a very good day to all of, you from msnbc headquarters in new york, welcome everyone to alex reports. developing this hour, right now president biden is on his way to el paso, texas, he is preparing to make his first visit as president to the southern border later this afternoon. this comes days after the biden administration announced a new plan to address the crisis which has seen record nimbus of migrants crossing into the u.s.. earlier today, dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas expressed what he hopes the president gets out of this trip. >> i want him to see the extraordinary work of the men and women of the united states border patrol of customs and border protection's field operations, how we have surged resources to address a challenge that is not unique to the southern border of the united states, it is a challenge that is really gripping our entire hemisphere. >> while the house is preparing to reconvene tomorrow to debate on a wills package following

the contentious weeklong battle for speaker. kevin mccarthy's rocky road to the gavel including sessions made to the far-right's holdouts is raising fresh questions about how a republican-led house will govern. earlier today, house republicans getting their take. >> sometimes democracy is messy, but i would argue that's exactly how the founders intended it. they wanted real debate, real input from all people, and then you get a decision. >> it is positive, not negative. it is not weakening kevin mccarthy it is providing the speaker with the tools he needs for republicans to go to the map of the american people. >> 218-plus republicans realized that kevin mccarthy needs a chance to govern, and we are going to give him a chance. >> well, democrats giving a different view earlier today. the leader hakeem jeffries expressing concerns with the prolonged speaker fight means for the house moving forward. >> this function was historic that we saw this week is not at an end, it is just the beginning. and while the congress was held

captive, this particular time, what is going to be a problem is if the american people will be held captive over the next two years to the extreme maga republican agenda. >> we now have a panel of reporters and analysts joining us to go over today's major developments, and we begin with nbc's gabe gutierrez in el paso, ahead of the president's arrival there. gabe, welcome, what are we hearing from the white house about what the president wants to accomplish there? >> hi, there, alex fearsome breaking news. i am standing in front of an el paso police car. there was a migrant, a venezuelan migrant, which spoke with that was right away in handcuffs right now. i want to show you where i am, i'm over here at the sacred heart church, this is where migrants have been gathering over the past few weeks. and we're just last week, according to video that was obtained by nbc news, see vp officials have actually arrested many of the migrants that have been here. there was a lot of tensions were seeing here right now,

just before the president's set here to arrive, and we were here early this morning, and these migrants here, many of them had been sleeping here in very cold temperatures. temperatures in the 30s. now they have been gathering here throughout the morning, many of them from venezuela, we haven't spoken with some nicaraguans as well. some of these migrants, excuse me, they say that they actually have not been processed by cbp. so some of them are worried about being rounded up. there are a lot of law enforcement present here, but local advocates, they say that they do not believe that this is humane. that these migrants are near this church and they should not be arrested. so getting to the presidents trip right now, i would say that this is some of what he will be seeing, but from what we will be seeing, he will be touring a port of entry here in el paso as well as a migrant processing facility. the white house says that since

mid december, there has been a sharp reduction in the number of one-off border crossings here in el paso. that is down 70% from mid december, when we were here several weeks ago, there was that rather significant minor influx were hundreds or more than 1000 at a time we're trying to cross from lake where as to el paso. we now see what's going on right now. that appears to be el paso city police at least taking some of the blankets and some of the encampments that we have seen here overnight. again, this is happening just hours before president biden is set to touch down here for his first presidential visit at the border since taking office. now republicans have long blasted the biden administration for not visiting the border and for what they say are lax immigration policies that are leading to this influx of migrants. the biden administration is backing republicans, they are

saying that congress has not funded some of the policies that the biden administration has wanted to put in place, they have actually increased enforcement and that the announced policies last week that made the storage illegal border crossings. that was meant to encourage migrants to apply for asylum before they get to united states. also, this is the scene we are seeing right now, here alex, the immigration debate has played out for decades and has stymied illustrations for both political parties. but the biden administration is walking into a very complicated issue, right here in el paso, this afternoon. >> gabe, let me ask you, do you know the reason for the arrest of the venezuelan migrant that was taken away in that car that was put into that car in handcuffs? what did police tell you? >> let me keep showing you a little bit of this, my camera meant mcgill, there actually is another migrant being led by the police -- [speaking non-english]

