tv The Mehdi Hasan Show MSNBC January 8, 2023 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
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>> that's it for this hour, folks. -- keeping the chair warm for alicia menendez, who will be back with you next weekend. a reminder, you can catch my show simone each saturday and sunday at 4 pm eastern right here on msnbc. right now, i handed over to many has on. t >> i saw your tweet about how in brazil they seem to have been able to round up the rioters, disappear out into the country -- novel idea. >> what a novel idea. you take insurrectionists as they are interacting and you arrest them, you put them in cuffs. i wonder why we didn't do that on january 6th. still one of my many unanswered questions about 16. simone, have a great rest of your night. happy new year. >> happy new year, thanks mehdi. >> and that breaking news tonight as president biden travels to new mexico city following his visit to the u.s. mexico border, his first as
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president, a terrifying and very familiar scene out of brazil. supporters of former brazilian president jair bolsonaro who attacked the countries congress over the result of their presidential election, they've been climbing on top of its roof, breaking the glass and a windows and crowds of demonstrators also gathered outside at the supreme court and the presidential palace. where is bolsonaro right now? he is thousands of miles away soaking it up in orlando, florida. he has yet to comment on these riots back home. let's bring in ap result news director david miller. david, the images we've seen today, they look a lot like january the 6th 2021 here in d.c.. what went on there today? what is the latest? >> they look a lot like january 6th. we've been warning that this, or something like this, it could happen for a long time, jair bolsonaro sowed doubts about the election results for a long period, the voting
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system was susceptible to fraud and many of supporters came to believe this despite the fact that others authorities said this wasn't true. international organizations and groups said it wasn't true. still, they are rejecting results and they write in today they restored the supreme court, congress, and the presidential palace. they were smashing the windows, they were destroying furniture, ransacking offices. it's really a scene of destruction in the capital, thousands of people. >> i wonder if they had the gallows as well. question for you, is it all over? we've seen some images of people being arrested. is the violence -- have these people been taken into custody? >> it's over for tonight. not all of them have been taken into custody, a lot of them have. it's unclear how many. 200 by the count of the justice minister. although the governor of the federal district has said 400. still unclear. there were thousands of people.
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the justice minister held a press conference and then authorities said the intention of this act was apparently to spark uprisings in other places throughout brazil. they are supposedly taking action to prevent that from happening, stopping buses from moving from one place to the other. the authorities are trying to not just hold the people who were writing accountable. they are also trying to figure out who was paying for the buses to bring these people to the capitol and get to those folks. >> on that note, quick last question, here in the u.s. we saw trump and co-inside the violence on january the 6th. is there any evidence so far that bolsonaro and the people in his party incited this riot? >> and that is what lula said, bolsonaro stimulated, encouraged this sort of action. obviously, people camped outside the military buildings for months since bolsonaro lost
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the election have been waiting for a cues from the president, have been interpreting his posts to social media as enigmatic signs that they should do this or that. bolsonaro, he did just come on to social media and deny those accusations. he also said peaceful protest is -- to democracy. something like this is an exception to the rule. not quite full disavow but not an endorsement either. >> says the authoritarian hiding out in florida. david biller, thank you so much for your reporting. do stay safe. >> we will giving you further updates on brazil later on in the show. back in january 1980, american tennis player -- on a 16 game losing streak against rival jimmy connors surprised at the tennis world when he defeated him in the semifinal of the year and masters. that's when he produced this immortal line. let there be a lesson to you all, he said. nobody beats --
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17 times in a row! thanks to political reported -- for reminding me on twitter that legendary quote. in the very early hours of saturday morning, republican kevin mccarthy became speaker of the house after 14 consecutive losses over the previous four days. let that be a lesson to us all. nobody beats kevin 15 times in a row. we can laugh about the humiliating and ridiculous and prolonged way in which a desperate and weekend mccarthy secured the speakership. it's all been fun and games for the past few days, watching the clown show on the floor of the house. tonight, on the show, i want to talk about what we should be worried as a result of what we've seen over the past few days in congress. and what happened in the early hours of saturday morning. we've learned a lot this week. we have learned that kevin mccarthy will take -- pay any price for power, to the point where he has agreed for a sole member of the house gop caucus to trigger a vote to remove him.
