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>> house democrats will always put american values over autocracy. benevolence over bigotry, the constitution over the cult. democracy over demagogs. working families over the well connected. yes, we can over, you can't do it, and zealous representation over zero sum confrontation. >> house democratic leader hakeem jeffries makes it sound as easy as abc. but after 15 tries it's kevin holding the gavel. we're watching the house floor as republicans try to get organized and what kevin's struggles mean for our democracy. also tonight, the nexus of insurrection. steve bannon and the others who cheered on the january 6th attack on the capitol are now exporting that brand of anti-democratic violence to

brazil. >> and that is where we begin tonight. with the notion of contagion. for most of the 20th century and into the 21st, the u.s. considered itself a leading if not the leading exporter of democracy around the world. and while that sometimes involved nefarious acts like overthrowing governments in iran, iraq, haiti, and throughout central and south america, promoting democracy is kind of america's thing. >> freedom is indivisible. >> no, democracy is not a fragile flower. still, it needs cultivating. if the rest of this century is to witness the gradual growth of freedom and democratic ideals, we must take actions to assist the campaign for democracy. >> it is the policy of the united states to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in

every nation and culture with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world. >> but a funny thing happened in 2016. a minority of voters in the undemocratic electoral college elected a political and social arsonist named donald trump as president. what happened next was entirely predictable. according to the advocacy nonprofit freedom house, the u.s. score in freedom in the world fell by 11 points on a 100-point scale in the decade from 2010 to 2020. with an accelerated deterioration of six points during the trump presidency. to be clear, the decline had already begun by the time trump became the president. fueled by legislative dysfunction, partisan gerrymandering, the excessive influence of special interest in politics, ongoing racial discrimination, and the spread of polarization and disinformation in the media environment. but trump absolutely made it

worse. then on january 6th, 2021, after a majority of voters declined to re-elect him a president, this happened. [ chanting stop the steal ] >> according to the international policy organization the eurasia group, the u.s. is now the leading exporter of tools that undermine democracy. the result of algorithms and social media platforms that rip at the fabric of civil society while maximizing profit, creating unprecedented political division, disruption, and dysfunction. that trend is accelerating fast.

not driven by governments but by a small collection of individuals with little understanding of the social and political impact of their actions. so it should come as no surprise that the u.s. far right extremism contagion is spreading around the world. over the weekend, this is what supporters of trump's friend and super fan bolsonaro did. >> protesting october's election results. supporters of bolsonaro unwilling to accept his defeat to lula da silva, known as lula. >> today, lula da silva, the duly-elected president who defeated bolsonaro denounced those people, calling them fascist fanatics. and took legal measures to punish them. the leader of bolsonaro's own party called the attack an embarrassment. the white house said president biden spoke by phone with

president lula, condemning the violence and inviting the brazilian leader to washington next month. meanwhile, bolsonaro is in donald trump and ron desantis' florida, living it up and hitting up publix and kfc. according to his wife, he's now reportedly in the hospital. much like trump, he's been spending his free time raising doubts about the integrity of the election from the comfort of his florida compound. and joining me now is eugene robinson, "washington post" columnist and kurt bardella, democratic strategist and former spokesman for the house oversight committee. eugene, i want to start with you. when i saw the visuals of what happened in brazil over the weekend with these mobs of people attacking the supreme court building, their version of the congress, and even the presidential palace, it looked exactly like january 6th. and then it turns occupant, oh, wait, it was exactly like january 6th. your thoughts. >> it was. it was exactly like january 6th.