>> he says he was counting money next to a truck. [speaking non-english] >> he says he got here yesterday. [speaking non-english] >> so, alex, he says he is venezuelan, he says he got here yesterday he says he doesn't know why he is being arrested, but again, as you can see there are active arrest going on right now by local officials here in el paso, right outside of the sacred heart church. gave a statement to my colleague julia hensley saying that there has been increased enforcement in this area, in the last several weeks. but they have increased their enforcement here and that at least some of these migrants have not actually turned themselves in to be processed for asylum, and that may have

something to do with it. again, in my brief conversation with that migrant right there, he says he is from venezuela, he says he got here last night, he says he doesn't know why he was picked up. but again, we are outside of this church where there are easily dozens if not hundreds of migrants that are out here right now. and there are several arrests underway right now. >> gabe, was that a cbp officer or an el paso pd officer, do you know who is rounding these migrants up? >> those particular officers right there i believe them to be el paso city pd. they are not federal officials. last week, the video was obtained by nbc news, and migrant advocates have referred to those were customs and border protections federal officers. but right now, what's going on right now, you can see at least there is one, two, that are

being led away in handcuffs. these are local city pd officers. >> gave, is there any discernible rhyme or reason as to why those two have been plucked out of all of those dozens and dozens of migrants better in that region? do you have any reason to think why those two have been taken. >> you know, alex, in my brief conversation with him he spoke to me in spanish very, very briefly and he said he was counting some money. there does seem to be some evidence there, i see packs of cigarettes, i see some money that they are going through his well. i can't speculate as to what the allegations for would be for them to be picked up at this point. he is right now talking to the officer right here. but again, he says he doesn't know why he was picked, up he says he was picked up outside the church, alex. >> gave, you stay right where you are i'm going to bring right now into the conversation

democratic conversation congressman, a good friend of the show, bringing you in, sir, as i welcome you and congratulate you on being reelected and actually sworn in yesterday. >> finally. >> let me ask you what you think about what we are seeing play out gave gutierrez and the president is on his way right now to el paso to deal, in person, for the first time as president with the situation going along the border. what goes through your mind when you go through these migrants being led away in handcuffs? >> we have had a broken immigration system for decades. it is not a new thing. it didn't begin yesterday. and it was aggravated and significantly diminished during the trump years with the muslim ban, with the slashing of refugee status, with his policies with respect to the border. we are paying a price for all of that that, cumulatively over many years. but we need is a fair, humane, predictable and enforceable set

of laws with respect to immigration so people know that if they apply and come legally, they have a very reasonable chance of being dealt with judiciously, and with due process. >> okay, as we are looking at what is happening there, we see a handful of officers and, again, dozens and dozens certainly numbering into the low hundreds of people milling about. so my question is in terms of resources, sir, president biden, as you know, has requested three and a half billion dollars to try and secure the border and higher 2000 asylum officers. about 100 immigration judges as well. however, congress has only approved 1.6 billion. that came down last month, i believe, when the congress was led by the democrats. how much can biden actually do on his own. what he is doing today, coming there, showing a presence getting a firsthand look, he says he wants to talk with

officials, with migrants, with lawmakers as well. and how much does improving the situation at the border rely now on a bipartisan solution by congress. would it not benefit, sir, both sides to pass legislation to overhaul the immigration system? >> absolutely. and there are solutions at hand, but congress has consistently resisted that, especially frankly, on the republican side. immigration reform is like a third rail for them. and as a result, we have had dysfunction and have not been able to come together on a bipartisan basis to fix the broken immigration system. and, so it is the challenge of the republican-led majority in the house, and unfortunately, their priorities don't seem to match up with this pressing need. there are rhetoric is one thing, but their willingness to address this issue is quite another. and so we are going to spend a lot of time on phony

investigations, phony impeachments, and looking at the weaponization of the fbi, instead of dealing with real problems that affect america and have plagued america for decades. >> so we're there to be some sort of a bipartisan solution to immigration, what could potentially look like? >> but what would it look like, and who would be in charge of putting that together. >> well there are certainly people in the u.s. senate on both sides of the aisle who want to fix the system. but i think the possibility of common ground is very narrow. i mean, from my point of view, you start with dreamers. there are hundreds of thousands of dreamers who came to this country as young and children with no will of their own, they need to be regularized in their status and given a path to citizenship. that is the right thing to do, it would send an important signal to would be immigrants that the system will be fair and predictable.