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good luck holding out, kevin. we've learned republicans are willing to not just incite violence to get congress but get violent themselves on the floor of congress. look at you, mike rogers. we've learned that marjorie taylor greene, who backed mccarthy when others on the far, far right wing of the party wouldn't, is probably the real speaker of the house, or at least the real power center in the house gop caucus. she got donald trump on the phone to whip votes, he saved his duty in her contacts. we didn't get that selfie the first time. can we try to get? cheese. there it is. much better shot. there they are, good friends. we've learned freshman gop congressman george santos, who fabricated much of his resume, much of his life story, doesn't even respond to his own name. >> sanchez? >> jeffries. >> jeffries. >> santos? santos?
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>> mccarthy. >> mueller? buhler? to be, far i would probably be -- if that was likely my first conversation with another human all week. we've learned the democrats are for once the once in a ray. totally united behind their new leader of the house, hakeem jeffries. [applause] >> hakeem! hakeem! hakeem! >> every member of the house democratic caucus voted for jeffries and every single round of the speaker race. that's what party unity looks like. here's where things get scary. here is something else we learned. extremists in the gop, not just holding their leader hostage, not just holding the house of representatives hostage, they are about to hold in the entire global economy hostage. because it won't be a laughing matter later this year when it
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comes time to raise the debt ceiling and gaetz, boebert, and company decide to play game of chicken. not to take the united states to the edge of default, but to take the u.s. over the cliff for the first time in our history. to default on our debt. look, a gop induced debt default has the potential to make 2008 financial crisis looked like a walk in the park. and the white house council of economic advisers pointed out last year, this is what they pointed out, they said a default would send shock waves through global financial markets and likely cause credit markets worldwide to freeze up and stock markets to plunge. employers around the world would likely have to begin laying off workers. a financial crisis driven by a default, they said, has the potential to be even worse than the 2008 crash, in addition to hitting a global economy not fully recovered from the pandemic. also last, year the chief economist at -- warned a default could lead to 6 million job losses and at the
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wiping out of up to 15 trillion dollars in household wealth. so, how did kevin mccarthy get the speakership? by promising his rebels, promising people like pro coup far-right congressman scott perry and that he would only agree to a debt ceiling increase later this year in return for massive spending cuts. essentially, the getting of social security and medicaid. that was what we learned republicans agreed on this week. >> is it possible that someone -- might be good for the american people? >> when they talk about process, and that is a smokescreen. and they are going to use in the debt ceiling as leverage to take american seniors hostage. >> if the entire u.s. economy and you along with them. it's a lose lose, one crisis or another. it's destroy the global economy or destroy the u.s. welfare state. if that's what we have learned this week.
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not just that this republican party in the house has no interest in governing, but that it is willfully, knowingly, recklessly setting our country, and perhaps the world as well, on a path towards an economic and social catastrophe. but, hey, congratulations on the new gig, kevin. for more on all of this weeks antics in the house and what's coming down the line, let's turn now to two people who used to sit in the house chamber, one of them is recently retired new york congressman, new york democrat, mondaire jones, who lost his primary after being forced out of his own district, also with us is joe walsh, former republican congressman from illinois, now hosting the white flag joe walsh podcast. he is no longer affiliated with the gop. and i don't blame him. happy new year to you both. joe, let me begin with you. we just heard from democratic minority with kathryn clark about the debt ceiling, about using the debt ceiling as leverage. we had right wing congressman chip roy of the republicans who
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played a big role in negotiating a deal with kevin mccarthy. he was on cnn this morning. he basically suggested he wouldn't allow default on the debt to get big spending cuts. you know these people. you knew sat with many of them in the house. are they going to do it? are they going to take the u.s. economy over a cliff later this year? so far, they have proved to be pretty adept hostage takers. >> possibly, many. possibly. look, you know that as tea party members flirted with this idea, shutting down the government, holding -- increasing the debt limit. back in 2010 to 2013. you can't do it. look, washington spends too much money. we do spend too much money. social security and medicare, there is a debate to be had about reforming those two programs. but you can't tie cuts to those two entitlement programs to raising the debt ceiling. many, here is what is scary. we spent all week talking about
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these 20 so-called extremists in the republican party. let me tell you something. it's a hell of a lot bigger than 20. marjorie taylor greene, jim jordan, who supported kevin mccarthy, they will be right there with matt gaetz and scott barry and lauren boebert on every one of these other issues. this is the entire house party now. >> later in the show, i will be talking about how a lot of the media got it wrong in terms of its coverage of moderates, less extremists. you are right, joe. mondaire, the democrats and biden administration had a chance to stop by -- when they had a majority in the house. obviously, they could not get sinema on board. listen to what the president was saying about that back in october. >> the debt ceiling? do you support the permanent repeal of the debt ceiling? >> the permanent repeal of the debt ceiling. what do you mean? we say we have no debt limit? no. that would be irresponsible. >> that's irresponsible,
