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in secret, to get a vote or a vote president i do not support that. that is just what nancy pelosi does. >> at the end of the day you cannot let the insurgency caucus take hold and dictate. it is going to be ugly. >> near reaction to president biden's trip to the u.s. mexico border, in fact, he is making his way there as we speak. also new this hour, criticisms on both sides in the way that both parties have responded to the border crisis. but have seen record numbers of migrants crossing into the u.s.. >> we cannot have the rights and needs of individuals who are seeking humanitarian relief in the united states exploited for political purposes. we cannot have unilateral governor action that is not coordinated with the federal government to address an issue that is of national importance. >> don't tell us it's the republicans fall, for goodness sake. we are certainly willing to work to do the policies that law should give us a border, the ones that we had under president trump.

>> we now have a panel of reporters, analysts, and elected officials joining us to go over today's major developments. we begin with dave gutierrez and el paso, texas. gabe, last hour when we checked, and we watched migrants being taken into police custody. what are you seeing there now? >> hi there, alex. good afternoon. well, there are still many migrants here, as you can see. the arrests, at least for now, have stopped. to give you some perspective of where we are, in case you missed it this last hour, we are here in sacred heart church in el paso. this is a place where, last week, federal officials -- officers came and took several migrants into custody. this morning it was el paso city police that arrested six migrants, we are told. at least some of them were from venezuela. it is unclear exactly why they were erected. when i spoke to one of them live on the air he said that he was counting money. he was picked up, he denied

doing anything wrong. el paso city police a few minutes ago to tell us that their arrest were from a violation of criminal law, although they didn't get into details on why that was. migrant advocates have said the since this has been in such close proximity to a church, they don't like to see this. the memo according to a colleague, judy ainsley, back in 21. dhs secretary says migrants should not be arrested near places of warship, or near court houses. in this case it is happening. it is happening in the context of a presidential visit. president biden set to touch down in el paso in just a short time. alex, the biden administration says that the number of unauthorized border crossings has dropped significantly from mid december. it is not about 7% according to the biden administration. last week, of course president biden announced a series of changes to policy meant to

discourage migrants from coming here. alex, i want to introduce you to a person who i spoke to a little earlier today. her name is natalie, she is 25 years old. she says she is from venezuela. i wanna ask her about what she came here. [speaking non-english] >> she says she has been her two days. she says that she slept here overnight. the temperatures overnight were in the 30s. it was a difficult night for her and her husband to stay here. new [speaking non-english] why did you come to the united states? >> [speaking non-english] she says she came here, alex, because there's better opportunities. [speaking non-english] i asked her if there was violence in venezuela. she says, quite a bit. [speaking non-english] >> she says that she is actually here, right now, because she is waiting to hear from president biden.

wanting to hear what his response will be. [speaking non-english] what is your message for president biden? >> [speaking non-english] she is saying she is not a delinquent. she is an immigrant like anyone else. [speaking non-english] why did you decide to come to the united states right now? >> [speaking non-english] >> i asked her if she had other family members in the united states. she says she is the first of namely become. here earlier when i talk to her. [speaking non-english] >> earlier she had told me,

alex, if you recall several months ago there was a parole system that was announced for venezuelan migrants, specifically. they would have to apply to the probe retain. owes it was a limited parole. some venezuelan migrants might come here to apply through the proper channels. she said that she had heard that. earlier when i spoke to her and her husband, it seemed to have been communicated to them, or they heard it has, it can just come. there was some sort of amnesty. that certainly is incorrect. but it is illustrative, alex, how difficult the messaging. is to talk to some of these migrants in their home countries. you are fed information by friends and family. social media or by smugglers who may give them and mistaken impression of how easy it is to get into the united states. she also said that when she got to mexico, she heard the borders are being closed down.

