>> coming up on the second hour of eamonn, what the never spectacle of the house spectacle tells us about the

next two years and congress, plus. extremism casting a long shadow over the republican party and will 2023 be the year democrats take on the judiciary? i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ good news, the house of representatives officially has a new speaker. in the early hours of the morning after four days and, yes, 15 rounds of voting, kevin mccarthy managed to drag himself across the finish line. earlier today, president biden released a statement congratulating the new speaker. pledging the work with mccarthy to deliver for the american people. white house republicans spent the week bickering -- excuse me, while house republicans spent the week bickering, biden was busy building bridges literally. on wednesday, the president traveled to kentucky to celebrate last year's bipartisan infrastructure.

lot more than one billion dollars in funding from that bill will go to words repairs to repair the great spence bridge. biden stood alongside senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, creating a stark split screen between what was happening there and the chaos back in washington. and the bridge serves as a symbol of what can happen to republicans and democrats put aside their differences to work together for the good of the american people. i know that sounds crazy at times. it is something we expect to see very little of, in fact, in the 118 congress. in exchange for the gavel, mccarthy made a series of concessions to his party's far-right rebels, including allowing any member to call for a motion to vacate the speaker's chair at anytime. no doubt forecasting more chaos in the years ahead. mccarthy also promised members of the free right freedom caucus key assignments. the far-right faction will be more emboldened by out for, as

one republican -- told the new york times, quote, the concession means he will be the minority of a minority of the minority that will get to dictate the outcomes of legislative achievement. so much for the people's house, right? let's discuss that and more with congressman lloyd docket, a democrat from texas. thank you for joining us. let me get your reaction to the last few days on capitol hill. what are your big takeaways when you see the chaos that we just witnessed. do you expect this kind of chaos to carry on over the next two years? >> thanks, we ayman, we are part of a two-year marathon for the majority party to select its speaker is supposed to be the easy part. it's like the runner putting on his shoes. you don't get any applause at that point normally in this case. the runner, mr. mccarthy has tripped over his shoes about 14 times before he became speaker. now we have this crowd of

republicans and it's pretty hard to find a moderate republican these days. i think you can count them on your fingers. but you've got this crowd of republicans that mccarthy is indebted to. and when we face a crisis, perhaps natural or a man-made crisis over the coming months, we are going to be in a position where he is not really capable of negotiating a solution. when we have to pass the legislation to keep the government in operation, when we come up to the question of the full faith and credit of the united states. if you need more resources, these are the kind of questions where it's not just the cast of the next week. but what it portends about chaos going forward with out of these major questions that affect our families in the world. >> these are in fact major questions and i want to ask you about the substance and the style of what you can expect from republicans because if last week was an indicator, it does not bode well for you and

your colleagues. at one point during the 14th vote, you had republican congressman mike rogers who had to physically be restrained from going after his own colleague, matt gates. so if the gop can't keep things civil between one another, how do you expect them to work across the aisle with you and your colleagues? >> i think it will be very difficult. and, as you know, mixed into all of this is the ever-present of donald trump. he had an influence in this race, ironically a speaker elected at the same time we are honoring the second anniversary of the attempt of donald trump to overthrow our government. but i think it will be a big challenge. there certainly are some small matters that i'm working with some republicans on trying to pass. but the major questions of the day, foreign policy, our national security, the appropriations necessary to provide essential services to

families across our country, these are going to be really tough because we have a group of republicans who don't believe in government. and i guess, to some extent, their right-wing government is never the answer because when they're in charge, it's certainly not the answer. >> what concerns me about the rules package? it's obviously going to be the center of what may have been compromised between kevin mccarthy and this far-right members of the republican caucus. what kind of impact will those new rules have on the ability to legislate? what are you concerned about? >> there are many aspects of it that are troubling, including aspects of the mccarthy had agreed to before he ever got himself into the situation one of those that always bothers me is the only way you can have an increase in the necessary expenditure for education or health, their plan is to cut something else. what they don't apply that to

