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but at what price? speaker mccarthy in the republican caucus begins a glimpse at the chaos that we can perfect over the next two years. we are talking the democratic congresswoman joyce -- and sarah jacobs. also democratic congresswoman about the drama that unfolded on the hill and what means of our democracy. plus, president biden he has always been committed to bipartisanship but he is going to have to work around the house of representatives that is essentially held hostage by extremists. some, we've been supported in the tunnel ship. we will get into all of that with the political panel. and this historic showdown, it culminated on the second anniversary of january six. we are talking to the former chief of the united states capitol police about his frustrations with lawmakers and new details he wants you to know about the attack on the capitol. i am simone sanders townsend, and i have something to say.

a house divided itself cannot stand. the american people saw that mantra and action this week after the very fractious republican caucus took a historic four days and 15 votes to finally complete one of the most basic responsibilities. i am talking about electing a speaker of the house of representatives. and the wee hours of the morning, republican congresswoman kevin mccarthy achieved a nail majority allowing him to gavel but only after beginning of concessions to begin six of his most vocal critics to vote president which reduce the threshold he needed to cleanse the speakership. and his first remarks, mccarthy made promises rub straight from the headlines of right-wing media. >> we will pass bills, to fix the nations and earth challenges. from wide open southern borders to american last energy policies to woke and domination in our schools. >> meanwhile, democratic leader

hakeem jeffries who enjoyed unified democratic support all week i might add, he took a much different tone and his first and very fiery speech as the first black party leader in congress, house minority leader jeffrey stark's republican colleagues to task and he did it in alphabetical order, take a listen. >> house democrats will always put american values over autocracy. benevolence over bigotry. the constitution over the cause. democracy over demagogues. economic opportunity over extremism. freedom over fascism. governing over gaslighting. hopefulness over hatred. >> he actually made it through the entire alphabet, it was quite amazing. the speaker has finally chosen the members of the hundred and 18 congress were at last sworn in but the gridlock got a left half the country's legislative branch in limbo. that gridlock could just be

getting started. that republican majority is miniscule, with only four votes to spare. speaker mccarthy as the gavel but he gave the far-right the huskies to get in. he offered up concessions like allowing any single member to force a for a vote on whether mccarthy should keep his job. it is called emotional vacation. he also granted key committee assignments to the far-right freedom caucus. we are making it harder for america to pay its bills and a select committee investigating covid-19. the rules package and the bill that we will vote on monday is not for the world to see. and most of the concessions that i just named are reflected in those rules. there are some additional concessions as speaker mccarthy gave that are in public. that is the concern. democrats, they were never going to vote for the rules but there are moderate republicans who are also not fans of the 55-page document. there is a bubble first out there that says, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? speaker mccarthy was the goblet worth all of the things that you gave away?

well republicans regret their negotiations with the extremists in their caucus? those answers are going to become more clear in the coming days and weeks ahead. what are the consequences for the country so far? we just a handful of extreme members bring up 435 seat body to its knees. until their demands were met. behold is leverage for at least two years folks. how can i be expected to govern the country when they can't even govern themselves. take a look at this exchange between matt gates and a top mccarthy critic and republican congressman mike rogers, and mccarthy ally. at one point, rodgers has to be physically restrain when confronting gates. two years to the day after many of those members have their lives threatened by insurrectionists. republican parties and brace of extremism and conspiracy theories has come home to roost. hard right, anti government members like lauren boebert and matt gates, they don't have enough legislative power to create constant chaos, and then the country to their will.

i am concerned so i said we needed to talk to somebody who witnessed it all in those a little something and that is congresswoman and former chair of the congressional black caucus, joyce beatty of ohio. madam sherry march, thank you very much for being here today. i just want to know if anything could've prepared you for what you experience throughout this week and especially last night? >> while some of, think you for having, me absolutely not. there was no preparation for how confusing it was, how chaotic it was, and then confrontational. sitting there on the house floor, listening 15 rounds, 212 people saying hakeem jeffries was probably the best of it. but to have to witness them repeatedly, try to get the 218, and mind to that they never really got there by voice vote. >> that present vote -- >> to present for the american people to know to lower that threshold.