the only difference was that fortunately, you know, congress was not in session. it was a sunday. the president was not there. lula was actually in sao paulo at the time. many miles away. but what we see there is exactly a carbon copy of january 6th. you can draw a straight line from january 6th to what happened on sunday. i spent a lot of time in brasilia. i know exactly where this happened. this is shocking to see the desecration of these buildings that are held in as high of regard by brazilians as our capital is held in the united states. they're also masterpieces of modern architecture, but it is

stunning and we can talk about every aspect of this. we can talk about how social media helped organize it, which is starting to come out in the brazilian press, but you know, bolsonaro is donald trump's mini me. that's what he was all along. his techniques were donald trump's techniques, his rhetoric was trump's rhetoric. and the result of his loss is the same as the result of donald trump's loss. >> and you know, to bring you in, kurt, it's the same -- even to the point where there's a florida nexus. you know, to it, this is where bolsonaro fled. it's become the read-out of people with this kind of fascist affinity, florida has become like a magnet for it. including the fact that and including the fact that one of the kind of fringe players in this, just like with donald trump, is steve bannon. who has been trying to market

this kind of fascist anti-democratic right wing, you know, kind of idea all around the world. let me play you what eduardo bolsonaro, the son of jair bolsonaro, he tweeted this video, and it's a video of steve bannon talking about what happened. i don't know if we have the video. let me read it to you. look in the streets of brazil at the great patriots of brazil and in a lot of danger to themselves have come forward and are in the streets of brazil. this is the people saying no, you use the machine, same thing as trump said. the judiciary to shut us down and the media and we will be interesting to see how it plays out. stephen miller is also advising the bolsonaros. your thoughts. >> yeah, it's not an accident or even a surprise that after the election in brazil, bannon was out there undermining the integrity of that election. and the same almost carbon copy

rhetoric he used after our 2020 election, calling into question the legitimacy, calling into question the voting machines that were used in the brazil election. he met with the son at mar-a-lago. and i just want to remind everybody that none of this -- steve bannon himself said, quote, lenon wanted to destroy the state, and that's my goal, too. he is a self-described leninist. what he wants is anarchy. what he wants is violence. what he wants is to tear down the pillars of any government establishment, not just in the united states of america but anywhere in the world. he wants it to spread, and that's what's happening and it's not an accident that these bad actors take their cues, learn the lesson from steve bannon, from donald trump, from the extremists in the republican party, in this country, and they're trying to duplicate that elsewhere. >> you know, and eugene, it is -- go on. >> i was going to say, let's point out that in both cases, in

both the united states and in brazil, this attempt to delegitimize the election started before the election. the claims if i lose, it is rigged. bolsonaro made the same claim that donald trump made. >> well, right, and eugene, i wanted you to sort of zoom it out a little bit. steve bannon, who many people didn't pay much attention to when he was the head of breitbart, saying he was going to make it the home of the alt-right, which is the new version of the racist right. they redefined what used to be ku klux klannism. no one paid much attention to him, but he has been running all over europe trying to sell this idea. selling it as brexit, selling it in this country, selling it in places. so he's been kind of hawking this brand globally, and there are pieces of it whether it's in hungry or brazil or the u.s., it's a contagion spreading around the world.

>> it's a contagion and affecting it country in different ways. the far right in italy, the far right in sweden. it's happening a lot of places. and this populism, the playbook involves using sort of populist anger or stoking populist anger against things like immigration, against things like the system or, you know, those people who are somehow oppressing you. stoking grievance. and it's very effective. i mean, it is effective and it is a transnational phenomenon, and it's one that we need not only to pay attention to, but to actively work against because it is actively working against democracy. >> yeah, and you know, kurt, the fact that you now have bolsonaro holed up in the united states, in florida, which does then potentially if there's some sort of an extradition, if he is somehow legally implicated in

what happened, it does create kind of an international incident here, that then becomes bigger than just this joke of a former president whining and eating kfc in florida. so if you could talk just a little bit, i mean, the florida is also a piece of it. this has become a movement that is emanating from the united states. it's not just coming to the united states. >> yeah. apparently, this kind of brand of domestic terrorism is an export of the united states, and an export of the republican party. there's a reason why the hide-away, the hide-out for some of these bad actors is to go to rob desantis' and donald trump's florida. that tells you why they have chosen florida and mar-a-lago as a safe haven. at this point, mar-a-lago is nothing more than just a front for a criminal enterprise designed to undermine democracy worldwide. that's what's happening right now. >> it is. and it's frightening.