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mondaire? not allowing a bunch of crazies in the house of representatives to drive the u.s. economy and global economy off a cliff? i wouldn't argue allowing republicans to play games with this artificial, many would argue, unconstitutional debt limit, that is what is irresponsible. >> i think that's right. and the president sometimes i think yearns for a different era in american politics, one in which people can be trusted on both sides of the aisle to raise the debt limit at the appropriate time. of course, we would not be in this situation if we taxed the very wealthy members of our society at the rate that they ought to be taxed. we wouldn't have to deal with this crisis every year. i'm really fearful, given republicans couldn't handle the first order of business, that they couldn't resolve the question of who was going to lead the house to now than expect them to do something responsible, like raise the
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debt ceiling or pass other legislation. god forbid we have to mobilize as a congress in response to some car crisis in ukraine. this is really difficult moving forward. americans ought to be very wary. >> yes indeed. he know who's not worried? republican party. they are busy fighting each other. joe, as you pointed out, it's not just the 20 who began this revolt against mccarthy. it was mike rogers, one of mccarthy's own supporters, a committee, a top committee member in the republican body, we got the images, who will most got violent with matt gaetz, of all people. this is what the republican party is reduced to now, gop on gop violence. >> mehdi, the frustrating thing all week was this. i don't mean to give you a boring take but i said at the beginning of the week it really doesn't matter which republican becomes speaker. kevin mccarthy or steve scalise, it doesn't matter. this is a radicalized republican house.
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they want to investigate hunter biden's laptop. they want to go after the so-called deep state. they want dr. fauci in jail. we are not even talking about what they might contemplate for the economy. it's not 20 extremists. the extremists maga philosophy has really taken over the entire republican house. >> i always enjoyed chatting with you, joey. began saying the interview -- that we spend too much money and here i am nodding along with you later in the interview. monday, or early saturday morning, for most on the internet or on cable watching for the first time the new democratic leader of the house, probably the first time a lot of americans saw hakeem jeffries. the reviews have been pretty positive. have a listen to some of his speech. >> we are white, we are black, we are latino, we are asian, we are native american, we are christian, we are jewish, we are muslim, we are hindu, we
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are religious, we are secular, we are gay, we are straight, we are young, we are older, we are women, we are men, we are citizens, we are dreamers, out of many, we are one. that's what makes america a great country. [applause] no matter what kind of haters are trying to divide us, we are not going to let anyone take that away from us. not now, not ever. >> monday, or powerful rhetoric from hakim. he got years from his caucus. he got all 212 votes every round. this is a man who, and you are a progressive, i know, who was not beloved by the progressive wing of the party. how long do you think he can keep the democrats in the house together? is this a honeymoon period? >> i think hakeem's job is going to be much easier than it would be as speaker because, when you are in the minority in this party, this republican party is in the majority, we
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contrast could not be more stark. it could not be easier to draw that contrast. in fact, we saw all democrats had to do last week -- reaffirmed its incompetence for the entire world to see, was just stand up and say the name jeffries unanimously and nominate him again and again and again on consecutive ballots. if we see that kind of message discipline from democrats, i think there is not going to be the kind of tension that you might expect between hakeem jeffries and some of the more left leaning members of congress. >> time will tell on that prediction. last question before i let you go, joe. 30 seconds left. would you agree -- your former colleagues are partly to blame for what we are seeing in brazil today? >> oh, completely. here's the deal, many, in 30 seconds or less. we are the world's oldest democracy. the rest of the world watches us. the rest of the world watched us on january 6th and clearly
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brazil watched us on january 6th. >> bolsonaro -- republican led florida. just a complete coincidence. mondaire jones and joe walsh, thank you both for your time. appreciate it. coming up next, joe biden's trip to the u.s. mexico border where he's been meeting local leaders and activists. plus more on that breaking news out of brazil. thousands of bolsonaro supporters spawning the country's congress and government buildings today. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts. one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn. why are 93% of sleep number sleepers satisfied with their bed? maybe it's because you can adjust your comfort and firmness on either side. blocking heartburn before it starts. your sleep number setting. to help relieve pressure points and keep you both comfortable all night. - [announcer] this is jabra enhance select. the queen sleep number 360 c2 smart bed is only $899 - save $200. ends monday
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melting down in congress this week, president biden has been turning his focus to immigration. the president is currently on route to mexico city after visiting el paso, texas earlier today. it's his first trip to the southern border as president. this comes after the administration announced new restrictions on asylum seekers amid record numbers of migrants attempting to cross into the u.s.. nbc's mike memoli is on the ground in mexico city.