so really, he did not get elected with the 218. and, now he is given away his soul, his integrity to have one republican be able to make a motion to vacate the chair. so, they don't like the rules packet. they don't like the farm bill. they don't like something that is good for the american people? one person can bring that to a vote. >> they can object, i want to put that on the screen for votes. the six republicans that came down to because i think people need to see we are talking about here. the six folks, they held on to the end. sources are telling abc news that this freedom caucus holdouts were demanding three seats on the rules committee, the rules committee controls, the bills that make it to the house floor. we don't know, yet if those concessions, if those demands were met if you will. , why do you make of the reports about the concessions that mccarthy gave? what was the conversation inside the democratic caucus? last night around 3 am when he finally got the opportunity to

step off of the, floor also this morning? >> we were not really surprised because he was desperate. there was no integrity in all along, he has supported those who have denied president biden being the president. some of those same individuals who were out in the forefront and that very chamber two years ago, where we were on january the 6th. >> are you concerned about their ability to govern? >> i am very concerned because clearly, four days, 15 rounds, still not getting to 218 and selling your soul. he will not be a speaker that will be able to control the congress. i think it is going to have a lot of implications on 2024. >> do you trust the negotiations that democrats will have to go into where the speaker mccarthy? do you trust that he is of good faith negotiator? >> i don't think he's have good faith but i have all of the confidence in the world and hakeem jeffries.

he has met a match that he is not ready for. we saw that last night. not only the alliteration, not only his or tokul skills by his courage. his ability to not just hand the gavel, but to take that moment to bring comfort to the american people that there is a leader in the united states congress that will not be afraid, that will deliver fight and stand up for the people. we have the senate and we also have the white house. so that gives me hope. >> all right, hope is very important. congresswoman joyce beatty, thank you very much for being here and i know everybody has been thinking you're talking about your service in the congressional black caucus. i know for a fact that you made a difference in those rooms when i was at the white house on the campaign trail so i appreciate your service as well. got to see you. >> thank you, we will keep fighting. >> keep fighting, all right congressman joyce beatty, i will bring in my political panel now to break this all down even further. luke broadwater is here, he is

a congressional reporter for the new york times and it's probably just as tired or more so than that congresswoman here. we also have former democratic congresswoman, donna edwards, she is msnbc political analyst and former congressman joel walls. he is a former republican or joe walsh, are you still calling a republican? let's discuss, also a former presidential candidate. i will start with you congressman waltz, first of all are you still a republican? and then secondly, i want to know what they debacle of the last couple of days told you about you know these new house dynamics and how speaker mccarthy will handle his slim majority? >> hey simone, it's okay to be with you. i will quibble with one thing that you said in your open. you talked about the extremists and the republican caucus. here is the, deal the republican caucus is extremists. it is not some extremist weighing, it is not these 20. it is not boebert and gates. this is a mega caucus and let's not forget the simone. we talk about the election

deniers that so many of these 20 were election deniers. the new speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy is an election denier who will block certification of the 2020 election. this whole caucus is extremists, that portends even worse chaos moving forward. >> all, right let's go to look to talk about some of this chaos. we know that the house is adjourned until monday, around 5 pm. and the next big showdown, to come as members vote on this rules package that we just talked about, that establishes how the house operates. what are you hearing about these provisions, particularly from republicans, many of whom have been out in the press saying that, they might now go for all of this. >> a lot of moderate republicans are not fans of this rules package. someone tell me they were very concerned about, it we have heard a few people who have said that there are no votes already, and i think that there is concern about them going too far and getting too much into

the hard right. and particular, there is a number of big investigations that they are set to authorize including investigating the investigators and going after doctor fauci and some others that may be quite controversial as well. >> absolutely, it's something to watch for sure. monday, at 5 pm will be a very interesting time. congresswoman edwards, a lot to talk about matt gates, lauren boebert, other freedom caucus members. their willingness to create chaos at the expense of governing. and then you have hakeem jeffries and the democrats. whoa hakeem jeffries held his caucus together, and when he gave a speech last night, i got chills because it was so inspiring and it literally felt like church. i am wondering, your thoughts on now leader jeffrey's? >> well i mean i think what the leader put forward was something that sounded actually like a policy agenda. something that we haven't heard from republicans at all. i think what has been most disturbing for me and this whole process is kevin mccarthy