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in case you missed the drama over the weekend, kevin mccarthy finally wrested control of the house speaker's gavel after 15 votes. giving up the store to far right holdouts to get there. after a week of republicans proving they are not fit to govern, as we speak they're dealing with the basics of organizing congress. just moments ago, passing a new house rules package for maga extremists. it includes a new rule allowing one member to force a vote of no confidence in the speaker. along with steep spending cuts and changes to rules on raising the dent limit. all of which mccarthy promised in order to win over the far right holdouts. meanwhile, the investigations that republicans are preparing to launch are equally disturbing. among them, what could only be called a kangaroo court that will soon target the department of justice and the fbi, the president's son, hunter biden, and judiciary subcommittee on, quote, weaponization of the federal government. the proposed panel chaired by jim jordan would be empowered to review, quote, ongoing criminal

investigation, presumably into donald trump's many alleged crimes but you have to wonder if one of them will be a future investigation into jim jordan. joining me now from the capitol is sahil kapur, nbc news senior national political reporter, and mara gillespie, former aide to congressman adam kinzinger and speaker john boehner. sahil, i want to start with you. this rules package is pretty draconian. not only allowing that one member to vote as a vote of no confidence, but also these cut as you go budget requirements and other things that are mainly seem to be targeting spending on social services. what went down and was it a unanimous vote on the republican side? >> not exactly a unanimous vote, joy. there was one republican, tony gonzalez of texas, who voted no. he had announced several days ago he would do that. he was the only republican who voted no. everyone else stuck with the caucus and voted yes on this package. and it passed by a vote of 220-213 with every democrat

voting no. there are two particularly notable things about this. it brings back the rule that any one member can force a motion to vacate the chair, also known as overthrowing the speaker of the house. this was a problem for republicans back in the days of speaker john boehner when the house ultimately got rid of it because it made it too difficult for the house to function, for a speaker to govern. this was the demand by the right-wing holdouts because they want to keep speaker mccarthy on a short leash and make sure he doesn't cross it with the demands. the second, you alluded to this, there are various budgetary restrictions on the package. it makes it harder to raise spending. and it most notably makes it harder to raise the debt limit by eliminated the end runs that congress has used in the past to protect members from tough votes. this is a major confrontation coming down the road because this is not an optional piece of legislation. it has to happen to prevent the catastrophic default that at the moment i can't quite figure out how the republican controlled house, you know, where these right-wing holdoccupants who

almost sunk speaker mccarthy's bid have so much influence can reconcile with the democratic controlled senate. but big picture, this was the easy part for speaker mccarthy, getting the votes to become speaker, passing therules resolution. what comes next is difficult. >> mara, this brings you into this conversation. matt gaetz said their goal was to put mccarthy in a straight jacket. they did that. because as you know very well, on the one hand, you worked for adam kinzinger. we're looking down the barrel of steep defense cuts. if they play this game the way they have laid it out, there could be very steep cuts to the defense department budget. some folks on the liberal side may be like go strong, do it. it's something you normally can't do. you're also talking about real questions whether ukraine funding will remain as it is. a lot of americans are not going to look well on that with all of

the crises, china, et cetera. on the other side, i watch enough lawrence o'donnell to know there's such a thing as a must-pass bill. if you default on the debt limit, we go into a deep, deep recession or worse. so how does kevin mccarthy manage to with a lot less skills than john boehner, pass a debt limit bill without getting recalled? >> i think that's the big question with this motion to vacate the chair as a weapon essentially looming over his head, especially with the debt ceiling, that's a real issue and unfortunately i think with a senate -- a democratic led senate and democratic white house, it will require a few moderate republicans likely to stand up and say, we will not let the full faith and credit of the government be threatened. again, i think a few members have talked about that. brian fitzpatrick has mentioned they would do a discharge petition should it come to that

scenario, but one thing i want mention, there are a lot of things that are concerning to say the least, but there are some positives that are worth mentioning. the end of proxy voting. i'm hope fell, maybe i'm being a super optimist, but it will allow members come back to washington, d.c. and build relationships. it's a lot easier to look on as you call and point to someone and say i won't work with that person or i disagree with them than it to to sit in a committee room and get to know them as a human and not an enemy. >> that's a good point. i mentioned defense spending. there have been a lot of liberal folks for a long time have said the defense department budget is bloated and should be cut, but if you're really committed to cutting spending, that's where a lot of the bulk is in the budget. talk a little bit about when you were experiencing working, specifically for speaker boehner, did you get the sense that tea party members who came in on this zeal to cut social

