jump in and they're paying attention to see what trump is doing before they make their decisions, and looking at each other trying to determine who else could be competition. so there's real frustration that trump has not addressed many of the concerns that have come from republican voters that led them to vote against them in the most recent election in figuring out ways to not only win them back but perhaps win some of the individuals from communities that historically do not vote for the gop, and so right now, most people are sitting on their hands, waiting to see what is going to be put forward and in the meantime, trying to maintain the support that they have until then. >> politics reporter at "axios," eugene scott, congrats again on the new jon, and thanks for joining us this morning. it's going to be a busy day in washington and beyond. looking into the president's visit to the border yesterday, his high stakes summit in mexico today and tomorrow.

of course big drama on capitol hill as well, as kevin mccarthy finally has the gavel. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this monday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. i want to provide an update on our ongoing efforts to expose the tremendous voter fraud and irregularities which took place. >> there is really strong evidence that something happened, that something was changed in the transmission or inside. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. all converging and now we're on, as they say, the point of attack. look in the streets of brazil. look at the great patriots in brazil that at a lot of danger to themselves, have come forward in the streets of brazil. f brazl >> a corrupt president, the forces of fascism, and the mobs

that believe the lies. this morning, we're following fast moving developments out of brazil where police have arrested hundreds who attacked the presidential palace and congress. we'll have the latest on the unrest there and how these riots were inspired by the january 6th insurrection. and in washington, d.c., kevin mccarthy starts his term as speaker of the house after a week of chaos and failed votes on the house floor. we'll take a look at the concessions he made to finally secure the position he has sought for years. also ahead, the latest from president joe biden's first visit to the border since taking office as he faces more pressure to address the humanitarian crisis there. plus, we will break down the nfl playoff match ups following a wild final week in the regular season, including the emotional and thrilling game in buffalo

with the bills returning to the field for the first time since damar hamlin's collapse. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, january 9th, good to have you with us. also with us, we have former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele, u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay, the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire, and former cia officer, marc polymeropoulos. he's an nbc news security and intelligence analyst. >> and jonathan lemire, we're going to get to the nfl in a little bit. we're going to talk about the patriots not making the playoffs. didn't really deserve it, though. they looked good for a while. mac looked good for a little while. we'll also talk about perhaps the worst game played in the history of the nfl. we speak of course of the dolphins and the jets. it was a truly, miserable, horrible game, and it is shocking. it shocks the conscience of

america that a team from that game could actually make it into the nfl playoffs, but they did. >> yeah, it's another constitutional crisis we have to deal with today, joe, that a team could win 11-6 with their third string quarterback, unable to do anything on offense and yet still get a playoff berth. i know we'll spend more time on it later. those scenes out of buffalo yesterday, joe, were so spectacular. as a patriots fan, even i got goose bumps when the bills ran back that opening kickoff in tribute to damar hamlin who's doing so much better after a seemingly near death not even a week ago, really inspiring stuff, and i know we'll spend more time on it later. >> you hear a lot of people say if they had written the script, in hollywood, nobody would have believed it. you can say that safely. nobody would have believed it after the salacious ups and downs the bills went through this past week to get great news from their teammate, and run the opening kickoff back for a touchdown. yeah, pretty unbelievable. >> it was amazing, and we'll

have more on all of that ahead. but first, we start with the developing news this morning out of brazil, where yesterday thousands of supporters of the nation's former president, jair bolsonaro breached multiple government buildings. video shows the moment they stormed the presidential office building, the nation's congress and supreme court in the capital of brasilia. the chaos comes one week after the inauguration of president lulu da silva. the presidential election had already been certified, and neither the nation's congress nor its supreme court were in session at the time of the riots. by 5:00 p.m. yesterday, riot police and security were able to retake the supreme court and the presidential palace was retaken about an hour later.

lula condemned the invaders as fascists and blamed bolsonaro for encouraging the attacks by repeatedly questioning the integrity of the electoral process. the region's governor says more than 400 of the rioters have already been arrested. video shows those detained being loaded into buses and driven away by police. so you notice some similarities? >> yeah, i mean, you look at the similarities in the riots in brazil and the january 6th attacks. not a coincidence. >> throughout his campaign bolsonaro pushed misinformation about election security to his supporters, and claimed that brazil's electronic voting machines were prone to fraud. >> where'd he get that from? >> with no evidence. the strategy mirrors what donald trump and his allies did following the 2020 election. some of trump's allies were also involved in spreading lies about

the election in brazil, and have been advising bolsonaro and his son. bolsonaro's son, eduardo, who is a congressman in brazil, and was in washington during the january 6th attack on the capitol met with trump at mar-a-lago after his father lost october's election. "the washington post" reported he was also strategizing with steve bannon, and former trump campaign spokesman jason miller. in late november, eduardo bolsonaro tweeted this video of bannon speaking at cpac mexico. >> walk in the streets of brazil. look at the great patriots in brazil that at a lot of danger to themselves have come forward in the streets of brazil, and quite frankly as i love the bolsonaros, and eduardo is going to speak tomorrow. there's no better man on this globe than eduardo bolsonaro. this is the people saying, no,

you didn't follow the constitution. you used these machines, you used the judiciary to shut us down in the media, and we're not going to tolerate it. it's going to be very interesting to see how that plays out. same with the united states. you know, people like kari lake are not going to give up. used as a warning in the great fight that you guys have in front of you, both with the cultural issues, the political issues and the economic issues. once they start taking and digitizing the elections, once they start going to machines where you can't get paper ballot. you don't have proof of i.d., you get taken away from the precincts, and they start to centralize in collection centers, that's all done for one reason. that's to consistently steal elections. they know they don't have the backing of the people. >> last night, bannon posted on social media, quote, lula stole the elections. brazilians know this. he has been talking about brazil for months, pushing conspiracies and calling for bolsonaro and his supporters to not accept the results of the election.

>> got to start in brazil with the bolsonaros and the fight for freedom and the fight for sovereignty. the criminal lula, the international criminal, the partner of the chinese communist party is on the cusp with the aid and assistance of the united states government and national security apparatus who brag about, you know, cia going down there in the summer wanting the bolsonaros -- >> enough of that. we get the idea. trump expressed his support for this thug several times. he took credit for helping him reach the runoff in the presidential election. jamie raskin of maryland made a direct comparison to what's happening in brazil, and tweeting in part these fascists modeling themselves after trump's january 6th rioters must end up in the same place, prison. >> it's just chilling.

>> and michael steele, this is -- well, first of all f if you're in brazil, and you see fascists trying to undermine democracy in brazil, you can be forgiven for asking, wait, how does this guy keep getting arrested, how does this guy keep getting convicted, how does this guy keep getting sentenced and how does this guy keep out of jail to export fascism and the undermining of democracy? that's part one of it. but part two is -- and i know you'll share my feelings as for me, a former republican, but we used to be the people that praised ronald reagan, for talking about exporting democracy, for calling the soviet union an evil empire and while everybody freaked out in the west while he was saying that, we heard after the iron curtain fell, that people were whispering, you know from prison

cell to prison cell in the gulags, there is hope. there is a president who understands what's going on, and we have a chance to be liberated. that's where we used to be. now we actually, after 240 years of exporting democracy from this country, jeffersonian democracy around the world, we're now, through donald trump, we've got people supporting fascism, election denialism, hatred of the press, hatred of the courts. all the things that bannon was saying right there, and that the people of brazil picked up on. >> yeah, what you heard there was a lot of projection about the processes of election, from a guy who was very much a part of fomenting insurrection here. look, they're packaging this stuff. we've seen it. we've seen it extend into organizations like cpac, where

they're now going out globally, holding these big events to further instigate and install this mindset. in fact, to be honest, joe, i was surprised that what we're witnessing now in brazil did not happen last fall after the election. i thought that there was a coordination that would lead up to when that election was called this type of rioting, very similar to what we saw on january 6th. but you see now the pattern. you see now laying down the predicate that elections, democracy, the process, cannot be trusted. and you need this into a very narrow funnel of thinking to people who in large measure aren't connected in. i'd be very curious how many of those folks actually

participated and thought that, oh, gee, i'm going to be going to jail today for this cause. folks get riled up. these folks sit back and know it. and you're now beginning to see this and look forward to metastasize elsewhere, which to jamie raskin's point, is important that global democracies and governments come together and nip this in the bud because this can get progressively worse fast. >> well, and let's be very clear about what you say cpac and other pro trump organizations are promoting. this is fascism. this is the use of violence to undermine democratic outcomes. that's why cpac goes to mexico and has steve bannon give instructions to the fascists in brazil about how to overturn a democratic election, how to overturn a democratic government. it's why they go to hungry, where they have orban and

hungary, bragging about the fact that they hate liberal democracy. that they've moved away from liberal democracy, from western style democracy. this is -- there are a group of fascists in america, and, i mean, if you feel like your job is to overthrow democratic elections through the crews of violence, and i can't call you a fascist, then just redefine the term fascist and we'll get a better term for you. whatever it is, it's antidemocratic and they're trying to -- they tried in the united states, and they failed, and now they've tried it in brazil. >> well. >> and this was predicted for months. this was -- >> it was. >> this was not a surprise. people said that trump's -- people around trump and team trump were promoting a fascist overthrow of the government down there. violent insurrections against a democratic election. and it happened. >> quite a message the trump

presidency is sending to the world. katty kay, your thoughts on what we are witnessing now in brazil and reaction from around the world? >> yeah, i mean, there has been obviously widespread condemnation, including from people like georgia maloney who was elected on a kind of quasi fascist platform, neo-nazi platform in italy, so, you know, that is good news. there's been a lot of global response and outrage at what is happening in brazil. but i do think you're right. the story is january the 6th here in washington, d.c. and brazil and the meddling of people like steve bannon who chooses those countries very carefully. he chooses to go after viktor orban in hungary, a country with a not very long history of democracy after the cold war. he chooses to go somewhere like brazil and speaks there. he's almost become obsessed with brazil on his talk show recently. a country that also had a military dictatorship for 20 years. i'm old enough to remember when that ended in the mid-1980s.

it's not that long ago, and could slip back into that. the people, the supporters of bolsonaro look to the time of military dictatorship when thousands were tortured and killed, when there was no rule of law, there was no democracy, and they say that is the golden age. that is specifically what they want, and it's tied directly to donald trump and the stop the steal movement here too. you had ali alexander, one of the spokes people of the stop the steal movement saying in october, joe biden stole the election in brazil. it's bonkers. but tying directly what is happening in brazil to american politics. the message has to be that donald trump himself may be waning as a political force here in the united states, but the antidemocratic populism and trumpism that he brought into the united states is certainly not waning around the world. >> between trump and bolsonaro

are deep. we should mention that bolsonaro left brazil before his successor was inaugurated and fled to florida, not far from mar-a-lago. that's where he has been camped out since leaving the country, so, mark, there are some key differences here. we should also note that thankfully there are no lawmakers inside these buildings. unlike what we had on january 6th, there weren't people running for their lives who could have been killed by the mobs. also lula, victory had already been certified so they weren't able to stop that. they just seemed to want to really break things. but, you know, you cover the world when you were in the intelligence business, you would look at dangerous situations. you would look for seeds of problems, of violence, of fascism, so now brazil had its own january 6th on january 8th. how concerned are you about how this could happen somewhere else? >> well, jonathan, i'm really concerned. a good friend of mine just came

back from a personal trip to brazil, and what he told me before at the events yesterday is that the parallels there are just the political differences. it was stark, and reminded him of the united states, and i said on this show many times, i do believe in american exceptionalism. america in my view, still is that bright shining city on the hill, and you know, for my career, what we exported was this notion of political and economic freedoms. but here, unfortunately, and i think it's actually quite embarrassing for the u.s., we're exporting insurrection, and i think something that hasn't been mentioned enough is, until we, you know, find somehow in our judicial system accountability for what happened on january 6th, this is going to continue. you know, the foot soldiers from january 6th are being prosecuted by doj. we still don't have accountability from the ring leaders. until that happens, i think there is danger that this kind of export of fascism will occur, and again, i think this is deeply embarrassing to the u.s. when, you know, the brazilians

will do a forensic kind of review of what happened. i think you're going to see a lot of ties to the trump orbit. this is not what we want to be doing as a country that for so long stood for so much good in the world. >> we have much more on this ahead. but we'll turn to politics in america for a moment. after 14 failed votes and a dramatic friday night on capitol hill, kevin mccarthy is house speaker this morning. the california republican won the gavel. late last week on his 15th try after finally reaching a deal with the detractors from his own party that involved several major concessions to the far right freedom caucus. those concessions include promised spending cuts, a package of changes to the rules that watered down the speaker's power, and giving freedom caucus members seats on key committees like the powerful appropriations and rules committees. mccarthy also agreed to a rule giving a single lawmaker the

power to force a vote to oust the sitting speaker in the middle of the term. republican congresswoman nancy mesa was asked on face the nation, about whether the congress could work together after what took place last week? >> the speaker has reportedly given the freedom caucus, the ultra conservative faction, a third of the seats on the powerful rules committee which controls which bills make it to the floor. you have called matt gaetz one of its members, a political d lister and fraud, you have sparred with marjorie taylor greene. i'll show our viewers part of that and let them interpret your meaning. how are you going to work with these folks to get anything done for the american people? >> it's going to be very difficult. matt gaetz is a fraud. every time he voted against kevin mccarthy last week, he sent out a fundraising e-mail. what you saw last week was a constitutional process

diminished by those kinds of political actions. >> yeah. >> and it was a mess. it was really like a bunch of children fighting. >> fistfights. >> are you kidding me. >> almost broke out on the floor. but, you know, i said it wasn't a big deal as far as, you know, whatever happens happens, they'll get a speaker at the end of the day, and at the end of the day, what do you call a speaker who doesn't get elected on the 15th vote, you call him mr. speaker, so mccarthy is speaker. he's accomplished his lifelong goal. my problem, though, right now and my great concern and i know there are a lot of people who are actually conservatives, unlike what the people you saw on the floor the other night that were positioning for whatever they were positioning for, real conservatives like me are concerned about attacks on the military coming from this small republican caucus, attacks

on the intel community coming from this small congressional caucus. i talked about ronald reagan, and what reagan stood for in exporting freedom. exporting democracy, what we believe during the cold war we were doing. you go back to those cold war times, and mark, let me go back to you, as a former cia guy, i will be honest with you, i am very nervous about these radicals who are not conservatives, they are isolationists. they're insurrectionists. a lot of them are weirdos, a lot of them are freaks. they have bizarre views of government. nothing conservative about them, and this is from the "way too early" editorial page considered by, you know, i think everybody to be one of the most conservative editorial pages in america, and it says defense is now a gop target. this is from their editorial this morning. as we reported saturday, speaker

kevin mccarthy's deal with gop dissenters puts defense spending on the chopping block. no less than jim jordan, spiritual leader of the house freedom caucus confirmed this in response to a question on fox news. the reality is the "wall street journal" editorial page says that if defense is cut, what will go first is spending for operations and maintenance, to sustain military readiness, as well as money for the weapons to deter china. it is worrisome that some republicans now are joining the progressive calls to shrink the military as the world grows more dangerous. we have vladimir putin, mark, threatening nuclear war. we have china threatening taiwan. we have north korea openly saying they are going to continue nuclear tests with the hopes of being able to target the united states of america.

