>> hello everyone, i'm ayman marketing here in new york. you're watching msnbc's continued coverage of the u.s. speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy has finally been sworn

in after waiting on the historic 15th ballot. >> it is not my solemn responsibility to hand over the peoples gavel. to a son of bakersfield, a former small business owner, a proud product of a firefighters household. the gentleman from the great state of california and the next speaker of the 118 congress, kevin mccarthy. [applause]

>> that was easy, huh? i never thought we'd get up here. my father always told me, it's not how you start it's how you finish and now we need to finish strong for the american people. to leader jeffries, there will be times we agree, and many tanks we will defer. i promise our debates will be passionate, but they will never be personal. but that's my commitment to you. >> after taking his own oath of

office, the speakers swore in in the members of the 118th congress and despite making a broad range of concessions, speaker mccarthy only won his office with 216 votes. too short of a majority of the house with six members voting present. it was of course if you watched it, a tense and often eclectic night on the hill. wqatch the top left portion here of your screen for a moment, this is during the 14th vote matt gates of florida. the fact that you can actually see rogers had to physically be held back from gates whose vote tanked mccarthy in that 14th ballot making a long night even longer. once mccarthy finally won, president biden released a statement congratulating him and it reads in part i'm prepared to work with republicans when i can and voters made clear that they expect republicans prepared to work with me as well. now the leadership of the house of representatives has been

decided it is time to be for the process to begin in earnest. i am joined by the democrat of illinois. congressman rajna, it is good to have you with us, thank you so much. i would feel embarrassed to have you stay longer but, there's so much to talk about tonight. i just want to get your sense of how this all played out. what are your emotions, your thoughts as this night concludes? >> 15th time was a charm in this particular case. i think that, look, it was exciting to get sworn in, this is my fourth contract extension. it's always fun a special moment to have newly elected members from congress that both sides tugging office for the first time. a lot of them brought their families early in the week to

see them get sworn in and they couldn't get state through friday and late night. you have to feel for those members as well. but thankfully we had a peaceful transition of power this time around and we have a new speaker and it's time to get to work and we, democrats, and the democratic caucus, will stand for the values that you know well. and leader jeffries articulated in the speech. >> speaking of the word that is about to get underway, we got a glimpse if you will have perhaps both the managerial style or this would leadership style of kevin mccarthy, and the substance of how he wants this conference to do in that speech that he gave. we will talk about leader jeffries in a moment, but what do you make of kept speaker

mccarthy of what he wanted to go for in terms of investigations for his speech? >> making it a priority to go after the fbi doesn't really well it's not a promising indication of where their priorities are, aymen. i think the other thing i would say is when he talks about for instance what jim jordan and others being able to use the subpoena power to go after various individuals, what i'm really concerned about is they will start really the 2020 election and prove donald trump's theories about what happened because at the end of the day you have to recognize that donald trump is an animating and force for my colleagues at the other side of

and certainly their basis. >> a lot of people after this for years looked at that instigation and said it had been weakened as a result of the trump presidency, are you concerned that the house of representatives as an institution is going to be weakened by the extremists who are now part of the republican leadership given what's kevin mccarthy may or may not have done to get this gavel? >> absolutely i think he started out with around 21 holdouts and he negotiated one thing after another to get their buy in i'm really concerned about whether the rules package will make it almost ungovernable. for instance, he may have made it very easy to have himself removed from the speakership by a very small group of people who represent, as you know, a tiny minority of our constituencies. so that's the kind of thing that kid throws into chaos. i'm concerned if he may have

put language in the rules package regarding the debt limit. we have not seen this rules package in detail yet. so we are looking for to saying that as well. what can democrats do? you're in the minority obviously, you brought up important points both about concessions he may have made in terms of language that's in the rules package in terms of the power that the small minority that he may have offered up a lot of concessions to in terms of what they wield over him, what can democrats do in this dynamic? >> i think first of all with regards to the rules package, i think we will have to look for republicans to vote down the rules package. i think we have to. i saw that tony gonzalez, a republican governor from texas said it's going to be a no on the rose package despite being a strong support of mccarthy. i think they're a bunch of people on the other side that have misgivings about some of the concessions that he made to these holdouts. so given that i think hopefully