spending, to cut social security, to cut medicare, to cut medicaid, to cut food stamps, that they understood that there was an implication to that? or do you think that they cared about the implications of that, or cutting military spending? >> my personal opinion, i think a lot of these members come in because they have told their constituents they're going to cut everything. they don't think about the implications. a lot of members also come in and think they're going to run congress on day one. that's not reality because they don't understand how it works. they don't understand how to govern, let alone how to govern effectively. so back then, at the freedom caucus, and we had members who simply did things to go campaign off or go fund-raise off of. a lot of it doesn't come down to the nickel and diming of things because they don't actually look through the full picture of what those nickel and diming does to our economy, but also to our -- like you said, our programs, our defense spending, our ability to counter china's influence, our ability to support allies like

ukraine. they're not thinking through in a full picture. >> yeah, and you know, sahil, here's the irony. there's a lot of complaint in the republican party about the border, for instance. but if you're really going to fix the border issue, that would mean more spending because you need to spend more on foreign aid, assisting the governments of places like guatemala and honduras to stand up their economy so people won't need to leave. there's things you need to do that cost money. i wonder if there are conversations that you are hearing from members either on the democratic side or the republican side of whether these hard line members are going to be allowed to stop the rest of the party from doing anything, because it sounds as if they just want to bring the whole body to a halt and investigate hunter biden? >> well, joy, there are mechanisms even in this new republican house with these new rules where the house could theoretically raise spending. they would have to cut other things. the problem is it's very, very difficult to do that at this point in the way the democratic

senate can accept, in a way that president biden can sign into law. this is where i think speaker mccarthy is going to be the most hamstrung, even if there is an issue like i believe immigration and the border is where republicans have some political advantages they can try to exploit with a democratic controlled senate, especially ahead of a very difficult 2024 election. they're going to have to do it in a way where they compromise some as well because they simply can't get everything they want in this house, and last or rather in this congress with joe biden as president, and last weekend, it showed two very important things. it showed that the 20 most conservative members of the house republican caucus are willing to stand on the floor and humiliate their own party's leadership, and it also showed that the most moderate members of the house conference are not going to stand up and object to it. you didn't hear anybody ultimately accept tony gonzalez stand up and say we're not going to accept these concessions if you give them everything they want, you're going to lose us. it didn't happen. there isn't that same mentality to flex power on the moderate

end of the republican conference. that will be a dynamic going forward because yes, members like brian fitzpatrick do think the debt limit has to be raised. the question is how are they able to do it if they're not willing to put the screws to the right flank the way the right flank is to them. >> mara, i'm going to give you the last word on this. you have marjorie taylor greene who styles herself in style of the house, tweeting out like dr. dre music and smacked down by dr. dre saying get your music out your tweets. it wasn't as bad, but it seems like it's gotten worse, that it's all performative. what these members see as their job is to get on fox news, to own the libs, to tweet things, and that they really don't think about actual legislating? >> i would say yes. i think, you know, obviously with our caucus of rabble-rousers and as john

boehner called them, the chaos caucus, it was different then. it wasn't that extreme where you have people now running on platforms simply to be famous for being an antagonist. that's what they ran on and that's something we haven't seen before. we're dealing with a whole new breed of chaos, but the goals are the same, to obstruct the work of the house, and say it's for the benefit of the american people, but it's not. it's for them. >> and the new other new wrinkle is these are people who some of whom engaged in insurrection and tried to overthrow the government, and now what they got for that is more power. it is a wild time to be alive. this simulation is just all mesed up. thank you both for being here. >> coming up, still ahead, under pressure to do something, president biden visits the southern border after announcing controversial new measures aimed at addressing an historic surge in migration. stay with us. [coughing] hi, susan. honey.