but then you've got to come up with a system that people know what works, that is an arbitrary, isn't whimsical, i can tell you doing casework, immigration has maybe one of the most pressing issues i deal with and it is also one of the most frustrating because it is whimsical. decisions get made an arbitrary basis, they don't get made on a humane basis, and as a result, people don't have confidence in the system. you've got to restore that confidence. and when you do, i believe, you reduce the incentive to come here illegally. >> congressman, as we continue looking at the left of the screen here and we see more migrants being arrested thereby presumably el paso city police, that is what gave gutierrez was able to determine as he is right on the scene there. i'm going to ask you stay with me sir, we are going to go to capitol hill right now and ask a question right now about the business of the new republican-led house. that begins tomorrow, and next on the agenda, of course, the new house rules. as well as a laundry list of concessions for kevin mccarthy that was forced to give up in

order secures bigger ship votes from the furthest right members of his caucus. let's go to nbc congressional correspondent julie, who is joining me. >> julie, it sounds like sailing may not be a smooth as he expect. >> definitely, not alex, as we go ahead to this rules vote tomorrow night which is essentially what congress needs to govern. they have a speaker now, now they need those rules, and we've heard from moderates just this morning that talking about how they plan to vote for this. and before we talk about that, i want to tick through some of what they are planning on to implement on this next congress, because the rules package itself does make changes that are republicans are on board with advocate put up that full screen that you see on your screen here, votes on conservative bills, border security, term limits balanced budget, all of this is typically what they agree with. but it is those backroom deals they are calling that they take issue with, and that has to do with, of course, spending mainly defense cuts could be had because if they are

balancing the bezel 2:22 levels, that is a cut even from what they just passed this year, with senate republicans touting as a huge win. so i want you to take a listen at with that in mind, to moderates stances, talk about why they are iffy on this vote. i >> i'm considering that as an option right now, i like this package, it is the most open and fair and fiscally conservative package we have had in 30 years. i support it. but what i don't support is a small number of people trying to get a deal done, or deals done for themselves in private, in secret, to get a vote or a vote present. >> at the end of the day, you can't let the insurgency caucus take hold and dictate. the reason why i'm voting against the rules package was really to specific reasons. one, we were supposed to vote on this rules package in the dead of the night right after swearing in. which i think is very not

transparent. more importantly, this has a proposed billions of dollar cut to defense. which i think is a horrible idea. >> a horrible idea, he is not alone. a lot of republicans are going to feel that way and remember the tight margin that mccarthy is working here, now speaker mccarthy, he can only stand to lose four votes tomorrow on this rules package, what you saw fanned out on your screen was that bill. but there is a lot of stuff about three pages i am told, that we are not seeing publicly, full of concessions that mccarthy needed to make to the handful of these members to then vote present and ensure that they can become speaker. and that includes things like a motion to vacate, only one person could call for a no confidence vote for the speaker. but it also includes other things. potentially that could risk that defense spending which republicans are on board with, of course, and that could make it hard to keep the government open and make it hard to increase the debt limit that is up in the spring. so this makes it really hard

for mccarthy to govern. it makes a beautiful weekend speaker by many in the moderate faction of his party, and you can see we went from the right wing will head to piece to goes guys, and now he has to appeal to the moderates in his party. so this is just going to set up a really frustrating time for him as speaker here in the next two years. >> absolutely, julie tsirkin, thank you so much for staying on top of. that democratic congressman gerry connolly is back with me. just one question sir. given the fact that you are, there you witnessed all the drama of the speaker showdown this week, and while it was somewhat like a reality show for many, is the dysfunction the reality that you expect over the next two years? did kevin mccarthy give up too much to effectively to lead and let me ask, p.j., our director? to put back up the screen there of some of those concessions that kevin mccarthy is made. because specifically i would like you to address the defense spending cuts, to what end? the republicans are the self anointed party of the military. is that defense spending

overall? perhaps that which gets siphoned over to ukraine? and no increase to the debt limit sir? how concerned are you that we could default? t? >> kevin mccarthy has been drinking from a poisoned chat-less all week long and has been cutting deals with the far-right in his caucus. we now see he is going to have to drink from a fire hose in terms of the poison he has agreed to, and you have put them up there on the screen. it can lead to threatening national security, it can lead to a deal in the national debt in the downgrading of our credit worthiness as a country, in the united states of america, and the so-called balanced budget amendment can lead to enormous disinvestment's that we desperately need in america while we are making progress,