and their missile program and nuclear program goes closer and closer to doing that, and a lot of these people that put mccarthy over the top at the very end, they want to cut military and they want to go to war on our intelligence communities that keep us safe. >> right, john, and i share your concern, and let me tell you something, this is something that's happening today. the rules package is going to be voted on today. so this is not some time where we have, you know, kind of days and weeks to discuss this. the things that concern me are as follows, exactly what you talked about, a plan to slash the defense budget by as much as $75 billion. this notion of a new subcommittee under judiciary, a church-like commission as kind of the right wing of the gop is calling it. to look at the weaponization of the federal government. this is performative theater, and at a time where, you know, we need fbi agents to be out in the streets, you know, looking

for chinese espionage activity, both foreign and domestic terrorism, they're going to be caught up in this theater, and that really does concern me. here's the piece right now. time is of the essence. there are smart, responsible conservative republicans out there who care about national security, and the question that i have today is, as this vote comes today is do they have the moral courage to step up. you have ryan fitzpatrick, a former fbi agent. don bacon, a former brigadier general in the air force. mike mccall. tony gonzalez down in texas who has expressed reside vacations and said he's going to vote against rules. there's a national security for the rules changes, and today is going to be telling. there are responsible republicans out there. the question is will they speak up today? >> will they speak up. they need to speak up. i mean, this is so extraordinarily dangerous. as you said, they're going to

actually, these people want to target america's intel community. while we should be trying to target chinese spies that are trying to infiltrate washington, that are trying to infiltrate silicon valley, that are trying to infiltrate board rooms of our biggest corporations, our russian spies. it's just complete madness that it's happening, and michael steele, again, you go back to the cold war, and, my god, i campaigned and most conservatives i know campaigned about the excesses of what we thought were the excesses of the church commission. having a committee that went after our intel community, and now, they're going after the intel community not for past abuses, they're going after the intel community because they dared to stand up to donald trump. because they dared to investigate donald trump's wrong doing, but think about it.

they want to slash as the "wall street journal" editorial page says, they want to slash the defense budget, one of the most dangerous times of our lives. i've heard time and again, most dangerous time since the cuban missile crisis. they want to slash the defense budget and these rules and then they want a church style commission to attack our intel community, who's, again, every day, fighting to protect america. >> so what you're having play out today and going forward is the retributive politics that donald trump has declared, and that they under kevin mccarthy's leadership will implement. going after our intel community, going after the fbi, going after, you know, the department of justice, investigation after investigation is their way of

appeasing what donald trump, his hurt feelings or the -- >> really quickly, didn't this already happen? isn't this what barr did before he left? he put durham in charge. gave him all the power, all the power of the department of justice and said go out and find wrong doing by the fbi. and all he did is strike out time and time again and made a fool of himself. >> right. yeah, no, exactly. i mean, this is all been done. but donald trump wasn't satisfied with what barr did, and so now you're going to have the power and the agency of congressional over sight and committee chairs and the speaker himself pushing this. i want to go back to the point that you and mark were both making about what the other member, the other 200 members

who stood with kevin mccarthy for 15 ballots and whether or not they're going to push back on this. were they pushing back on this when this was all being put together? i mean, here you are. what do we think it going to happen with the package today, what do you think on the list you put up is going to get peeled up and not passed? that's all negotiated. kevin mccarthy is in the seat because he told people that's what he was going to do. you think he is now, what, three days later going to come back and go i'm sorry, we're not doing spending cuts, and seats on the freedom caucus, instead of having 3 or 30 or whatever. that's not happening. >> if it does, there will be a motion to vacate. >> exactly. thank you, mika. follow the bouncing ball here. there's a reason why that last bullet is the most important bullet. because all of those other things, if none of them happens, guess who's standing up on the

floor saying i would like to propose a motion to vacate the chair. you know, joe, you were in the room. but this is a very different room than the one you were in. >> you know, the thing is this is such colossally bad politics. >> yes. >> they are going to slash the defense budget, and they're going to allow the democrats in the senate and joe biden to be the protectors of america's defense. like, they don't understand they are walking right in to another loss in 2024. they are going to war with the intelligence community. they're attacking the fbi and the cia. in the fevered swamps of trumpism, they go let's crush

the intel community, let's crush the deep state. you know what, like people in suburban atlanta think, and like the suburbs of philly, and up in wisconsin, and michigan, they're thinking, those guys, they're professionals, they're on our side, and they protect us from terrorists, radical terrorists from across the globe. they protect us from terrorists, domestic terrorists inside the united states. they protect us from, like, drug syndicates. these are the people. these are the people that protect americans. so this republican party now supports the slashing of the defense budget. "wall street journal" editorial page, and they support a full-scale war of the men and women who are the professionals in our intel communities.

good luck selling that in '24. you have just made joe biden's day. can you really get any dumber politically? >> no, they really can't. >> i'm sure you'll prove me wrong over the next two years. >> it's truly possible that could happen. that could happen this week. former cia officer, marc polymeropoulos, thank you very much for being on this morning. i want to bring in congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post," jackie alemany. how is this going to play out this week, and talk a little bit more, if you could, about just how much power kevin mccarthy gave up in his bid for the speakership? >> yeah, good morning, mika. we are bracing today for a potential repeat of what we saw last week as house lawmakers will return to the house chamber, the house floor this evening to vote on this rules package where mccarthy did give up a handful of concessions to essentially diffuse his power as

speaker. i think the popular name that's been circulating as speaker in name only, and that is because this framework that these hard line defectors, detractors last week agreed to with mccarthy, which they have made clear is going to be their enforcement mechanism, you know, lowers the threshold for the motion to vacate to one member, which means that it only requires one house gop lawmaker to potentially oust the speaker if he brings something to the house floor that they don't agree with or if there's some sort of policy that he brings up. along with this are a handful of other concessions which actually have not been made public yet despite people like chip roy, jim jordan, congressman dan bishop, people who have said that this process was all a part of bringing transparency to, you know, an opaque bill making process on capitol hill.

so there are a handful of lawmakers who already say that they're going to be voting against this rules package, and all mccarthy needs is four members to come out against this this evening for it to be tanked. so i think we're likely in for a long week with some more back door negotiating on some of these concessions he gave up this includes house freedom members having more positions on powerful house committees like the rules committee, the steering committee. >> i just hope he has boehner and paul ryan on speed dial so that he can call them up for advice whenever he needs to because he's going to need to be talking to them every day. who knows why he wanted it this much. it looks like he's given away the farm to get it, and it's impossible not to ignore the con trast between what's happening on the republican side and the democratic side. they looked like they were the

party of the disunity, they looked like the party of family and hugging each other by comparison. >> oh, absolutely. it was remarkable to watch that contrast on the house floor in realtime. nancy pelosi looked like she was having the time of her life. but you already have some moderate republicans talking publicly. some of these people who were actually involved in the negotiations this week with these ultra conservative members about maybe joining up with democrats in order to stop some of these potentially devastating policies that could muck up the way u.s. government works. you know, potentially defaulting if republicans can't agree to a debt limit, maybe major cuts to defense spending that a handful of republicans have already come out against. so, you know, it's going to be worth watching these next few weeks and these next two years. >> and, again, i'm just going to be surprised to see how the

votes go, mika. is every republican really going to vote to slash defense spending and leave it to joe biden and the democrats to save the defense of this country, to save the united states military? is every republican today and tomorrow, are they really going to vote to go to war against the premiere law enforcement agency in american that keeps americans safe or to attack the cia who's hunting down every day chinese spies, hunting down russian spies, hunting down the next attack from terrorists across the globe? you know, if they do, they have just played right into the democrats' hand and they have made america weaker. "the washington post's" jackie alemany, thank you very much for your reporting. i have a feeling we'll see you a lot this week. still ahead on "morning joe," much more on the gop infighting that we saw play out

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we're underway as new england decided to defer after winning the toss. on the run back, breaking a tackle and taking it past midfield and down the sideline he goes. this is storybook, an opening kickoff return for damar hamlin, and this place is absolutely going wild. >> come on, no way. unbelievable. buffalo bills safety damar hamlin, his teammate, nyheim hines took the opening kick kickoff, 96 yards, scoring on a 101 yard return to have the first bills player to have two in the same game, wrapping up an emotional 35-23 win over the pats. it's a good thing he ran both back. it was the difference maker in the game. locked up the number two seed, and knocked new england out of playoff contention. it was a shock, actually, after

this year that the patriots were even still in playoff contention. hamlin's number, number 23, was on display across the league. outlined on 30 yard lines, worn on special patches on bills uniforms and featured on jacket. hamlin watched the action from his hospital bed in cincinnati, where he remains in critical condition after his heart stopped on the field during last monday's game against the bengals, but what an extraordinary recovery. let's bring in nbc sports columnist peter king. we of course talked about the great news. it's amazing news. it's wonderful. peter, i also want to talk about some absolutely dreadful play yesterday. i've been commenting to my 14-year-old son as we watch red zone every week, i say, you know, these players are so much better than they were even 20 years ago. it's amazing how much better the players are now. i mean, they're just great. yesterday one horrible performance after another, i've got to ask you, have you ever

seen an uglier game for playoff contention than the new york jets and the miami dolphins? >> i mean, i just saw the highlights of it, or should i say low lights, joe. you know, there were no highlights. and, look, it just goes to show you that all the teams in the nfl that are stumbling and bumbling at quarterback right now are the ones, like both of those teams yesterday, the jets and the dolphins, the dolphins obviously have their quarterback hurt, but they both played third string quarterbacks in that game. they combined for 17 points, a terrible football game, and you look all over the map on sunday, and you saw teams that had no quarterbacks, you know, no starting quarterbacks playing, all played poorly, and so, i mean, look, i was at the buffalo game. i'm still there. and, you know, fortunately to

some degree, you know, there was pretty good quarterback play in this game. but still, across the league yesterday, it's one of the reasons why i rail against a 17-game schedule. >> yeah. >> and why i wrote in my column today, you know, i'm going to rail even more if they try to make an 18-game schedule. >> peter, they were fumbling, so many interceptions. they were exhausted. you could see it. you looked at the cincinnati ravens game, which would have been a highlight of the season, you know, a couple of months ago, without lamar there and all the injuries, that was a miserable game. it was an ugly, ugly, terrible game, and the cowboys, i promise, i'm going to get positive soon, but i'm going to get positive about the detroit lions. >> there was so much screaming over the weekend. >> but first, let's talk about the cowboys. what is wrong with that? they've got the quarterback.

they just are stumbling into the playoffs. what's wrong with the cowboys? >> i think dak prescott, you know, first of all he's running around a lot. running for his life. he has not gotten protected the way he has in past years. that's number one. and i think number two, you know, they went into a game yesterday, they weren't even sure what they were going to play for, and that's what i think one of the problems here, joe, is, the mixed motivations of players in week 18 of the nfl season. because really, if you're the dallas cowboys, you've got a 5% chance of winning home field advantage through the playoffs and overtaking, you know, and moving up in the pecking order so you get a better seed, and, you know, players are saying what are we doing? why are we, you know, extending

ourselves. if we really don't have a good chance of moving up in the, you know, in the standings. and i think you just can't ask players to give their all at a time when, you know, they start the playoffs next weekend, and right now, there's no value, really, to giving your all. >> but, peter, i think we have, through all the negativity of this last week that i'm talking about, other than the miracle in buffalo, let's give an award, let's give a participation trophy to a team that gave their all. i kept saying, because i've loved how the texans have looked over the last three or four weeks. they pushed the cowboys, they pushed the 9ers. they were pushing great teams, and yesterday all they had to do was step out of bounds. all they had to do is come up just a little short, and then

have the number one pick. this team fought like they were in the super bowl, and then they went for two at the end to give up their first round draft pick. it was the least cynical thing i have seen in football. i thought that was actually beautiful. >> and the reward for lovie smith, their head coach is to get fired four hours later when the team arrives back in houston. so look, you know, the houston texans have now fired their coach. after one year in two consecutive seasons. who wants to coach houston. what kind of backing are you going to get from your ownership and front office now. i mean, the texans, there's a reason that they were in contention for the first pick in the draft. they don't run their franchise well. >> so, finally, peter, i've got to talk about a team that i found to be the most compelling, even though they started one in

six. i was talking about how jack and i were watching red zone every week, and if the lions are one in six, we turn to each other. i swear, this is a good team. this is an exciting team, and the lions, what a finish. i know they're not going to the playoffs, but these detroit fans is suffered so much, never even made it to the super bowl. there are a lot of people in seattle whining, oh, because they changed this to a night game. if seattle wins, then the lions won't have anything to play for. yeah, those people have never seen the rivalry between detroit and green bay. >> i mean, it was such a great thing to see with the lions for a lot of reasons, but i want to single out jared goff. you know, the quarterback of the lions in the last nine games this year has 15 touchdowns and zero interceptions. and the rams basically kicked them off a super bowl team a

couple of years ago, and so to me, goff has proven he belongs, and he's taken this little engine that could franchise, put it on his back along with head coach dan campbell, and they are going to be a team to be reckoned with in 2023. >> who's the team to watch going into the playoffs? >> i think san francisco and cincinnati. >> yeah. >> those are the two teams i think were playing the best, and look, san francisco has got a quarterback who is the last pick in the draft, brock purdy, who's only playing because of two major injuries, and what's he done in his six games? he's 6-0, and he's got a quarterback rating in that time of over 110. so to me, this is about great coaching with kyle shanahan in san francisco, zach taylor in cincinnati, and if you don't have a quarterback, you have no

chance. >> and of course the last draft pick of course called mr. irrelevant. he's been anything but in san francisco. pretty incredible. peter king. thank you so much. >> thank you, peter. >> for being with us. we really appreciate it. >> thanks, guys. >> jonathan lemire, sorry your patriots didn't make it. i have to say, i always cheer for mac jones, a bama guy, he had a rough start the past year or so. he looked really good yesterday. he finished strong. that gives the patriots something, really, i think to look forward to. he really -- he's really growing into that position. i'm curious what you think. i agree with peter, the 49ers, man, they just look really, i mean, hard to beat. 49ers, the chiefs looking pretty great. you look at the bills also of course. they're going to be in contention. and of course philadelphia. there's some not so good teams in the playoffs, but we've got four really good teams there!