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>> hey there, mehdi. good evening from mexico city, the president is arriving this evening. he is continuing a weeklong focus by the white house on perhaps the most polarizing issue in our politics right now. of course, immigration. thursday, the president rolling out some consecutive actions to deal with this challenge, increasing crossings at the u.s. mexico border, opening up some new pathways for legal status for some of those migrants coming from haiti, cuba, nicaragua. at the same time, ramping up enforcement measures. increased transport actions to expel these migrants and -- with the mexican government as well to accepted many of those migrants. it's a nuanced approach to hear, the president says he is undertaking without the support of congress, as we have this new republican house taking office this week as well. today, the president making his first visit as president and really in decades to the southern border in el paso. what is the second highest
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border crossing on the border in el paso, he met with some of the customs and border patrol agents on the ground there. the faith-based non governmental groups that are dealing with the surge at el paso, which is really strange. local officials -- pledging he can do everything he can from a federal level to support those efforts. it's in mexico city where the president, over the next few days, is going to be really highlighting what he has emphasized as a -- vet need for a much broader regional approach to this challenge, that is much more nuanced, much more complex event politics has often allowed. mexico said it's part of the -- to take in some of those that will be ramped up, part of the ramped up deportations. canada also this year agreeing to accept 50,000 agricultural workers from the americas, a record number of asylum seekers as well. those kinds of commitments the president is hoping to build upon here. the larger message from the white house over the course of this week is to show a substantive approach, a
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seriousness of purpose around this issue, in contrast to what we've seen from the republican party, the president really and they're scoring that. we saw governor abbott of texas greet the president on the runway and hand him a letter in which he laid out the ways in which he believes, and republicans agree with him, that the president is responsible for what he calls the chaos at the border. the president was later asked if he had had a chance to read the letter, with a bit of a smirk he responded he had not had the time yet. mehdi. >> nbc's mike memoli in mexico city for us. -- doctor celine gounder addresses anti vax conspiracy theories about the death of her late husband, soccer reporter -- it's not unlike how some right wingers are characterizing the -- them are hemline. i will explain more in a moment in my 62nd wrap. richard lui is here with the news out of brazil. >> the latest now following the breaking news in brazil. supporters of former president
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jar bolsonaro have stormed the congress in the capital of brasilia. event similar to the attack that took place in this country two years ago, rioters clad in yellow and green can be seen climbing on top of the buildings roof and breaking windows, nearby mobs also gathered outside the presidential palace and made their way inside the supreme court as well. bolsonaro supporters claimed to be protesting what they falsely believed it was a stolen election there. the violent behavior follows months of rhetorical attacks by bolsonaro and supporters against the nation's electoral systems. it also comes a week after the inauguration of president lula this silva. lula, who defeated bolsonaro in october, had denounced the violence and authorized federal intervention within the area until january 31st. in a live address after all this started today, lula said he would return to the capital with access the damage done,
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overview damage done by rioters. the attack took place as bolsonaro was believed to be thousands of miles away. the former president staying in florida where he traveled late last month as his presidency was coming to a close. the white house saying president biden has been briefed on the situation a short time ago. the u.s. secretary of state sent out a tweet condemning the attack and pledging support for lula, saying in part, quote, using violence to attack democratic institutions is always unacceptable. we will bring you any more updates coming out of brazil. it appears things are starting to quiet down now at this time in the evening. they're more of the mehdi hassan show right after this break. ♪ i gotta good feeling about this, yeah ♪ ♪ i'm with it ♪ ♪ i gotta good feeling about this ♪ ♪ yeah, ♪ ♪ so let's get it ♪