we can either amend the rules package over just gonna have to voted down when we come back next week. >> we have a glimpse of leader jeffries over skills. quite remarkable, i'm sure anyone who is watching, i as somebody who's watching him was completely floored by that speech. tell me your thoughts about what he's said, the vision that he outlined and his personal vision for leadership? >> i think that he powerfully articulated the notion that we have to lift up the american dream for every single person in this country. i'm an immigrant myself, i've 29 letters in my name, my parents would not be here but for the promise of america and the government of america allowing us to what have food stamps, come out of public housing, get a great education, and for so many of our fellow

citizens that's not possible right now. so hakeem jeffries represents the american dream as you know, his life story embodies it. i know that he, with every fiber of his being, will fight for the same opportunities that this kid from brooklyn had for everyone else. i am excited to work with him on that mission. congressman, can i get a final thought, if i can, from you but what this week has taught us about the state of our democracy? we've been talking a little bit about the politics and the power grabs, and the power maneuvering that happens on the hill. people have described it as a real life episode of house of cards are games of thrones, whatever analogy want to use. what is this week tell you about the state of our democracy and where we are in that on this what started out on january 6th, the two year anniversary, the attack on the capital, we witnessed this dysfunction if you will from the republican conference?

>> i was actually thinking of groundhog day as another piece of entertainment that people mention. what it reminds me of is the fragility of our democracy. today we started out with the ceremony on the steps of the capital with regard to january six 2021 and to hear the families of the fallen speak reminded us of the loss that so many people experience but also how close we were to seeing our election overturned and our democracy, and an insurrection destroy our democracy. so what we have to do is do everything we can to reaffirm it, defended, and speak up for all those rights and liberties that we cherish. that's what i intend to do and i think my colleagues and leader jeffries are going to help me deliver on that. if the past week is an

indicator for what may lay ahead, it may be a bumpy two years. we hope it's smooth and out a little bit. senator russia cushman murthy, thank you so much sir. we appreciate you coming on. >> thank you, ayman. i mentioned this a moment ago, one of the surprises of this long night was the fiery speech of democratic leader hakeem jeffries. before he officially pass the gavel on to kevin mccarthy. take a look at this. >> we are wide, we are black, we are latino, we are, asian we are native american. we are christians, we are jewish, we are muslim, we are in, do we are religious, we are secular, we are gay, we are straight, we are young, we are older, we are women, we are man, we are citizens, we are dreamers out of many, we are one, that's what makes america a great country.

no matter what [applause] kind of haters are trying to divide us but not gonna let anyone take that away from us, not, now not ever. house democrats will always be put american values over autocracy. but never over bigotry. the constitution over the cult. democracy over demagogues. economic opportunity over extremism. freedom over fascism. governing over gaslighting, hopefulness over hatred, inclusion over isolation, justice over judicial overreach. knowledge over kangaroo courts. the birdie over limitation. maturity over mar-a-lago. normalcy over negativity. opportunity over obstruction. people over politics. quality of life issues over qanon. the reason over racism. substance over slander.

triumph over tyranny. understanding over ugliness. voting rights over voter suppression. working families over the well connected. xenia over xenophobic. yes we can, over you cannot do it -- over zero-sum confrontation. let's listen to newly sworn in speaker of the house kevin mccarthy. >> people voted against me, it was the smallest margin that any modern speaker has had. so it may have taken a little longer and i was like to put my father who died 23 years ago. is that how you start is how

you finish. so don't judge us on how we start, watch how we finish. and i think by having the disruption now really build the trust with one another and learned how to work together. what we are going to have to find in our mindset that we have to front load. we have to think about and work with a microcosm of the conference before we start writing it. that's really what we learned here. working the rules, there are a lot of great ideas. at the end of the day, i remember on the january 1st we did this conference call with the entire conference. when we walk through all the rules people were excited. people were mad before, why are we working, why was it held up, but at the end of the day the product was better. so maybe 100 years from now some master student will have to write about this. but really what most people will write about or feel is the outcome of how well we will run the floor for the next two years. last question. >> change a folk at how

confident are you that you will have the shot for the next two years? >> 1000 percent! thank you all. >> you're listening to speaker mccarthy addressed reporters after being sworn in. we're gonna squeeze in a quick break and continue and our conversation, stay with us. farm-fresh taste. plus, superior nutrition. which is now more important than ever. ♪♪ need a backup plan? get plan b one-step. plan b helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporarily delaying ovulation—and you can resume your regular birth control right away. i've got this. ♪♪ >> welcome back everyone, msnbc