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summit with justin trudeau. immigration is certainly to be a hot topic with president biden fresh from his visit to the border. his first as president in el paso, texas, yesterday after instituting new restrictions on asylum seekers. the president toured border enforcement operations and met with community leaders but notably he did not meet with any migrants. two administration officials say that's because there weren't any at the center he visited. nbc news spoke to migrants outside a church a short drive away from the center. biden's visit comes amid a right wing campaign to attack him as weak on the border, when he arrived, texas governor greg abbott handed biden a letter demanded further action. and house republicans have already promised to investigate the border and to impeach homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. that republican rhetoric is driven by their fear of demographic change. democrats have a history of being way too reactive to it. it's what earned president obama the nickname deporter in chief. joining me is former republican

congressman carlos kerr bailo of florida, and maria teresa kumar. friends of the show, both. thank you for being here. i want to start with you first, carlos, and ask you how as a republican you read this. right now, we have a major shortage of workers in this country. there are 10 million jobs available, and only 6 million people who are unemployed. not all of whom are necessarily looking to work, particularly in the fields that need them the most. a lot of service industry jobs. et cetera. contrast that with canada, that has a similar demographic problem, an older population, a need for workers. you know what they're doing, the opposite? they're begging for labor. saying please, please come here. we need people with job skills. please come here. meanwhile, republicans here, they love to talk about the border and get mad at biden, but they don't want to do anything to actually increase the amount of people who are able to come

and help to fill in some of these jobs. why is that? >> well, joy, i think you're absolutely right. what we need is immigration reform that modernizes our immigration laws, modernizes our immigration system so it's compatible, consistent with the needs of our economy. that's what the solution is. and of course, i think we have to invest more in border security. i mean, most americans don't think that anyone who shows up at the border with an asylum claim should just be processed into the country, but this isn't as simple as yelling about border security or impeaching a government official. you actually have to propose solutions that are going to solve the problem. one of them is modernizing our immigration system. another one is investing more in latin america, so that there's opportunity, jobs for people in their countries, which by the way, provides opportunities for u.s. exporters. so we can export products to those countries. those are the solutions that people should be talking about. but republicans and in some

cases to be fair, democrats in the past, have favored the politics of immigration over the solutions for immigration. >> well, let me -- let's draw that out a little bit, because you know, one of the challenges democrats have had is that the part of what carlos just said, i think is absolutely true. you need a solution that would involve spending some money, which of course, the far right wing part of the republican party doesn't want to spend money on anything, and you would have to do foreign investment and complex things like that. democrats seem to understand that, and president biden ended up doing daca because he couldn't even get a bill that would allow dreamers which is the most popular group of migrants, period, to come in. but on the democratic side now, these are their challenges. they respond to the rhetoric of you're weak on the border, weak at the border, by only focusing on the security aspect and saying look, see, we'll deport more people. look, see, we'll double down on

the harshness of keeping people out. and then they get nothing for it. >> this is the challenge, joy. remember back when, when the gang of eight that included marco rubio, and it included lindsey graham and was led by both schumer and mccain, it was a bipartisan deal, and the crux of it was, how do we deal with the undocumented 11 million people who are living within our borders? and somehow, the democrats went in and negotiated and that's why president obama got deporter in chief because he went and negotiated around security before actually having anything in hand. and that's been a long time criticism. and our biggest problem right now when it comes to this policy is we have to divorce two very different issues. we still have 11 million people living inside the united states that have 60 million americans, loved ones, they have been part of our communities for a long time. no one talks about it anymore. what we do talk about is the crisis at the border, not recognizing that that is a

broader international issue. that is a western hemispheric issue that has as a result of the covid pandemic, it's a result of the narco trafficking, and it's a result of climate change. and unless we get our ducks in order and it's great that president biden is meeting with mexican president and prime minister trudeau, excellent because it's a northern hemisphere issue, but we have to decouple it. the republicans are going to have to get their big boys pants on and decide this is what is going to be good for the country. the idea that we as a nation have a right to secure our borders, but we also have to have an honest conversation. what are those future immigration flows that are going to buttress our economy. canada has figured it out. i was in canada around thanksgiving and the amount of migrants i saw that had work visas in hand, that were getting integrated into the community, that were learning either french because they were in montreal or ottawa learning english was a remarkably different tactic than