coming off of the floor of the house last night, giving props and thanks to donald trump, which tells me who is really controlling the republican caucus. but by contrast, democrats are in focus, they are united and they are ready for this fight because they know that they have a contrast for the american people that the american people are going to respond to. that people are not going to respond to only investigating and you know the craziness that goes on on the floor. we thought there was a fistfight almost a fistfight last night. you just wait until there is one motion to vacate after another motion to vacate because somebody or somebody down in mar-a-lago gets frustrated with what is going on on capitol hill. atpeople need to buckle, of what we saw this week is going to be the norm and fortunately for the next two years. luckily for you all, they are not going anywhere because congresswoman edwards, congressman waltz and luc are

all sticking around because we have a lot to talk about. because coming, up speaker mccarthy says the republicans will use the full power of subpoena to get things done. this is someone who refused to comply with the january six committee subpoena the himself. so how exactly does all of that work? we will dig until that. but first, our best year richard the way for today's other top stories. richard? >> simone, happy new year to do for us and some news for you that we are following here at msnbc newsroom. first, of virginia along elementary school teacher was shot friday allegedly by a six-year-old student. the latest right now, -- the riverside regional medical center, police last night potter entries life-threatening and according to newport news police chief steve true, quote this was not an accidental shooting. and physicians at the university of cincinnati, medical center are out with an update on the nfl's damar hamlin. saying that hamlin is making continued progress and his recovery at remains in critical condition.

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president biden spoke to house speaker kevin mccarthy this afternoon to congratulate him. now last night in his first mark speaker of the house, speaker mccarthy vowed to use the full power of the subpoena. take a listen to what he had to say. >> speaking of committees, we will hold the swamp accountable. from the withdrawal of afghanistan, to the origins of

covid, to the weaponization of the fbi. we will use the power of the purse and the power of the subpoena to get the job done. >> why political panel is back to discuss, look groundwater former democratic congresswoman donna edwards and former congressman waltz. congressman waltz, how are republicans going to enforce the full power of the subpoena when kevin mccarthy himself which is referred to the ethics committee for ignoring the january six committee subpoena. and also, republican congressman jim jordan and jim jordan is now expected the chair, the house judiciary committee. do fox really expect people to fall in line and answer to the same subpoenas that they ignored? >> simone, it's so upside down. look i cannot escape this. two years, ago yesterday, there was a violent attempt to overthrow an american election. the leader of the republican party, donald trump did that and as new speaker sworn in yesterday stood by him. and as you said denied a

subpoena, along with a number of other of my former republican colleagues. it is not funny, it is really disgusting but again simone, this portends utter chaos and dysfunction these next couple of years. >> yes i mean, it is going to be one heck of a two years. you talk about donald trump which i think as everybody knows, he is my least favorite topic but he is a topic. and luka, think it's important people know that republican holdouts appear to ignore donald trump support from mccarthy a few days ago but then last night, mccarthy did give donald trump credit for helping him get the votes to win. what can you tell us about donald trump's effort here over the last couple of days? >> yes, that was an interesting that you saw between donald trump and kevin mccarthy. donald trump and actually call people for a number of weeks before this vote to try and get them on board with mccarthy. they basically adored him.