taxes. texas have the same effect of these major cuts that they did under trump, they have the same effect as increases in spending. but they don't want to provide for paying for those cuts. then there is the role that will be permitted, that any member of the house can call for the speaker's basically removal, and that's something that they will hang over speaker mccarthy's head anytime there are serious negotiations about a problem where the senate has agreed on something and the president has agreed on something and all that remains is for the house to come together and he will not have the capacity to do that. >> what, but the republicans now in the driver seat in the congress for the next two years, what game plan do democrats, you and your colleagues have what -- will you do over the next two years? what will be more pressure on president biden to use executive action or what do you plan on doing? >> we do need to ensure

particularly in areas like the climate crisis where we made such progress last fall with the legislation we adopted on incentives to engage more families in fighting the climate crisis, we need to be sure on that and on pollution that the president is using all of his authority, something is true with reference to a worker safety and the standards for our workers, but on some other areas that are important to me, the right of choice, of women to control their own bodies we have to stand up for our principles and advocate them forcefully, even if we can't paint pass the legislation, we need to protect those rights. we need to provide a respectful alternative to the extremist policies that the republicans are advocating. the first bill up that appropriately i guess after the rules package that the schedule next week is basically a bill for tax cheats. they propose to eliminate 90%

of the funding that we increase last year to enforce the provisions of the internal revenue code. we know that there has been a declined by 75% of audits for those at the top, and that's what they propose to eliminate. >> i want to ask about your party's leadership, you have a new party leader, congressman -- not party, libra vote party leader within congress, congressman hakeem jeffries. i want to play a little bit of his first speech as minority leader. o play a>> we are white, we are, we are latino, we are a nation, we are native american. we are christian, we are jewish, we are muslim, we are hindu, we are religious, we are secular, we are gay, we are straight, we are young, we are older, we are women, we are man, we are citizens, we are dreamers, we are out of many, we are one, that's what makes america great country. and no matter what's -- young [applause] kind of haters are trying to

divide us, we're not gonna let anyone take that away from us, not now, not ever. >> i don't think you could've tested a more contrasting speech to go before kevin mccarthy if you tried in hollywood or anywhere. put aside policy for a moment, just the oratory skills of leader jeffries were quite remarkable in that display. what does it say about his leadership, his skills, and what role he will play in the next crucial few years? >> it was a beautiful speech. powerfully laid out what our priorities are and what our values and principles are. and all the more powerful in that he delivered that speech about one in the morning after very long days work. the other thing i think that's equally important to his great ability as a communicator is his ability as a leader. time after time on those 14 votes there were 214 democrats,

212 democrats voting for hakeem jeffries. we are working together we have a big tent in our party, some great diversity across the different elements of a party, but are working together with hakeem and our new leadership is what will give us strength to win in 2024 and to stand up to the worst of the extremism we can expect from the republicans. >> before i let you, go you said in the house and ways means committee which of course before democrats lost control, you released years of trump's tax returns. the information is no public. what next? >> we discover that trump had the big credits that were never the -- big losses, big credits, big deductions, that were never audited until we began investigating this by the internal revenue service. i think we made the best -- the first bill these

republicans are offering is only designed to help tax cheats. they need to believe in law in order for enforcing our tax code as much as they do and other forms of law and order. i think that there may be some more work for the democratic plan full senate to do with reference to trump's tax returns and certainly to see that these audits get completed of his returns and that he pays what to do. >> texas congressman lloyd docket, sir, thank you for joining us this saturday evening. greatly appreciate your time as always, sir. next, of group of far-right extremist throughout the whole republican party into disarray and this is about much more than one speakership. we will tell you more about this. but first, my friend richard louis is here with the headlines. hey, richard. >> hey, ayman. watching right, now a six-year-old who opened fire in virginia is in custody friday, police said. the teacher, a woman in her 30s, was hospitalized. no students were hurt. russian president vladimir putin ordered a cease-fire on friday to coincide with the start of orthodox christmas, but ukraine rejected that