what we're doing. we have to recognize we need a robust immigration group of people coming. we need to figure out the asylum process and remember there are 11 million people who pay our taxes that are part of the essentially workers that made sure we were able to thrive as a country. >> and carlos, they have the same issue in britain. it caused brexit. this anxiety about new people in this country. you have people on another network that are openly talking about the great replacement, a very racist theory directly about people who look like y'all and me coming in and people fearing that that's going to change the demographics of the country. are there republicans left that have the courage to stand up to fox news, quite frankly, the sort of entertainment political complex on the right, and actually work with democrats to pass something? because it feels like in the next two years there aren't, but i would be happy if you told me there are. >> there are some, joy. i think in the senate, for sure, you will have republicans who are willing to work with democrats, have worked with democrats in the past. lindsey graham has worked with

dick durbin over the years. he's still there and i think he would still be interested in an immigration solution. in the house, maria salazar of south florida has proposed a bill that she thinks could get democratic support, especially in this congress, where democrats are in the minority. but it's few and far between. and the bottom line is that republican leadership is afraid of this issue. republican leadership forced us to file a discharge petition in 2018 just to have a debate and votes on the floor on immigration. so that's a big obstacle. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. i would love for you to come back. this is going to be an issue for a while. thank you both very much. >> up next, heading down to the sunshine state where school shootings are not a priority, but putting a stop to the dirty diversity and inclusion programs, that sure as heck is. we'll be right back. did you know you can get discounts on your meds even if you don't have a medicare prescription drug plan? it's true.

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american education is at a kreis point. the national assessment of educational progress known as the nation's report card showed historic declined in reading and math. and that mass scores for eighth graders fell in nearly every state. the results an indictment of the pandemic's devastating impact on school children, especially those in public education. a system that was already in crisis from lack of funding to

underpaid teachers to the rich/poor divide. then there's the issue of health and safety, where the u.s. is woefully behind. gun violence and school shootings are a uniquely american epidemic. because here and only here do lawmakers propose metal detectors and arming teachers rather than, let's say, laws to keep an ar-15 out of dangerous hands. which is why it is terrifying to go to school in a lot of states. the threat feels ubiquitous. a permanent wound for survivors and communities like those children in uvalde and their parents who are still grappling with the horror of a gunman killing fourth graders. it took just six days for the country to register its first school shooting of 2023. in newport news, virginia, where a first grader obtained a gun, brought it to school, and opened fire on his teacher. a 6-year-old, not the victim this time, but the shooter. the fact that a 6-year-old can

get a gun, much less know how to shoot it, in what police described as not an accidental shooting, sums up how bad things are in america, how broken. only in america must the purpose of learning fractions or the alphabet coexist with the goal of staying alive. you would think every american governor would see both gun violence and education as urgent crises. instead, some of them in red states are more concerned about whether a 6-year-old has two dads or whether a family friendly drag queen show will scar kids for life. spoiler alert, they won't. they are fixated on stopping mask mandates and stoking the culture war in schools. like virginia governor glenn youngkin who is obsessed with rewriting k-12 history curriculum so that white people don't feel bad about slavery. and whose state is where this recent shooting in virginia tech happened or texas governor greg abbott who called for abuse

investigations into the use of gender affirming care for trans youth and whose state is where uvalde happened, and then of course, there's florida. where parkland happened, but where woke goes to die perits governor. and by woke, that means anything ron desantis doesn't like, whether it's vaccines or the gay youth he wants to stamp out of existence or discussions about race and classrooms that don't make white folks look like heroes. what's up with ron telling people how to speak and what to think, by the way? and now, florida's supreme ruler who god made a fighter per his self-lionizing adds is taking it to a new level. turns out it's not about the children. how the bogeyman skipped ahead to college. that is next.