obviously she made the decision to still come here anyway i will ask her, finally, what she hopes for the future. where do you think you will go next? [speaking non-english] >> alex, natalie, again, 25 years old, from when israel. she told me she hopes to get to california. she echoed something that several migrants i've spoken to have told me. she actually would like president biden to come here. come to the shelter and see what it is really like on the ground. of course her and other

migrants expect some sort of -- the immigration system in the u.s.. their dream is to hear something where they would be allowed to stay. we all know, alex, that it is not that easy. it is extremely complicated. without a proper asylum claim, there are many questions about whether she will be allowed to stay. her hope is to somehow get to california. she wants to work. here that is something we've been hearing from many migrants. it is a complex issue. the president is set to tour not this church, he's expected to go to port of entry not far from here as well as a migrant processing facility. that comes under two years of his administration facing constant criticism from republicans that they have not taken this issue in, they're a view, seriously enough he is visiting el paso for the first time. you can see quite a large number of migrants here outside of the church. although this area had been -- there had been several arrests

conducted here. critics of the biden administration were trying to say that perhaps federal officials are trying to sanitize the situation here as you can see even though there were a few more arrests this morning there are still quite a number of migrants here waiting for the future not knowing what the future will hold for them essentially waiting in limbo alex. >> it is an extraordinary situation that you present to us their game. beautifully done. my hats off to you for your extraordinary ability for your ability, in a bilingual way, to have that conversation and so much first-person information brought to us. thank you that my friend joining me now someone else appreciate democrat -- chair of the congressional progressive caucus. jim milligan pile. watching that broadcast tell me what is going through your mind as you see the pictures again brings to us and also hear the

conversation of that 25 year old from venezuela who clearly was said misinformation as to what could happen to her when she came to the united states. >> alex, it is always good to see you. look by this heartbreaking it is heartbreaking to see pictures, to know all of the stories i have spent a lot of time at the border. both on the u.s. side in the mexico side. you know i worked on immigration for 20 years before coming to congress it's really the why i came to congress. we have so clearly been failing immigrants around the world. i'm an immigrant. i came here when i was 16 years old it took me 17 years to become a u.s. citizen what we need to do in this country's reform the immigration system because of people like natalie there are so many people around the world who are looking for

opportunity kind they want a pathway to be able to get there that means we need to have a functioning legal system. there are people i've met along the border along the mexico side and the united states who are fleeing violent war persecution those are asylum seekers we have an obligation to asylum speakers by international human rights treaties that we are signatories to. to allow the process to continue people who want to come here to work. by the way we used the labor of immigrants in the united states. we want more to come here. we don't have any kind of system that allows people to actually seek entry into the united states that is i put it very squarely on the shoulders of republicans the republican speaker john maynard after the senate bipartisan vote in the senate for comprehensive immigration reform they would've had some things that maybe weren't as light but they

would've had major things passed in 2013 in the senate john maynard refused to bring it up in the house. why, alex? because republicans want to leave the immigration system broken. they want to continue to use immigrants as political footballs. they want to be able to villainized emigrants who are just trying to come here for a better life which is part and parcel of the identity of the united states and our values. at the end of the day this has never really been about immigration policy it has always been about who we are as a country. and what we are willing to stand up. two >> i am so glad we gave you the time. as an immigrant yourself someone who were 20 years to try to better the immigration situation. a respected lawmaker continuing with that role. thank you for continuing -- i'm gonna go to capitol hill right now and we will talk to you on the other side. tomorrow the house rules will be coming up for a vote. let's go to nbc's julie tsirkin

who is joining us right now. you think we are in from fireworks for moderate republicans? >> definitely, alex. it is not just the moderates. as a part of these concessions that mccarthy made they are going to lose potential funding for defense which senate republicans -- mcconnell touting that in his last on the package that they passed. that is going to have potential implications on that. when i play these two bites from two different lawmakers you're going to hear from one of them, tony gonzales. a naval veteran. he was an officer in the navy. he actually represents el paso. a republican. and nancy gave, a moderate from south carolina who wants protection for abortion even though she is pro-life. keep that in mind. they are different, they are both considering voting against this rules package. watch. >> the speaker vote is the easiest vote we will take in congress. republicans are much different than democrats. we are not gonna lineup and jump off the cliff.