many people in the helmet were thinking that trump's influence was very diminished. i think in fact that it was, you try to intervene, who put out a statement no one would listen to. and he put all calls, you know matt rosendale would not even take his call on the floor of the house when marjorie taylor greene had on the phone. kevin mccarthy felt like it was important after they twisted all of those arms and got people to vote for him to give donald trump credit anyway. clearly kevin mccarthy feels that he still needs to have donald trump on his good side. so donald trump does retain influence for kevin mccarthy. >> yes i mean all of this unfolded right? you have this republican inciting, donald trump and sorting himself in the middle of this. the house of representatives on the floor. in contrast to another major event that happened this week. your president joe biden appearing with republican senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell in kentucky. mcconnell's home state to top the bipartisan infrastructure law. the brent sprints bridge, he also had representatives from

ohio there as well. congresswoman, talk to me a little bit about this. when i say that this is what we are in for for the next two years, i think we are also in for this. what people are seeing on their screen. president biden working with republicans and democrats to deliver the american people, getting and signing these bills and going out there and touting. what this means for the american people? shovel ready projects, bridges, what do you think? >> well this cannot be a surprise at all. i mean i worked with president biden and senator biden back in the 90s when he was working with oren hatch on the violence against women act. this is who the president's. as he has said, he is going to work with republicans where he can define consensus. that is the right approach for the president. you heard hakeem jeffries, leader jeffries last night. or this morning say the same thing. but he was prepared to work with republicans where it makes sense and where it is an

interest to the american people. i think to the extent that that can happen, then both the president and leader jeffries and democrats should do that. make no mistake, this chaos caucus is also the investigation caucus. and i think that you can fully expect that democrats are going to go toe to toe on these committees when it comes to challenging the nonsense that republicans are going to put forward. >> it's a very important point, the house, the house republicans will exercise, or oversight ability. they have talked about bringing every from doctor fauci, secretary mayorkas to congress. we speak of secretary mayorkas and president biden also going to the border tomorrow to visit the border. a lot of republican members of congress, congressman waltz talk about open borders and they need to address them. even on borders are frankly not actually open. not something that happens but not your family of president biden making this trip. he has actually going to a meeting in mexico, stopping at

the border first. what do you expect to come out of this trip? i am wondering, what do you think about the fact that we now see the president going to the border. something that he has rebuffed the calls from republicans to do because he did not want to fall to the trap of you know, a media step? >> it is, i watch him on that he had done it a while ago. this is a great opportunity for president biden because the republican party has moved so far. and again, i want to emphasize the entire party has moved so far to the right, president biden can be where most of the american people are. especially when it comes to the border. most americans want to really sensible, apprehensive solution on the border and legal immigration as well. biden and the democrats can do that. >> yes, i mean this is now, we also see this week frankly that bipartisan group of senators are also going to visit the border. emigration absolutely something to talk about. before i let you all go, i

forgot about george santos. because he is now republican congressman. look, what is going on with george santos? is he going to see and a consequences for the lying? what is happening to him and his term after the scandal which he came in? >> while he did, he is now a new member of congress. sworn in last night. it's a few days for most people to talk to him, he sort of sat by himself for most of the time and was founded by reporters. i do think one thing that is important in this rules package that they put on monday night's actually ethics official saying the week in the ethics investigations. so if we were expecting any consequences to come from congress in terms of ethics investigations, i think that that will not be very likely if these new have got a committee to investigate ethical violations this weekend. >> it is why the rules package mattered, it usually very in the weeds but given everything that's happened this last week, we have to talk about it. look groundwater, thank you

former congressman donna edwards, appreciate you. former congressman joe walsh, appreciate you as well. next up folks, we are going to talk about how hot dallas come democrats are planning to approach their position as a minority party and that 118 congress. i will ask a member of the house democratic leadership what they are expecting from republicans was speaker kevin mccarthy in charge. icharge

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time and energy this week. don't forget about the democrats, yes they are the minority for the first time in four years but they also just completed an overhaul of their parties leadership. now democrats are tasked with governing effectively without that coveted majority. so how are they going about it? joining me now to discuss is democratic congresswoman from california, sarah jacobs. welcome to you congresswoman, talk to me a little bit about how democratic leadership is thinking about this current dynamic. now you have republicans and the division in that caucus. is that going to present opportunities for you to govern more effectively? we know three to get some things done or elevations that you usually would not have a few or the minority? >> yes i think what we saw the last five days is really a harbinger of what we are going to see from this republican majority. if it took them this long to pass and to get a speaker, how are they going to pass the basic functionings of government. like the debt ceiling? like a government funding bill?