including at the border you just covered. so i think this is a disastrous rule package, and it can be all laid at the feet of kevin mccarthy and his ambition to be speaker at any cost, and any agreement. and he has drunk from the poisoned chalice, the rest of us don't have to do that. >> it is a sobering commentary from, you but i appreciate it, democratic congressman gerry connolly, our friend, happy new year good to see you. so if your head is still spinning from what happened on capitol hill this winning, consider this headline about trump's influence over congress, why it is not in the rearview mirror. but still, the long lasting consequences of washington's wild week. so clothes look newer, longer. feel the difference with downy. >> let's remember that a little

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american people. what the american people were able to see unfold on the floor was a good thing for our democracy in our republic, right? it was a good thing for people to be able to see the inner workings. >> republican congressman chip roy, a key conservative negotiator giving an optimistic yang what played out this week, as it took 15 ballots to elect kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. joining me, now don calloway, democratic strategist and founder of the national voter protection action fund. and a republican strategist and a republican congressman from florida, both are msnbc political analysts, and my sunday family and it has been so good to see you guys throughout this week. well done, on all of it. at least the tenor of things a little more calm on this sunday. but david, do you agree with congressman roy's take there? to most americans see it that way, i mean are you optimistic that are a public and led house is going to get things done? what's its first test going to be to prove it? >> i don't think most americans

see it the way chip roy sees. it i will say this, it is true the housework, in that is always a good thing, in fact one of the claims of this caucus is that they have empowered more members through this rules package. that is a good thing, the problem is look at who it is empowering. all right? nancy pelosi, john boehner, -- were able to keep this caucus in check. and who is this caucus? this is the insurrection caucus. this is largely the people that aided and abetted donald trump to try to steal the election and leading into the events of january 6th. they now have more power, and that is the danger. not a rules package that gives each member more power, but the fact that they have the power, and i would also say that on this rules package, they say they don't have the votes for it. the themes alex, this week, is that whether not people could trust kevin mccarthy before giving him the vote for speaker. while half of the promises kevin made are in the rules package. so if the rules package can't now pass, this trust issue

comes back up, because this caucus gave kevin their votes, but kevin may not be able to deliver on what he promised them to get their votes. this is going to be a real test this week. >> okay, you comment on that susan, that the lack of trust that republicans may have been kevin mccarthy. and the fact that he made all of these concessions may have gotten him the job, but how hard is going to be to continue in the job? how long do you think he will last? will he go to filter? >> i don't think he will last for two years, but just to follow-up on what david was saying, i think it is that issue of trust. and not only to the anthrax in this caucus not trust him, but i think they're a lot of centrist republicans that feel like they were sold out, and that they don't trust him. so getting this rules package done, he may have a very hard time delivering because of that centrist group, because no one knows exactly what deals were cut. and i hope they speak up and

voice their opinion, because their vote counts the same as the others. everyone just has one vote. and that is why i hope, going forward, you do see a bunch of republicans who say, no more. because they were standing strong behind mccarthy, not because they were in love with mccarthy or they saw him as a great leader, but at some point, i think it was around the fifth or sixth vote, they were like i'll be damned if i let those 20 get the best of me. i'm not going to let them when. it wasn't about kevin, and that is kevin mccarthy's biggest problem. is that on both sides, they're really don't like him. >> okay, put on your strategies had don, because i want to ask, you how do democrats capitalize on the dysfunction we are seeing among house republicans and could some of these concessions that mccarthy made to the far-right flank, does that actually force him to the table with democrats

potentially? >> you know, to answer your questions in reverse, i don't think it forces him to the table with democrats. i got a lot of texts and dms over the course of this week over the course of these epic 15 ballots saying what are the chances that we will get a democratic speaker, and the answer is zero. we will clearly see a motion to vacate the chair. i don't know of kevin mccarthy survives this whole to your turn like my colleagues have said, but that does not mean that power in the gavel will somehow follow into the hands of the democratic party. we should probably get to know steve scalise, so one of the other folks who seems to have a little more solid footing with both sides of the republican house caucus. however, i think that, and we have talked about this as we've watched the trump administration implode over the last four years of his time, this is a time for democrats to organize. this is a time for a talented staffers to want to put their time and attention for the dccc to see who we can recruit, if there are any more maxwell frost south there, if there are any more sullenly is out there for pennsylvania, this is the