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republican holdouts to grind the house of representatives to a halt this week. they refused to call kevin mccarthy speaker until early this morning. and -- confused summoned the right-wing media. >> kevin mccarthy's 202, three votes. your side has 20. is it a time for you to pack it in? -- >> he can either step aside or let someone else do the job, or he can try to win over the people who oppose him as he traditionally do in elections. >> these fox news anchors opposing reactions mirror the same infighting that we've seen on the house floor. and as political points out, the main point is the chaos. quote, there are no institutional lists here, the group is largely composed of

bomb throwers and lightning rod lawmakers who revel in their outliers status, whether it's back in their home states or in washington. joining me now to discuss this is my saturday night panel, well cristobal alex, msnbc political analyst, what tara setmayer, -- gop communications with -- african american studies at princeton university and an msnbc political analyst. it's good to have all three of you with us. terry, europe republican insider. tell us what is going on here. what do you make it a fact that these far-right election today has put a halt to congress? >> it was completely predictable. we predicted this as we saw the rise of this right-wing cabal over the years. particularly under the trump administration. i was on capitol hill when the freedom caucus guys in the tea party folks mutated into this situation that we have here

now. we watched it over the years and i am not surprised at all because they have been nothing but rewarded for the bad behavior. at least the tea party folks in the beginning had some ideological ideas of things they wanted to do in congress instead of just being political nihilists and bomb throwers and backbenchers trying to get attention. which is what you have now. so the fact that kevin mccarthy was so incredibly weak, i think that he would never become speaker. but you know what, i also thought he would never go through this level of humiliation in order to get the speakers gavel, this level of desperation is something that you're starting from a point of weakness from the very beginning so these maga extremists are actually the ones who are in control. there are no more normies in republican party. as much as people would like to think, they are not the ones who are in control. marjorie taylor greene smiling next to kevin mccarthy, smiling and selfies, those are the people in control. >> strange bed fellows.

maddie, even fox news anchors know what to make of this week. what does it tell us that even this right-wing media giant can't seem to get on the same page about what this was all about? >> well, it lets us know that the fissures within the republican party are in full view, this was in fact a battle between extremists. i think we need to be very clear about that, we don't to make kevin mccarthy and those who support him are somewhat reasonable -- voted to decertify the election in 2020. we need to understand that these 20 are actually much more radical in the sense that they are enablers of the insurrection, how many of, them 15 of them, or 14 of them are election deniers. some of them are anti-vaxxers. we -- under investigation in some significant way. i mean think about, it matt gates, this is not one of the sharpest tools in the tool chest as it were.

so we need to understand this on fox news, as well as what we've seen in the house of representatives as an indication of the intellectual bankruptcy of the republican party, of the absolute cynical will to power among some folks in the party and actually a prelude, ayman, of what we will see over the next two years. >> we cristobal, know that mccarthy had to give into several concessions of the republican holdouts, effectively weakening his speakership role. is there any way to go back from this or is the house essentially, at least for the next two years, active will of these extremists who are in the republican party? >> thanks for having me, and great to be with you all tonight. look, in a shocking twist, the people who wanted to overthrow our democracy are not good at running our democracy. so for the next two years, as you put it, we are going to be in a tough spot. i don't think we're gonna see anything meaningful coming out of the house because he's given it all away. we've already seen but these

right-wing mcgusty miss have done to the party in the last few days, imagine what they're gonna do to the whole country. that's the whole problem here is the freedom caucus in some ways has more power than the speaker and that makes the business of the house much more difficult. whether it is dealing with a debt limit, whether that is funding the government or host of other things. this small cabal, as we just heard, an extremist, maybe not that small anymore, is really in control and the folks that they're supposed to be representing, the american people, the ones who are ultimately going to lose out here. >> taylor, let me pose this question that chris to ball just mentioned, will this continue? two years, i was just marjorie taylor greene, and matt gatez, that number has grown and there were grow more powerful. what is the -- >> there is still 100 and i believe 30 of them in congress that voted against the certification of the election