and as peter said the theme more than usual is quarterback play. first on mac jones, a problem rookie year. this year, up and down, finished strong. he needs an actual offensive coordinator next year as well as some improved weapons around him. as we go into the playoffs, i'm struck. in the nfc, your quarterbacks, philadelphia eagles, got jalen hurts back from injury. he has a week off to heal. he got a bye. that's huge. the brock purdy story, remarkable. the 49ers, is the cinderella story going to end at the wrong time. you know who's not going to the playoffs this year, aaron rogers. and the afc three all star pro qbs, mahomes, allen and burrow. it's hard to imagine it's not one of those three teams coming out of it. it's a lackluster finish to the

season. next week's slate of games is okay. once we get through next week, it should be really good and i think it's going to be whatever qb, you know, whether it's one of the all stars or a cinderella story steps up at the right time. >> i think it's important, though, to take note, what peter king said. 17 games. these guys are brutalized and you could see it yesterday, so many mistakes. i think they were mentally, emotionally, and physically just battered. they can't go to 18 games. it would be horrible. well, speaking of football, the college football playoff national championships is going to be decided tonight at sofi stadium in los angeles. the top rated georgia bulldogs are going to try to go back-to-back against the third seated tcu horn frogs, kickoff tonight at 7:30. i would say there's no way that tcu could win but i have been saying that all year. so i won't say anything and expect a great game. >> all right. coming up, we'll have a look at

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all right. we're approaching the top of the hour right here on "morning joe." a live look at new york city. the sun has yet to come up. looks like a cloudy morning, everybody. prince harry's tell all memoir is set to be released tomorrow after it leaked on thursday. the book's title "spare," refers to a phrase that harry writes king charles used to refer to harry, his second son, as his

spare, or backup heir, since he'd already secured an heir in harry's older brother. a physical altercation between harry and his brother, harry's admission that he killed 25 people in afghanistan, and a claim william and katherine, then william's girlfriend encouraged him to dress as a nazi at a costume party are all revelations included in that memoir. both kensington palace and buckingham palace declined to comment on the allegations in the book. here's what he had to say about his relationship with his brother. >> i don't see it as cutting at all. you know, my brother and i love each other. i love him deeply. there has been a lot of pain between the two of us, especially the last six years. none of anything that i have

written, anything i have included is ever intended to hurt my family, but it does give a full picture of the situation as we were growing up, and also squashes this idea that somehow my wife was the one that destroyed the relationship between these two brothers. >> prince harry also spoke about the death of his mother. >> i was in shock. you know, 12 years old, 7:00, 7:30 in the morning, early, your father comes in, sits on your bed, puts his hand on your knee and tells you there's been an accident. i couldn't believe. once my mother's coffin actually went into the ground. that was the first time that i actually cried. there was never another time. >> all through your teenage years, you didn't cry about it. >> nope. >> you didn't believe she was dead. >> for a long time. i just refused to accept that

she was gone. part of, you know, she would never do this to us, but also part of maybe this is all part of a plan. >> you really believed that maybe she had just decided to disappear for a hit. >> for a time, and then she would call us and we would rejoin her. >> how long did you believe that? >> years, many many years. william and i talked about it as well. he had similar thoughts. >> you write in the book, i would often say to myself first thing in the morning, maybe this is the day. maybe this is the day that she's going to reappear. >> yeah, hope. i had huge amounts of hope. >> wow. >> so katty kay, obviously very very sad recounting of that chapter of his life. there's obviously a lot in this interview, with the interview in britain, while harry says he didn't do anything or say anything that should hurt his family, i'm sure they would take

exception with a lot that he's saying. i'm curious what people in britain are saying. what's the reaction to these interviews and to the upcoming book? >> yeah, he was also doing an interview on british television and it was a lot more contentious than the one he did for "60 minutes" with anderson cooper, which is probably a reflection of where the british public is. i can't find anyone in britain with sympathy for harry, telling this story, the fact that he's making a lot of money, spilling the beans in public. he seems to be according to brits i have spoken to in the last couple of days, you know, on a mission to kind of damage the monarchy, and that is not going down well at all in the uk. particularly over this issue of racism and whether he's kind of rode back in the interview he did for the uk, whether he was accusing the british family of being racist over the birth of his child, and whether there

were questions about what color archie might be, and he was saying, no, it wasn't racism. it was unconscious bias, but that just isn't really washing in britain. look, this is terribly sad. that interview is sad, and his pain is sad. and the way this is all playing out in public is sad, and i keep thinking back, you know, joe, to when we were back in the uk for the queen's funeral, and this enormous outpouring of sympathy and empathy, and, you know, positivity for this woman who kept her thoughts to herself, and that was the role of the british queen. that's what queen elizabeth was so good at, and prince harry has gone in 180 degrees the opposite direction, and perhaps it's no surprise that the british public is going from one and then looking at the other and thinking hold on a second, there was the queen who we felt did us so well, and did her duty to the country for so long, and now prince harry who is spilling all of these beans in public, and it just isn't sitting well. >> so in a guest essay for the

"new york times" entitled "prince harry and the value of silence," patty davis, daughter of president ronald reagan tells of what she learned after writing a tell-all autobiography. she writes in part, my justification in writing a book i now wish i hadn't written was very similar to what i understand to be harry's reasoning. i wanted to tell the truth. i wanted to set the record straight. naively, i thought if i put my own feelings and my own truth out there for the world to read, my family might also come to understand me better. in the ensuing years, i have learned something about truth, it's way more complicated than it seems when we're young. there isn't just one truth. our truth. the other people who inhabit our story have their truths as well. years ago, someone asked me what i would say to my younger self if i could, without hesitating,

i answered, that's easy, i would have said, be quiet. not forever, but until i could stand back and look at things through a wider lens, until i understood that words have consequences, and they last a really long time. >> and of course, katty, patty davis had at times been seen as a tormenter of her parents, writing tell-all books and columns and grabbing headlines. so she knows of what she speaks, and i think, my gosh, i would have loved to have followed that advice myself, you know, if you could tell your younger self, be quiet. sit back, think, wait, say less, and i will say, you know, we're americans. we don't know prince william. i mean, we know none of the characters but just from a distance, i've always liked him, and i've always saluted his

service, always hated all that he had to go through in public. it was so heartbreaking. i will say, and again, this may just be my complete and total ignorance because i know the firm does not play nicely, and i know they have very sharp elbows, but i do worry about him, and i think, oh, my god, he's so young. this is going to be following him for decades. how does he get around this. i think that's my biggest concern right now. he's so young for an old man like me. and i hate to see this happening between any brothers. between any brother and father. between any families. >> yeah. >> i'm sure. >> yeah. >> the other thing i would say what patty davis says about perspective is very smart. he is right in the thick of this, this break up with his

family is very new. the queen has only just died. these wounds are ripped wide open, and give it some time. give it some time, and then see and perhaps some time for reconciling in private. i mean, he says he wants to reconcile, he wants it to be in private but he's writing all about it in a book. >> and, you know, katty, isn't it interesting that for all that people have commented through the years about, oh, the character of the british public, it's changed. maybe they don't want a queen that's so quiet and maybe they want sort of more confessional type monarchs who share more, no, they don't. this is a perfect example, like you said, the reaction in america is so different than the reaction in britain. in america, we're far more confessional. in britain, you, again, see, they still want monarch and leaders who, again, have discretion. >> yeah, and he's broken those

rules, and it hasn't won him any favors. his poll ratings are low. he says he's doing it to protect meghan. i don't think what he's written, what patty davis says, just because you write it in a book, you're not going to change people's minds. he might think he'll protect his wife and change the public's mind about his wife, i don't think this is going to do anything in terms of their standing in the uk. >> katty kay, thank you very much. >> you can certainly understand why he's doing it. i mean, the way he was paraded behind his mother's coffin at that extraordinarily horrible time, and he sees the same thing happening to his wife that he saw happening to his mother, you certainly can understand. >> there's responsibility to go around for the situation. you get a real sense that the press is a huge problem, and yet the firm is definitely entwined with the press. >> plays him. >> it's very difficult for a child to process. concerning developments out

of brazil this morning where chaos broke out after protesters stormed the capital of brazil after refusing to accept the transfer of power. government officials say they have regained control over part of the government buildings last night. nbc news correspondent marissa para has the latest. >> reporter: chaos in brazil as thousands storm the country's capitol protesting october's election results. supporters of jair bolsonaro unwilling to accept his defeat to luis ignacio lula da silva, promising harsh consequences, wreaking havoc in the country's congress, supreme court. secretary blinken tweeting in part, using violence to attack democratic institutions is always unacceptable. it's a scene all too familiar, two years after the january 6th

attack. only this time, brazilian lawmakers largely weren't inside, and brazil's new government is already in power. with lula's inauguration just one week ago. but fears of an insurrection never fully quelled. in the days that followed lula's win, bolsonaro protesters blocked major roads. they set vehicles on fire, while bolsonaro towed the line, never formally conceding to lula. >> was the writing on the wall that these events were coming? >> there was significant denial under the supporters of the defeated president. >> reporter: lula's first major test of his new presidency. >> the similarities between the riots in brazil and the january 6th attack are not a coincidence. throw his campaign, bolsonaro pushed misinformation about election security to his supporters. he repeatedly claimed that

brazil's electronic voting machines were prone to fraud with no evidence to support his unfounded claims. the strategy mirrors what donald trump and his allies did following the 2020 election. in some of trump's allies were also involved in spreading lies about the election in brazil, and have been advising bolsonaro and his son. bolsonaro's son eduardo who is a lawmaker in brazil and was in washington during the january 6th attack on the capitol met with trump at mar-a-lago after his father lost october's election. "the washington post" reported he was also strategizing with steve bannon and former trump campaign spokesperson jason miller. bannon's been talking about brazil for months, pushing conspiracies and calling for bolsonaro and his supporters to not accept the results of election. last night, bannon posted on social media quote lula stole the election.

brazilians know this. former president trump has not commented on the riots in brazil but he has expressed support for bolsonaro several times and took credit for helping him breach a runoff in the presidential election. crazy. joining us now founder of the conservative web site the bulwark, sykes, and james stavridis, chief international analyst for nbc news. thank you for joining us. >> i want to ask you personally, a lot of people are cynical about america. i know you're not. i know i'm not. i believe that we fed and freed more people than anybody else in the history of this planet and i'm damn proud of it. i'm proud of the fact that we tried to export freedom, and liberate europe from the nazis, from the soviets, and we've made mistakes along the way in trying to do that. but you've dedicated your life,

you risked your life for this american idea that this country is a city shining brightly on the hill for all of the world to see. and i'm just curious when you see a former american president and the thugs around him actually exporting fascism, my word, not yours, but i'm going to use it. are exporting any democratic movements across our own hemisphere. i'm wondering, how much does that hurt you. how sickening is that to you? >> it's a terrible thing to watch, joe, and i know this part of the world very well. before i was the nato commander, i spent three years as commander of u.s. southern command so i was in charge of all military activity essentially south of the united states. i've met with president lula on

many occasions. brazil is a big important country. it is a colos ses of the southern hemisphere. it has global strengths if being the largest agrarian nation, produces more food than any other. it's a remarkable place, so to see this nation where people typically get along, where people have the copa cabana feeling about their nation. to watch it rip apart, and did we plant those seeds is pretty terrible. joe, if you look at those images, they're eerie, just change out the brazilian flag and the american flag, and you're seeing 6 january again. yeah, that makes my heart hurt a lot, and to conclude on this point, what president lula needs to do, and by the way, two words for lula, authentic and

charismatic, he will meet this moment, i believe, strongly. but what he needs to do is investigate this deeply, have real accountability, keep the military on the sidelines, which he's done very well so far. but we need to do everything we can to support brazil's keyword here, democracy. >> democracy. and charlie sykes, i mean, we can talk about -- forget about talking about the country, let's make this a little more personal than us. let's talk about our former party, the party of lincoln, the party of reagan, the party of freedom, now the party of antidemocratic movements. you have cpac pushing conspiracy theories, and pushing antidemocratic movements in america, in brazil, in hungary, and you have donald trump's

team. and especially bannon, i mean, if you're in brazil, and you see this guy keeps getting arrested, keeps getting charged, keeps getting convicted, keeps getting sentenced and yet he's still out running antidemocratic movements across the world, you got to ask what the hell is going on in america? >> you know, i had the same thought that you had that we have gone from america shining city on a hill, exporter of freedom and democracy, to america providing blueprints in supporting insurrection. this is not theoretical. the role that the trump world has played in all of this is right out front. steve bannon has made no secret of it. january 6th was the blueprint for what is happening in brazil right now, and i wonder whether watching this, some people will get it. because there's nothing ambiguous about what's happening in brazil. it is a fascist attempt to

overthrow a democracy. it is an assault on democracy. but of course that's exactly what january 6th was. and i do think that it's going to be interesting to see, you know, what trump has to say about this if anything. but as you point out, the right has been embracing bolsonaro, it has been embracing viktor orban as closely as possible. it's an extraordinary moment, and it's an indication of america's changed role in the world, as long as it's in donald trump's shadow. by the way, you were mentioning a couple of things about our former party. i'm glad you highlighted the fact that the new house republican majority is going to be now targeting both u.s. defense spending, going after the military, and going after the intelligence community. i mean, this is a bizarre reversal and flex from the party of ronald reagan. >> it really is, and admiral, i