special coverage of this chaotic and historic u.s. house speaker election, where we just saw kevin mccarthy finally elected speaker on the 15th

ballot, after a long and chaotic day, let's go straight to capitol hill, and we are joined now by msnbc news correspondent ryan nobles. ryan i know you've been speaking to some of the members in the chamber, as they made their way out. what is been the reaction to the folks that you have been talking to about how all of this went down? >> the one person i just talked to was the new house weaker, kevin mccarthy, who just held a press briefing with reporters as he left the chamber won this election on the 15th ballot and it's interesting to hear him talk about their reaction to this process that is going through. process that you he did not intend to have happen but is now something that has occurred and he's trying to find the best out of. it and i specifically asked him if this is something that happens over and over again, are we gonna be in similar showdowns over votes anytime those -- and his argument is that we've worked it all out now, this process taught them how to deal with these tight margins that

they have not just between them and the democrats, but those within the republican party, the moderate folks, the folks that are more closely aligned with donald trump in the maga movement, and he said this give them an opportunity to learn how to communicate as they move forward. so you'll be right to be skeptical about that because this was a very fraught process by any measure, but he got over the finish line and have to tell you, ayman, they're a lot of us had watched this play out over the last four days and saw the same vote results every single time. at one point, it seemed like it was tracking away from him, to make it here to the finish line even now if it was in saturday morning at 2:00, he was named the next speaker of the house is pretty remarkable given how

far he was far -- away he looked from the finish line earlier this week. >> i was struck by a new book about this -- i was for by his confidence in the press conference. for two reasons, one, he's talked about we've learned how to govern, anyone who's been watching washington for the past weekend people watching republicans can safely say it's going to be a difficult governing period for them when they're gonna have to cover so many ideologies in their caucus. but i also thought it was interesting, i believe someone asked them at the very end there, does he expect to stay in this position for the remainder of the two years and he shot back confidently, 1000 percent. and again given what played out in the next few days, i think people would take that with skepticism. >> there's no doubt about, that especially if you take into account the concessions that he was made to make to win the job, the most obvious being there installation to book a permission to -- vacate the rules.

remember at any time to call for a vote that could potentially remove him from office. it's not so much the danger in that he could potentially lose that speakers race every time, but the constant threat of that looming over his head and the fact that as you pointed to very rightly earlier that there are all these different factions, he's going to be trying to find these very slim needles that he's gonna have to threat that allow all this different tapestry of republican conference to come together on a wide range of issues. the most specifically that is going to be a looming questions that they're gonna have to deal with here in the next couple of months, perhaps as soon as the spring is the reasoning of the debt ceiling. this is something that the same exact fraction that hope to stand in the way of his speakership is strongly opposed to. and it's something that as a house speaker is gonna be difficult for him to try to manage and it risks the credit rating and really the foundations of the american

financial system on its back if they cannot get that done. so what happens? does he cut a deal with democrats and three months to raise the debt ceiling which would be the responsible thing to do, but then does it immediately call into question whether or not he can maintain the slim majority that he has with the conservatives on the freedom caucus and others? that's one example of the challenges that kevin mccarthy 's gonna have to deal with here in the short term, even, when he predicts being in this job be it for the next two years. a lot of us are wondering let's see what happens in the first six months before we think of the long term future of kevin mccarthy. >> let me ask about this moment that happened in the fluoride, they're quite remarkable. it was right after the 14th vote. kevin mccarthy went over to talk to matt gates, the exchange of few words, as kevin mccarthy walks away, representative rogers i believe from alabama tries to confront gates and had to be constrained and you see i, believe representative hudson from

north carolina put his hand across his face and pull him back. do you have any it's kind of self evident what happened there in the expression, but do you have any reaction or call for inside, from any other members, how is this likely to play out when the house you convenes? so we do have a sense of a back story of why this all came together, and you have to understand the players involved here. obviously matt gates is a firebrand, he has been a thorn in the side of kevin mccarthy throughout this entire process, one of the most vocal opponents of mccarthy throughout this process, he also has a contentious relationship with mike rogers, it is a mccarthy ally and is on the services committee, and the armed services committee maybe the most important thing to matt gates because he represents a portion of the florida panhandle that has a huge military influence, the arm service committee is very important to.