in 2020 it's growing. trumpism is still alive and well. people who are trying to write trump's obituary because of the midterms and the ridiculousness of his recent announcement running for president again and him hawking digital nfts and -- like rent, he is clearly still in control of what's going on here. kevin mccarthy went out of his way to thank him and acknowledge how much of a role he played in all of this. so why would this not grow? one of the concessions that mccarthy gave away was that his speakers pack, his leadership pack, could not get involved in primaries. that right there helps those, the crazies in close primaries, have a leg up because they want have to compete against the money from the leadership packs. so there is another example of how it's possible for these people to hold elective office in more than one place. but it's up to their constituents, obviously. they're the ones voting this

bill and. >> give us the big perspective here, after all the infighting we saw, what does this say about the state of our politics generally, specifically the republicans? how do you receive the congress functioning under their control? >> i don't see the congress functioning over the next two years, i think that's very clear. i've been thinking about this a lot, ayman? the we see these folk who in some ways participated in january 6th enabled and attempt to overthrow the election. not being held to account. we know what motivates much of this deep divisions, the bitter divisions in the country. and as i was thinking about this over the course of these last few days, as we watch the circus, i kept saying to myself, we are fighting still the civil war in this country. and we have to figure out how to end it. and although we see this battle within the republican party we know that there's some

underlying commitments that connect these folk. but the broader picture, the broader divisions in the country, are rooted in the civil war, still. and until we get to that, we will find ourselves in this muck over, and over again it seems to me. >> i agree with you on that. i have to switch gears to the more specific policy question, we cristobal and that's immigration. president biden heading down to the u.s. mexico border in your hometown of el paso. just this week, the administration expanded title 42 which is controversial policy blocking migrants from their legal right to seek asylum in this country. what do you make of that? what do you hope to see from biden's trip tomorrow and his decision earlier this week? >> this is an incredibly important trip, but symbolically and from a policy perspective. in el paso, my hometown, a pass as a city of immigrants. this is a border. city this picked over here to my right is actually a painting

of the border. and it's a different viewpoint when you're on the border than the punditry you see in washington or even in the state capitals. it's understanding and need for security. but really it's understanding humanity. many of the migrants that we're seeing our asylum seekers are fleeing for their lives. and so tamar's trip by the president is absolutely crucial. number one, it's important that he stand with the region that he make the case for the new policy which, yes, it limits in some ways immediate access because of teleport-ing, but remember that some because of the president that is because of the supreme court, it's blocked the administration from lifting title 42. so the rest of the policy once, title 42 lifted, will increase legal pathways for asylum pathways which is absolutely crucial.

>> go on -- >> my apologies, i was gonna say one more thing about this. the right word, leaning on the supreme court, is a huge preliminary. we will get back to that later, but it's also a problem of congress. we've just talked about this dysfunction in congress. and ultimately, we need congressional action because the president can't do it alone. >> we are going to talk about that, i'm glad that you brought that up. please stick around, we have a lot more to discuss. we're gonna talk about israel's new far-right ring government after the break. after the break. ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein

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you may recall late last draft the results of the israeli legislative elections, i express concerned about netanyahu's pivots to the extreme right. his moves to form of frankenstein like right-wing coalition, his inclination to embrace and elevate once fringe -- a man who as reported by reuters was convicted in 2000 of seven of racist incitement against arabs and backing a group considered by israel and the united states to be a tears wrist organization. no one realistically held that hope that netanyahu would somehow moderate or returned to sanity after securing power. i hate to say it but, i was right. in fact, just before the new year, netanyahu tweeted out his vision for his government, one where the jewish people have an exclusive and unquestionable right to all areas of the land of israel. one could argue such religious superiority cement israel as an

apartheid state and ends any chances at a viable two state solution. the fact, as the new yorker puts, at the last few weeks have seen netanyahu's government take a turn towards theocracy. and his conservative coalition is taking that turn fast. we rushing to amend the country's basic law, which is a set of quasi-constitutional provisions that define government functions and empower religious scientist leaders like at the most to take charge of stuff curricula even in secular schools. and netanyahu's ultraconservatives, they're not stopping there. if anything, it seems they want to flaunt their power. in a video first published by reuters, shows ben-gvir walking through a police sanctuary, a wholly said that's both revered by jews and muslims. it's provocative move that is taunting to palestinians. and unbelievably inflammatory move from a man convicted of racist incitement. but it's more shocking when you