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online and on cable. despite doctors saying there is no evidence to link hamlin's condition to any vaccine, listen to fox's tucker carlson putting out vaccine misinformation on tuesday night. >> cardiologist -- looked into this trend in europe, european sports leagues. they found that prior to covid, the covid-19 magazines, and there were 29 cardiac arrests in those european sports leagues per year. since the vaccine campaign began, there've been more than 1500 total cardiac arrests in those leagues. two thirds of those were but -- >> it's time to debunk this dangerous anti vax nonsense. give me just 60 seconds. start the clock. tucker carlson -- conspiratorial covid vaccine claims -- referencing a letter -- not a regular steady, a letter that congress -- coppa list on the scandinavian journal last year -- fringe blog as -- that block, by the way, it got to 1500 by compiling --
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a bunch of news reports, including deaths not even linked to cardiac arrest, some were the result of cancer. there is a -- inflammation of the heart, but -- vaccine misinformation embathe risk of getting myocards for covid actually -- that's what the data says from the -- shows. the reality is, as of october last, year americans were vaccinated with updated bivalent booster shots had an 18.6 times a lower rate of dying from covid-19 and then unvaccinated did. when tucker carlson, the other journalists on air or online pushes vaccine skepticism and even misinformation, there are effectively in shamefully putting at risk the lives of their own viewers and their own readers. it is shameful. next, the two brave historians taking on the biggest lies told about america. also, don't forget, you can listen to the mehdi hassan show anytime, free, where you get your podcasts. your podcasts.
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disinformation seems to be everywhere. whether it's called fake news, the war on truth, or alternative facts, it's all sadly become a key part of our political discourse. the reality is disinformation in this country goes much further back than trump. while the former president may be the poster child for it, he is more of a symptom than the cause. the country has long had issues with mitt making in the name of
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patriotism or even conservatism. issues within the education system which has never really prioritized at the teaching of honest, unsparing, self critical american history, which has led to things like a survey in the washington post that found one in three americans could pass the u.s. citizenship tests, which is made up of pretty basic questions about our past. i passed it to become a citizen. half americans believe a civil war took place before the american revolution, which is impossible, of course. princeton university -- to our most informed and outspoken historians. they put together a book that aims to debunk some of the myths around everything from american exceptionalism to socialism to insurrection. the book is titled mid america. historians take on the biggest legends and lies about our past. and they join me now. thank you both for joining me on the show tonight. happy new year. congratulations on the book. kevin, let me start with you. why did you feel it was important to write this book and write it now? >> as you noted, these myths
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have been with us for a long time. in the last six years or so, the trump era, we've reached a crisis point in which the president led the way, ecosystem out there helped promote these myths. they reached a new level that i haven't really seen before and shaped our contemporary conversation about american politics. >> julian, you know in the book that historical myth making has grown in recent years as a result of the rise of trump but the retreat from the teaching off in prioritizing of history. write down what's going on for us, as a nation, what you think is going. >> more and more, we see a decoupling of what you hear about different elements of u.s. history whether it's this american exceptionalism or the effect of government and it's totally disconnected from what most scholars have found over the decades. there is more room, more space
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out there to say things that are so distant from the scholarship. we've also seen a politicized classroom where very often it's harder and harder to have self critical history and rigorous histories opposed to narratives that someone, if the teachers and students -- >> kevin, in the wake of the george floyd protests and the 16 19 project, which i know you were involved in, and the reaction from conservative america, republican politicians, was to crack down on anyone trying to do anything differently or any kind of reappraisal's, nowhere has that been seen more than in florida. if you were a professor teaching history in florida right now, where ron desantis is cracking down on what's being taught in schools, colleges, as julian mentioned, politicized classrooms, targeting professors to go against his -- putting his fellow sensors on the board of liberal universities, would you feel personally threatened?