time for people who have been thinking about saving money and thinking about running for local office to do that. this is the time for democrats to organize. when the opponent's weekend, this is a time for democrats to be thinking about their values, organizing and getting ready to run for office. organizing and getting ready t run for office and, frankly for the national democratic party to get candidates of good conscience. that is what we should be doing instead of laughing at this, it was fun to watch over the course of today's and 15 ballots, i really appreciate commentary you gave, but now is the time for democrats to be fair for the next -- >> long term focus on that at this. point what about you david can you give us a position on a former member of congress, can you walk us through the significance of the rules package which the house tackles first thing tomorrow, and given what happened over these four days this week, do you think there is going to be another lengthy fight between republicans over this? are we going to see it all play out and sort of watch in wonder? >> sure. so the bottom line is what the

rules package, if it passes, and it doesn't contain all of kevin's promises, some of them are just in his words to somebody else. what's the promise matt gates? that is not in the rules package. but the rules package promises that it was a vote on about a different pieces of for conservative legislation, it empowers every member to have, as we now know the ability to vacate the chair, to offer, amendments it does that we are going to trend down spending, and that is odd that is when we are gonna see a result from the traditional appropriators in defense talks are going to say to kevin, wait, what did you just give away in that space? here is the most dangerous thing, alex, and i think we really have to watch this closely. it is the committee on the establishment of the federation -- this is what i'm calling the insurrection committee, their inspection platform. i think they are going to spend two years telling the american people that the fbi, the cia, the department of justice, and our intelligence agencies are coming after you, the american people. and they are going to work for two years to de stabilize and

undermine american's confidence in government, this is the threat of republicanism to insurrection in some. this is the committee that will do it, that is in the rules pack. that >> is a frightening scenario you're lying out. i have to ask one question to you susan, because about donald, trump because he was taking a bow on his social media platform. mccarthy praised and think trump forgetting him his votes, but in the earlier situations -- for trump's nomination for speaker, that one got only one single vote. what is the reality of trump standing in the party, is it still an iron grip or is it slipping away, give it to mean about 30 seconds. >> well, it still they are no doubt, especially with the voters of the republican party. as far as the elected officials and what we've seen, over the votes, i think they have kind of said we like, you but we've had enough of you. and that donald trump will not scare people into action. but he will hold things over

their heads and that is exactly what he did with kevin mccarthy got. >> i think you did in about 20, so well done. all three, of you as always, my sunday family. good to see you all, don, susan, david. meantime lots going on in el paso, we showed it to you earlier live, several migrant arrests, president biden is about to visit that city, what his visit will accomplish, next. his visit will accomplish, next. better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. second date, wish me luck buddy. mouth to mission control. we have a denture problem. over. roger that. with polident cleanser and polident adhesive refresh and secure for any close encounter. if your mouth could talk it would ask for polident and poligrip. sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. it would ask for with caplyta,

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♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ where he will meet with officials insist extra begins in el paso where he will be meeting with law enforcement, this is homeland security officer -- said about his goals for the visit. >> i want to receive the extraordinary work of the men and women of the united states

border patrol of customs and border protections field operations, how we have surged resources to address a challenge that is not unique to the southern border of the united states, it is gripping the hemisphere, and a regional challenge requires a regional solution. that is one of the elements of the north american leader summit that we look forward to addressing. >> and joining me now is jeff mason, white house correspondent for us, happy new year my friend. i'm curious what you make of the timing of this visit, why did the president's side now was the right time to make a trip to the border? >> well i think, number one, alex is that this meeting in mexico with leaders of mexico and of canada, it just made sense sort of geographically to stop off and check in on the way there because it is issue that can be discussed while he's there for the summit. so i think eight, that is one. point be i think the time actually could be that much better for him in that this is a tough issue for president

biden, he is going to get criticism, is getting criticism from republicans on, it and yet he is going to the border at a time when republicans, as we've seen the last week, are in complete disarray in washington. so it is not an easy story for him, but it is one that will continue at least along with basically everything else he is done in the last week, to contract with what republicans are doing in congress. so i think it is a combination of this is something he needed to do eventually, it will be something that he will continue to face criticism over from the opposition, and if he decides to run for reelection, which we expect to hear affirmatively in the coming weeks and months, it will be something that he has to face on a debate stage. so he gets out of the way by going today, addressing, it having the video and having the pictures of him being there and then being able to discuss it. >> speaking of disarray, you mentioned washington and lee or live pictures to the left of the screen, we've had a camera in our correspondent gabe gutierrez down, there and we've watched at least two migrants