consider the context of the year of 2022 was the deadliest year for a west bank palestinians and nearly two decades. and an emergency session of the council on thursday, diplomats from several countries, including the united states, raised their concerns about ben-gvir's trip and called for a de-escalation. let's label that what it really is. lip service. and i asked this earnestly, how much longer is the world going to sit by idly and watch the situation deteriorate? i thought the abraham accords were supposed to bring peace to the region. if that's the case, then why is israel still pissed killing palestinians and expanding its territorial conquests of land which even the united states has deemed illegal? why has the u.s. and global reaction still just words and no actions? next, the top priority for democrats in 2023, we'll tell you more about that. that.

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schumer says confirming president biden's judicial nominees as a top agenda item for 10 to 23. over the last two years, democrats have held biden put 96 lifetime judges on the bench, more than trump did in his first two years in office. it is a major notch in biden's bill to and schumer tells the have post a plan to, quote, achieve balance on every one of the courts. every one of the courts of appeals. now this comes as the conservative supreme court wields power like we see never seen it before. a new harvard law review article says the court has rapidly been accumulating power at the expense of every other party of the government. the inability of congress to pass bipartisan laws on key issues has left the governing of two the dutch dish dairy, and this year's just sherry -- is how dysfunctional that branch of government has become. my saturday night panel is back with me to discuss this, and

cristobal, i'll start with you, you brought this up just before winter break. what do you make of the strategy by senate democrats to confirm as many judges as possible, to try to write the ship, so to speak? >> that is the right strategy for the senate. we talked about how not much is going to happen in congress over the next two years. but this is certainly something that we can get to the end of the senate. it's major priority by this president who once chair the judiciary committee. and we talked a lot about battleground states over the last few months, but really the courts are the next battleground. i never thought that i would wake up in a country where one day to the next, my daughters would have fewer rights than their mom. and would receive this court, not only is the rollback of fundamental rights, summers that people lost their lives for and including voting rights, but attacks on other branches of government, really to empower itself. including protections among others. so i can commend the white

house, i can commend the senate for the strategy -- >> president trump has touted, he certainly used the number of judges he confirmed while he was in office. it's part of his talking point. talking points in his dumb speeches, we see time and time again. biden has already surpassed that number that trump confirmed in his first two years. should democrats use that to campaign more aggressively? is that something that should be a campaign speech for democrats but throughout the country? >> absolutely. and i have to tell you that for the 27 years that i spend in the republican party, one of the premier campaign issues was judges. and of course, roe v. wade was always a big fish, they never thought that they would catch it but they obviously they did. that was an exact byproduct of decades of laying the foundation for influencing the judiciary. and that is something that a

lot of the conservative intelligence yeah, that backed trump, that i was shocked back trump because it required a lot of intellectual gymnastics to justify donald trump, but it was all because they said, listen, we get this guy in here and we can get the judges and reshaped the judiciary the way we want to and use that judiciary to our advantage to advance our culture war issues. and that's exactly what happened. republicans have been better than democrats over the years using that as a talking point and as an inflection point for voters, and incentive for them to get out there and give republicans power. and this is an example of why the senate was so incredibly important. remember, it was mitch mcconnell who blocked and obstructed barack obama's judiciary appointments for years and years. he left an opening for the republican president in 2016 with 105 open vacancies which gave the opening for trump to appoint all of these judges. and he was just a puppet. he was a federal society and

the clermont institute, and all those people that were influencing who they wanted on these appointments. finally there are 35 vacancies since he came into appointment. so the fact that was able to pick up the pace and try to keep pace with what trump did was an extraordinarily important, including with the gridlock on the congress of the house side. they're not gonna get much legislation but try to get what they're doing with the judiciary is really important and i hope the democrats campaign on that. >> in me, the -- certainly for women in this country, they can reshape their entire political landscape later this year was -- was it important to do this when the supreme court yields this much power? is a kind of a moot point when you're talking about the court of appeals in the supreme is drastically affecting and reshaping our society? >> absolutely, on a number of