i'm gonna vote against. it there's a difference between voting against it and whipping out the members to vote against it. >> i am saying there is a small handful of individuals in that 20 who are trying to cut deals in secret -- >> today to succeed in doing that? >> without letting us know about them. we are not sure. we don't know at this point. that give me pause. it gives me significant heartburn on what direction we are going to take. >> it gets her heart burn, it gives her pause. the concession we are talking about, we are told, is actually a three page document that gop republican leaders are not circulating publicly. they are concessions that were cut with those 20 or so individuals who refused to get to a yes on mccarthy. in the end, of course, he did get the speakers gavel, but at what cost? we heard from these moderates. from not even moderates but republicans who are concerned about the direction this is going in. who think mccarthy could potentially be a weekend leader

in these next couple of years. this rules package is really consequential. as you heard, she likes the content of it. she likes the transformations that they were able to make. these backroom concessions that are not publicly available in this rules package, the packet that was released, they don't know what is in there. they don't know how much they are going to have to sell in order to get to yes on this rules package tomorrow. a lot to watch for here, alex. >> buckle up, that's for sure! thank you so much, julie tsirkin on capitol hill. -- are you gonna be buckling up for tomorrow? what do you expect when the house rules package? >> we have been buckling up for these past two years. you saw the chaos on the house floor. 15 votes to get a speaker of the house. in the process kevin mccarthy i believe has given away any ability to actually govern. while the chaos was limited to the house floor over the past week, alex, i can assure you

that when it comes to funding the government, funding the debt ceiling, even some things in this rule package -- this rule package allows for the republicans to start their attempt to criminalize abortion across the country. it allows for bills to come to the floor that would severely limit reproductive health for women, families across this country, without even a markup or a hearing. -- >> wait, can i interrupt? are the republicans aware that the majority of americans don't want that to happen? >> well, you would certainly sing so. particularly after the supreme court in south carolina just rule to protect the constitutional right to abortion even in a state like south carolina. they don't care. this is the thing, they have turned over control of the party to these insurrectionists maga extremists republicans. they want to create a select committee to essentially defund

the fbi and protect insurrectionists. by the way, the chair of that committee, jim jordan, it's someone who did not sick comply himself with a bipartisan -- >> neither did kevin mccarthy, by the way! >> that's right. we just have to be very clear about what this republican party is about and what this rules package is about. listen, i think the so-called moderate republicans. i don't know that i would call the moderate because a supporter given mccarthy but these folks who are worried about what concessions that have been given that aren't even listed in the rules package are absolutely right to worry about that how do you think matt gates came to vote how do you think that lauren came to vote? i think they absolutely should be demanding a real transparent look on what those commitments were. whether or not they want to essentially cede control of their party to matt gates, or donald trump for that mirror.

>> you have mentioned some serious issues. let's take a look at the basics. the funding of the government. raising the debt ceiling. is there any realistic process of the united states defaulting? >> this is the thing that really concerns me. i read that one of the things that chip roy was able to get was a refusal to do a clean debt ceiling. just for your viewers, alex, i think it's important to say -- we say debt ceiling like everyone knows what it is. basically what it is, we have bought all of these things as the united states government. this is about paying the bills for the things that we have already bought. it is not about what we buy in the future. it is really about paying our bills. if we defaulted on that -- it has an impact. this is a really big issue. i think it is going to make it really difficult for kevin mccarthy to understand he is operating in a bipartisan

system. democrats in control of the senate, we have a democratic president. this has never been a partisan issue. obviously these extreme maga republicans are going to make it a partisan issue. >> i am really glad you put out the explanation of the debt ceiling in such an understandable, easy -- >> we have to pay or bills like anybody else. stuff we've already bought. brilliant, congresswoman jayapal always good to talk to you my friend. thank you very much. meantime, a college town tries to get back to normal after learning some chilling new information about for student murders. we will have the latest from idaho next. i'm excited about pronamel repair because it penetrates deep into the tooth to help actively repair acid-weakened enamel. i recommend pronamel repair to my patients. [sfx: stomach gurgling] it's nothing... sounds like something. ♪ when you have nausea, heartburn, indigestion, ♪ ♪ upset stomach, diarrhea. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes for fast relief...