want to go to you in that in a minute because, again, they want to slash the defense budget. they want to declare ideological war on our intel community. china's celebrating that this morning. russia's celebrating that this morning. north korea and iran are celebrating that this morning. all of our enemies are celebrating what these republicans that the "wall street journal" editorial page has been criticizing. we want to get there in a minute, but we have a reporter with us to talk about joe biden's visit to the border. >> yes, president biden visited the u.s./mexico border in el paso, texas, yesterday, his first visit to the border since taking office. upon landing, biden was greeted by members of congress as well as texas governor greg abbott who handed the president a letter that details his requests and complaints of the administration's handling of the

border. the demands include that biden further work to detain and prosecute and remove more migrants as well as to resume construction of the border wall. >> but wait, republicans controlled the house and the senate, and the white house, they wouldn't do that. >> i know. >> so why do they want to do this now because lindsey graham and john cornyn and a lot of republicans were saying in 2017 and 2018 that that was a stupid idea. now that republicans aren't in charge, i don't get it. could it be cynical. >> biden assessed border enforcement operations in el paso, and met with community leaders who have helped manage the latest surge of migrants in the area. the visit comes as biden last week unveiled a slate of new immigration policies that will limit asylum claims at the border, while increasing the number of legal paths for some migrants to apply. meanwhile, new video obtained

exclusively by nbc news shows officers with customs and border protection and the city of el paso beginning to arrest migrants sleeping in the street outside of a catholic church and a bus station. that happened in the week before the president's visit. border agents can be seen patrolling the streets, flashing lights, and wrestling tents where people were sleeping. according to the person who took the video, up to 150 migrants were arrested in one night, and more were taken into custody later in the week. joining us now, nbc news homeland security correspondent julia ainsley. it's good to have you on. got a lot to choose from here, whether it's the video we're looking at and whether or not those laws were broken and the demand by the texas governor to the president. >> that's right, mika, i spoke with the man. it's a volunteer who shot this video and wanted to share it with the world. he said he was really struck by

the fact that it wasn't cdp walking up, speak to go a few migrants but really coming in in the middle of the night to show that they had a presence. this is just in the days leading up to president biden's visit to the border. i showed this same video to legal experts, to immigration advocates to see what they thought of it. they were struck as well, especially to the proximity of sacred heart church. it's a shelter where a lot of families unfortunately are sleeping on the street at night, but according to dhs's own guidelines, all houses of worship are safe spaces for migrants. and secretary mayorkas went a step further this year telling the men and women of dhs that even getting near a space like a church a courthouse might be a protected space, but he didn't define exactly where that barrier would be. some of those advocates say this could be in violation. we also heard the fear of a lot of migrants. there's one video where there's a pastor speaking in spanish as

he's trying to protect the migrants huddled behind him. let's take a listen. >>. [ speaking in spanish ] speaking . it is true, i spoke to a spokesperson, the majority of migrants or all who were arrested there had evaded apprehension.

they needed to be arrested and processed and it could be determined whether or not they get returned to mexico or they're allowed to stay here and seek asylum. >> it's jonathan. tell us more about the letter and the demands there from texas governor greg abbott, and we should note the stop at the border just one of two for president biden on this trip. he's now in mexico about to start the three amigos summit if you will with the leaders of canada and mexico. the migrant issue is going to dominate proceedings there as well. >> we know in the letter it's coming from governor greg abbott who has made attacking the president's immigration platform a corner stone of his platform. he says it was too little too late for president biden to come to the border. he has been touting how his own operation lone star using state resources have stopped a lot of drugs, a lot of migrants coming into the country. again, those are state resources they aren't supposed to be used

to be enforcing a federal immigration law. there's a lot of back and forth. a lot of actually ignoring of aboutt's demands by the white house because they think he crosses a line in terms of his own authority. as far as what's going on in mexico, couldn't be a more pivotal moment especially between u.s. and mexican leaders. as you know, last week, there was an announcement from the white house that 30,000 migrants per month from the countries of venezuela, haiti, cuba, and nicaragua will be turned back into mexico. that's a change. previously those nationalities could not be sent back into mexico. this is coming because of an agreement. mexico agreed to take those people back. it's hard for them because often times those nationalities can't be deported. their countries won't take them. mexico has to be able to find the resources, the shelters, to take those people in. they of course did come to this agreement because the u.s. is offering quite a bit of money to mexico. all of this just being announced as the president travels to

mexico city. we might be able to see what other agreements they come up with, especially as they have this looming deadline when this covid-19 restrictions could eventually lift after the supreme court rules and we know they will be hearing those arguments march 1st. >> nbc's julia ainsley, thank you very much for your reporting this morning. >> thank you so much. admiral stavridis, the southern border, what do we do? >> i'm always suspicious of easy solutions. to every problem there's a solution, easy, inexpensive and wrong. and what i mean by that is the idea that we're simply going to build a great big wall, and that will solve the problem will work, and by the way, the mexicans aren't going to pay for the wall either, just in case you were wondering. do we need to control the southern border? yes. but what we need to do is think of this as a non-silver bullet

problem meaning, yes, we need to control the border. that's resources to the border patrol, to cvp, to the u.s. military which can do backup functions on that border. we need to be working with international partners. in the end, all roads to controlling that border lead to mexico city. it's good that the president's going there, and then finally, joe and mika, public, private, we need to be encouraging business to be investing in creating real opportunity in many of those source countries. so you got to address the border, but you have to address the transit zone as well as the country's of origination. very important. >> admiral, let's circle back. we were talking earlier about mccarthy's concessions to a small handful of extremists. and i'm not talking about the people that we're talking about

regular order. i support that. i support a lot of things that some of the more procedural-minded things, but there are extremists who are demanding that they slash the defense budget, the "wall street journal" editorial page, no liberal bastian of thinking, defense is not a top republican target. the reality is that "wall street journal" writes if defense is cut, what will go first is spending for operations and maintenance, to sustain military readiness as well as money for weapons to deter china. it is worrisome that republicans are joining the progressive calls to shrink the military when the world grows more dangerous. also, of course, this group of republican extremists who now appear to have taken over kevin mccarthy's house now talking about going to war against the intel community, the very people who spend their days and nights chasing russian spies, chasing chinese spies, trying to figure

out north korea's nuclear program, how we protect ourselves from that. iranian terrorism, you name it, these people are spending their nights and days doing that. now, there's actually going to be a faction inside the house republican party that's going to spend their nights and days attacking our intel community. what's the impact of that on america's national security? >> joe, the key words from that "wall street journal" editorial are "as the world grows more dangerous." you don't have to be a ph.d. in international relations or a four-star general to observe that the world is getting more dangerous, not by the month, but by the day. look at what russia has done invading ukraine, in iran, they're hanging protesters from

cranes in the public squares. north korea will probably detonate a nuclear weapon sometime in the next month or two. and, yeah, job one is the intelligence community that can help us be prepared for that. don't forget, u.s. intelligence correctly called the invasion of ukraine, when a lot of people were doubting that putin would throw the switch. our cia made that call and kept that situation safer in the sense that we could get weapons there. so the front line are these intel professionals across the intel community. and behind them is the department of defense. to go after that in this moment makes no sense. >> really crazy. admiral james stavridis, thank you very much for highlighting that for us and for your analysis this morning. so as for the democrats, minority leader hakeem jeffries delivered a passionate floor

speech early saturday morning drawing a real contrast between the mutiny we saw play out among the republicans and the steadfast unity among the democrats. the american people understandably after the events of this week recognize that the congress is at a fork in the road. and are asking the question, what direction will we choose. i do not pretend to answer that question on behalf of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle. but we do extend our hand of partnership to you. and want to make clear that we extend and intend to try to find common ground whenever and wherever possible on behalf of the american people. i also want to make clear that we will never compromise our

principles. house democrats will always put american values over autocracy, benevolence or bigotry, the constitution over the coal, democracy over demagogues, economic opportunity over extremism, freedom over fascism, governing over gaslighting, hopefulness over hatred, inclusion over isolation, justice over judicial overreach, knowledge over kangaroo courts, liberty over limitation, maturity over mar-a-lago, normalcy over negativity, opportunity over obstruction, people over politics, quality of life issues over qanon, reason over racism substance over

slander, triumph over tyranny, understanding over ugliness, voting rights over voter suppression, working families over the well connected, zenil over xenophobia, yes, we can, over you can do it, and zealous representation over zero sum confrontation. we will always do the right thing by the american people. >> the constitution. >> the entire alphabet. >> the constitution over the cult. that was a good one. >> that was beautiful. >> that was as good as it gets. that sums everything up. joining us now, political strategist, and msnbc political analyst, juanita tolliver that sees in a new piece that the real winner of this house speaker fight is hakeem jeffries. also with us professor of history and american studies at yale, dr. joanne freeman whose new piece for the "new york times" is entitled "it's

tempting to laugh at mccarthy's struggles but history shows that this type of chaos is not a joke". and that's been a big part of the conversation as to whether this chaos is just, you know, the process, democracy is ugly or is it a signal of worse to come. >> yep. and we're going to find out very quickly today. juanita tolliver, thank you so much for being with us. you make a great point in that you'd have the chaos over the past four or five days on the republican side, and then a very clean view of what democrats stood for and what hakeem jeffries stood for. what a massive contrast. >> a massive contrast, and it's a contrast that democrats are going to continue to drive home for the next two years because we know the republican conference is going to continue to sink into this chaos. i love that clip that you all played of hakeem jeffries because he summed it up perfectly. he laid out every single way

that republicans will likely continue to fail the american public but drew the contrast for democrats, and that's one of his two mandates. the other mandate that he demonstrated perfectly throughout all fifteen rounds of voting is keeping the democratic caucus unified and what he showed is that this caucus is behind him. they respect him, and they're ready to fight the fight to protect the american people from what we know will be a destructive agenda from republicans. >> so professor freeman, good morning, jonathan lemire here. so as just teased your piece here suggests that some real chaos could be coming out of the tumult we saw in the fight for speakership that ended with kevin mccarthy, and could end today in the battle over the rules. tell us what history provides here and what you're concerned about how ungovernable the house republican party could be, and how that might mean trouble for the country? >> sure, when you look over the

long haul of american history and look for other contests, speakership contests that were like this one, it's not by accident that most of them are before the civil war. they're normally caused by party chaos in some way or another, and it doesn't have to be one party rupturing, it can be as in the 1850s, you have a lot of different parties, and in one way or another, it becomes difficult to elect a speaker. but what's interesting and what's different now for many cases in the 1850s. in those cases there was a clear issue at stake that was being debated and that was the issue of slavery. so, for example, in 1856 contest for the speakership, in the end, they took the three main candidates for the speakership, and they asked them explicitly to get up in front of congress and state their view on congressional legislation, on slavery. so they're you're having in a sense, a debate over policy, and

then you have people, you know, in congress in the house, are able to decide what they want in one way or another. what we saw here wasn't grounded that way. which isn't to say that the small group of people holding out don't have issues, don't have ideas that they would like to put in play. of course they do. but what we saw was a power struggle within the republican party. the question now is given the proclivities of that group of people and given that in many ways they're not necessarily friendly to the institutions of government, what happens next, i don't know. >> yeah, and charlie sykes, unfortunately, a lot of us don't know, and charlie, you and i and i'm sure some democrats could be very supportive of some of the procedural safeguards that are going to be put into effect that get us closer to regular order, that make the massive omnibus more transparent, give members

more time to read the bills. may allow more amendments on the floor. we'll wait and see if that happens. as we have been talking about all morning also, they're talking about going after the intel community, starting what they would call witch hunts, witch hunts against the very people who protect our country simply because, well, donald trump may have broken the law and they had to actually examine that and this comes, of course, after bar already let durham use the department of justice and all of its resources to strike out time and time again, as he undertook a war on the intel community. but now republicans coming back, doing it again, wanting to slash defense spending, you would think this would be something conservatives in the party would have a problem with. do you think we'll hear from any of them in the house? >> well, we'll find out today when the rules vote takes place, but, i mean, the real men of

political genius running the republican party are not going after the military and intel, now they're pivoting to threatening a debt crisis, and demanding cuts in social security and medicare. what could possibly go wrong with all of that. i think that the chaos that you saw in the house last week is just a small preview of what the next two years are going to look like. there are legitimate questions about whether or not the house of representatives will be able to execute its most basic functions. paying the bills. keeping the nation from going into debt default. all of those things that, you know, should be automatic. kevin mccarthy has created a situation where it's going to be very very difficult to just do the normal job of legislating. look, i think it's a good idea. legislatures should be able to read the bills. when you put three members of the freedom caucus on the rules committee, when you basically give a veto power to any individual in that caucus, it's

going to be almost impossible for kevin mccarthy to compromise, to negotiate, to make deals or to actually do the job of governing, and i think the people ought to realize that we're moving, as of today, it's not just about kevin mccarthy anymore. it is about how much chaos and dysfunction that we're going to be seeing in this country over the next few months, next few years. >> and with that, juanita, what's the challenge for democrats to try and maintain this level of unity moving forward, and take part in any type of legislating and governing? >> look, i feel like democrats have been handled a political foil that's going to run them into 2024 and show that they are the party of reason, they are the party of actually doing things for the american public, and so i think it's going to be about trying to put up safeguards not only in the house but think about democrats in the white house who are going to say to the american public, we're going to protect you from the extremist republican party. that is the frame i think we can expect to see from democrats.