and so the way that we are thinking about it as democrats as that we are going to stand up to republicans where we need to. we will sign up for our values, we will stand up for our principles. i never thought that i would say this but thank goodness we have the united states senate that is so good at blocking everything the house wants to do. >> not the house praising the senate, are we in a time warp? >> i know right? it means the worst of what they will want to do will be stopped by the democratic senate and by the democratic white house. so we will let them take those folks, we will make them go on the record and we will let the american people see just how extreme they really are. >> so you let them take these votes, so for example the debt ceiling. there were a number of extremist members of the republican caucus because they are not even conservative. some of his folks are extremists were saying this about saying we will shut down the government over the debt ceiling. that is not what happens if the congress is not vote to raise the debt ceiling. america would be faulted on its credit and then we lose our good credit rating at all of the bonds and treasury. and a longer mean anything to

all of these companies and catastrophe. >> not as, rights of all we need to stand up to them for our principles tornado the senate and the white house are going to be stopping, it we will let them take those votes. but for that basic functionings of government, for the debt ceiling, for a government funding it for the things that will impact peoples lives if the house is not able to get something done, we will find ways to work with them. i know i actually think that part of the concession, kevin mccarthy made to his far-right extreme actually can help us in this way. >> which concession? >> for instance, that this charge position. they have changed rules on the dispatch position which means that anyone can get enough signatures to bring a bill and it has to be voted off the floor. which means we only need an additional six republicans to vote with us to get a discharge petition to come to the floor. for instance, some of the rules that are doing around amendments to bills that have to come to the floor. and again this means that we only need to get six republicans to vote with us on the floor to get an amendment

passed to a bill to change what it says. >> a lot of republicans who are elected and what would be called swing districts, purple districts who are in this new congress that could potentially be willing to work with you all. i heard rumblings of this throughout. for folks who don't know you are one of their coaches for this committee and leadership and the democratic congress. you are on the steering committee, you play a role and deciding what policy and what democrats are pushing. annie shuffling and response to what people are going on these various committees for the democratic point of view given that report of concessions that speaker mccarthy made? >> yes so our leader hakeem jeffries has appointed people to the steering and policy committee. i was elected by the five most junior classes to represent them and the leadership table and on the steering and policy committee. i think that we have always known that the republicans are going to use their power to not look at for the american people but to do investigations of the

biden administration, to try and pass extreme policy and to have been preparing for this. we have the right. >> you have the right people on this. all right, we will be watching. congresswoman sarah jacobs, thank you very much for coming in today, appreciate your time. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. after the break, i'm joined by the former u.s. capitol police chief, stevenson. on the hill of the second anniversary of the capitol insurrection. we look at this insight on what went wrong that difficult day. why his officers had to wait too long for help and whether it is being done to prevent that from ever happening again. stay with us. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. teeth sensitivity is so common. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down. and my patents say: “you know doc, it really works."

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one of the darkest days and u.s. history. on january six 2021, thousands of angry and violent supporters of former president donald trump stormed the u.s. capitol and an attempt to halt certification of the 2020 presidential election. that they attack prove that our democracy was in danger that day and sadly, that remains the case as we speak. you know i was near the capitol with vice president harris on january 6th, we went there democratic national committee and she and her staff, myself included had to be evacuated because of a bomb threat outside of the building. there was also a bomb placed at the rnc. we now know that those bombs were alive but we still do not know who planted them. as more and more people are held accountable for the worst attack on our democracy, since the civil war. president biden and other

democratic stop sometime yesterday on a second anniversary of january six to honor law enforcement and election workers for courageously defending our freedoms. >> but on this day two years ago, our democracy held because we, the people as the constitution refers this. we are that people did not flinch. we had that people endured, where the people prevailed and this day of remembrance, we honor a remarkable group of americans who embodied the best before, during and after january the 6th, 2021. >> house minority leader, hakeem jeffries and fellow members pay tribute to the brave officers who will on capitol hill on january 6th and quoting those who lost their lives. >> we stand here today with our democracy intact because of those officers. >> only one republican member