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idaho. >> as students return to campus, a sense of relief. >> i feel better, sort of, knowing they have the suspect in custody. >> for weeks after the death of four young college friends, many in moscow were afraid the killer could be among them. it turned out the accused killer, brian coalburg or lived less than ten miles away on campus at washington state university where he was pursuing a doctoral debris in criminology. what >> do you think of his fascination with crime he was a ph.d. student in criminology and a lot have been made in that. i think that was really a red herring. if he was really that interested he would've been looking at ways to evade law enforcement. >> on friday crew through several boxes and mattresses from the crime scene. this week, the world got to see, in custody, the man accused of the brutal murders. as questions swirl over the case that has captivated the small town. >> the most shocking thing, for me, would be the other roommate

was very lucky, i think. i am extremely happy that they were not injured. >> according to the affidavit, one of the two surviving roommates who were not attacked open her bedroom door three times that night after hearing one of the victims say, there's someone here. the roommate telling police a figure in black clothing in a mask with bushy eyebrows walk past her in towards the back door as she stood in frozen shock. nearly eight hours later, police discovered the bodies. >> i think a lot of people are wondering, like, how? how he planned it out? how it all came together and why? >> as the town starts the healing process as students return to campus, they will never forget these four young friends. kayleigh, maddie, ethan, and santa. >> absolutely chilling. that was nbc news reporting from ida. how by the way, kohberger has been appointed in the public defender. he is back in court thursday, he's expected to plea not

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border since becoming president. this morning, homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas addressed the new plan to limit the number of border crossings. >> we here in the united states are promising our actions on the following. we want individuals who qualify for relief under our laws to come to the united states in a safe and orderly way. that is why we are building lawful pathways. >> joining me now victoria defrancesco -- dean of the, also an msnbc contributor. hello, my friend. let's take a look at the last couple of years. where republicans have been pressuring the president to visit the southern border. he is now on his way to el paso. which, itself, has been an epicenter of sorts of all the struggles. those dealing with the influx of migrants. the question to you, why now? how big a a is a political minefield is this visit?

particularly, as we are watching early in the last hour, scenes of migrant arrests at the border. >> alex, the entire issue of immigration has become a minefield. that is the reason president biden is going to the border. at first sight it may seem like a political liability. i think it is tremendously important. and sets the administration on the right path. to begin with, you need to go and see the human face of immigration. because of covid, because the border was shut down, because of title 42, we were talking about numbers, images, we really did not see, tangibly, what this was. for most of us, in the united states who do not live along the border. i think for president biden to go down there and see, firsthand, that will allow him to see and feel what folks -- what those who do have firsthand knowledge of the

border have seen. i think that is a very important first death. it then opens the door to really start making progress on immigration. >> it has been suggested the president had not go to this particular location. whether he will see scenes exactly like this. maybe he doesn't see it firsthand. we know the white house is watching these kinds of medias playing out all the time. they will bring this to his attention. he does arrive with a new plan to offer paroled entry, if you will, for up to 30,000 people, every month. those from cuba, nicaragua, haiti, venezuela. if they go through official channels -- applying online. find a financial sponsor, as well. of course, this also means that others don't follow the rules. those who don't will be expelled to mexico if they enter the u.s. illegally. talk about why this is such a politically thorny decision. >> because, you are choosing one group of folks over another. >> humans! >> exactly. exactly! while folks from venezuela,

nicaragua, haiti -- we know the political situation in their countries of origin are particularly dire, we know that other folks from across the globe also face very dire situations. i think that for those three groups, this is fantastic news. i'm so happy to see this policy. what about those others from all over the globe? those who are also fleeing persecution and are being left out? i think that is a very thorny issue -- our asylum laws when they were first created first postwar were two and really codified in the 19 80s, viewed asylum as not specific to one group. even though we have seen specific attention given to groups of folks. this is going to be something that president biden is going to be taken to task on. it is only three groups. what about the general view of humanitarian migration policy? >> look, the president is expected to call on congress to enact legislation.