during a closed-door meeting, it is going to be removed from their committee, i actually talked to rodgers after that, it was not a threat but a promise so along the way during these negotiations we do know that matt gates was specifically pushing that in exchange for his vote that he wanted as chairmanship on the services committee on something that mike rogers is not interested in, he is not what matt gates to have that position. so this altercation was not lead to that specifically, but it gives you an idea of how there is a lot of tension between these two men and how frustrated particular was that gaetz was still after all of this holding out when he was the last vote that could've made kevin mccarthy the speaker.

so mccarthy told us afterwards that he did not say anything confrontational or in a way that would prevent gaetz when he walked up to him was trying to figure out what it will take to get over the finish line. but i think that you saw the frustration with rodgers boil over there. and in the perception that we have from people that were in the chamber and the members that were close by with don bacon, one of the members who is sitting a couple of rows before he was talking to a view of us afterwards, it might have looked a lot worse than it was. i don't think that rodgers was physically confronting him as much as he was yelling at him. and then the other member came in to try to prevent something from getting out of hand in a looked a little worse than it did because he got his hand over his mouth. so still, it's not something that you expect to see on the floor on the house of representatives. it's something you expect to see in the third world country. it through a lot of us of, and -- >> it's one of the dramatic moments that we saw. ryan nobles on for us on capitol hill. thank you very much, we

appreciate it. let's turn to our panel who have been watching with us all night, kurt bardella former spokesman for the republican house oversight committee. he is now a democratic strategist. david jolly, former republican congressman of florida who left the party back in 2018. tim miller, writer at large at the bulwark and author of why we did it, a travelog from the republican road to hell. and also with us, john allen msnbc senior and now the -- but thank you for being. here diverge ali, i've been watching your analysis throughout this week. i've been extremely impressed by the analyses on what this says about the republican party. so given how this has played out, how it has transpired, what is your take away about speaker kevin mccarthy? >> listen, to the entire world, i underestimated one thing, the willingness of kevin mccarthy and to give everything he could possibly give away and the willingness of the never kevins

to actually be never kevins. congratulations to the new speaker of the house, i didn't think he could get to 218 votes, he did it. get the 2:16 but he got enough to be speaker and we all watched out how this played out which was kevin mccarthy completely out ruled by 21 members of the house and i would suggest the other people that got ruled by this 21 where the 200 colleagues who have had to give up stuff because kevin did their dealing for them. if matt gates gets gavel, he takes it from somebody. if for members of the caucus going the rules committee, that's four and less slots for the other 200 that sat silently with kevin. what you saw him do though was beat kevin mccarthy which is all things to all people. can he maintain that is the big question tonight. i can tell you what i'm watching for, ayman, in this. there is no way that the debt ceiling will be raised without cooperating with the democrats.

democrats in the house simply because the republican majority is too thin, but also democrats in the senate and the biden administration. this is not a unilateral government under house republicans. so kevin mccarthy's gonna have to keep the and raise the debt by working with democrats and that will be what would otherwise sing cam. but i think the way he survives the doubled down but the crazy caucus, the insurrectionists, and the people who want to impeach joe biden. he enters those moments of vulnerability is actually raise his profile and turn the screws on joe biden and unleashing the house if it's not just investigations but actual impeachment, that is his path to perhaps surviving the next two years. otherwise there's no way he can do it because they will insist he can't work with democrats but there's no way to govern without working with democrats. that's just the reality of what he signed up for and what he won tonight by the formation of

his colleagues. that's exactly what we saw, occurred in the speech if you will. look we caught a glimpse of what kevin mccarthy's priorities are, he talked about fbi investigations, he talked about the irs, he talked about the originates of covid, he talked about the hunter biden investigation, all these things that are red meat to the base of the extreme right wing of the republican party. after it was humiliated and embarrassed over the last four days, he thought he would've perhaps moderated a little bit but he didn't. i wasn't expecting him to moderate at all. i think this might have been the first speakers acceptance speech that uses the word subpoena in it. and look i think that as they are going to pivot and go hard. that's the one thing that

unites the republican caucus here is this zeal, this last, at this thirst to start using the tools and instruments oversight which they've not made it a secret since the moment they won the majority they have gone out there very publicly particularly the chance of judiciary and they've made it very clear that this is agenda item one, two, and three. they will be relentless and how undoing the biden administration. they made the calculation that the best thing they can do for their own pr optics after this bruising battle and this narrative about the sentient is to go back there. issuing subpoenas as soon as humanly possible. i guarantee you as someone who worked for the oversight committee, those subpoenas already written, those dump humans are already written. everything is already prepared. they are ready to unleash the hounds on the biden administration and they need to do that as soon as possible because they want the media to

