the men and women who sacrificed to save them on january 6th two years ago on this very solemn, horrific day. they couldn't even take 30 minutes out of their time this morning to go and honor those who did that and those who fell as a result of it. that shows you where they are, shows you who kevin mccarthy is, who the caucus is, the entire republican caucus. it also shows you that trump is still influential here because he was on the phone persuading these people to support kevin and do what he wants. don't count that part out either because he's going to be driving that bus behind the scenes when
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kevin mccarthy needs these people to pass bills. he has no control, and it's pathetic. >> and i will note that whatever leader he is, he will still be second in line to the presidency right after the vice president of the united states. very frightening thought. tara and tim are sticking around because they're going to play who won the week. >> first, macking two years since trump supporters stormed the capitol seeking to overturn a lawful election. we'll be right back. technically when enamel is gone,
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on this day two years ago, our democracy held because we the people as the constitution refers to us, we the people did not flinch. we the people endured. we the people prevailed. on this day of remembrance, we honor a remarkable group of americans who embody the best before, during, and after january 6th, 2021. >> that was president biden today marking the two-year anniversary of the january 6th insurrection. awarding the presidential citizens medal, the nation's highest civilian honor to 14 election workers, government officials, and law enforcement officers for their work in upholding democracy before and during the insurrection. you may recognize some of the heroes, some of the honorees of
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the heroes from the january 6th committee hearings including officers michael fanone, harry dunn, and caroline edwards. and rudy freeman and her daughter shea moss, the pair of fulton county election workers who faced death threats after becoming the targets of a trump-backed election conspiracy. and three police officers were honored posthumously, including brian sicknick, jeffrey smith, and howard leevangood. congressman hakeem jeffries in his first official public act as democratic leader also paid tribute to those officers as well as those who were grievously injured while defending the capitol that day. >> the violent insurrectionists stormed the capitol and attempted to halt the peaceful transfer of power. a cornerstore of our republic. they failed. they failed because of the bravery and valor of the united states capitol police and the
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metropolitan police department officers who fought heroically to defend our democracy. we will never forget their sacrifice and we will never forget this day. >> we talk a lot about the insurrection now, but it's important as time passes and as republicans inevitably try to rewrite history that we don't forget just what went down that day. the noose that hung from a gallows placed in front of the capitol building. we saw rioters carrying confederate flags through the halls of congress. the awful images of officers being beaten, sprayed with chemicals, and crushed by the mob. and the stark video showing officer eugene goodman running up the stairs, putting his own life on the line purposely steering the lynch mob away from the senate chambers. inside the house chamber, you had lawmakers forced to put on gas masks and take cover as rioters attempted to breach the chamber. other members were barricading
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the door while officers were pointing their guns outside the gallery. including, you can see him in the middle right there, congressman andrew clyde, who months later compared the sixth to a normal tourist visit. now, two years later, the department of justice has made more than 900 arrests which have resulted in 465 guilty pleas, dozens of significant prison sentences and more seditious conspiracy convictions than the u.s. has seen in decades. just yesterday, officer sicknick's partner, sandra garza, filed a civil lawsuit against former president donald trump and the two men who pleaded guilty to assaulting sicknick, blaming them for his death. but there's still some unanswered questions about that day. one of the most serious is who planted the pipe bombs outside dnc and rnc headquarters? we still don't know. just this week, the fbi upped the reward to half a million dollars. but thanks to the tireless work of the january 6th committee, we
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the past week has been a shameful embarrassment for the republican party. today is the second anniversary of the violent assault on our capitol. 139 house republicans including the one seeking speakership, played a sizable role in the chaos of that day, voting to overturn the election results. while we spend the past week discussing how much of his soul kevin mccarthy is willing to sell for power, we can't forget about the senate where eight republicans joined the anti-house republicans to reject the will of the people. the poster boy for that outrage is missouri senator josh hawley. on the second anniversary of his cowardice, where he literally fled from the mob before he voted to give them what he wanted, former marine lucas kuntz announced he planned to challenge hawley in 2024.>> i'vg in my life. running to stay healthy, running to fight for my country. running to defend democracy.