being taken away in handcuffs and more subsequently since from our control booth, when you look at scenes like this, as this the kind of thing that the president is expecting to see. he says he wants to get out, see what's happening on his own merit, talk with the officials, get out there and see what's happening. is this the kind of seen that he is expecting to see do you think? >> i think the answer to that is no. i have been on a couple border trips with presidents before, and you don't get this close to the migrants and the people. exactly. and yet, i think that the critics on both side no doubt from republicans and the democratic side, would like the president biden if not to see this directly, to at least be aware of what is going on there. yes. >> so, it comes as you know, just days after the president announced this new plan to address the migrant crisis at the border. it is a clear indication that immigration is a top priority for this administration, but is this part of a greater strategy,

jeff? is the president enters his third year in office, and if so, does the shift in congress have anything to do with the renewed focus on the border. you can't think that there is just a coincidence timing wise? >> no, i agree with you, alex, i don't think it is a coincidence. i think it is something that they know they need to address, and that is why they have unveiled these priorities in this program in the last week. as i said before, i think it is something where he is vulnerable, politically, and as you saw that the criticism in the last few days did not just come from predictably from republicans but also from democrats who believe that this policy of sort of, continuing a policy that started under the trump administration, of rapid returning some of these migrants from these countries plus venezuela very quickly, was described by democrats as being inhumane. so it is a tricky issue for this president, and i do think they want to make it a priority, you will hear the white house

say that what we really want to do is have brought immigration reform. but the bill that they proposed to the beginning of his presidency has not moved anywhere and faced republican opposition, and is almost certainly not going to go anywhere in the coming two years. >> let me just say, observationally, and i'm sure you show this is, well we are looking at these people in there on the streets of el paso. these are human beings. they are just trying to make their way into a place where they have hopes and dreams of a better life, and they are spending hours days, weeks, just camped out on the streets. i know a lot of ngos have been doing extraordinary work in trying to get on the resources they need to stay warm, to stay fed, to stay with some sort of shelter. it is an extraordinary thing that we are seeing play out there in el paso. and other border cities. having said, that we keep around it, obviously with the president heading to address this very issue today. iously w>> i do want to talk abt congress, and what you know, jeff, and how the white house used the contentious house speaker battle that unfolded there this last week. is there any optimism from the

administration are, they want to be able to work with this new house and getting things done? >> just briefly on last point, alex, i'm glad the made a point of saying this is not just a political story. it is a human being story. and i am really glad you underscore that. talking more broadly about the congress, you know, i think this last week there have been jokes about white house officials popping popcorn and just watching the sideshow that was the battle for the speakership. i think that it gives president biden opportunity to provide a contrast between what he is doing, what he has gotten done, and with rope republicans fertility to govern. we will see if kevin mccarthy is right in saying that this part taught republicans how to govern, he certainly faces a lot of challenges with that very small minority, i do think the white house wants to be able to work with republicans, you saw that pretty vividly last week with president biden met with senator mccain -- with senator mcconnell, rather, during his trip to kentucky.

that was a show of bipartisanship and that is something that i think he wants to show, whether he will be able to do that with speaker mccarthy is really tbd. >> well, tbd when we have you on again, i hope it is very, very soon my friend. good to see you. >> thank. you >> we appreciated. the incredible story of damar hamlin and his message to america. as 2 cups of broccoli. metamucil gummies the easy way to get your daily fiber. nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid before it begins. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. want luxury hair repair that doesn't cost $50? pantene's pro-vitamin formula repairs hair. as well as the leading luxury bonding treatment. for softness and resilience, without the price tag.