>> political strategist, juanita tolliver, professor of history at yale, dr. joanne freeman, and founder of the bulwark, charlie sykes, thank you for being on this morning. and still ahead, a live report from beijing as china lifts restrictions on foreign travel for the first time in nearly three years. plus, the fda approves a new drug that may help patients with early stage alzheimer's, what this new development could mean for people with the disease. >> and former arizona house speaker rusty bowers who defied donald trump's efforts to overturn his state's 2020 election results has received the presidential citizens medal. he joins us ahead to talk about that and the response he's seeing. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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i've done a lot of running in my life. running to stay healthy. running to fight for my country.

running to defend democracy. oh, and by the way, that guy you're looking at, that's not me. that's our current u.s. senator josh hawley. this guy. or maybe you'd better recognize him running for his life a few hours later. this coward is always running from something and now telling a book telling us how to be a man. this is me why lucas kunce. running for senate. i did have a support of the community which made me what i am today. we deserve a u.s. senator to stand up for them. not run away. >> that is the new political ad from lucas kunce, first democratic challenger to stake on senator hawley of missouri in

2024. and lucas joins us now. >> thanks so much for being with us. it's an interesting timing. you're running against a guy when's proud of what he did on january 6. stirred up the crowds. i'm curious about the virus from the united states to brazil where we saw fascist violence and attempted insurrection there. does that go back to hawley? >> of course it does. missouri, we talk about a race where it's the front line for democracy. we have to hold that guy accountable for that virus as you put it would spread. it's embarrassing. the guy is a fraud and a coward. i led missions outside the wire

in iraq. if we had run from the face of danger we would have been straight-up court-martialed. when we're done with the campaign everyone will know it. >> how does this go over well in missouri that you have a guy that pushed for an insurrection, he fled, he ran -- tried to cover his own neck and then lied about everything about it. was contemptuous of attempts to get to the bottom of it. it seems to be the height of irony that in guy is writing a book on manhood. didn't seem to be an example of that on january 6. >> no. it is wild. right? this is the thing about

missourians. we are tired of politicians that do anything for their own power. he is skittering for the exit when things get real and tired of politicians that try to control their lives all the time. in the bedroom, the doctor's office and at work. he is trying to control what we are. it's weird, creepy and gross to write a book about masculinity and to tell everybody that they have to be made in your own image. he's vulnerable. >> lucas, tell us what inspired you to run unless it is josh hawley. >> no. this old neighborhood that i grew up in. my family had no money. working class family.

went bankrupt from medical bills and had a hard time and the people of the state took care of us. brought lasagna more than we could ever eat and passed the plate at my mom's prayer group. didn't have money to go to yale they made up scholarships for me. i've spent a life serving them and they deserve someone who cares for them to stand up for them. not run for the exit the first time things get real. >> this is what i don't understand. we have heard many democrats talking about this for sometime but become so obvious in the age of trump the people who protect the wall street bankers making sure that billionaires don't have to pay the same rate of

taxes that secretaries, janitors have to pay and then overseen a transfer of wealth from middle class america to the top .01% over the past generation and josh hawley like donald trump at the center of that. they help out billionaires and multinational corporations to keep as much money from not paying taxes as possible. how do you get that message to the people of missouri? >> that's absolutely right. that's why i keep saying that missouri is the front line in the fight for democracy. these phonies get away with that stuff. that's why josh hawley is a perfect person to run against. this is the show me state. he never had to run after showing people what he is.

a faker and a coward. so we have a real opportunity to expose him and to expose that movement. in missouri we have statewide democrats all the way up through 2016. we have been losing to the fake populists and with bals that ro, the world the opportunity to take him down and to kill that movement. it is absolutely critical to win here. >> lucas, good morning. jonathan lemire. there are some uphill challenges for a democrat running in the state of missouri. last year the republican was elected to the senate with a margin of 12 points. president biden lost in 2020 by 15. it is a state that has trended more red in recent cycles. how are you going to navigate that? in particular, how will you choose what to embrace and push away from the biden agenda?

>> yeah. so you mentioned missouri. i wouldn't say it's ruby red but a populist. that's why it's an opportunity to really push back against that fake movement. what you have seen over the last several states is citizens have been trying to claw back power. people are surprised but we passed a minimum wage that's $5 over the federal level which is praet impressive. expanded medicaid. we passed first medical marijuana and recreational. people are trying to claw back power but they need someone who they feel represents them with a lifetime of service to win over as a candidate. in 2016, jason candor, he lost

by 3 points. we can make up the margins as long as we have the right person. >> all right. democratic candidate forrist senate in missouri, lucas kunce, thank you. >> thank you for having me. all right. still ahead from car loans to krispy kreme, donny deutsch has the latest. >> kids love it. plus, a 12th person honored at the white house on friday. former arizona house speaker is the guest. also member of the intelligence and armed services committee senator king joins us on the heels of a meeting with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. but first, after 15, count them, 15 rounds of voting kevin mccarthy can call himself

speaker of the house. ryan nobles has the latest on the gop infighting on full display and what comes next. >> reporter: for kevin mccarthy now the real work begins. >> that was easy. huh? >> reporter: three days removed from the climb to the speakership facing a major challenge. the house is set to vote on a rules package filled with concessions to make to win over the rebel republicans. among them the opportunity for any member of the house to call for a vote to remove the speaker, creation of a broad investigation committee to reviewing on criminal investigation, and a requirement 72 hours to review legislation. moderates raising concerns that he gave away too much. >> i'm concerned that common

sense legislation will not get through to a vote. >> reporter: after the drama the gop claiming they are ready to work together. >> it is a tough job to get to 218 but i believe he is the right guy. >> reporter: endured 15 rounds of voting and matt gaetz refused to vote for mccarthy leading chair mike rogers to be held back. over the weekend they mended the relationship. >> people can have moments of fraus tradition but we had a six-year productive working relationship. >> reporter: and now mccarthy is left to make a way to be different from last week. >> mr. speaker -- >> prevent a situation like this this from happening on every vote going forward. >> by having this now we've worked out how to work together. >> oh my god. >> that's nbc's ryan nobles with

that report. >> doesn't feel right. >> there will be a real test of that today because again i know there are a lot of people in the republican caucus not conservative. i am. as a conservative -- there is still obviously conservative people at "wall street journal" editorial page. we conservatives are concerned with the radicals, the freaks, the wingnuts that want to slash defense spending at one of the most dangerous times of our lives. but these freaks, these insurrectionists want to slash the defense budget and go to war with the intel community to keep us safe as they tried to track down spies and try to stop

iranian terrorism, stop chinese espionage, stealing from the defense industry, from our businesses. i could go down the long list but this is what they want to do. they also want to have the right to actually -- what was it? review ongoing criminal investigations. there are members of the house that are still under criminal investigation. so they want to be able to open up those investigations and report back? they want to get intel, top secret intel and pass it around the caucus. these are such egregious moves, such dangerous moves putting america's national security at

greater risk. how do they get republican unanimity on that? >> it would seem when china is looking at taiwan and we have the largest war in europe since world war ii probably not the popular time to go to war with the intelligence agencies but that is what some want to do and spin there from now speaker mccarthy claiming since the fight we know how to work together. from gaetz saying that he and rogers are now pal. rogers restrained so he wouldn't have a brawl with gate right there on the house floor. bringing it to the world. it is a preview how messy these next two years are going to be. over -- there's no guarantee the rules package will get done

today. there is some doubt this will finish up. we know that there are some significant things looming. funding the government, the debt ceiling chief among them. moderate republicans arne and the white house nervous. >> is mike rogers going to cut defense spending $75 billion? going to vote to go to war against the intel community? as chinese spies and russian spies and iranian spies try to make america weaker, more dangerous place? mike mccall allowing $75 billion in defense spending to be slashed? are those republicans that served this current proudly in

iraq, in the united states military going to support $75 billion slashes, in cuts to america's defense budget, to the united states military? i just -- how does that happen? i don't see that happening. are they really -- are there really not five or six republicans who think it's a bad idea to go to war against america's intel agencies? >> they may not. there's doubt here this will happen as kevin mccarthy thinks. it is yet again the imprint of donald trump on the republican party. we know how suspicious he was of the u.s. intelligence agencies. attacking them. trying to bring back the u.s. military footprint from the world. so that's the strain here that's contaminated part of the republican party is a legacy of

trumpism. we could have a messy week ahead on the hill. >> i agree. i don't think that's over. >> by the way, we don't have to try to imagine what donald trump would do as a president. vladimir putin rolled in to ukrainian with that invasion. donald trump said he thought putin was brilliant. he thought the invasion was brilliant. >> this all helps trump. not that he will necessarily have a successful campaign again but this chaos is what he is always hoping for. >> again, if you are slashing the military at the most dangerous time for america and declaring war on the intel agencies. do you trust vladimir putin or your intel community more? donald trump picked vladimir

putin. the former kgb agent. >> incredible. >> it hurts -- everything i said hurts the republican party. sets them up for defeat in 2024. when will they get smart and wise up and going to self correct? >> that fight playing out on capitol hill president biden on friday was really putting on full display a contrast presenting 14 people with the presidential citizens medal for their role in protecting our democracy from the attacks from donald trump and his allies around the 2020 election. >> daniel hodges sprayed with poison, pinned and crushed. after it was over he was asked what he had been fighting for. his answer was democracy!

former metropolitan police officer michael fanone at a moment of crisis asked to do undercover work elsewhere. but he answered the crisis call of our nation at the capitol. officer acting with valor to defend the institutions and the people. officer edwards knocked unconscious with traumatic brain injury. she got back up to help hold the line. sergeant aqinino trying to keep insurrectionists from entering from the balcony. blinded with a laser. speared with an american flag pole. the flag he sboer to defend. officer eugene goodman risked his own safety to distract the charging group.

he said the duh city to serve and protect. officer sicknick, who be receiving this medal posthumously. he lost his life after protecting the citadel of democracy. officer eleven levingood worked nearly nonstop on the days that followed. he lost his life after protecting the democratic institutions he learned to revere growing up. officer jeffrey smith, who will be receiving this medal posthumously, as well, part of the first line of officers who entered when the capitol was breached. assaulted many times. but last time with a metal pipe. officer edwards killed defending

a check point to go through to get up to the capitol because of these god awful sick threats that continued to move forward. despite it all ruby freeman and shaye moss testified to the country and the world about the experience to set the record straight about the lies and defend the integrity of the elections. albert smith. he was harassed and threatened as he did his job faithfully. he did not bend. he did not bow. he did not yield to the political threats and pressures. officer benson refused to back down. did the duty and oath full of integrity. she is a true leader in the nation. rusty put the obligation ahead of effect refusing intense political pressure to desert if

i the 2020 election results. the courage is probably why he lost the primary last year. rusty, you are an example as a demonstration to every young man and woman who integrity is all about. >> former arizona house speaker rusty bowers joins us now. he refused to cower to trump world's attempts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. >> mr. speaker, thank you for being with us. what were your thoughts as you were there with the president receiving the award? >> well, it was all kind of surreal. i get a little bit choked up. >> wow. yeah. >> as you put up -- like,

levingood the spouse of the officer. they were great people and being there was a great honor. >> you know what? we comments on time and again, mr. speaker, i think is beautiful out of this chaos over the past several years is that this country would not have been saved with just democrats but with democrats and republican election officials in michigan, by republican governors in georgia and saved by speakers like yourself and federal judges appointed by trump, by obama. this was a bipartisan effort to save american democracy, wasn't it? >> i don't know that anybody

said let's save democracy. we all took an oath. we all said this is my job. it's important. how mundane it is doesn't really matter. every piece of the puzzle is important. shaye and ruby, what great friends they have become. we all do our jobs when we are supposed to because we swore to do it. that the constitution is what we said we would defend and we all did it. i'm grateful to the president for having the opposite view presented in a dramatic way that there are regular people across the country, both parties or no party at all that respect the institutions that hold this place together.

>> what a great example. you bring up shaye and ruby. unlike you and unlike police officers, unlike those that chose public service these were private citizens that wanted to help out on election day and the threats received was horrific. i wanted to go back to you talk about your faith. what a key role your faith played in you not just going along and submitting to the powers that be. you taking a stand for what you believed was right. could you talk to us about that? >> well, i am a believer. and my whole life. my father was a marine in world war ii. all of his broefrs except one who was too old.

nine in all. as we grew up the family had family prayer. he was a marine di. you can imagine sometimes he was a little hard to get along with. there was an expectation of us to stand up. to not be -- to not fall down. on the football field he said i never want to see you sit down on the bench. you stand up. he was a great athlete. jackie robinson, good friends. he was -- so, that thing they taught us we have -- i believe it. i tried to practice it and tried to teach my kids. i was just thinking a threat. we got 20,000 emails a day for weeks and not kind. one of them, the guy curses me grossly and then says your

children will never feel safe another day in their life. i thought these are on my side. it's -- this -- i have had it from both sides through the years but there's a group of people that say that we will stay with it, stay with the ship. that stuff you reviewed earlier, we are good pals. we'll be kissing up the rest of the session. i know that's not true. i'm ashamed of some of those guys the way they acted. they believe in a majority rule until they can leverage the majority. >> it is shocking like you said. it is shocking when it comes from your side, shocking when it comes from friends, when it comes from some family members. people who know me since the day

i was born embracing others that spread lies that i'm a murderer, constantly attack me. i don't take that personally but it does make you think how powerful that cult, the calling of the cult is over the united states constitution which is what, of course, people on our side, the republican side, used to say was the most important thing. carry the constitution in the pocket. now doesn't matter. it is the cult over the constitution. >> i wonder, speaker bowers, if you after seeing the republican counter parts acting the way they were as you were at the ceremony at the white house are you hopeful for our democracy? >> i am. and again, give me an

alternative. which place we want to go. i had there with me the ambassador of kazakhstan. they live right next door. and -- and i thought, wow. where else are we going to go and feel any level of security. we make it by our choices. we choose to be civil. civilization chooses to be. and when i see what happened -- i'm just glad there was relatively 200 of the others that weren't that way. there's a herd thing. let's move together but doesn't undermine there's important issues to make.

we want them to choose to be civil and to work together. >> all right. former arizona speaker of the house bowers, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> i share your optimism because of people like you. thank you. >> thank you. now the war in europe where the conflict stretched into the second week of 2023. members of senate met with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. senator king said while there he was impressed by the level of accountability of the assets and joins us now, a member of the senate intelligence and armed services committee. thank you for being on this morning. it is good to see you.

happy new year. tell us more about your trip. >> first, i have to say how much i admire speaker bowers. america is worth it he said. that is inspirational. the trip was inspirational. it is not easy to get to kyiv. you fly into poland and a ten-hour overnight train ride and then full day of meetings including with president zelenskyy. one of the parts of the mission for me is accountability. we spend a lot of money defending ukraine as we should and i argue that with all comers but we have to ensure it is spent well and that's what i was focused upon. i raised it with president zelenskyy himself.

i said if have a scandal and misuse the resources it is going to sink the support in the u.s. we had a later meeting with the defense and government 0 officials. they do details. we are sending an inspector general from the pentagon and i came away very impressed by the level of accountability going on and people saying we are wasting the money. i would urge them to look for themselves or to sit down with people in the state and defense department. accountability is a big part of the project. >> let me ask you how the war is going itself as we -- from what we see, the reports from the war zone, from the reports we read seems to be a tale of two wars.

the terror style attacks. the indiscriminate becoming of civilians of vladimir putin. and then the war on the ground looking like the ability to win the war of vladimir putin is closing by the day. the ukrainians continuing to strengthen their positions. tell us, what was your assessment as you got back on to that train and coming back to poland and back to the united states. how is the war going? >> you put it just right. there are two wars. one is a brutal trench warfare in the east. slow going. there's a town where there's a huge battle going on. people are dying every day. it is a very tough slog. it is essentially a stalemate right now. both sides are trying to do

something about it and are trying to move one way or the another an and reason we spent bradley fighting vehicles as a set of support because that's going on down in that eastern part of the country. the other war is putin's war on civilians. i was at the headquarters of the electrical system in kyiv which was struck. it was bombed to keep people from electricity. another problem that we don't know much about here is district heating in many places in ukraine which means instead of a furnace in the home there's a central heating area to heat buildings like that and trying to strike that. when we were there it was very cold. i can tell you that. it is two wars and it is -- but

let me end with this. putin's last gasp is dividing us. that's his goal. that's -- he knows that he's not going to be able to beat the people of ukraine if the west is supplying them. what he is trying to do now is divide us. that's what bothers me is hearing this crowd in the congress talking about cutting off aid. helping our own first people. they die for our values and if you don't stop dictators they will keep going. you don't have to go back further than 1938. so this is a -- where the rule of law and democracy is being fought out and the people of ukraine are on the front lines. we need to continue to support them. >> senator king of maine, thank

you very much for being on. it is good to see you. we appreciate it. >> thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," in an echo of the january 6 attacks supporters of brazil's former president stormed government buildings. we'll look at how donald trump and the allies stoked the chaos there. house republicans appear to have put defense spending on the chopping block. "wall street journal" editorial board has some thoughts on that. you're watching "morning joe." ♪breeze driftin' on by...♪ ♪...you know how i feel.♪ you don't have to take... [coughing] ...copd sitting down. ♪it's a new dawn,...♪ ♪...it's a new day,♪ it's time to make a stand. ♪and i'm feelin' good.♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd... ...medicine has the power to treat copd... ...in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler,...