chase those stories to make that the central narrative of what we're all talking about. they want to put that last for five days in the rearview mirror and the best thing they can do that is to go on offense by going after the biden presidency. tim miller, depending on who you ask, you probably saw the worst of american politics. republicans were defending it by saying this is democracy in action but a lot of people were saying this is power, this is a man who is trying to fill a seat and do whatever he needs to do to hold on to political power. and we heard kevin mccarthy say time and time again, the slow quote from his father but it's not where you start it's about how you finish. it is off to a bad start for the republicans after this week. what is your sense of those who have been saying this is how we govern and we've heard of governing the republicans at least have been saying we are learning how to govern, we are learning to front load our problem so we can get back down to the site business of governing?

>> look, we're ayman, i don't think there's anything wrong with messi to governments, messy democracy, having to compromise, having to deal. in a vacuum, i can see that argument that this is best for america, this is what it's like to have a democratic system in the peoples house. the problem is that this is not what was really happening this week. it's not as if there were horse trading over policy issues, if they're any great contentious debates that people were compromising over. what this was was a small group of extreme republicans who want to stick it to kevin mccarthy -- who want to stick it to republican leadership in order to have them raise money online and get the monster defendants podcast and get attention for themselves. we saw leader and kevin mccarthy that was really willing to give away to all these extremists even more power going forward so that they can tear down the house,

so they can stop the house from acting on a debt ceiling, so that can stop the house from acting when they need to fund the government going forward. i think it's that context that makes this particularly troubling, not the fact that there were so many votes. and i want to say something really quick, this happens not in, more but on the two year anniversary of january six and here's the deal, a lot of people making these deals were part of that. they were responsible for that. and -- kevin mccarthy helped organize the rally on january six. he didn't show it in the mccarthy press conference but early in that press conference he thanked president trump were calling the holdouts and helping them push over the line. so i think when you put that in the broader context, this wasn't really the beauty of

democracy at work. this was a lot of democratic arsonist that we're trying to get more power for themselves. speaking of january the 6th, i'm gonna ask all of you to stay in place for us. kevin mccarthy's quest to become speaker as tim just said, conclude --

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6th, our democracy was attacked, no other way of saying. the u.s. government capitalist breach which had never happened before in the history of america even during the civil war. a violent area vandalized secret halls, haunted down elected officials. to overthrow the will of the people. and usurped the peaceful transfer of power. >> so that was president biden speaking friday afternoon at a service marking two years since that attack on the capitol back on january the 6th, while donald trump's insurrection failed two years ago. it did not end there, in the years since we have seen the attack on our democracy continue up until this day and now this week the chaos that we saw in the house of representatives, where many of republicans who fought kevin mccarthy, or actually involved

in donald trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 election. trump and his allies did not take over our democracy, but their grip on the republican party only got stronger this week. it was the sentiment that eric swalwell echoed earlier, speaking to my colleague, alex wagner. >> two years ago today, the insurrectionists failed to take over the capitol, but tonight it looks like they're going to take over the republican party and put in place kevin mccarthy as, essentially, a vassal state of maga nation. maggot nation prefers violence over voting, that is a scary proposition. by the grace of god and the bravery of capital and metropolitan police, it was defended on january six. we honor them today, but the next two years will be very shaky. >> if you do not believe that maga forces won the battle for hearts and minds, just take a trip down memory lane.

here's kevin mccarthy one week after january 6th, 2021. the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw was unfolding, these facts require immediate action by president trump. except his share of responsibility, quell the brewing unrest, and ensure that biden is able to successfully begin his term. >> all right, back with me as my panel, kirk bardella, tim miller, john allen. john, i'll start with you. a week after that speech where he was critical of donald trump, kevin mccarthy flew down to mar-a-lago and basically begin the political rehabilitation of donald trump because he knew at the time that he was going to make a calculation that if you were to get to the position where he is today, speaker of the house, he would need to do it with maga. >> >> so first of all, that clip is so great and fitting