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oh, and by the way, that guy working out, that's not me. that's our current u.s. senator, josh hawley. this guy. or maybe you'd better recognize him running for his life a few hours later. this is me. lucas kunce, running for senate. i was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth, but i did have the support of my community who made me why am today. when things get tough, missourians deserve a u.s. senator that will stand up for, them not runaway. >> and joining me now is lucas kunce, democratic candidate for democrat of missouri. your ad prompted us to really want to have you on today. it was really quite good. so, you are an interesting guy. you went to yale anna pell grant. your family had financial struggles, like a lot of americans can relate to. you went to columbia law school. got your masters in law. you join the marines, you
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served in iraq and afghanistan. good resume. you did run for senate before. you were defeated in the primary by -- truly bush valentine who went on to lose by more than 13% points against eric schmidt. missouri is a tough state. how do you improve on that this time, and what is your case against josh hawley and him fleeing from the mob he later supported? >> i'll tell, you what josh hawley made a case against himself. missouri, this is the show me. state missourians do not tolerate cowards and frauds. and that guy, the reason we launched today on january 6th. is because that, day he proved what a coward in a fraud he was. you are just talking about, it right? he raised his fist one second thinking it was going to get him some power. and then when things got real, he scatters off to the exit as quickly as he get out there. that's the type of fraud and phony that we don't want in missouri. missouri has been trying to take back power for a long time against guys like josh hawley, who don't understand with the
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meaning of true services. >> you, know missouri is now seen as a red state. it used to have a bit of a purple tint. but clear miscast goal lost her seat to josh hawley. and donald trump won it twice. he won it 50 6:41 in 2020. how do you win in a state that's perceived as not ruby red, but red? >> missourians really wants someone who understands what life is like for the average missourian. most of us live paycheck to paycheck or one disaster for bankruptcy. that's how i grew up. you could find out more about it at lucas kunce, for anyone watching. i don't wanna go into it too deep. we were on desperate times, we went bankrupt in medical bills. we were saved by the community around us. people like josh hawley, they don't understand that. all they understand is controlling other people so that they can get power. and if missourians have been doing anything lately, we've been trying to claw back power.
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people might be surprised to hear, this but on valid initiatives, we have arbitrary things that people like josh hawley has done over and over again. we expanded met met -- we increased the minimum wage, we made marijuana legal. and several other things. actually, missouri is a very popular state where people want power. they just need to see somebody who will offer that to them, offer a lifetime of service. obviously, i have in the marine corps, iraq, afghanistan, the pentagon. we're going to make a strong case there. the same way that jason kander made a case in one of those years trump won by 17 points. he ran for u.s. senate in missouri. when trump won by 17 -- he only lost by three percentage points. people are willing to switch their ballots. if they have a frightening carrot on that one side, and they have a decent human being on the other. everything is lining up real nice here on what i'm calling the frontline for democracy. >> it definitely going to be an interesting race. we'll be paying attention. please come back. missouri senate candidate, lucas kunce.
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a house. but no, worry the time for our favorite game. who won the? week downie -- tim miller -- and you have better in this game, who won the week? >> d only award matt gates will everyone on the show! it's matt gates this week. kevin mccarthy thought it was a clown, thought he was too petty. thought he was gonna get it over and one vote. no, matt gaetz knew the party in conference better than mccarthy did. that's why's we still have a speaker. we can also be a clown petty? i won't answer that question -- it's almost sunday. okay. fine. tara -- who won? week >> this time i have to be a little serious. because it is january six. i think all the recipients of the presidential citizens medal
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today are the winners of the week. these people demonstrated incredible courage and bravery across the board. as a wife of a federal law enforcement officer, a granddaughter of a police officer, i particularly salute the officers who put their lives on the line to protect the ungrateful people in the house right now who can't form a speaker. the true winners in democracy. thanks to them. >> i will not be shy about admitting i would shedding a couple of tears watching that. it was really beautiful. my pick is the great cheryl johnson. she's the clerk of the house. here she is announcing -- that we have time? here she is. >> no member arlette, having received the majority of the votes cast -- the speaker has not been elected. >> she's worked in the house almost 20 years. howard university's grad, worked at the smithsonian, study journalism and communications in the university of iowa -- awesome woman. she won the week, charles
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