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in brazil yesterday thousands of supporters of the former president bolsonaro breached government buildings. video shows the moments they stormed brazil's presidential office building and supreme court. the chaos one week after the

inauguration of president desilva but a day where there was no official proceeding takes place. the presidential election was certified and neither the congress or is supreme court in session. by 5:00 p.m. riot police and security retook the supreme court and the presidential palace an hour later. "the washington post" reports a visibly angered lula condemned the invaders as fascists and blamed bolsonaro to encourage the attacks questioning the integrity of the process. the regional governor said 400 rioters have been reesed. thap loaded to buses and driven away by police. you notice some similarities?

>> yeah. the similarities in brazil and the january 6th attacks. >> not a coincidence. throughout the campaign bolsonaro pushed questions. repeatedly claimed that brazil's electronic voting machines prone to fraud. >> where did he get that from? >> mirrors what president trump did following the 2020 election. some allies were involved on the election in brazil and have been advising bolsonaro and his son. his son eduardo who's a congressman in brazil and was in washington during the january 6 attack on the capitol met with trump at mar-a-lago after his father lost in october. "the washington post" reports he was strategizing with bannon and

jason miller. he tweeted this video of bannon speaking at cpac mexico. >> walk in the streets of brazil. look at the great patrick notes of brazil that at danger to themselves come forward in the streets of brazil. there's no better man on this globe and his father. in brazil it's beyond the bolsonaro. you didn't follow the constitution. used the machines and the judiciary to shut us down in the media. it is interesting to see how that plays out. same in the united states. people like kari lake will not give up. in the great fight for the cultural issues, the political and economic issues, once they take and digitizing the

elections and don't have proof of i.d., take it to the precincts and centralize it that's all done for one reason. to consistently steal elections. >> last night he posted quote lu la stole the elections. he's been talking about brazil for months pushing conspiracies calling for bolsonaro to not accept the results of the election. >> got to start in brazil. with the bolsonaros and the fight for freedom and the fight for sovereignty. the criminal lula, the partner of the chinese communist party is on the cusp with the aid and assistance of the united states government and national security apparatus that brag about the

cia going down there in the summer. >> all right. enough of that. we get the idea. >> we get the point. >> trump expressed support for the thugs several time. jamie raskin made a right comparison to brazil and tweeting the fascists modeling themselves after the trump's rioters must be in the same place. prison. >> it is just chilling. >> michael steele, if you are in brazil seeing fascists to undermine democracy in brazil how does he keep getting arrests and convicted and sentenced and keep like out of jail to export

fascism? that's part one. part two is -- i know you'll share my feelings as for me a former republican but we used to be the people that praised ronald reagan for talking about exporting democracy, calling the soviet union an evil empire. we heard the iron curtain fell and people whispering in the gulags there is hope. there is a president who understands what's going on and we have a chance to be liberated. that's where we used to be. now we after 240 years of exporting democracy from this country around the world, we're now through donald trump, we

have got supporting fascism, hatred of the press, of the courts. all the things that bannon was saying and the people of brazil picked up. >> you heard a lot of projection about the processes of election from a guy who was very much a part of fomenting insurrection here. we have seen it extend to organizations where they go out globally holding these big events to further instigate and install this mindset. to be honest, i was surprised what we witness now in brazil did not happen last fall after the election. i thought that there was a coordination to lead up to when

that election was called this type of rioting, very similar to what we saw on january 6th but you see now the pattern arne the predicate that elections, democracy, the process cannot be trusted. you feed this into a narrow funnel of thinking to people who in large measure not connected in. i would be connected how many participated and thought i will be going to jail today for this cause. folks get riled up. you are now beginning to see this. look for it to metastasize elsewhere which is important that global democracies and governments come together and nip this in the bud because it

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let me be very clear. we will use the power of the purse and the power of the subpoena to get the job done. >> this is from "wall street journal" editorial page considered by i think everybody to be one of the most sket conservative ed payerl pages in america. defense is now a gop target. this is from the editorial this morning. as we reported saturday speaker's kevin mccarthy deal

with dissenters puts defense spending on the chopping block. confirmed this in response to a question on fox news. the reality is the "wall street journal" editorial page says if defense is cut what will go first is spending for operational readiness and money to deter china. it is worrisome that some republicans are joining the progressive calls to shrink the weapons. we have china threatening taiwan. we have north korea openly saying they will continue nuclear tests with the hope to target the united states of america and the missile and

nuclear program is closer to doing that. people that put mccarthy over the top at the end want to cut military and go to war on the intelligence communities that keep us safe. >> right. i share your concern. let me tell you. this is something that's happening today. the rules package will be voted on today. this is not days and weeks to discuss this. exactly what you talked about. there's going to be a plan to slash the defense budget by as much as $75 billion. a notion of a new subcommittee under judiciary church like commission as the right wing of the gop is calling it to look at the weaponization of the federal government. this is performative theater. when we need fbi agents to be

looking for terrorism. they will be caught up in this theater and concern this is. time is of the essence. there are smart, responsible, conservative republicans out there who care about national security and the question is as this vote comes today do they have the moral courage to stand up? you have don bacon a former brigadier general in the air force. tony gonzalez in texas who said he'll vote against rules. will they say hold on a second? there's a national security question. there are responsible republicans out there. the question is will they speak 0 up today? coming up, will the markets pick up where they left off on friday? the dow surged.

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prince harry's tell-all memoir is set to be released tomorrow after it leaked on thursday. the book's title, "spare," refers to a phrase that harry writes king charles used to refer to harry, his second son, as his spare or backup heir, since he'd already secured an heir in harry's older brother. a physical altercation between harry and his brother, harry's admission that he killed 25

people in afghanistan, and a claim william and catherine, then william's girlfriend, encouraged him to dress as a nazi at a costume party, are all revelations included in that memoir. both kensington palace and buckingham palace declined to comment on the allegations in the book, ahead of tomorrow's release. prince harry sat down with "60 minutes" to discuss some of the explosive details. here's what he had to say about his relationship with his brother. >> i don't see it as cutting at all. you know, my brother and i love each other. i love him deeply. there has been a lot of pain between the two of us, especially the last six years, none of anything that i've written or anything i've included is ever intended to hurt my family, but it does give a full picture of the situation as we were growing up. and also, squashes this idea that somehow my wife was the one

that destroyed the relationship between these two brothers. >> prince harry also spoke about the death of his mother. >> i was in shock, you know, 12 years old, sort of 7:00, 7:30 in the morning, early, your father comes in, sits on your bed, puts his hand on your knee and tells you that there's been an accident. i -- i couldn't believe. once my mother's coffin actually went into the ground, that was the first time that i actually cried. there was never another time. >> all through your teenage years, you didn't cry about it? >> nope. >> you didn't believe she was dead. >> for a long time. i just refused to accept that she was gone. part of, you know, she would never do this to us, but also, part of, maybe this is all part of a plan. >> you really believed that maybe she had just decided to disappear for a time? >> for a time, and that she would call us and we were going to join her.

yeah. >> how long did you believe that? >> years. many, many years. william and i talked about it, as well. he had similar thoughts. >> you write in the book, you say, i would often say it to myself first thing in the morning, maybe this is the day. maybe this is the day that she's going to reappear. >> yeah, hope. i had huge amounts of hope. >> so, katty kay, obviously -- >> wow. >> -- very, very sad recounting of that chapter of his life. there are obviously, though, a lot -- in this interview, a lot with the interview in britain. and while harry says that he didn't do anything or say anything that should hurt his family, i'm sure they would take exception with a lot that he's saying. i'm curious what people in britain are saying. what's the reaction to this -- to these interviews and to the upcoming book? >> yeah, he was also doing an interview on british television, and it was a lot more

contentious the one he did, "60 minutes" with anderson cooper, which is probably a reflection of where the british public is. i can't find anyone in britain that really has any sympathy for harry and the way that he's telling this story. either for the fact that he's making a lot of money out of it, or the fact that he's youtube, spilling the beans in public. he seems to be, according to brits that i have spoken to in the last couple of days, you know, on a mission to kind of damage the monarchy. and that is not going down well at all in the uk. particularly over this issue of racism, and whether -- he's kind of rode back in the interview that he did for the uk, whether he was accusing the british family of being racist over the birth of his child and who -- and whether there were questions about what color archie might be. and then he was saying, no, it wasn't racism that he was accusing them of, it was unconscious bias. this is terribly sad. this is like -- that interview

is sad and his pain is sad. and the way this is all playing out in public is sad. and i keep thinking back, joe, when we were back in the uk for the queen's funeral and this enormous outpouring of sympathy and empathy, and you know, positivity for this woman who kept her thoughts to herself. and that was the role of the british queen. that was what queen elizabeth was so good at. and prince harry has gone in 180 degrees the opposite direction and perhaps it's no surprise that the british public is going from one and then looking at the other and thinking, hold on a second, there was the queen who we felt did us so well and did her duty to the countries for so long, and now prince harry, who is spilling all these beans in public. and it just isn't sitting well. coming up, a live report from the u.s. border with mexico. nbc's kristen welker is covering the president's trip and she joins us straight ahead on "morning joe." s trip and she joins us straight ahead on "morning joe." get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day.

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supporters ahead of january 6th, has been pushing the same tactics in south america. and it all came to a head yesterday in brazil. with supporters of the country's former president storming the presidential palace and the halls of congress. we'll have more this hour on the maga-influenced riots. plus, kevin mccarthy finally set to begin his term as speaker of the house, as the "los angeles times" notes, quote, he wasn't forsaken in his quest, but his dream came at a humiliating cost that called into question his hold over the party. we're going to look at the concessions he made and what they mean for the country. also this hour, the latest from president joe biden's first visit to the border since taking office as he faces more pressure to address the humanitarian crisis. we'll get a live report from el paso. and what do c-span, danish banks, and donuts have in

common? >> those are good questions. >> they're all part of the latest installment of brand up, brand down with donny deutsch ahead in this fourth hour of "morning joe". >> is that a venn diagram? >> that's donny with his cheesy grin. really quickly, january than lemire, last day of the nfl season -- it was very distracting zooming in on donny. last day of the nfl season, looking at some of the west coast teams, these are hard, obviously, in the west coast. >> it is 6:00 on the west coast. but one of the big games for everybody across america had to do -- seattle and the rams. what a game! i mean, the rams gave them a lot more than they expected, but baker mayfield underthrew his receiver late in the game, or else the rams could have pulled out that upset. as it is, seattle going to the playoffs. the niners, of course, going to the playoffs, looking strong. chargers going to be heading into the playoffs. you look at all of those teams

and niners look really tough, don't they? >> yeah, another thorn in the side of poor jets fans, who have to see geno smith, who never had success here, take the seahawks. a surprising seahawks team in the playoffs. the seahawks, after jettisoning russell wilson, their quarterback for so many years -- >> and purdy -- >> mystery irrelevant. it is just amazing how well that guy is playing. san francisco 49ers, i know peter king earlier this morning was talking about that he thought the two best teams might be the niners and the bengals. i'm looking, i'm looking for a rematch of the niners against the chiefs. those are just two great teams. and what a contrast. they've got one of the greatest quarterbacks in football going up against mr. irrelevant. and unbelievable. that would be a hell of a

matchup. >> brock purdy, brand up. we can all agree on that. he is mr. irrelevant. the last pick in the draft. he's 6-0. he's back there with the poise of a five or six-year starter. he's barely even had to sweat. a little bit in that raiders game last week. he's been great. the niners have the best defense in football. it's hard to pick against him in the nfc, particularly because the eagles have come back down to earth. and certainly, mahomes, as you say, mahomes is just so effortlessly brilliant. and whether it's him or josh allen and the bengals, that would be a fantastic super bowl. >> by the way, while we're talking about west coast teams doing a deep dive to a couple of nights ago, the raiders, who i actually thought after they fought the 49ers so well, raiders hit a speed bump on saturday night. that was kind of ugly, but again, that may be a quarterback in the future there, that may have just been a great chiefs team that's really hitting their stride as they go into the playoffs. but again, mahomes had everything -- watch this pass!