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buffalo bills are playing their first game since teammate damar hamlin went into cardiac arrest on the field monday night. hamlin has been making an astonishing recovery, it is now breathing on his own. here's an excerpt of report from nbc's, jesse courage. >> it's a sunday unlike any other, the national football league has ever seen. so many expected to cheer for one man, damar hamlin still hospitalized in cincinnati, the buffalo bills safety writing on instagram, the love has been overwhelming. i am thankful for every person who prayed for me and reached out. buffalo wakes up for its final regular season game at home against the new england patriots. from the 30 yard line to the bills jerseys, hamlin's energy will be back on the gridiron. some fans inside will where that buffalo gives and the thurman thomas family foundation are being sold to raise money for free cpr classes, that car helped save hamlin's life. >> joining me now is forbes dot

com national sports -- terrence, welcome, give me your sense of is time at the damar ambulance end, we are hassan stoning happy to recovery. and you heard take questions yesterday, he and also talk thanked supporters in his about any first since the questions or collapse. concerns you might have. give me a sense of where i wanted you think things to provide stand now, what you may a brief update of the know, and what is the scuttle over whether or not he will play in the nfl again? given the injury that he had. >> first of all, alex, this thing is so amazing. and today, alluded to, it and buffaloes paying the new england patriots, and this is going to be attribute day to the sky. damar hamlin. and what makes it so interesting is that usually, at funerals nowadays they call it a celebration of life. they are calling a celebration of an ongoing life, which is so great. and here's the thing, he essentially is a 21st century lazarus, probably be better. lazarus died once and came back,

this guy died twice and he came back. so it is just an amazing story for mankind, beyond the national football league. >> it absolutely is. let's take a listen together to the bills quarterback, josh allen, and talking about the emotional aspect of what his teammates saw. >> i think putting that helmet back on today was a really good thing for our team, and just to kind of go through that process, but i would be lying to fight and say that some people are going to be changed forever after being on the field and witnessing that. >> wow, changed forever. i mean, how does this affect the team? >> i didn't fully answer your first question, whether not he plays or not again. i don't think we should even be thinking about that. >> duly noted, i figured you thought as much. >> but i keep thinking back to 1998, and that is when the new york yankees where a powerful team they were going into the

playoffs, one of their star players, daryl strawberry, was diagnosed with colon cancer. and he had this major surgery, and the yankees used that as part of their motivation towards winning the world series. i see this is a very similar situation in the sense that the buffalo bills are a very powerful team, an excellent team, and they are using this as part of their inspiration to really go even further than they would've before, and then that is a good thing for turning that negative into a positive. >> let me ask you about your most recent article, terrence, in which you criticize nfl commissioner roger goodell for not spending the bills bangles game sooner? because it took 65 minutes from what hamlin collapse until the game was called. explain why you say this was a poor decision. >> yeah, will it is worse than a portis issue. it is an awful decision. the nfl is getting off the hook on this. this thing should have been called way sooner than 65 minutes later. because let me start with this, alex, for the first 89 minutes,

they are working on the field to save his life. everybody could see that. you can see on the face of the players, and if you believe the nfl, the nfl said they were in constant communication with the physical people on the sidelines. so surely they were telling him that this guy was going to just dire straits. so you might give the nfl the first 30 minutes because you saw the ambulance down there on the field, and if you called the game at that point, then you have to figure that the and was just trying to get through all this traffic and what have you. but certainly, when the ambulance left a field 35 minutes in, that is when they should've called the game right then. and yet they didn't want to, they waited another 30 minutes trying to figure this thing out. and i dare say, this is because this is a league that made a record 18 billion with a b dollars last year, and you're thinking in terms of dollars, profit margin as opposed to player safety. >> okay, let me just quickly ask you though, you give him the time until the ambulance leaves the field. but, you've gotta think first of all, roger goodall was just like you and me.

we are watching this holding our breath, what is happening, is this guy going to survive. you see him leave the field in the ambulance. i know you're talking about 30 minutes or so, but can roger goodall just call that and say were gun, and wouldn't have had to consult with people and team owners and the television folks or can he just say kaput? >> alex, this goes back to the first part of a second before. they are telling us, the nfl, but they were in constant communication with what was going on on the sidelines. okay? and what was going on on the sidelines, what we saw, was horrific. and so what they are telling them and time of the people there, it has to be even much worse than that. and again, this ties into something else. you are talking about a lead, here you've got all these concussion lawsuits and for people who don't know, you know, back about 20 years ago a lot of nfl players were suffering from cte, these head injuries. they were dying from this thing here. and they were pleading with the nfl to do something about, it and they did not do anything