overall the immigration system. republicans arguing the democrats had their chance for reform. in fact let's take a listen to republican congressman, jim jordan, from this morning. >> for two years they have the house, the senate, they had the white house. why in the world did they get an immigration solution? joe biden refused to visit the border when they controlled all of government. you want to talk about any kind of solution now they have a situation where they no longer have a border. -- he did it from day one, they undid the good policies president trump had in place. >> look, he is expected to land the top spot at the judiciary committee who will lead the charge on immigration. does he have a point? we'll reverting to trump era policy ever be the way forward? >> look, first say jordan does make a good voice. he had congress, the white house, we also know that how slim those margins were. within the senate, things did not move on majority alone, most times. i think that is very important.

highlighting that foot now. in terms of, how do you move forward, alex? let me just point out that, 15 or 20 years ago -- immigration was a bipartisan issue. you had folks like george bush, his brother jeb bush, we realize that migration is an issue that affects us, not just in terms of folks coming over to join our workforce but also trade i think it is so frustrating that republicans have just blocked off anyway to work with democrats on migration even though migration is, in theory, a bipartisan issue. >> yeah, it sure is. we will have you talk about this again, no doubt, it is not going away anytime soon -- coming up next, let's talk about the network, where did all of that animosity come from? could modern republicans have done more? hair. as well as the leading luxury bonding treatment. for softness and resilience, without the price tag.

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days-long catfight in congress before government garvey won enough gop votes to become how speaker. well, today's headlines tell the story of an arm twisting flaring tempers, and last-minute calls from trump. but as we have been reporting, the fireworks may be far from over. joining me now, hayes, brown editor at msnbc daily. ted miller, former communications director for jeb bush 2016, now writer at large, and host of the not my party podcast. msnbc political analyst, and

lisa rubin, msnbc legal analyst, welcome all. hayes, we are going to go first for you. at least two republicans above 80, said they are going to vote against the rules tomorrow. what are the odds we are going to see a broad break out over mccarthy's giveaways? >> i mean, i am not surprised by this. this is what we are going -- we have in store for the next two years. this is what was always going to be the case. when you have a republican house with only, you can only lose four votes to have anything pass, and the people who are on the far right of matt gates's of the world, they know this. they know the leverage they have. they know they can show, it they know they can hold up but really anything they want. and mccarthy, so far, has proven completely willing to give up whatever power he needs to, to these incendiary's, to make sure that he became speaker. and now, the rules package that has been agreed to previously, we are going to see just how

many changes are going to have to go into it now, that it's going to have to be voted on before anyone can sign it on board. and i don't know. luckily, it's not going to need to be the case, like it was for the speaker vote, where we had to have a majority of everyone who has voted. this rules package can pass. it's just going to be really interesting to see what else might do need to be given up, before it actually does. >> ted, let's listen together to what texas congressman chip said about the clips we've seen so far. >> some of the tensions you saw on display, we saw some of the interactions there between mike rogers and matt gates, some of that is -- we need a little bit of that. we need a little of this breaking the glass, in order to get us to the table, in order to fight for the american people, and to change the way this place is dysfunctional. >> what are you hearing from a lot of republicans? how did they feel about this breaking up the glass? >> yeah. so the problem is that trip roy

is one of the rare members of that, you know, 20 that opposed kevin mccarthy that actually has specific policy things that he wants changed. a lot of the other ones are just performative, nihilists, and just wanted to get on tv. wanted to do small dollar fundraising. they're not interested in negotiating to get policies done. and so i think that is where chips, you know, kind of, argument breaks down. is the folks that he is fighting with are not on the same page is him. the question on the moderate republicans, on the other side, is, are there enough of them in the matter? you need five members of the republican caucus to stop basically anything. there are plenty of far-right magazines who might want to stop something going forward, they're already threatening that about the debt limit, for example, over the summer. are there five moderate republicans willing to stop anything? i don't think. so there were ten who voted to impeach trump, eight of them are gone, now so that leads to.