a little flip, right there. what do you do with this guy? i mean, come on! >> you don't. he invents ways to score. he plays the position like no one else ever has. and he's so fun to watch. yeah, look, the chiefs have stumbled in the playoffs the last couple of years, but they go into the top seed, they have home field, and you made a good point about the raiders. i could see that team, which has a lot of weapons being an attractive landing spot for a veteran quarterback, who maybe hits the market, whether that's jimmy garoppolo or even one tom brady if he keeps playing next year, as well. >> good question. all right, president biden visited the u.s./mexico border in el paso, texas, yesterday. his first visit to the border since taking office. the president assessed the border enforcement operations in el paso and met with community leaders, who have helped manage the latest surge of migrants in the area. joining us now, nbc news chief white house correspondent, kristen welker live in el paso,

texas. kristen? >> hi, mika, good morning to you. well, president biden is in mexico today. he's going to be holding urgent talks on climate change and the economy. but the most pressing issue will be the crisis at the border. here in el paso, migrants finding various ways to get over or under this fence behind me. all of it creates a fraught backdrop for the president's first face-to-face with the border. president biden touching down in mexico overnight, after visiting the southern border for the first time since taking office two years ago. while in el paso, the epicenter of the ongoing migrant crisis, mr. biden met with border patrol officials and toured a services support center, though he did not directly meet with migrants. when asked what he learned? this high-stakes trip comes amid a surge in migrants nationwide. border patrol says it stopped a record 2.6 million migrants

crossing illegally last year. as soon as he arrived in el paso, the president was met with criticism from all sides. texas republican governor greg abbott handing the president a letter on the airport tarmac, blasting mr. biden's policies as weak and arguing the visit came two years too late. >> he should have been down here from day one to fix the problem that he created. >> humanitarian groups say the president's new immigration policy could put more lives in danger. that policy seeks to expel 30,000 migrants a month, who unlawfully entered the u.s. from venezuela, nicaragua, haiti, and cuba. all of it adding to a tense backdrop in el paso, where migrants lined the cold streets outside of this church, like maria rodriguez, who says that she risked her life seeking a better life, fleeing violence in venezuela with her two children and a nephew. their harrowing journey lasted

four months and included hiding in a garbage truck for five days. >> five days hiding -- >> in trash. >> reporter: joe barrasso who lives in el paso says he empathizes with the migrants, but that his small community cannot support the surge and something needs to be done. >> what do you want to see? what do you want to hear from president biden today? >> i want him to do something about it finally, for sure. i want not just 50 promises. i want him to actually do something. >> reporter: now, guys, two senior administration officials tell me the president didn't meet with migrants while he was here because they'd already been processed at that aid center that he visited. but important to point out, just, look, just a few blocks away from that aid center was that church where you had migrants lining the streets. and just underscoring how tense the backdrop was, six migrants were arrested before the president's arrival, opening up law enforcement to all sorts of criticism that they're trying to sanitize this crisis. they forcefully deny those

claims, but all of this, all of this will be front and center in mexico today. mika? >> all right, nbc's kristen welk wesh thank you so much. >> thank you, kristen. >> live from el paso, we greatly appreciate it. jonathan lemire, first of all, what can we about the texas governor? what can we say about greg abbott. here's a man who has been busing migrants -- >> lying to them. >> -- sending them all over the country, using human beings as political props. christmas eve, migrants on christmas eve dropped outside the vice president's residence in t-shirts, in freezing weather. this is the same greg abbott that you -- you know, first of all, he bitches and whines about joe biden not coming down to the border. joe biden comes down to the border, he uses it as an excuse to bitch and whine. and let's just say it, i hate to say it, but he's just lying. he's lying through his teeth, when he says, this is a crisis of his making, this is a crisis

that started with him. biden, has he been good on the southern border? nope, he has not. i've said it here time and time again. my opinion, nobody else's on the show, they can speak for themselves, he's mishandled it, but guess what? i know nobody's ever heard this before, but migrant crossings across the southern border were at a 50-year low under barack obama. this crisis started when donald trump got into the white house. that's when the number of migrants exploded across the border. and of course, trump responded in the most inhumane ways, and now it's only gotten worse. this year was the worst year. and something needs to be done. so, i'm just saying, listen, biden -- i've criticized joe biden for his policies, but if i'm the governor of a state

that's asking for help from the federal government, the last thing i do is showboat handing him a letter. what are we? what is is this? fifth grade. hand him -- here, mr. president, i wrote you a letter. no, you take him into a back room, you sit there and you talk, you say, these are things that we need. let's work together -- >> well, that's if you're serious. if you're actually serious about it. >> which is, of course, the whole point of this. and i know of what i speak. i've seen republicans who have loathed democratic presidents and democrats who have loathed republican presidents. i have seen them go into back rooms during hurricanes, during national emergencies, work together come out and say, we may not agree on everything, i wish the president would have come here a little earlier, but let's get working together. greg abbott's acting like a clown. he doesn't want to do that. he doesn't want to fix anything.

he just wants to hand out letters and then have press conferences and it's all virtue signaling. it's all performance signaling of -- for a crisis that was actually at a 50-year low under barack obama. you can't blame this, you can't blame this on democrats. this is owned by republicans and democrats. and republicans and democrats need to work together on it now. >> and there's a common thread between abbott ambushing the president on the tarmac with a letter and the stunts of sending migrants to various northern cities, including the vice president's home and the frigid temperatures on christmas eve. that's playing to the cameras, that's playing to that audience on fox news. that's playing for the republican base, and potentially, his future national ambitions. that's what we're seeing here from governor abbott. and certainly as you say, this is a crisis that really exploded under biden's predecessor, donald trump. and there's push and pull, the reason why these migrants are leaving the home countries. the reasons why they want to be here, certainly something has to be done at the border. white house officials

acknowledge that. they have said privately, they know this is a problem, that the title xlii extension bought them some time, but they need to have a real solution there. we have senators from both parties heading to the border this week. they'll be talking and get a look at things. they'll be talking about it, as well. it's hard to see really an appetite or political will for a comprehensive immigration deal, but certainly there will at least be an effort to make one. and this white house, they know is just a first step, as was, of course, the president in texas yesterday. he's on to mexico today, where he also will address there the head of -- the president of mexico, talking about some of the reasons why these migrants are crossing the border. so they're trying to get their hands around this, but they know this is a real problem and not getting any better. >> yeah, and he started lite, there's no doubt about it. he started lite. but you need to work together with a president, whoever it is, republican or democrat, to work on the crisis. and so, now joe biden is getting hammered from the left, he's

got -- he's getting hammered from the right. just got to keep his head down and keep working on it, because we have to have order at the southern border. this is a humanitarian crisis that is impacting migrants, first and foremost. and the answer to that, my friends, the answer to that is not to keep encouraging more migrants to come into a system that is already so overwhelmed that there is human suffering on a massive scale. there have to be laws. they have to be applied in a humanitarian way. and it needs to be fair >> and that's very difficult. >> a migrant coming from ukraine, a migrant that's coming from pakistan, a migrant coming from russia has the same process to go through as a migrant that's coming from the southern border. >> we'll be following this story, but this morning, also, the big story we're covering is

in brazil. it's a country in chaos right now after thousands of supporterings from former president jaer bolsonaro stormed the capitol, the presidential palace, and supreme court as well yesterday. brazilian officials say more than 400 people have already been arrested. the scene is eerily similar to the january 6th insurrection at the u.s. capitol. nbc news correspondent sam brock has the latest. >> reporter: the incredible scenes unfolding in brazil's capitol sunday. thousands of protesters confronting police, wielding makeshift weapons. smashing windows, storming brazil's congress, presidential palace, and supreme court. all of it eerily similar to one of the ugliest chapters in american history, the january 6th attacks. the protesters claiming the october election had saw left-leaning former president elise denasio lula barely

defeating bolsonaro was rigged. it was a claim bolsonaro has been making for months without evidence. lula promising to punish the demonstrators, calling them fascist and saying they did something that wasn't ever done in the history of this country. overnight, lula arriving at the presidential palace to assess the damage. federal police were deploying tear gas and flash bangs well into the night. officials say more than 400 people have already been arrested. those who follow brazilian politics say this felt almost inevitable. >> since january 6th, how much concern has there been in brazil that something like that could happen? >> because bolsonaro is a major friend of trump. trump is his idol. >> reporter: the protesters have received support from some trump allies, including former aide steve bannon who posted about it on social media, calling them freedom fighters. bannon was involved in the president's attempt to overturn the 2020 election and even predicted the chaos one day

before the capitol riots. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. >> reporter: meanwhile, global leaders quickly condemning the violent behavior in brazil, with president biden calling it an assault on democracy, and tweeting, brazil's democratic institutions have our full support and the will of the brazilian people must not be undermined. bolsonaro, reportedly in orlando since december, reacting to the riots on social media, tweeting, invasions of public buildings are outside the law. >> my goodness, that sounds just like donald trump. the whole thing sounds like donald trump. >> he's in florida! >> you'll remember, donald trump the day after was forced to condemn the rioters, condemn the insurrectionists. of course, he changed his tune later. but here, how sad it is, mika, that so many americans have served this country, they have fought and died for freedom. they fought to liberate europe from fascists.

they fought to liberate the world from soviet communism. and now you actually, from a country that's fed and freed more people than any other country in the history of this planet, you now have this group, this small group unfortunately around donald trump and donald trump i'm sorry that's exporting fascism. >> it's incredible. >> by the way, if fascism is not the use of violence to overturn democratic institutions, i just don't know what is. and they're not hiding it. they're not hiding their love for people like orban, who attacks liberal democracy, who attacks western democracy. they're not hiding the fact that they wanted riots in the streets of brazil. just like, they didn't hide the fact that they wanted there to be riots on january 6th. so this is again -- we wake up

this morning as admiral stavridis said earlier on the show, how extraordinary a former president is now responsible for the exporting of fascism anti-democratic movements to other countries. we'll turn now to washington, where after 14 failed votes and a very dramatic friday night on capitol hill, kevin mccarthy is the speaker of the house this morning. the california republican won the gavel late last week on his 15th try, after finally reaching a deal with the detractors from his own party that involved several major concessions to the far-right freedom caucus. let's bring in nbc news senior national political reporter, sahil kapur. his latest reporting is entitled, how kevin mccarthy got

the votes for speaker, and how it could haunt it. i would like to add, it could also haunt the country. explain exactly what he had to give in to become the speaker and how strong his role as speaker is. >> reporter: kevin mccarthy is now officially speaker mccarthy, but at what cost and what will it do to his ability to govern the house? mcmccarthy won the speakership on the 15th ballot after making a series of concessions to 20 ultra-conservative house republicans that critics say will make his job impossible. will make the house ungovernable. what did he give up? the house rules package, which is set for a vote later today has a number of these concessions. let's put them up on the television screen. they include, for starters, any one member can force a motion to overthrow the speaker and ultimately you need five republicans to go along, and mccarthy will no longer have the votes to stay there. the package assures votes on bills to curtail abortion, restrict immigration, to cut irs funding. there are a host of budgetary

restrictions here, a new provision that requires cuts for every new spending increase. a throe fifth votes to raise taxes. this is key, it constrains the options that the house has to raise the debt limit. this is a potential crisis in the making here. whatever mccarthy does, he'll have to get through a democratic-controlled senate and sign into law by president biden in order to avert a catastrophic debt default. there are a couple of select committees here. keep an eye on the last one here. a new select committee on weaponization of the federal government. this is likely to have some maga themes in this. now, this rules package is set for a vote later this evening, when the house returns to session. mccarthy has the same math that he did for the speakership. he can only lose four votes and a fifth vote would sink this package. already, there is some opposition in the house. congressman tony gonzalez of texas has said he's a "no" on the bill, worries that some of these budgetary restrictions will force cuts to military

spending, which he does not support. there's congresswoman nancy mace who represents a swing district around charleston, south carolina, who says he's concerned with some of the so-called backroom deals that mccarthy cut with these ultra-conservative holdouts. some provisions of this agreement, of these negotiations are not officially in the rules package. sources tell nbc news that house freedom caucus members wanted committee assignments, specifically three seats on the rules committee, which controls all bills that go to the house floor. if they get that and if the committee's makeup is as it has been in the past, it could make it very, very difficult for mccarthy and his leadership team to get to -- to just get floor votes on pil bills itself. this is set for a vote later today. and remember, the speaker vote is just the beginning. that is supposed to be the easy part. everything that comes next is much tougher, and i would brace myself for the next two years. it looks like it's going to be pretty rocky. >> i note that the committee on the weaponization of the federal government sure sounds like the

derm investigation. and we know that didn't yield much. but you mentioned it, that was the easy part. now it gets harder and we've been talking on the show a lot this morning. joe has raised a number of republican lawmakers who probably would be really reluctant to sign off on anything that would cut defense spending. in fact, a number which far exceeds the threshold for which mccarthy can lose and still get this thing passed. how nervous are they right now? what kind of whip count do they have? is this a sure thing to get done? >> it's not a sure thing, jonathan. i think we saw last week where kevin mccarthy, now speaker kevin mccarthy was quite confident from the beginning and we saw how difficult it was. i think it's going to be a very difficult world over the next two years, than it was the previous two years. democrats had an identically sized majority, yet former speaker nancy pelosi made it look easy. she had an iron grip over that caucus. she is known as a very intelligent legislative tactician, a strategic genius in

terms of internal machinations. kevin mccarthy is a lot of things, but doesn't quite have that representation. at this moment, we don't have reporting that says that the package is going down. mccarthy's probably in good shape at this time, but we can't make that assumption. to your point about the must-pass functions of government, yes, there's legislating that's somewhat optional, the irs agents that they want to rescind funding for, that's not going to get through by president obama. the government has to be funded and those are the kind of things that have to happen in conjunction with a democratic senate and the white house. and finally on the investigations, yes, house republicans, despite the narrow majority, will have subpoena power. they will have these gavels and the question is, how they use it. this committee on the weaponization of the federal government, what they're calling it, is something that i think a lot of the trump-aligned members are excited to use. there are themes about the deep

state and some criminal investigations, ongoing criminal investigations. you can guess which ones that house republicans want the look into, jonathan. >> all right, nbc's sahil kapur, thank you so much for your reporting. mika, i've got to say, some of these rules are the swampest of all rules i've ever seen in my life. think about this. you have members of congress, you have members of this party that are under criminal investigation. and so these swamp creatures say, now that we have power, we want to go in and use our power in the swamp to actually get into those investigations. and actually see what's going on in those investigations, which of course, which of course will tip off the members, the corrupt members who were under investigation. will tip off the other people under investigation. they want to use their power to attack intel agencies. now, why are these intel agencies under attack? they're only under attack, because they actually