different levels. and particularly given the fact that we see this salt on voting rights and we know that the john lewis voting rights bill will not be come law, we need the courts as a kind of backstop in so many ways. and we need to address the diversity of the court, when we see that 75% of the appointments of women, 68% of them are people of color, 48% of women of color, 24 black women on the courts, we see they are coming from a different backgrounds, professionally as, well from public defenders to voting rights lawyers. this is really important as a kind of counter to what trump -- what trump did during his time. i think that's really important. and second, the second point, ayman, that we need to focus, on is the court has always played a role in this moment of backlash. when we see think about the collapse of reconstruction, what was the role of the supreme court, when we think about those moments when the nation really try to imagine

itself as a multi racial democracy, how the court grabbed ahold of those efforts and choke the life out of it. it's important for us to understand the role of the supreme court in this moment of crisis. in this world when that we find ourselves, we have a gerrymandered house that's not working. we have an imperial presidency that worries us deeply, we have a broken city and so many ways, and we have a supreme court that is overreaching. this, in some ways, causes us the deep crisis that we face in the democracy of the country. >> let me pick up on that, cristobal, the professor eddie glaude was talking about, because professor outlawed glumly wrote something similar in the harvard law review that the supreme court has not been favoring one branch of government over another or favoring states over federal government, or the rights of people over governments. rather, it is withdrawing power from all of them at once. what do you think of that description, that

characterization? >> i think that is exactly right. you know, i mentioned a minute ago that we have to do better about holding this court accountable and my grandmother used to have a saying, tell me who you walk, with tummy whose hand, with an all tell you who you are. and when we look at this court and who they stand, with who they, are ginni thomas, an election denier, texting with mark meadows about overturning a valid election, look at the other starts reminders of threats to democracy that are connected to this court. and i think the point about the rolling back of civil rights, fundamental rights, of abortion rights, not only is that a threat to our democracy, but it's a stark reminder of what happened on january 6th and we have to find ways of not only making sure we have the balance of the lower courts, and remember -- we have thousands of federal cases a year.

the supreme court takes up a small number of cases. yes, they have enormous consequences. but we have to -- protect our democracy and hold these folks accountable who are really trying to bolt the own political power. >> i don't, it's the ground, was gonna pick next. the newly elected house speaker kevin mccarthy squeak out a win for our worst week segment. rst week segment

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week. our first candidate, newly crowned house speaker kevin mccarthy, who was unable to far-right extremists in his party, as finally paid off, and it could not have been a more sad and desperate path to get there. after having his beaker bit blocked 14 times, mccarthy resorted to publicly begging matt gaetz and lauren boebert for their votes. they're ultimately voted present. you would think that mccarthy at least had this competition in the bag, but there is also now congressman george santos, who is being investigated at every legal level of lying about crucial details of his life. he has apologized for embellishing his resume, but has not prevented him from becoming a pariah within his own party. over the past week, he has looked like a highschooler without a lunch table, but as the week went on, it seemed desantis was at least getting closer to finding a quick when marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz decided to sit with him. i don't know if that's better than sitting alone, george.

let's bring back our panel to discuss. this cristobal, who's your pick for worst of the week? george santos or kevin mccarthy? >> i think it was tara who said mccarthy cumulated himself all week -- to secure his speakership, but for me, santos is still the worst. don't be surprised if tomorrow, he tweets out that he's been elected by his fellow republicans a speaker. he's an embarrassment. as a latino, he spent a lot of time to elect latinos to office. he's not what we're looking for, let's put it that way. >> tara, how pathetic is it that mccarthy had to make these concessions like giving the house freedom member committee assignments to get him over the finish line? where do you come down on these two? >> i obviously, george santos has already been speaker, to alex's point. you still might thunder on the. santos has already been speaker,