because sitting right behind kevin mccarthy's laura boebert is one of the holdouts until the very end. you're right, kevin mccarthy absolutely made the calculation that he was going to need donald trump on this side, and donald trump endorsed him and for a while that did not work this week. but people who are loyal to donald trump, some of those final holdouts, did come across the line. i think when you look back at two years ago there is an effort to take the government by force, to take the capital by force, and what we saw this week was very different in terms of the exercise of democracy in a republic. at the same time, as you point out, those same members are looking for new ways to dismantle the basic functions of our government and when you can see in the concessions that kevin mccarthy has made these members, it is that it is going to be very difficult for them to get anything down that gets the country running. what i mean by that specifically is raising the debt ceiling this year, basically ensuring the credit

of the united states, which is often a political fight. you now see a much more ardent stat with much more power than they've had before. i've talked to one member of congress this week who was originally a holdout, one of the criteria that he put up was that he wanted to know if governor kathy was willing to shut down the government in september, so nine months from now, whether or not he is going to have the fortitude to do that. already, these members are trying to figure out ways that they can disrupt the basic function of american government >> correct, is it hyperbolic to say that what began on january the 6th is continuing today by different means? that it is what is perhaps on january 6th, perhaps a violent insurrection between our democracy, and the violent attack on the capitol. turned into a political insurrection by those who are elected by those same people. by that base. to now try and take over both the republican party in the institution of congress for those maga lights if you will?

>> well, it is not hyperbolic, because that is exactly what has happened here. i mean, it wasn't lost on me that speaker mccarthy made this impassioned speech and the oath of office, and the constitution, that he has been the ringleader of a caucus that has undermined all the foundation of our governments in the past two years. and in january 6th 100 republicans walk back into that chamber and voted against a free and fair election. one of the biggest frustrations i've had this week long's hearing moderates thrown around, as if there's moderate wing of the republican party. 147 of them voted against a free and fair election. what does moderate mean anymore? i have seen no evidence of a -- to this party. i've seen it go even further to the right. and that we've seen, over the past four days, the speaker of the house. the leader of the party negotiating with the terrorist.

given to the terrorists. imagine if, after 9/11, our government was negotiating with people who are the architects of that terrorist attack. that is what kevin mccarthy has done, and not only has he had negotiated with them. he's given into them. given that more power, more authority, more ability to play a larger role for the government. all the headlines about the headache that the small group of people have caused the republican conference. at the end of the day, they all gave into them. where are the hell all these moderates that will stop this from happening? stop empowering these people because extremists, what kevin mccarthy has done is actually made it easier now for more extremists to enter the republican party. to enter congress. to have more influence. how the hell do they think that this is going to end? it is not going to be good. >> i bet that they will only get stronger in the weeks and months ahead. guys, please stay with me. we will squeeze in a quick break. continue the conversation on the other side. don't go away!

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panel. david, i'll start with you. when does the mccarthy speaker honeymoon and? >> it's gonna be tested very soon over this rules package. because a man, half of what mccarthy has punished is actually in that rules package. so if they can't pass it it will be in this odd scenario where he use the rules package to get the votes for speaker, but he can't implement what he promised. so that will be a stress test into next week.

but they will survive it. the real test will be around keeping the government open through the annual budget process will be at the end of this year. and then accommodating the debt ceiling. which will absolutely require working with democrats. eric kanter tried to work with obama as the ambassador of the republican house at the time. in these issues. realize how quickly his stop was going to fall. and retreat. it left the white house. and went back to the house. and never move to the white house again. they want to go with obama because it was too dangerous. and that's when i think, how does mccarthy push through that type of trouble? is to actually double down on the hard impeachments, the investigations, and perhaps going after joe biden himself. it was really his only pathway to keep proving himself to the people that just hijacked the caucus make. >> tim miller, your words, when does this honeymoon for kevin mccarthy and? >> i love that he's going on a

honeymoon, ayman, i think that it's gonna be a pretty unpleasant one if so. white lotus style honeymoon. i'm interested to see if he makes it through the year. and they brought it up as the key point here, john boehner had a little bit of a leash, a couple of times, to work with democrats and to get a couple of things done, because it is the only way that he could get it through. before he got pushed down. i don't think that kevin will have any leash, i think that the first time that he needs democratic votes to pass something will be the last week of his speakership, and so i think it will be interesting to see if he can survive the year. >> all right, tim miller, --, david jolly, john allen, thanks to all of you. i greatly appreciate you staying up for, us and my thanks to all of our guests at this hour, from msnbc headquarters right here in new york, i'm ayman mohyeldin our coverage continues after, a break! goodnight!

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