investigated donald trump's wrongdoings, right? now they're saying, oh, it's used against republicans, how horrible -- oh, really? this is the same fbi that pretty much gave donald trump the presidency, that investigated hillary clinton's e-mails forever, investigated the clinton foundation, leaked that they were investigating the clinton foundation, leaked that they were investigating the e-mails over and over again. and then, released a letter ten days before the election, that allowed donald trump to get elected. so, this is what the fbi has done to democrats, the fbi has investigated republicans, as well. and so again, now that republicans are in power, they want to destroy the fbi. they want to -- what do they say? defund the fbi? defund the top law enforcement agency in america. they want to attack other intel agencies, like donald trump did,

saying he trusted vladimir putin more than he trusted his own intel agencies. these are the people that want to slash by $75 billion, the defense of this country. and some of the most dangerous times ever. it's a "wall street journal" editorial page said, that the reality is that if defense is cut, what will go first is spending for operations and maintenance to sustain military readiness as well as money for weapons to deter china and when they attack the intel community, republicans, if we vote for this, you're attacking the intel community and stopping them from being as effective as they need to be in chasing down espionage against the united states of america, from china, from russia, from iran, from north korea, from other countries that consider the united states of america their enemy. so if you want to slash

spending, if you want to declare war against the intel communities, i'm just telling you, i'm just telling you, it's going to cost you politically. and you can adjust now or you can adjust later, when you've lost the 2024 election. >> they haven't heard you in six years. >> oh, by the way, that's why you lost in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022. are you really going to repeat the same mistake and actually let joe biden be the person that saves u.s. military spending and defends america's intel community? the men and women that are pushing back against china, russia, iran, north korea, and other people who consider themselves our enemies? not a smart move. >> so in recent months, there have been large-scale layoffs for several corporate giants, as recession fears swirl. and some of the more notable announcements come from tech companies, such as twitter,

s.n.a.p., amazon, netflix, and salesforce. meanwhile, goldman sachs is expected to part ways with nearly 3,200 jobs, while mcdonald's is planning to cut some of its corporate staff globally, as part of a reorganization. let's bring in the co-anchor of cnbc's squawk box, andrew ross sorkin. andrew, should we expecting more news like this? >> we should be expecting, unfortunately, a lot more news like this, except for the fact that maybe surprisingly, the economy has held up quite strongly and the unemployment rate has gone down to about 3.5%. mika, i don't know if we can put that chart back up again, i want you to look down on to it to salesforce. it's an interesting number, because i think it's indicative of the larger situation, which is to say that they cut about 8,000 employees, if we could put it back up, you'll see it down there. i think it's about four up from the bottom there. it was at 79,000.

day took it down 8,000 and now sitting at about 71,000. however, pre-pandemic, they were sitting at 50,000. 50,000 employees. and there's already news this morning that salesforce may decide they're going to cut more. if you start looking at what employment looked like sirka february 2020, that may be the number to focus on. not across the entire economy, but for a lot of these tech companies, you mentioned goldman sachs, obviously, this is spreading into other places like mcdonald's, you're going to see that unemployment rate tick up. now, there's two pieces to this, you know, you look at what the white house and president biden has said, they've applauded these numbers. these look like great numbers when you're at 3.5% unemployment. but the bad news is that the federal reserve doesn't look at these numbers and say, this is such a great thing, because they say, this is why we have inflation. so that's going to be the

push/pull and the fight over the next several months. >> all right. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much for that report. and coming up, what do procrastinators, goldman sachs, and krispy kreme all have in common? they are on donny deutsch's brand up, brand down list and he joins us next to explain why. >> along with danish scientists in lab coats. they're putting this all together. in lab coats they're putting this all together ♪ ...i'm over 45. ♪ ♪ i realize i'm no spring chicken. ♪ ♪ i know what's right for me. ♪

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one he got inside, santos sat in the back of the chamber alone, yawning. >> i nominate kevin mccarthy for speaker of the house. >> byron donalds for speaker. >> reporter: a small group of right-wing members holding firm against mccarthy. >> a speaker has not been elected. >> mccarthy. >> part of the deal, that major concession by mccarthy to allow just one member to call for a vote to remove the speaker.

>> alabama's mike rogers in the spotlight. look at that. he had to be held back from physically confronting his gop colleague. >> finally, just around midnight -- >> gaetz? boebert? rosendale? >> present! >> present. >> and at last, a mccarthy victory. >> a few of the moments caught by c-span cameras last week during the battle over the house speaker's gavel. it almost got a little ugly there. >> it did get ugly. >> it did. >> what are you going to do? >> that leads us to brand up, brand down with donny deutsch. not ugly, but the c-span part. >> that was pretty rough. i will say, donny, you, though, while the rest of us have been looking at how this impacts america moving forward, how it impacts congress, how it impacts, well, just elections, in the future, you and your very

select danish scientists in their lab jackets have been working all weekend, putting together, again, this branding episode that you have here. brand up, brand down. so, let's start with brand up. who are some of the big winners from this past week. >> big brand up for c-span. we really got the see behind the scenes, the sausage being made. seeing matt gaetz and aoc talk to each other. their numbers were up 160% versus the opening of congress in 221. they had 380,000 households and it was really interesting, and i think c-span had a big week -- don't usually say this, but c-span had a big week. >> you know who have not had a big year? we've talked about elon musk. he lost 150 billion, maybe $200 billion. mark zuckerberg has lost well over $100 billion. let's talk about brand down. a lot of these can't-miss docs

during the pandemic are brand down. let's talk about google and meta, specifically. >> a real benchmark, for the first time since 2014, those two companies are not making up more than 50% of all of their digital ad dollars. in other words, in the past, 60, 70% of all ad dollars will be going to them. they're going to be below 54% this year. we always think, in a moment in time, companies will dominate forever. and you're starting to see major cracks in the armor of two of these household tech names. >> isn't that amazing? you're so right. my space in 2003 created 20 years ago, that was supposed to be the next big thing. it just went away in a couple of years after facebook came about. now you look at people questioning the future of tesla, to the just because of the twitter debacle, but also because they've got a lot more competition right now. but anyway, let's move on to what you call rich session.

what is richsession? >> this is something "the wall street journal" dubbed last week. usually in a recession, it's the lower and middle income that take the bigger hit. you did this in your last segment with andrew ross sorkin, because so many of the big layoffs are coming from the big tech companies, the average salary at meta is $270,000, the average at twitter is $230,000. interestingly enough, the lower fifth income levels are up 42% in the last three years, up 17% in the last year. this is a recession that interestingly enough for the first time might take its biggest chunk out of the higher income level people. which is interesting. >> and you had bitcoin and others. i mean, billionaires have lost billions. what about goldman sachs, speaking of the rich? up, down? >> brand down for the silliest of reasons. once again, andrew talked about layoffs there. they have laid off 8% of their force. they stopped serving coffee at work. talk about small-minded. let's not shed a tier for the

goldman sachs and brokers, what not. to take away coffee. goldman sachs, the gold standard. >> the humanity! >> what are you doing to these poor bankers! they need the coffee. >> that's the one thing they need. >> yes! >> you say car loans, brand down. what's that mean? >> interestingly enough, 16% of car loans this coming year, people will be paying $1,000 a month, almost one in five people's car payments. that's insane. $1,000 a month. the average car price is $50,000 now, so car loan payments through the roof, joe, i know you and your little 1978 vw bug, this is not really appropriate for you. but for the rest of us, something to think about. >> i have an old vw van and a scooter. that's all i've got. now, this next one is very personal to donny's scientists. danish banks. >> it's where they keep their money.

>> this is interesting. a little shout-out to denmark, not because of that are huge involvement, but last year there was not one bank robbery in denmark. think about that. the entire country, not one bank robbery. this is not just a personal thing where i kind of like to salute denmark, it's really happening. denmark is the place to be. it's also one of the happiest countries on the planet. >> so, donny, krispy kreme, i would argue, should always be brandup, but why'd it make the list this time? >> this is huge news for all of us. they are now going to have a 200 calorie donut. the average donut is 450 calories. there's a lemon, there's a berry. 200 calories. load up, no reason to put your krispy kremes away now. you can get them and keep -- still keep that slim waistline. >> second one in a row that pertains to mike barnicle, ballroom dancing is also in there. >> mike and ann are big ballroom dancers at home. ballroom dancing seems to fight off actually the -- just the

image of mike barnicle ballroom dancing. i can't get that out of my head. i can't stay focused. basically, they did a study and took a bunch of people over 65, put them on treadmills, put them ballroom dancing. they had better processing issues, works with the front lobe of the brain, fights dementia and alzheimer's, so let's all get out there and ballroom dance. >> we have one last one to cover. we will do it in a timely fashion. procrastinators, brand down. >> a study in sweden. it says that procrastinators have a 13% propensity for depression. they did a procrastination study. everybody got procrastination stores. procrastinators are people who are much more prone to depression. that's not good for me. >> i agree! >> and joe, before i go, i like to tell these personal stories. i was in dave and busters this weekend, and this little brother and sister from senegal came up from me. it's usually the scandinavians and once again said, thank you,

mr. deutsche. they had a translator with them, but they said, thank you, mr. deutsch, for all the work you do for us. >> donny deutsch, thank you very much -- cut his mic. >> it has to be hard -- he can't even into into dave and busters without fans coming up to him from all over the world. i always tell my children, on that procrastination thing, avoidance equals anxiety. >> yes, yes and yes. >> just do it. it is a huge problem. coming up, a last stand by a group of people to save their homeland from invaders using everything from drones to a media campaign to bring much-needed attention and assistance from the west to fight off their much larger enemy. but we're not talking about ukraine academy award-nominated filmmaker, darren aronofsky joins us next to explain. "morning joe" will be right back. ex nt to explain "morning joe" will be right back (cheering) love a bit of sand. expedia tracks the price of your flight,

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joining us now, producer and academy award winning producer, darren aronofsky, and the executive producer of the documentary, chi tarouy. darren, if we could start with you, why you chose to be a part of it? >> it started with alex, who is the director of the project and he came to us about four years ago and started to show us footage. and i actually could not believe that no one had covered this story because it's one of the most significant wars happening on the planet and it's getting very little coverage. the indigenous people there are on the front line trying to save our planet, and i was like, hey,

how can i help? >> alex, talk to us about the state of that fight right now. how much had been lost? is there a sense that maybe the tide is turning with bolsonaro's defeat? >> yeah, by the end of bolsonaro's administration, deforestation levels were at the highest point in the last 15 years. there is a bit of a sense of hope that with lula, that can begin to change. he's already made some changes to their government, created a ministry for indigenous peoples let led by an indigenous woman. so feeling is one of hope and that maybe we can build a different type of future. >> so, chi, i'm wondering what you are hoping a viewer who has never heard about this fight will take away from this film? first, thank you for inviting us. i hope that the

world can know us and what is going on here. no about our people, because we have a new government and we know that we we have building good environmental and to protect indigenous land and it is important not only to us indigenous people, but to the planet. >> the territory is streaming on disney. director alice and executive producer, thank you very much. darren, you have another film out that is getting a lot of oscar buzz. adopted forming 2012 play, the

whale stars brendan fraser as an english teacher living with severe obesity who is looking to make the most of little time he has left. here is a clip. >> i need to know. just to have a decent life. we should care about other people. other people care about her. she is going to be okay. >> i need to go. >> i have to go. she doesn't have anybody else. i need to know that i have done one thing right with my life. >> wow. that looks incredibly powerful. tell us more about it. i am really compelled by it. >> you haven't seen it yet? it is a good movie. please see in the movie. i am proud of this movie. of course, it stars brendan fraser, who we have all

forgotten about for a little bit, but he comes back in a storm and we are reminded about how amazing of an actor he is. doing that thing that has been missing from theaters for a long time is going to a theater and crying with a bunch of people. we have been really excited of all the texts we have been getting of people having incredible and emotional pour out from watching the film. >> is this a project you believed in from the very beginning? did someone have to talk you into it? >> i think it started -- it started as a play 10 years ago and when i first saw it, as soon as you see it, there are characters that you completely don't quite understand or expect to connect with. by the end, i was crying with an audience of strangers. i was filled with hope.

the potential of the human spirit is a great thing and a great challenge to bring to cinema, so i wanted to make it for a really long time, but it's finally out there. >> congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> it looks remarkable and i will go see it. i wanted to ask you darren and alex. this is an issue we have been hearing about for so long. i remember hearing him apart a song from the 80s talking about deforestation in brazil and the killing of people who tried to actually stop the deforestation and the land grabs. is there any hope? is there any hope that we can push back against this that has been going on decade after decade? >> i think so. it is not going to come from outside. the hope i have comes from

people who are using the tools available to them to fight back in powerful ways and harnessing media and the power of cinema and documentary to shed light on what is going on there. for me, that is where the hope lies. >> that is the incredible breakthrough that alex had while making. covid forced us to supply cameras to the local tribe and they told their own story, which is the first indigenous group told their own story and it was another exciting element of the film. it is on disney. >> again, the territory is streaming on disney and the whale is in theaters now. thank you very much for being on. >> thank you so much. up next, stories making front-page news. morning joe will be right back.

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the fda approves a new drug to treat alzheimer's. clinical trials show the drug could cause cognitive decline in patients. there is a risk of swelling and bleeding in the brain. the fda says the drug should only be used for patient early or mild stages of the illness. the agency says it plans to review phase three trial data soon. more than 7000 nurses in new york city at two hospitals are going on strike and it happened early this morning after the new york state nurse association project did a deal that would have provided a 19% wage increase and promised to hire more staff. the strike forced the hospitals to move patients to avert ambulances and scaled-back services. we will stay on that. a few seconds left. final thoughts as we look ahead to this week. on capitol hill, more chaos?

how long does kevin mccarthy speakership last? >> republicans are going to allow themselves to be set up. >> we have been hearing all morning, including from capitol hill the tactics are not shorten it. republicans are saying that before they lose mccarthy loses a couple more, it's not going to happen. >> again, how can they support slashing spending? again, you have america and a more dangerous place than it's been perhaps than any time. yeah, anytime since the cuban missile crisis because of nuclear threats against us. >> the conversation continues tomorrow. that does it for us this