he was already governor of new york. i think he already was president of santos land or some other country we have not heard of yet. listen, this guy is a train wreck and a liar, and it is really incredible that kevin mccarthy was so desperate to become speaker that he has nothing to say about this. he seems not to have a problem with a new member of congress who could potentially be a national security threat, who has been compromised in every which way that we know of. do we even know if his name is santos, because there was a couple of times where they called his name and he said, wait, who me? even with all that, it's still kevin mccarthy because mccarthy has given away his political soul. he's clearly nothing left but an aberration. the speaker in name only, and when you are a political masochist the way he is, i can't imagine how much winning you're actually going to do, so he is the biggest loser. >> all right, professor, give me your take, you had george santos, he's in peril for all the lies on his resume, still

cannot himself in putting on a person loose claiming that he was sworn in days before he was actually sworn in, who knows, maybe he would have the credible speaker of the house of one point. is it just a pathological liar at this point or is there something more sinister here? >> could be both, could be both. let me just say this, there is a continuing here, and i'm thinking about james madison. i might slaughter the quotation, but madison said if individuals are not motivated by moral principles but it is vain to look for public virtues. here we have two examples of people, of individuals and politicians who lack any sense of public virtue, both are obsessed with will a power, both seem to lack the character to stand in for political service, so to choose between them, what the hell, both of them are bad to me. >> i've got to say, professor, you elevated the quality of the segment to a whole new level. you just took it from down here,

from the junior league all dry up to the varsity lead. cristobal, so mccarthy may time in his speech last night to basically promise he will hold hearings physically at the southern border, investigate the fbi, investigate the irs. how could they be taken seriously to tackle real life issues for everyday americans like inflation, when they are spending tax dollars on these beatrice? >> yeah, it really is remarkable, and i have to tell you, i don't think they can be taken seriously. what we will see over the next couple of years is theatrical. what we will see is really zero productivity coming out of this republican body, and again, we have to lean on demonstration through executive action. apparently, we had to do that on the border because there's no real leadership in congress on the republican side to tackle these major issues, as an example of that, in the final days of last year.

the white house asked for 4.9 billion dollars for the border. they came back with us than half of the. they can't talk seriously about the border and want to do hearings on the border, when they're short changing the border. >> tara, i want to go back to what professor eddie glaude was talking about, the character of these two men. i'm taking about a run up to the election, mitch mcconnell saying, candidate quality actually matters. i'm thinking of herschel walker, mehmet oz, a few other folks running on the republican ticket, i lost count, i don't even remember their names anymore. but talk to me about this. how much longer are we going to see these types of characters within the republican party? >> as long as they keep getting a platform, as long as there is no accountability for their antics, there's been no accountability for them, not yet. thankfully, many of these characters, who are running for important offices like secretary of state in swing states in 2024, arizona, nevada,

wisconsin, other places, they lost, thank god, because they were democracy and election deniers. people like doug mastriano, who was insane and lost the governorship in pennsylvania, where the governor appoint the secretary of state that oversees the elections. these people are real threats to our democracy, and kevin mccarthy and the republican leadership has emboldened them. he was taking selfies with marjorie taylor greene for god sake. she does not sit on any committee. she's kicked off of her committees because of her nonsense about jewish space lasers, qanon, antisemitism and racism. and now she is driving the bus. she is dictating what is going on here. matt gaetz, who is credibly accused of sex trafficking minors in florida, is the person garnering all this attention, dictating who will become speaker next. lauren boebert, you've got to be kidding me, this is the clown caucus. these are the people in charge. if you look at it as extremists,

what we consider extremists because we're normal people, they're saying, we can do this to. george santos got elected to congress. >> scary times for the republican party. cristobal, tara setmayer, eddie glaude junior, thank you for your time, great to see you as always, thank you for making time for us. make sure to come back tomorrow night, nine eastern on msnbc, congressman dan goldman from new york will be here to talk about donald trump's relationship with the republican party after this week's chaotic speakership boat and his new role as congressman after serving as the democrats lead counsel during trump's first impeachment. until then, i am ayman mohyeldin live in new york, have a good night. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