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desantis began his second term as florida governor, and he is already ratcheting up his don't say say gate anti woke bill. now setting his sights on the states colleges and universities. over the weekend, desantis appointed six hard-line conservative loyalists to the board of trustees at new college, a small florida liberal arts school, including right-wing activist christopher rueful, who you might remember from his interview on this show, and who helped lead the charge to demonize the term, critical race theory on a national level. he also just so happened to tweet, just two days before his appointed, governor desantis is

going to lay siege to university diversity, equity and inclusion programs. it comes just days after the desantis administration sent a memo to all florida state schools, demanding that they provide a comprehensive list of all staff, programs, and campus activities related to diversity, equity, and inclusion, and critical race theory. joining me now, florida state senator shevrin jones, who serves on the florida senate education committee. and shevrin, you alerted me first to this letter. what are the implications of this letter? because it sounds like the idea is to scare universities away from having anything on diversity, equity, and inclusion? >> that's exactly what it is, joy. it's also a way to create confusion within our university systems. you look at some -- some of the professors and some of the administrators. professors are pulling out of teaching classes on gender identity. there are no longer teaching classes on race because they don't know what direction this

information is looking for. this is just a preview of what this next and legislative session would be like. a number of days, those culture wars, continue to demonize and go after people who don't agree with them. now, it's our colleges and universities. and i remind you, if this is the government office planning to go down, then this which is not going to be that simple. because many of these programs at schools are tied to federal dollars, and play vital roles and our colleges and universities. so, it's more than just talk about quality in our workplaces. some of the programs have very important implications, like ensuring their university is following the american disability accommodations on their campuses, or even handling those complaints on gender discrimination. so, these implications that the governor's office are not taking to consideration, and they just continue with the culture wars that they've been doing for the last 2 to 3 years. >> and remember, christopher ruffo, he is hell-bent on ending diversity and inclusion

in workplaces and schools. let me read you a bit of this republican report, muzzled by desantis critical race -- jonathan cox was scheduled to teach two classes this past semester in the university of central florida. they would explore colour-blind racism. but they worry that the stop woke act would effectively ban him from discussing those ideas in class. teaching echoes course would cost him his livelihood, he's the only black professor in the sociology department, and would not be considered for tenure in the fall. visalli was the families only and come. while his wife stayed home with their baby. it didn't seem like it was worth the risk. somebody who is not even in that class could come after me. somebody sees the course catalog, complains to a legislator. next thing i know, i'm out of a job. it sounds like the description of the old soviet union. you are worried that your neighbor, or someone in the class could tell on you. and as somebody who used to teach race, gender and media in syracuse and at howard university, you know, that would be illegal, i guess, now in florida. >> well, joy, i'll be honest with you. i have visited all the 12

schools in florida last year where i got to the education community. and a lot of these precedents spoke very highly of our high education system, and many of them said, you know what, we're not indoctrinating students here in this institution. but they've already been a decline in proportional professors protected by tenure, meaning that most faculty members are not in a position to secure enough to resist political pressure, and like you said, their muscles about what they say, scared because they don't know. and they run the risk of losing their jobs. but this is what they want to do. they want to fearmonger. they want to muzzle teachers, so that they can create this confusion, and they can continue to push what they're trying to push here in the state of florida. >> and, you know, desantis claimed this was all about not having third graders learn about sexuality or sex and class. but this is not targeting third graders. this is basically going all the way from kindergarten all the way through university, and saying that in florida, there will be no discussion of race, no discussion of gender

identity, nothing. it will be this right-wing christian identity, enforced upon students, as an ideology. and the state of florida's education ain't great. florida ranked 33rd, 34th, and 31st in eighth grade. it ranked 64th and third among fourth graders for matt. it's scorers in education in gray. >> our scores are not good at all. our students have progressed in math, especially after the pandemic. we shouldn't be, we should be focusing more on them. we should be focusing on how to bring our students to read with proficiency, understand matt with proficiency. but they rather continue down this buzzword campaign about -- >> you know what else they can do? >> yeah -- >> or making sure they don't get shot while they're in class. thank you so much -- it will be nice, too, he doesn't care about that either. thank you, state senator shevrin jones or florida. that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now.