of congress attended that event. we now have new information about what happened in a day sitting up to the insurrection, leading up to january 6th as well as how the mob stormed the halls of the capitol and the chaos that the capitol police officers faced. this is all detailed in the new book called the courage under fire, under siege and outnumbered 58 to 1 on january 6th. it was written by stephenson, the former chief of the united states capitol police. stephenson, joins me now. thank you very much chief. since january six has happened, we now know more about what happened that day, due to the january six select committee. talk to us about why you wrote this book and what you wanted people to know from the law enforcement perspective on that day. i do think that there are now questions given the january six committee to have a rise about law enforcement's role? >> i wrote this book specifically because i think

that there are so many lessons to learn from january six. by concerned that if we don't look at them from a political standpoint, look at them from along forsman standpoint and will likely talk to repeat these issues that we had. there are issues with intelligence, issues with the oversight structure of the capitol police department. it shows what the departments defense response to support civil authorities. there are so many things we need to learn, i want to prevent this from happening again but i also voted in defense of my officers. i like the piece that just had where they are recognizing that police officers on the steps of the capitol. it was police that came, they responded, i called some have been to law enforcement agencies to help the united states capitol police. if it wasn't for the law enforcement, we not have gotten the capital back when we did. >> it is absolutely, as i detailed, i was near the capitol that day. when we evacuated, we want to secure locations and watch what unfolded on television. and it's absolutely due to the officers that were things that happened that day. you are asked to resign in the

days after this attack. and the book that you have written, you're right about why law enforcement was not prepared for the mob that storm the capitol? you talk about why it took so long to get the national guard deployed and to help, where was the disconnect and i'm wondering if you can weigh in on that criticisms that have been lobbed that the law enforcement community about the intelligence failures? >> well you had criticism lodge of the law enforcement authorities for a number of reasons. right afterwards and that is really why the book is titled courage in fire because right, after i mean within hours of january six to, know it was still going, on people were already lodging complaints, and allegations against police that they were complicit, letting them in. i will tell, you my men and women upheld their oath to the constitution, every police officer that came out you know upheld their oath and put their lives on the line and defended every inch of that capitol grounds with blood, sweat and tears. i'm happy to talk about any of those allegations of the selfie officer taking pictures, that is self preservation

de-escalation. that guy still is spending away. they did their job. >> i think that everyone, i think across the country should be grateful for the work of capitol police officers on january 6th. and the days after january 6th, i remember the then president elect joe biden then president elect, kamala harris, they spoke and they were in delaware. they spoke and talked about what unfolded. and their remarks, they both made mention to the fact that they propose january six to summer 2021 activists across the country came to washington, d.c.. they were protesting and there was a large law enforcement present. they noted that that was very different than what we saw on january six, knowing that their perspective and the folks out there that there was a concern about potential violence. what do you say to that just position? i think there are people out there who say chief look, we

saw what happened in summer 2020, why were folks not better prepared. how could this happen? >> so if you look at the long enforcement response are people say that we treated these people much differently, and things like that, we were but in the washington d.c. police department, essence you started getting hit on the west front. the washington d.c. police department almost expanded their entire lives to munitions at the january six event. you look at the officers out there fighting, they fought with everything that they had. very similar and probably on the same level, if not even a little less in the summer of 2020. they extended everything they, god and got on the certain level what they call less lethal capability. those were completely applied to this group, as they were you know probably train. we had the one case of lethal force used inside of the capitol because there are closely protected individuals. but they were responding as they are trained. in your previous question, i'm sorry they're not fully answer about the disconnect between intelligence and the response for the department and defense.

let me address that. i find it odd that january six was treated differently and previous events in washington, d.c.. i had on many major events that banks, protests, and operations. that had mild less stress streams that were outlined in the book that existed on january 6th. but fbi did not do a conference call with the chiefs. they didn't do a joint intelligence bulletin board with dhs. then on to an executive briefing like they have on the previous months. it was treated differently and we now see that they are significant intelligence out there indicating that there was a threat. if significant out against the capitol. we also see the department defense you know, thought there is gonna be such violence at the capitol and they have talked about locking down the capital city and revoking the proponents. they did not tell us, they did not tell i'm -- and estimate that permits permits. >> chief you are raising questions that so many people have. there are so many answers, that we don't yet have but i think it's very important that we get them. i'm so glad you wrote this book, i have not gotten all the way