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would you be changing what you teach, what you say, in the classroom? >> i can't say if i would be changing what i would say in the classroom. i certainly would feel threatened. it really is an alarming level of activism intervention. it's funny, i noticed governor desantis gave a speech in front of a freedom indoctrination was on the banner in front of him. as the state weighs in to tell individual teachers what they can do in the classroom. it struck me as incredibly odd. really alarming. >> ron desantis who wants that history in school. good luck to those students. julian, at the washington post review of your book -- writes, quote, almost all the essays depart in a significant way from the -- these untruths are process -- rather almost every essay have deeply embedded in these -- in american history. what's your response to that? >> that is a fair criticism.
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i don't think we totally disagree. i think a lot of the rioters are responding to arguments and myths and misinformation that have gained more prevalence in the last few years. some of these are very deeply rooted. the america of american exceptionalism, for example. the idea that the u.s. is totally different than all other countries, free of the problems that face many other nations, in europe, for example, has been a long -- around for a long time. including in the cold war, it became a principal argument used in claims against communism. we accept that criticism. it is fair. i think most of our authors understand that and are going through things that are so deeply rooted also just gaining more traction in the last four, eight, 12 years. >> definitely more traction. kevin, how much does the modern conservative movement, which is so full of grifters and -- demagogues, how much does it
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rely on their base, their voters, they are marks, if you will, being ignorant about our country's history? >> i think it has played an increasingly strong role. this is -- it separates the current era from the past, these myths certainly did exist. they've been weaponized from the highest level of government. the trump administration, and one of its dying gaffes was to put up sympathy to the six commission. education across america -- it's near and dear to the heart of the conservative movement, of what's become. it's a new thing. conservatives used to reckon with the past. they used to see themselves as clear eyed warriors representing the truth. we have come from a place in which -- apologized for the southern strategy 15 years ago to today when conservatives are denying there ever was such a thing. it's a remarkable chain. >> julian, you commissioned both of your -- top historians to write mitt
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busting chapters in your book. i wonder which chapter surprised you the most, will surprise readers the most, do you think? >> there is a great essay by a native american history and looking at their continued presence and role of vitality of such an important community even as there was endless literature and arguments about their vanishing friendly american landscape. it's by a historian named -- an excellent essay. for me, as an editor, it was one of the pleasures of reading through it and learning a tremendous amounts from his work. >> as someone who loves midwest-ing and try to do a bit of mid busting on the show, it's such a valuable book. kevin kruse, julia, good discussion today. thank you for joining. next, why we should be careful about framing new house speaker kevin mccarthy and others in his caucus as the moderate republicans. stay tuned.
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understood how to best control the discourse in our political landscape. and thereby control the terms of political debate. nowhere was this more evident than this week's house of speakership fiasco. so much of the media, including sections of the so-called liberal media, bought into this narrative that because the opponent to kevin mccarthy and the majority of house republicans were far-right election deniers, that must make mccarthy and his majority some sort of center-right moderates. never mind the fact that mccarthy voted to overturn the election both before and after the january 6th insurrection. don't know what's moderate about that. there is his wing women, far-right congresswoman marjorie taylor greene who blamed wildfires -- jewish space lasers indicated support from -- and accused recently democrats
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of killing republicans. and mccarthy celebrated his win by taking a selfie with her on the house floor. look, look. moderates. 139 house republicans who voted to overturn the 2020 election, including five out of seven members of the then-house gop leadership team. a sad reality is if there are no moderates or establishment republicans left in this gop caucus. the people you might call moderates, like adam kinzinger, jamie herrera beutler, john -- those who voted to impeach trump, they are all gone. the people you might call establishment types in the gop, like mitt romney, who voted to -- the bush family who didn't vote for trump in the last two elections, and they don't exist within the house gop. if you don't believe me, just ask liz cheney who was exiled from the house republican party for daring to hold trump accountable after january the 6th. cheney was kicked out of the gop. house republicans like nancy
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mace can try to look moderate and reasonable by calling out gaetz as she did on a sunday show this morning. the reality is the house republican caucus as a whole is extremist, is conspiratorial, is far right wing. it's in hawk to one donald trump. some of them just do a better job of hiding it. coming up at the top of the hour with ayman mohyeldin, congressman dan goldman from new york will be here to talk about donald trump's current relationship with the republican party. that's tonight at nine eastern right here on msnbc. back in a moment. amen and i will take on some of that chaos in result and talk about americas and the republican party's responsibility for it.