there is a couple that made big noise, tony gonzalez out of texas said he would impose the rules package for example. but fitzpatrick, was one of the other ones in pennsylvania, he said he wouldn't. i guess the moderates have been -- purged from this conference, i don't think they have enough strength to stop something like the rules package, i think that most of the trouble mccarthy is going to get in is on the maga anarchist wing. you, know matt gates, not on the moderate side. >> yeah, okay, lisa, i'm gonna dive deep with you here. because you have had a chance to look at the laundry list of giveaways. what do you make of this idea to send january six committee documents to the house administration committee? what do you expect to come from that? >> well, look, alex, the documents of the house have to be preserved in any event. and it's always the case that even if they're sent to the national archives they can always be recalled by members of the house they have a legal right to look at them. i'm less concerned with where they're going now, which is the

administration committee, and more importantly, what they are going to do with them. because, kevin mccarthy sent a letter, to thompson and cheney, for the end of the year. not only wanting to preserve all the records but suggesting that he found the report, quote unquote, terry picked from the evidence. and that suggests that the republicans want to publicly air more of the transcripts than we have already seen. more of the testimony that we have seen. and that alarm thompson and trainee for security reasons. they sent a letter than, to the white house, and to the department of homeland security. saying, look, you had people who came to us, and offered confidential testimony, because they expected that they would protect their identity, and protect them against retaliation. and now, we are sending those transcripts back to you. you should review them before sending them to the national archives. that is a signal that thompson and cheney and the other members of the january 6th committee, want those

transcripts to stay, perhaps, indefinitely and review. so that members of the house of administration committee, and others, can't get their hands on them. and more importantly, can't distribute to the american public the names of witnesses that cooperated stories like, cassidy hutchinson's and others. the republicans would very much like to fight against. they are trying to avoid a situation where some people who work in the white house or in the career staff become the next freeman and shame us, and as we saw this week, trump is not above renaming those people, shaming those people, and putting them in danger, alex. >> this plan, lisa, delaware the threshold for a motion to vacate the chair, is this designed to prevent mccarthy from reaching across the aisle to work with democrats the way that john boehner did a decade ago? >> i think it is designed to keep the house and perpetual state of chaos. tim noted before, the performative nihilism of some of the never kevins. i think that's perfect as a description because what

they're going to do is essentially keep the house in session all of the time. last there be one of those motions to vacate by a single member. that's a dangerous place for the house to be. and as dangerous for democrats as it is for republicans. >> so tim, why did the standoff, in such a small group of gop members why does it feels so much like a telltale lagging dog? why did the majority not come together before and vote for hakeem jeffries, for example, to keep the extreme numbers at bay? >> we because it is the tail wagging dog. it's a maga caucus. marjorie taylor greene, to be honest, is really has as much power as kevin mccarthy when it comes to the speakership right now. if kevin didn't have marjorie taylor greene on his side he might not have ever gotten to to 18. power within the republican conference right now is with the maga gate, boebert, marjorie taylor greene's of the world. part of the reason for this is that they don't have that big

of a majority. back when john boehner was working with democrats, he had a much larger majority. so he had much more room to work with. kevin only has a five seat majority. that's part of. it another part of it is as i said a lot of the moderates are gone. the types of people, people calling this network, willing to work with democrats, they've been primaried. they've been pushed, out they've been parched. so this is just a very small, there is not this mythical chamber of commerce establishment willing to work with them anymore. most of those people have been pushed out, in the trump years, and so it really is the maga tale that is in charge of this conference. that's how it's going to be for the next two years. if kevin gets crossways with them. they're going to throw them out and replace them with jim jordan, or however will be willing to go along with them. >> yeah. hamlin apologized to you free -- his because i have to wrap this conversation, but you are a favorite, and i will have you back very soon. thank you tim, thank you lisa, we will see you again. coming up, next a nod to someone behind the scenes who

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