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to find one today. i have said it before and i will say it again, these are indeed unprecedented times. it is exhausting. but the speaker showed on in the house this week, while historic is actually not unprecedented in our country. there have been four times in the history of our union that more than 15 rounds of voting are needed to elect a speaker.

there are lessons we can learn from the political divide that led to those votes and what happens next. so of, course there is no one better to explain it all than nbc news presidential historian, michael beschloss. michael, i've been waiting 24 hours to speak to you about this. all right so give us your impressions, i literally you are the one. talk to us about what unfolded in the house last, night how we got here and now it will be remembered in history? >> yeah so i think the main thing i would say simone sadly is that you know we often are very aware of what a president can do and sometimes, the damage that a president can do what you saw during the last four years of the previous president. but in history, also congressional leaders can do a lot of damage. i hope it is not the case with kevin mccarthy but when you have a weak speaker, sometimes you have more damage than other times. and you know you are talking quite rightly about other cases in history where you know the majority party and the house could not make a decision.

hundred years ago, gillett you know they went to nine ballots just as you are saying, it seems like 16 but 18, 58 and 59. there is a guy named william pennington who became speaker of the house. name is forgotten today, he was from new jersey. paddington was trying to do with the issue of slavery. what he should've done in retrospect was say that slavery is a mortal, country cannot, last half slavin halfbreed. just as abraham lincoln was already saying, but what did pennington do? he said i think that we can find some kind of compromise that will let slavery go on. >> didn't take two months to elect someone after 133 ballots? >> yes 44 ballots and it just shows you know the more ballots, sometimes the weaker and more idiotic the speaker really is. not always but that has happened in history and hope at the not up and last night but

people get hurt when you have congressional leaders making the wrong decisions. that happened in 1859. also happen after the civil war when the republican party made in a moral compromise with the democrats saying, it was almost a tie between rutherford hayes and his opponent for president and republican leaders said to the democrats, if you lattes be president, we will stop reconstruction. the result of that was that conditions were almost as bad for black americans in some cases worse than they were before the civil war. >> michael, this point after the civil war i think is the most significant because the radicals who lost essentially, the confederates had a voice. they helped pass the racist black codes among other things that you talked about. and in reconstruction. it really feels like to me that nobody told the south that they lost. and if you fast forward to now, and i heard you earlier this week an hour and you talked about the fact that, only

recently have confederate statues, monuments of the confederacy started coming down all over america. we see the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war two years ago and i feel like the radicals who supported it, that they ended up with the power last night. i really feel like history is repeating itself. >>, right radical republicans after the civil war as that we are on the good side they were trying to help black americans on the south and now we have radicals who are in many cases show evidence of being on the bad side. but you're absolutely right. we should concentrate on how much damage a congress can do and especially if you have a speaker as it sure looks this way, you know nancy pelosi was one of the strongest speakers in american history. it looks as if kevin mccarthy is going to be one of the weakest. he got this job by going to the moors radical, right-wing members of his caucus. many of them races, many of them white supremacists and saying oh, i will let you do

whatever you want if you make me speaker. >> history is unbroken continuity. a mentor one summer, that michael bashfulness, thank you as always my friend. thank you. >> be well, thank you symone. >> and thank you at home for watching simone on this saturday. we had business to attend, to it is crazy. thank you for being here, i'm simone sanders townsend and don't worry, you can get you back here at msnbc tonight at 7 pm, and every weekend at 4 pm eastern as well as over on the peacock, for have new episodes on the msnbc hub every monday and tuesday. if you want more of the show, find us on instagram, twitter and the tiktok's. politics nation with the great reverend al sharpton is gonna start after a short break. you do not want to miss him. to miss him. before we begin, i'd like to thank our sponsor, liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. and by switching, you could even save $652. thank you, liberty mutual. now, contestants ready? go!

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