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we will be right back here next sunday at 8 pm eastern. you can now find the show on the msnbc hub on peacock. new episodes on peacock post every evening, monday through thursday. now it's time to handed over to my friend, ayman mohyeldin, for the first time in 2023. amen, happy new year. good to see you. i want to talk to you about brazil from before i hand over and move on. some chaotic scenes out of that country today. an armed attack and a violent attack, i should say, on the congress, and the supreme court, protesters outside the presidential palace. i feel like it's doubly embarrassing for us in the united states because, number one, as joe walsh pointed out
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at the start, everyone looks to america and they saw what happened on january 6th. the images out of brazil are very much january 6th like. number two, the have arrested more than 400 people today, which is not what we did on january 6th. we allow the insurrectionists to just go home. i feel like it's doubly embarrassing watching the scenes, chaotic scenes out of resulted. >> not only that, look, i think you can look at what is happening in brazil and see firsthand and the motivation, the inspiration from what played out here on january the 6th and how it has played out and spread to countries like brazil. you know what's more troubling, mehdi? the reaction we've seen from our own politicians to what is happening in brazil. this is a major international crisis, the white house has condemned the violence. the president, the secretary of state, the national security adviser, democratic officials have all said they are watching the situation closely. and they condemn it and look forward to working with the duly elected president of
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brazil, lula. you know who we have not heard from? it's not a surprise. a lot of the republicans, many of whom tacitly supported and explicitly supported our own insurrection that happened in this country. i think it is julie shameful what you outlined but also what our own republican officials are doing this evening as we watch this democracy, the largest democracy in south america, go through this turmoil. >> we should stand in solidarity with the democrats in that country. it's interesting you mention republicans. nothing from kevin mccarthy, the new speaker, so far, or mcconnell. donald trump, of course not. one republican i would like to hear from's governor ron desantis. and the former president of brazil, bolsonaro, is in florida right now, bizarrely we've seen images all week wondering around eating kfc. according to lula, the president of brazil inciting this insurrection. maybe bolsonaro should put out
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a video saying we love you, go home. >> i wonder if he will pop up in mar-a-lago. who knows? maybe that is where he stays in florida. we will have to wait and see. thank god we at least have now a speaker of the house during the international crisis. let's hope he gets briefed on it and we can hear from him. >> one quick thing on kevin mccarthy. and january the 6th, 2023, he stood and thanked donald trump on friday night, late night. he thanked donald trump on the anniversary of the same insurrection he himself said on january 6th 2021 donald trump was responsible for. that is who the -- as we become this exporter of insurrection. >> you certainly can't say you are surprised by kevin mccarthy given the fact that a couple weeks after january the 6th he flew himself down to mar-a-lago and begin the political rehabilitation of donald trump. he obviously made the deal with the devil that he's going to need, those maga lights to get
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him that speakership. here he is two years on. many, great to see you as always, my friend. great show, enjoy the rest of your evening. coming up on ayman, breaking tonight as we were discussing there. thousands of supporters of the former president of brazil storm government buildings to fight the country's election results. does that sound familiar? we will break it down for you. the week leading the week. kevin mccarthy and donald trump's influence has bought them out congressman -- to discuss the three ring circus that was a republican house speaker for this week. plus, president biden has landed in mexico city after his trip to the u.s. mexico border in el paso, texas. i'm going to discuss his immigration policies with my sunday night panel. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. kevin mccarthy is officially speaker of the house, but what
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does he have to show for it? the >> california republicans quest for the coveted gavel has come at a steep cost. the new rules package scheduled for a vote tomorrow includes a measure that would allow single member to force him motion to vacate. the speakership. it also makes it harder for lawmakers to raise spending taxes and the debt limit. if that package does pass, mccarthy will take office as the weakest speaker in modern american history. let that sink in for a moment. but right now, that is a real, it is real, considering some members of mccarthy's own caucus are already voicing their opposition. >> i like the rules package. it is the most open, fair and fiscally conservative fact which we have had in 30 years. i support it. but what i don't support is a small number of people trying to get a deal done or deals done for themselves, and so i i am on the fence right now about the rules package vote tomorrow for that reason.
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