until 2016, kicking and screaming when they were forced by the supreme court to settle this thing for a billion dollars with a b. so that just tells you the mindset here. the mindset is always okay, let's hold off here and see if we can salvage the game salvage the situation for profit margin as opposed to listen, the good thing in the best thing to do right now is to say look let's to the right thing, let's do it and qatar out let's move on from here. >> they certainly didn't at some, point and that game will not be replayed. terrence, morgan good to see you, thank you much. meantime, everyone, there is new speculation over donald trump's over the influence over the republican party after many of his most loyal backers refused to vote for kevin mccarthy for speaker of the house. after trump's handpicked candidates failed to usher in a red wave during the midterms, and the underwhelming response to his 2024 presidential campaign, there are mounting questions over whether or not trump's status as gop kingmaker has this old. status a>> and that he has lostl of the forces that he unleashed. joining me now is miles taylor,

former trump administration dhs chief of staff and cofounder and senior adviser of ford, always good to see, you miles, that's get into this year. because considering trump's power to shape the republican party and his image over the past seven or so years, how surprised were you that a number of far-right insurgents initially defied his endorsement of kevin mccarthy, as someone who worked with trump in the white house, could you see this coming? >> yeah, look, i am not going to claim to be nostradamus today. but i think this was the very predictable result of trumpism. i have always said that the movement was eventually going to grow beyond his control, but that it was still going to show the dominance of his ideology over the republican party. so, two years ago, i predicted that one maga republicans would take back the house, to that the speakers vote would go to multiple ballots for the first time in a century and three, that at the end of the day

regardless of who won, donald trump's hand would be on the speakers gavel. so yes, while doing the machinations even some of his own mock of people resisted him, make no mistake. who to kevin mccarthy think after he won the speakers gavel? he spanked donald trump for it. so it is not a stretch to say that donald trump is the speaker of the house of representatives. i really think that is the case, and it will remain the case, because this maga movement has been dominant. and alex, you and i have heard for years about republicans in my forte of party say, no, no we are the ones in charge. that is not what america saw the last few days. they saw the most extreme members of the party completely in charge, and kevin mccarthy had to bow to them. >> you sound kind of nostradamus like to me, you make those three points and they all came true. that said, it was kind of weird twist where it seemed like trump's endorsement didn't mean anything at all early in the voting for speaker. his heart didn't seem to be in the fight for mccarthy, and then he reportedly spoke with gates, and boebert after the

14th ballot, which may, miles, have plain ahold with the continuing for another round. do you think he was the reason that the foes changed? why did take until the 11th, almost the 12 hour really, for the insurgents to come around. >> well, i don't actually think the insurgents came around. i think that kevin mccarthy gave up the entire farm, and trump as a person, i do think is waning from the picture. trump-ism as a movement is alive and it is well and the speaker vote shows that it is in complete command of the republican party, in fact, i think this episode should cause observers to rethink their view of the midterm elections, a lot of people felt like the midterms were a bad election for extremists. that is not the case. when you go look at the numbers, about 50% of the far right --

actually one -- they had a coin flip chance of winning the races and we're seeing how that manifested itself because that extreme wing of the party was able to dominated and that is one more reason why we need more competition and choice in the political system, whether it is third party, whether it is meant to moxie reform because those four right wings like the maga movement, will dominate one of america's two major political parties >> and with mccarthy essentially set up as the house speaker that is weak, should we expect a new leader to emerge in the future? >> look, i think kevin is going have a very, very hard time holding on to that seat. he has shown him see self willing to do whatever it takes and again, that is probably going to mean further empowering the maga members of the house of representatives to keep that role. but i think the fertile soil is there for the next trump, for a savvy, or successor to emerge. and clearly, kevin mccarthy has

shown that they have to pay homage to trumpism to stay atop the party. so i think that is really the worry for democracy in the coming years, is who is going to take that mantle, and we know what their priority will be, it will be revenge. and that is the priority of the incoming republican congress, and that is not me saying, it that is what they have laid out in this rules package. they are going to form a weaponization committee to form how government is being -- they want to tear down investigative agencies, and they want to revisit what the january six committee will do. so that is the operative word, and that will be the driving force behind the next trump. >> one word reaction, yikes. miles taylor, so much. >> president biden on the road and going to the border in el paso, that's what will be next. at's what will be next at's what will be next eight-time all-star to tell you about it. wait what? get it before it's gone on the subway app!

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